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#34521 - 01/25/10 08:30 AM speciesism the NEW sexism
darklord Offline
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you've all heard about racism and sexism but the term speciesism hasn't even been really talk about. the thought of specisism sickened me more than all other "isms". the fact that speciesism means that you hold your own species (human) higher than any other creature (everything else living on this planet). that wont be such a problem since the food chain is in order, but seening though that humans have no place on the food chain execpt eat , kill and wear evering beond its means, well it explains that we are the worst of all we have no excuse..... so anouther flaw in the humanity system,
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#34523 - 01/25/10 08:44 AM Re: speciesism the NEW sexism [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
darklord Offline
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point... but through the animal eyes thier hollicaust has just began.. your forgeting that you are lookin through the glass through a specicist eyes, a human. Its ironic that humans have no place on the food chain but yet they fuck it up. people forget that meat isn't meant to be metabolised by humans thay only pray on thing thats are diffrent. hence why humans aren't smart creatures they are only smart through the aid of training i.e through animals (humters and gathers)
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#34525 - 01/25/10 08:49 AM Re: speciesism the NEW sexism [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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It depends where and when a person is at any given time.

In populated areas, yes. Man is on top of the food chain. You don't see many polar bears, tigers or lions walking around in New York or Boston, London or Paris. Man is indeed king.

A man on the Serengeti plain walking without a high powered weapon has another name. LUNCH. And the lion that eats his balls for an appetizer really doesn't care any more about "speciesism" when eating a man than he does when he eats a jackal, a water buffalo, or even another lion. Same thing in other parts of the world... including Australia. There are places there, like in the Northern Territory, where, while you might love and respect them, the Saltwater Crocs don't care if you're man or beast. Or sharks off the coast.

Man was simply successful enough to breed into superiority and have tools to make him more dangerous than another predator on the chain. Hell, we'll eat our own if we need to... and have proven that amply in the past.
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#34526 - 01/25/10 08:54 AM Re: speciesism the NEW sexism [Re: darklord]
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the fact that speciesism means that you hold your own species (human) higher than any other creature (everything else living on this planet).

And the problem is?
The human specie is the most successful one during the last centuries. Our specie managed to alter his environnement in such a way that it (almost) provides us our daily needs and cravings.
The law of survival of the fittest is still present, yet due to our intelligence is limited towards production (genetic codes and the possible mutations who might be good or bad).

We might consider ourselves on top of the food chain, and we have the right to do so. Naturally it should also be mentioned that a human alone without his technology and general knowledge about his environnement is as defenseless as a big fish in a very small pond crowded on the side by bears. ( A reason why I like survival ism). Neverless...

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that wont be such a problem since the food chain is in order, but seening though that humans have no place on the food chain execpt eat , kill and wear evering beond its means, well it explains that we are the worst of all we have no excuse..... so anouther flaw in the humanity system,

Humans have their place on the food-chain. We can still be defeated by bacteria, insects and many other predators. As a science student, and to be more exact my biologist side, I hate to read such a stupid assumption that the human specie is the top-predator in the food-chain/web. ( We are ranked "high" in it, that's true, yet there is no THE). It is natural that an individual from a specie gets eaten or killed by something "below" him, it's the general sum that counts.

I should also add that the foodchain/web varies from environment to environment and from specie to specie. It is the total sum op weaponary and general influence/power of the specie that counts and not a few individuals.

I can see no problem in glorifying the human specie, at the extend that there are no bold claims as you came to say. And after all, we are the most successful, the fact that I can eat anything I want (which is edible) pretty much sums it up.

Btw: Since when did the rules about grammar change? Read the rules of this forum... --> SPELL CHECK!


Edited by Dimitri (01/25/10 09:00 AM)
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#34527 - 01/25/10 08:55 AM Re: speciesism the NEW sexism [Re: Jake999]
darklord Offline
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you think to much in your time... where we have war weapons , and to answer you before we have made species fo extinctd, we consume more than we need im not a human lover nor animal i look at them as a whole and think whats fair. The other day here at home in the paper.... "man gets eaten by shark" we humans respond "go out and kill that shark"....fair..... if for eveything we consume, either by drink, eating or wearing from an animal and they had thier justice we'll be fucked, humans are bulit on ego.... im sorry to be fair the only meat i eat is human.
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#34529 - 01/25/10 09:05 AM Re: speciesism the NEW sexism [Re: darklord]
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Well, I suppose that the animals will be lining up at your door to thank you. I suppose. I don't really care. We consume animals. We consume plants. If you don't like that, then DON'T.

