#34525 - 01/25/10 08:49 AM
Re: speciesism the NEW sexism
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Jake999
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It depends where and when a person is at any given time.
In populated areas, yes. Man is on top of the food chain. You don't see many polar bears, tigers or lions walking around in New York or Boston, London or Paris. Man is indeed king.
A man on the Serengeti plain walking without a high powered weapon has another name. LUNCH. And the lion that eats his balls for an appetizer really doesn't care any more about "speciesism" when eating a man than he does when he eats a jackal, a water buffalo, or even another lion. Same thing in other parts of the world... including Australia. There are places there, like in the Northern Territory, where, while you might love and respect them, the Saltwater Crocs don't care if you're man or beast. Or sharks off the coast.
Man was simply successful enough to breed into superiority and have tools to make him more dangerous than another predator on the chain. Hell, we'll eat our own if we need to... and have proven that amply in the past.
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#34526 - 01/25/10 08:54 AM
Re: speciesism the NEW sexism
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Dimitri
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the fact that speciesism means that you hold your own species (human) higher than any other creature (everything else living on this planet).
And the problem is?
The human specie is the most successful one during the last centuries. Our specie managed to alter his environnement in such a way that it (almost) provides us our daily needs and cravings.
The law of survival of the fittest is still present, yet due to our intelligence is limited towards production (genetic codes and the possible mutations who might be good or bad).
We might consider ourselves on top of the food chain, and we have the right to do so. Naturally it should also be mentioned that a human alone without his technology and general knowledge about his environnement is as defenseless as a big fish in a very small pond crowded on the side by bears. ( A reason why I like survival ism). Neverless...
that wont be such a problem since the food chain is in order, but seening though that humans have no place on the food chain execpt eat , kill and wear evering beond its means, well it explains that we are the worst of all we have no excuse..... so anouther flaw in the humanity system,
Humans have their place on the food-chain. We can still be defeated by bacteria, insects and many other predators. As a science student, and to be more exact my biologist side, I hate to read such a stupid assumption that the human specie is the top-predator in the food-chain/web. ( We are ranked "high" in it, that's true, yet there is no THE). It is natural that an individual from a specie gets eaten or killed by something "below" him, it's the general sum that counts.
I should also add that the foodchain/web varies from environment to environment and from specie to specie. It is the total sum op weaponary and general influence/power of the specie that counts and not a few individuals.
I can see no problem in glorifying the human specie, at the extend that there are no bold claims as you came to say. And after all, we are the most successful, the fact that I can eat anything I want (which is edible) pretty much sums it up.
Btw: Since when did the rules about grammar change? Read the rules of this forum... --> SPELL CHECK!
Edited by Dimitri (01/25/10 09:00 AM)
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#34690 - 01/28/10 12:52 AM
Rabbit! Rabbit!
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Michael A.Aquino
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Dr. Aquino if you state that you saw Airplane or Hendrix or The Dead at the Fillmore than I shall be terribly jealous.
Back before the Fillmore, actually, when the action was at the Matrix in the Marina - interestingly just across the street from the historic "6" art gallery, where the famous Ginsberg public reading of "Howl" occurred in 1955. Must be the neighborhood. Marty Balin owned the Matrix, and the Airplane came together as its "house band", but it was very amorphic & experimental. Grace was originally with another of the bands there, the Great Society, then went over to the Airplane. My family later bought the Matrix from Balin and leased it to the Pierce Street Annex, but it took me years to collector-place some of the memorabilia, backdrops, and murals still stored there. I sold the building to the PSA in 1986, and today it is once again "The Matrix", but nothing like its original self.
The Fillmore & the Avalon weren't my cup of tea: too impersonal, too much psychological distance between performers & audiences. Not to mention the strange mixed aroma of sandalwood, jasmine, musk, and did I mention hemp? But I think most native San Franciscans will tell you that they began to distance themselves from the Bill Graham-era commercialism about the time Scott McKenzie began inviting everyone in. 
Am also into Hunter Thompson’s coverage of the 72 presidential election.
Way back before then, in the early 60s, he was a caretaker at Esalen, which I guess is where things started to get funky, or Gonzo as the case may be, and he went after first the Hells Angels, then Las Vegas, then Richard Nixon. There's a moral there somewhere.  I last saw Hunter at UCSB around 67-68, I think it was, and was never quite certain how much of his Uncle Duke persona was an act for the fun of it. He was, of course, an extremely competent and hard-working journalist.
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#34727 - 01/28/10 09:53 AM
Re: Rabbit! Rabbit!
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Jake999
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The Fillmore & the Avalon weren't my cup of tea: too impersonal, too much psychological distance between performers & audiences.
I know exactly what you mean. I spent most of the early 70's overseas, came back for a 3 year tour at Travis during the mid 70's then back to Europe. But during the time I was in California then, it was a choice. You COULD go to the Fillmore, or another venue in the area to hear great music, OR you could enjoy the outdoor concerts even more and be part of "the scene" with the people, the music and all that went with that. I was probably in the minority of clean and sober people at the events.
And that carried on all the way from the great days of Janis Joplin with the Full Tilt Boogie Band or Big Brother and the Holding Company, Jimi Hendrix, The James Gang, Butterfield Blues Band, Chambers Brothers, etc., all the way up to the Day On The Green series of concerts with the 80's groups at various arenas in the Bay Area. The music was good in the box, but GREAT in the open air.
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#34747 - 01/28/10 04:55 PM
Highway 101 Revisited
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Michael A.Aquino
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My one and only encounter with Bob Dylan was terrifying.
New Year's Eve, around 65-67 can't remember specifically. I was at a party of a sound-system genius in Palo Alto who was a pioneer in the use of mica. In his living room he had two mica-covered towers which acted as unbelievable speakers but would fry you if you touched them. Anyway BD was also there, and somewhere in Palo Alto is a commemorative toilet seat whose underside we all signed. 
Later in the evening we were admiring our host's Shelby 427 Cobra - a very rare car in those days - and he invited BD to take me for a ride. Wow! Except that he took the thing out onto the Bayshore Freeway and floored it. Cobras go much faster than the 65mph speed limit. This was around midnight on new year's eve, and the CHP was out en masse. I knew we were going to get stopped, and because he was a big star nothing would happen to him, but I was going to be stomped. Miraculously we got back safely and uninterruptedly. Talk about a mixed-metaphor experience.
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