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#34262 - 01/20/10 08:29 AM The Black House souvenirs?
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Several years back, on ebay, you would see remnants of the Black House popping up for sale.... apparently, people would break in to the board up property to take light fixtures, door knobs, pieces of wood, pieces of the fire place and anything they could....

Anyone have any Black House remnants??? I also know that a lot of the stuff inside, ending up just being thrown out when Barton and crew moved out... any chance?

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#34285 - 01/20/10 07:01 PM Genuine Purple Room purple wood! [Re: 111Cal]
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I sense a great new business opportunity here ... "Fragments of the true Baphomet", etc.
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#34291 - 01/20/10 08:15 PM Re: Genuine Purple Room purple wood! [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Jesus H Christ on a Spike, what the fuck 111cal?

I mean really, get over it. It sounds like you are just jonesing for a LaVey/Satan drug fix.

Between this shit and your gossip and comments about Karla do you have anything of substance to add to this site.

I am honestly just tired of it, if you need an Anton fix so bad go try to meet Blanche and date her. Its probably the closest you can get to Anton, aside from sniffing ashes. *

Morgan

*(Side note, I do not endorce sniffing ashes, and I don't even know where such ashes would be, if they even exist in one place.)



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#34292 - 01/20/10 08:31 PM Re: Genuine Purple Room purple wood! [Re: Morgan]
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Damn, Morg....

I mean, cut the guys balls off... make him eat prunes... give him roid the size of Volkswagons. But don't make him date Blanche!!!!
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#34296 - 01/20/10 09:21 PM Re: The Black House souvenirs? [Re: 111Cal]
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Ok, well now that you mention it, I just so happen to have a piece of the siding from the "Black House" in question. For a couple of thousand dollars, I just might be willing to part with it. I will even send you a hand signed certificate of authenticity, and swear on the bible that it's real.

Any offers??

Ummmm and also, I have two door knobs, a rusty nail, and a floor plank. Those I would part for only a couple of hundred bucks.


Edited by Asmedious (01/20/10 09:22 PM)
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#34316 - 01/21/10 08:53 AM Re: Genuine Purple Room purple wood! [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
Jesus H Christ on a Spike, what the fuck 111cal?

I mean really, get over it. It sounds like you are just jonesing for a LaVey/Satan drug fix.

Between this shit and your gossip and comments about Karla do you have anything of substance to add to this site.

I am honestly just tired of it, if you need an Anton fix so bad go try to meet Blanche and date her. Its probably the closest you can get to Anton, aside from sniffing ashes. *

Morgan

*(Side note, I do not endorce sniffing ashes, and I don't even know where such ashes would be, if they even exist in one place.)





Morgan, I am sorry u r so angered by my statements. If they are going to be that upsetting to you, perhaps you should simply not read them?

I think its a perfectly viable question. For instance--- I have a friend who has has a huge piece of flooring from the Black House that he made into an art piece. Since we all know that 90% of the House and a lot of the contents went to the dumpsters, it is only logical to assume that people kept souvenirs.

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#34363 - 01/22/10 12:03 AM Re: Genuine Purple Room purple wood! [Re: 111Cal]
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I think Morgan makes a good point. 90% of your posts involve you vulturing over details of the LaVey family's personal business like some sort of garbage picking paparazzi. I for one find your behavior a little slimy and completely lacking in any sort of couth or tact. I am left wondering if you have some sort of ulterior motive for this or if you are just an annoying gossip monger.

Seriously dude, nobody cares. Do you have anything ELSE to contribute here?
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#34364 - 01/22/10 12:11 AM Re: Genuine Purple Room purple wood! [Re: 111Cal]
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 Originally Posted By: 111Cal
Since we all know that 90% of the House and a lot of the contents went to the dumpsters, it is only logical to assume that people kept souvenirs.

Assuming something is an exercise in faith not logic. If 90% made it to the dumpster than it is logical to assume 90% is in a landfill somewhere. It is also more logical to assume the 90% claim is sheer speculation and incorrect.