Find someplace where people might actually care about what you complain about, because child, I'm here to tell you, this isn't a site for emo whining.
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#34530 - 01/25/10 09:07 AM Re: speciesism the NEW sexism [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
darklord Offline
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Filthy maggot liar.. human meat wont kill you if prepeared properly nor wont harm, were on a structure of belive systems, you think were are meant to eat meat even though were ominovires (eats whats availble) and i think we're speciesist either wich dont call me uneducated! its having respect of a life you are eating what are your are a babarian...
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#34532 - 01/25/10 09:14 AM Re: speciesism the NEW sexism [Re: darklord]
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Filthy maggot liar.. human meat wont kill you if prepeared properly nor wont harm

Ever heard of Kuru?
It might not be deadly, but it isn't very healthy either.
And yes, you are uneducated since you still lack the ability of writing an English sentence without proper spelling and lack the general insight on biology. Unless you take the bullshit veggie-sites tend to spread for granted.

Go eat a carrot..


Edited by Dimitri (01/25/10 09:16 AM)
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#34533 - 01/25/10 09:17 AM Re: speciesism the NEW sexism [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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I call bullshit on this "maneater." Sorry. I ain't believing it.
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#34534 - 01/25/10 09:18 AM Re: speciesism the NEW sexism [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
darklord Offline
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hey dickhead engilsh is my first language for starters, and i dont eat human for second, i just thought is was a bit funny that we as people make a big deal about sexism and racism but not speciesism i thought it was ignorant, & dont apperiate being called a "emo" by a yank hell you guys cry over everthing! it was just a word thats isn't discussed alot, but hell what do i know know im not "educated"
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#34536 - 01/25/10 09:26 AM Re: speciesism the NEW sexism [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
darklord Offline
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IM dislexic can help it man get over it, and im not a vegetain and i do know alot about kuru! (since i live in australia) your5 alot futher away from it than i am!
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#34537 - 01/25/10 09:34 AM Re: speciesism the NEW sexism [Re: darklord]
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I second the "Troll" call.

I'd suggest you read the rules of the board and clean up your act, or you'll very probably find yourself among the missing around here pretty quickly. Trolls and game players don't last long here.
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#34538 - 01/25/10 09:39 AM Re: speciesism the NEW sexism [Re: Jake999]
darklord Offline
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im sorry.. is resept for animals a big "No NO" around here
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#34539 - 01/25/10 09:41 AM Re: speciesism the NEW sexism [Re: darklord]
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 Originally Posted By: darklord
hey dickhead engilsh is my first language for starters, and i dont eat human for second, i just thought is was a bit funny that we as people make a big deal about sexism and racism but not speciesism i thought it was ignorant, & dont apperiate being called a "emo" by a yank hell you guys cry over everthing! it was just a word thats isn't discussed alot, but hell what do i know know im not "educated"


Well well well...
Look what the cat dragged into the house.

Couple of things:

You state that you are not educated.
I will have to agree on that (although you state your occupation as "student" in your profile).
It seems that Mr. and Mrs. Darklord failed to give their cub some basic facts about surviving in harsh and unfriendly environments (fx. The 600 Club).

1st.

Thou shall master at least the basic(s) of grammar and punctuation before you attempt the art of writing.

2nd.

If attempting to communicate; applying logic will make you avoid being ripped to tatters.

3rd.
If you are ripped to tatters, aggression and name-calling will get you nowhere.
Well actually; it will send your lily-white arse to the pillory.

I will give you ONE chance to straighten up your act, newbie.
Finger on the ban-button...
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#34540 - 01/25/10 09:55 AM Re: speciesism the NEW sexism [Re: Woland]
darklord Offline
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yea no worries not trying to be mean, just a thought and australian (which mean insults mean we like ya). and for the record am dislexic and maybe strong headed on the topic... just lost me dog to cuel kids. food for thought thats all

sorry mates

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#34564 - 01/25/10 07:06 PM Re: speciesism the NEW sexism [Re: darklord]
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Mr. Darklord.

I would then suggest that you refrain from posting.
I am well and truly tired of fuckwits who explains their more than apparent lazy and unwillingness to use a spellchecker with various degrees of dyslexia.

A tip; the noble art of starting a sentence with a capital letter is quite easy, and can be effectuated by numerous alternative techniques, dyslectic or not.
Btw; you have "misspelled" dyslexia in the exact same way at several occasions...
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#34565 - 01/25/10 07:50 PM Re: speciesism the NEW sexism [Re: Woland]
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Just a quick side note regarding "revenge" on a shark that ate a person.

Killing a shark or any other animal that has eaten a person is not from a point of revenge. Human beings are not a natural thing for sharks to eat. Usually they just take a little taste, then swim away (unless there is a bunch of them in a feeding franzy.)

However once a shark eats a human it is because either unable to hunt for its regular prey, or it it has learned to hunt a pray (human) that is easy to get. Therefore, to stop it from attacking people again it is hunted down and destroyed. Same thing goes for bears and many other animals that attack people.

At least that is my understanding of it.
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#34578 - 01/25/10 11:07 PM Re: speciesism the NEW sexism [Re: Jake999]
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
A man on the Serengeti plain walking without a high powered weapon has another name. LUNCH.

"There was a young lady from Niger
Who smiled as she rode on a tiger.
They returned from the ride
With the lady inside,
And a smile on the face of the tiger."
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#34586 - 01/26/10 02:50 AM Re: speciesism the NEW sexism [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Nice pussy!

Yet; in this specific thread I feel something like this might be more appropriate...
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#34669 - 01/27/10 04:35 PM Re: speciesism the NEW sexism [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
MatthewJ1
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On the 26th of January we had Australia Day and evrybody got a day off work, including myself.

I love Australia Day because you get to do the Aussie thing.

One the traditions is to have a barbeque in the scorching sun, which was what we did.

We had yummy lamb cutlets as an entree and than we had some snags (sausages) and some marinated thai chicken tenderloins.

Great stuff. I like my meat.

Only kill non-human animals for your food. I regard animals highly, but I must eat meat.

By the way it got up to 40 odd degrees celsius on Australia Day where I live. Truly disgusting sort of weather to be barbecuing in.

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#34670 - 01/27/10 05:08 PM Mmm, Soylent Green! [Re: ]
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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 Originally Posted By: MatthewJ1
I love Australia Day because you get to do the Aussie thing.

One the traditions is to have a barbeque in the scorching sun, which was what we did.

We had yummy lamb cutlets as an entree and than we had some snags (sausages) and some marinated thai chicken tenderloins.

Great stuff. I like my meat.

Only kill non-human animals for your food. I regard animals highly, but I must eat meat.

Why kill innocent lambs and chickens who've never harmed you? If you simply have to eat meat, Australia does have a traditional alternative ...
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#34674 - 01/27/10 06:35 PM Re: Mmm, Soylent Green! [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
MatthewJ1
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Hells Bells Dr. Aquino!

This reminds me a little of the lecture on cannibalism held at 6114 and the special treat offered by the Herr Doktor and Lady Diane to their guests.

I still like my lamb and chicken more.

I should feel sorry for them and I sort of do, but then I think about those damn BBQ cutlets and well…

I’m just not into eating humans…oh… well, ummm…I…oh never mind that right now.

I find BBQ lamb and chook to be better than human.

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#34679 - 01/27/10 09:57 PM Through a Glass, Musically [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: MatthewJ1
I’m just not into eating humans…oh… well, ummm…I…oh never mind that right now.

Grace had something to sing on the subject.

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This reminds me a little of the lecture on cannibalism held at 6114 and the special treat offered by the Herr Doktor and Lady Diane to their guests.

Grace had a song for them too.
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#34682 - 01/27/10 10:37 PM Re: Through a Glass, Musically [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
MatthewJ1
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I am a sucker for San Francisco in the late 1960’s and the early 1970’s.

I am being a touch egalitarian here I realise, but …

Dr. Aquino if you state that you saw Airplane or Hendrix or The Dead at the Fillmore than I shall be terribly jealous.

Am also into Hunter Thompson’s coverage of the 72 presidential election.

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#34690 - 01/28/10 12:52 AM Rabbit! Rabbit! [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: MatthewJ1
Dr. Aquino if you state that you saw Airplane or Hendrix or The Dead at the Fillmore than I shall be terribly jealous.

Back before the Fillmore, actually, when the action was at the Matrix in the Marina - interestingly just across the street from the historic "6" art gallery, where the famous Ginsberg public reading of "Howl" occurred in 1955. Must be the neighborhood. Marty Balin owned the Matrix, and the Airplane came together as its "house band", but it was very amorphic & experimental. Grace was originally with another of the bands there, the Great Society, then went over to the Airplane. My family later bought the Matrix from Balin and leased it to the Pierce Street Annex, but it took me years to collector-place some of the memorabilia, backdrops, and murals still stored there. I sold the building to the PSA in 1986, and today it is once again "The Matrix", but nothing like its original self.

The Fillmore & the Avalon weren't my cup of tea: too impersonal, too much psychological distance between performers & audiences. Not to mention the strange mixed aroma of sandalwood, jasmine, musk, and did I mention hemp? But I think most native San Franciscans will tell you that they began to distance themselves from the Bill Graham-era commercialism about the time Scott McKenzie began inviting everyone in.

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Am also into Hunter Thompson’s coverage of the 72 presidential election.