 Originally Posted By: 111Cal
For instance--- I have a friend who has has a huge piece of flooring from the Black House that he made into an art piece.

You say your friend has a piece of flooring from LaVey’s home, since you brought it up the burden of proof lies with you. Without proof all we have here is verbal masturbation and hearsay.

If I were interested in such an object I would first ask, what empirical evidence do you have to back up this claim? To flip that thought, what proof would you ask for such a piece?

I once heard of a guitar that was made from the wood from the original shack Muddy Waters was born in. Only a serious FAN or FOLLOWER would consider such a thing to have any true value.

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#34378 - 01/22/10 06:59 AM Performing Cranial surgery [Re: 111Cal]
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I think its a perfectly viable question. For instance--- I have a friend who has has a huge piece of flooring from the Black House that he made into an art piece.

And I have one of his instruments and made a shisha out of it "blasphemical smoke". Do you believe me?
You better not so, neither do you have to belief that friend of yours.

Are you some kind of freakish collector? Do you think you can gain "dark powers" by owning some collectibles or authentic memorablia?
Get real, the memorablia you are searching for is no more different then the same stuff you buy in your first grocery store. The piece of flooring your friend claims to have made into an art piece is no more different than the flooring at my house or any other house.
You are giving it too much symbolic credit. If you really have an admiration for things linked with Satanism then better start reading his books and start living it.

And better think about the things Morgan said...

On the other hand, I just might start a Satanic gift shop if there are more such lunatics..


Edited by Dimitri (01/22/10 07:03 AM)
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#34381 - 01/22/10 07:22 AM Re: Performing Cranial surgery [Re: Dimitri]
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Memorabilia is a valid market. The person I know is a full time artist and also has photos of himself and a friend removing the wood in question from the Black House. So its verifiable.

Does it have any real worth? I suppose not. However it is interesting and unique. Much like someone I know who collects 1930/40s movie items and has a trenchcoat owned by Errol Flynn. OF COURSE, you can get a coat anyplace, but to him, its a big deal.

People collect all sorts of items, and this would be no different.

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#36464 - 03/15/10 11:23 AM Re: Performing cranial surgery would be worthless. [Re: 111Cal]
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 Originally Posted By: 111Cal
The person I know is a full time artist and also has photos of himself and a friend removing the wood in question from the Black House. So its verifiable.


If I were to assume that you aren't fibbing,am I also to assume that your idiot friends are photogenic felons?

If it's verifiable,then verify.

I have one of Aleister Crowleys' cockrings I'm willing to trade... ....
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#36479 - 03/15/10 03:49 PM Re: Performing cranial surgery would be worthless. [Re: CanisMajor]
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This member has not been online since 1-29-10. They made 62 posts in the 35 days they were active here. Those who contribute such usually burn out and disappear quickly. Consider this and the fact that he was getting called out for his behavior, I doubt you will be getting a reply anytime soon.

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#36524 - 03/16/10 08:53 AM Re: Performing cranial surgery would be worthless. [Re: ta2zz]
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Actually I am still around! As for being Felons??? Come now... the Black House was being destroyed and an important part of history was going to a landfill. I know for a fact that MANY MANY MANY people went into the black house between when it was vacated and when it was demolished... u can look on youtube for home videos of people who went in... and anyone who "stole" something that was going to be destroyed anyway is not a criminal in my book.

As for being "called out" for asking? I think not. It is true that many many people do NOT see the value in sentiment... there are just as many who do. I know firsthand that many "well know" satanists (if u can call them that) have items that were LaVeys... and if u check ebay from time to time, you will see that basically 99.99% of everything that Zeena and Nikolas got was sold to auction houses to dump! (I think right now there are some old checks of LaVeys that they either cleaned out and took or got in the settlement that are for sale on ebay)

I didnt mean to ruffle any feathers, was just asking to see.

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#36556 - 03/16/10 01:11 PM Re: Vultures! [Re: 111Cal]
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 Originally Posted By: 111Cal
As for being Felons??? Come now... the Black House was being destroyed and an important part of history was going to a landfill. I know for a fact that MANY MANY MANY people went into the black house between when it was vacated and when it was demolished... u can look on youtube for home videos of people who went in... and anyone who "stole" something that was going to be destroyed anyway is not a criminal in my book....

As for being "called out" for asking? I think not. It is true that many many people do NOT see the value in sentiment...


You're right. Unless they stole something valued over $400,according to California Penal Code they would just be Misdemeanor crimes.

They broke into a home that they did not own,trespassing on property they did not own,to take things that do not belong to them. Very admirable.

I suppose you wouldn't have had a problem with rooting through the Doktors' garbage,either.
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I stick to my original analysis. Your friends are idiots.

We are known,indeed,by the company we keep.



Edited by CanisMajor (03/16/10 01:14 PM)
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#36558 - 03/16/10 01:18 PM Re: Vultures! [Re: CanisMajor]
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If it makes you feel better to call me names, then I am happy for you.

Let me ask this... Is it better that it ends up in the Garbage????

For instance, we all know LaVey did a lot of work to the house... decorating wise... light fixtures, painting, tiling. These are momentos of a bygone era and a great mans life.

I do not advocate trespassing in the slightest, however in this instance... we are talking about a time when the "heirs" had allready taken what they wanted. The house was going to be demolished and disposed of... so If someone removed a light fixture, or a pane of glass, or a railing or such and preserved it... is that somehow hurting someone???

Isnt that preferable to having it in a landfill somewhere?

As for Miss Bartons "personal items" that is just being inane. Noone would take such an item, and you well know it. What I was refering to were those who had a valid respect for LaVey and wanted a momento from an important piece of history before it was destroyed forever. (and if I were to name drop some of the people who "aquired" things from the Black House... you would be suprised)

I for one would rather know that a small piece of the Black House lives in say... as part of a piece of art in someones collection, or to know that a light from the Black House is now part of someones home, treated with respect, or that wood from the Black House has been reworked into a display... then to think of it in a dump someplace....

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#36561 - 03/16/10 01:24 PM Re: Vultures! [Re: CanisMajor]
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A friend of mine went to Boston and brought me back a brick from the walkway outside of Paul Revere's house. To me, it is just a brick and holds no real value other than as an interesting conversation piece. The right person might pay a pretty penny for it but seeing as how my friend risked his virgin asshole to get this souvenir for lil ol' me I am going to keep it for myself.

I would agree that since the stuff was going to be destroyed anyway there was no crime committed. Still seems kind of strange to me though. But if such things have value to you and you can get your hands on them then go for it.
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#36564 - 03/16/10 01:29 PM Re: Vultures! [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Thank you for at least seeing my point. (although taking a brick from Reveres house is most likely a serious offense! LOL)

I have a friend who returned from Germany with many, many pieces of block from the ruins of Hitlers Berghof. And another friend of mine has a huge section of carpet from Graceland (that had to be removed and replaced due to damage)

It is just odd that some people get so up in arms, over anyone having an interest in LaVey collectables the same way.

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#36792 - 03/20/10 03:00 AM Re: Vultures! [Re: 111Cal]
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 Originally Posted By: 111Cal

It is just odd that some people get so up in arms, over anyone having an interest in LaVey collectables the same way.


That's certainly NOT the point.

Many of your posts portray a gossipy,paparazzi mentality. Sadly enough,you're not going to see Mr. LaVey on TMZ any time soon.

I don't consider anybodys' personal checks "collectables",nor would I consider defacing monuments to obtain a "souvenir". Regardless of what "everybody else" is doing on ebay.

Who knows? I could be wrong.You may be able to turn a quick buck selling your "collectible art"(?) to Magi Gilmores' Sycophant Society!

More carrion,anyone?


Edited by CanisMajor (03/20/10 03:04 AM)
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#36797 - 03/20/10 11:10 AM Re: Vultures! [Re: 111Cal]
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And another friend of mine has a huge section of carpet from Graceland (that had to be removed and replaced due to damage)


That's something that I would love to have since I'm a big Elvis fan. Hell I'd spend a years salary on the toilet seat he used.