Way back before then, in the early 60s, he was a caretaker at Esalen, which I guess is where things started to get funky, or Gonzo as the case may be, and he went after first the Hells Angels, then Las Vegas, then Richard Nixon. There's a moral there somewhere. I last saw Hunter at UCSB around 67-68, I think it was, and was never quite certain how much of his Uncle Duke persona was an act for the fun of it. He was, of course, an extremely competent and hard-working journalist.
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#34694 - 01/28/10 01:39 AM Re: Rabbit! Rabbit! [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
MatthewJ1
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Yes, it was Thompson who got me onto drinking Wild Turkey and Chivas and smoking Dunhills out of a long cigarette holder back in my silly days.

I never met him, but I miss him and wish he had have been around during the last few years. The world needed him and his brand of political critique.

There is a wonderful little blog from Owl Farm, which I like to visit now and then.

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#34727 - 01/28/10 09:53 AM Re: Rabbit! Rabbit! [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino

The Fillmore & the Avalon weren't my cup of tea: too impersonal, too much psychological distance between performers & audiences.


I know exactly what you mean. I spent most of the early 70's overseas, came back for a 3 year tour at Travis during the mid 70's then back to Europe. But during the time I was in California then, it was a choice. You COULD go to the Fillmore, or another venue in the area to hear great music, OR you could enjoy the outdoor concerts even more and be part of "the scene" with the people, the music and all that went with that. I was probably in the minority of clean and sober people at the events.

And that carried on all the way from the great days of Janis Joplin with the Full Tilt Boogie Band or Big Brother and the Holding Company, Jimi Hendrix, The James Gang, Butterfield Blues Band, Chambers Brothers, etc., all the way up to the Day On The Green series of concerts with the 80's groups at various arenas in the Bay Area. The music was good in the box, but GREAT in the open air.
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#34734 - 01/28/10 12:29 PM Re: speciesism the NEW sexism [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Jake999
It depends where and when a person is at any given time.




Even when you consider the dearth of beasts of prey in certain areas, let us not forget the humble virus, bacteria or mosquito. To that lot, we are but walking happy meals.

As to the argument put forth, I do not put humans at the top of the heap. I reserve that small space for me and mine.
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#34745 - 01/28/10 04:19 PM Re: Rabbit! Rabbit! [Re: Jake999]
MatthewJ1
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I love that goddamn music! I swear I was born 25 years too late and in the wrong city and country.

Listened to S Pillow last night and grooved. Just a great band.

That music somehow perfectly fits, along with Big Brother and the Holding Company, Electric Ladyland (have never heard someone play like that before or after).

I didn't get into Paul Butterfield as much, but certainly where he came from. The people he loved.

Loved The Band as well. And Dylan.

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#34747 - 01/28/10 04:55 PM Highway 101 Revisited [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: MatthewJ1
And Dylan.

My one and only encounter with Bob Dylan was terrifying.

New Year's Eve, around 65-67 can't remember specifically. I was at a party of a sound-system genius in Palo Alto who was a pioneer in the use of mica. In his living room he had two mica-covered towers which acted as unbelievable speakers but would fry you if you touched them. Anyway BD was also there, and somewhere in Palo Alto is a commemorative toilet seat whose underside we all signed. \:D

Later in the evening we were admiring our host's Shelby 427 Cobra - a very rare car in those days - and he invited BD to take me for a ride. Wow! Except that he took the thing out onto the Bayshore Freeway and floored it. Cobras go much faster than the 65mph speed limit. This was around midnight on new year's eve, and the CHP was out en masse. I knew we were going to get stopped, and because he was a big star nothing would happen to him, but I was going to be stomped. Miraculously we got back safely and uninterruptedly. Talk about a mixed-metaphor experience.
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#34883 - 01/31/10 09:12 PM Re: Highway 101 Revisited [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I'm speciesist, so is every other animal. It's how we survive, we give a damn about ourselves, and and give a nice warm cooking over a fire to the rest, anyone have BBQ sauce for this chicken?
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#35961 - 02/25/10 02:29 PM Re: speciesism the NEW sexism [Re: darklord]
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The only meat you eat is Human? By that do you mean cock I wander...?

Lock this shit down. I’ve heard more coherent rambling’s from gay skinheads.
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#35962 - 02/25/10 04:08 PM Re: speciesism the NEW sexism [Re: darklord]
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 Originally Posted By: darklord
hey dickhead engilsh is my first language for starters, and i dont eat human for second, i just thought is was a bit funny that we as people make a big deal about sexism and racism but not speciesism i thought it was ignorant, & dont apperiate being called a "emo" by a yank hell you guys cry over everthing! it was just a word thats isn't discussed alot, but hell what do i know know im not "educated"


English is your first language?? Please, whatever you do, refrain from inflicting your second or third on us.
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