I'm one of those that likes unique collectible items. For instance I spent $25 bucks (not on Ebay) on a 1 inch piece of brick that supposedly came from the fire place of the house where Sharon Tate was murdered. I wouldn't mind owning something "interesting" that once belonged to Dr. LaVey either, but not something like a chunk of wood from the Black House. Maybe a painting or something.
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#36798 - 03/20/10 01:34 PM Re: Vultures! [Re: CanisMajor]
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 Originally Posted By: CanisMajor
 Originally Posted By: 111Cal

It is just odd that some people get so up in arms, over anyone having an interest in LaVey collectables the same way.


That's certainly NOT the point.

Many of your posts portray a gossipy,paparazzi mentality. Sadly enough,you're not going to see Mr. LaVey on TMZ any time soon.

I don't consider anybodys' personal checks "collectables",nor would I consider defacing monuments to obtain a "souvenir". Regardless of what "everybody else" is doing on ebay.



1. Personal checks have for ages been a legit collectible. The LAVEY check is on ebay now for $750. and its one that Zeena and Nikolas sold (with about 99% of all else they got from his estate, will or by going through the house and hauling off what they could after Barton moved out!). A simple search of ANY auction site, collectors circle or fan club will reveal millions of such items... checks from Elvis, Reagan, Tiny Tim and on and on... LaVeys are no different.

*** MY only issue with those type of auctions is that I hate to see Mr and Mrs Schreck profit from LaVey since they both spent the last years of his life, attacking him on every level at every chance they got. And ALL parties agree that LaVey wanted Zeena to receive NOTHING after he was gone... and its a shame that it seems they ended up taking the majority of the items that were either left behind or not awarded to others in the settlment.

2. and while i would not advocate taking a brick from a protected monument--- that is a lot different than taking a brick from a site that is either A. going to be torn down and destroyed (Like the Black House was... OR for that matter any number of other Famous sites that are now long gone!) You can find many collectors with pieces of the Berlin Wall or other sites. or B. Neglected sites such as Hitlers Berghof ruins that are slowly crumbling to nothing....

In fact, I would argue that taking from these sites and preserving them is 10000X better than letting them be forgotten.

You OBVIOUSLY disagree with me, and that is your right and I can respect that. However I do not see the point in stating it repeatedly.


Edited by 111Cal (03/20/10 01:41 PM)

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#36800 - 03/20/10 01:38 PM Re: Vultures! [Re: Asmedious]
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And another friend of mine has a huge section of carpet from Graceland (that had to be removed and replaced due to damage)


That's something that I would love to have since I'm a big Elvis fan. Hell I'd spend a years salary on the toilet seat he used.

I'm one of those that likes unique collectible items. For instance I spent $25 bucks (not on Ebay) on a 1 inch piece of brick that supposedly came from the fire place of the house where Sharon Tate was murdered. I wouldn't mind owning something "interesting" that once belonged to Dr. LaVey either, but not something like a chunk of wood from the Black House. Maybe a painting or something.


You are right in many ways! I know people who collect Manson items who have gone out to Abandoned sites (like Spahn or Barker ranch) and brought back whatever items they could find. I also know people who have paid high dollar for carpet that was removed from Graceland. As for LaVey items... The wood from the black house was taken, simply because there was so much of it. It was the easiest item to aquire after the Black House was demolished and also the easiest to reuse in artwork. It is not something I would have jumped at, but for an artist who is using wood for some sort of Satanic themed piece--- I can understand the concept of taking some of the discarded wood and giving it "new life".

LaVey artwork is very hard to come by. The majority of it still belongs to either the LaVey family or Blanche Barton. I do know that Dr. LaVey made little doodles and cartoons on occasion and sent them out with greeting cards or sometimes in letters and I do know a few people who knew LaVey and still have some of those. But to find one "for sale" is near impossible. I had seen that Aes-Nihil is offering some high priced prints of some of the artwork that Diane and Stanton LaVey had exhibited last year. You might google it and find out those prices and availability.

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