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#34566 - 01/25/10 08:18 PM Avatar
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So Avatar starts like this: "Put your 3-D glasses on now". If you don't you'll get a headache. But if you do the sensible thing (ie bittorrent), you'll find this movie sucks the wax tadpole, and its messages are retarded, sophomoric, and jejune. If you saw this movie and LIKED it, you should seriously consider a job in futures. ;\)
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#34572 - 01/25/10 10:00 PM Re: Avatar [Re: GillesdeRais]
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What I said about Avatar in one of the Temple of Set's forums:

The situation of the Na'vi in Avatar is much like that of the Quendi (Elves) in the Morlindalë: They are attuned to & harmonious with nature (Pandora or Arda), but for the same reason are bounded and limited by it. Within that environment they are masterful and regenerative. But they are constitutionally unable to perceive or even survive beyond it.

Within Egyptian metaphysics they would be like initiates of all of the neteru except Set. Setians recognize themselves to be distinct from and outside of nature, which is, as we know, at once a blessing and a curse. It dashes from our lips the Cup of Lethe and offers instead the Grail of the Psyche. It is the eating of the fruit of the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil, the acceptance of the Fire of Prometheus, the Black Flame, the Spear of Odin, the Fire of She, and the One Ring.

Setians can never again lose themselves in nature; they can intelligently coexist with it, use it either constructively or harmfully. They can improve it by stopping forest fires and healing injured or sick animals, or they can devastate it [as dramatized in Avatar]. That choice is unavoidably the responsibility, the ethics, of each individual Setian; and it is an endless confrontation of choices. The Setian can never stop, never go back, except by willful Self-annihilation: the drinking of the Kheft.

In this ultimate sense, Avatar is a morality epic about nonSetians and Setians. It portrays nonSetians most blissfully and Setians most viciously: gods initiating Ragnarök for the sheer nihilistic wantonness of it. It is a graphic illustration of the danger of the Gift of Set, the Id-Monster of Forbidden Planet remanifesting through war-technology.

Finally, of course, Avatar is but the latest and most lavish illustration of this dilemma, which has been held up to conscious humanity over and over again since the first man-ape touched the Monolith. For noninitiated viewers, this film offers a simple message: that immersion in nature is better than transcendence of it. [That is the same message offered by conventional religions/the RHP, though all that they can really deliver is the illusion of it.] The Setian, I think, will emerge from the theater with a much more complex paradigm in mind: that the Gift of Set can be, and has all too often been, loathsomely abused by humanity. We, its sacred guardians, must always aspire to its purification, not degradation. If Setians visited Pandora, the Na'vi would have no reason to hate and fear us - though we would be as incomprehensible to them as the Asgard of Stargate SG-1 or the aforementioned 2001 Monolith.

More than a few viewers have commented about the replayed theme of the "White Messiah" (Jake) who seems indispensable to lead/rescue ignorant natives. It doesn't work out well all the time, as for instance in Apocalypse Now, wherein the WM Colonel Kurtz became psychotic and suicidal. Lawrence of Arabia didn't work out very well either, nor did Khartoum.

One of the curious aspects of such films is the theme of the WM "going native" to gain their trust, as though merely coming in as a charismatic outsider is not sufficient. Avatar carries this to a sci-fi extreme with not only a behavioral "going native" but a complete physical robot/cyborg impersonation as well. This theme originated most famously in Metropolis, in which the oppressed-class leader Maria is imaged into a malevolent robotrix for the purpose of leading her trusting followers to their doom. Look familiar?
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#34681 - 01/27/10 10:27 PM Re: Avatar [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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Fucking-A Maw, it was so derivative of Cameron's other flicks (except for the fact that he ripped off Little Big Man too, a flick I thought no one would dare descend to borrow from, ick).
To quote from the movie 7, "Only in a world this shitty could you even try to say these were innocent people and keep a straight face." \:\) Sweet Dreams. =)
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#34770 - 01/29/10 10:06 AM Re: Avatar [Re: GillesdeRais]
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I saw the film last week and was a bit disappointed. Maybe its because I saw the 2-D version (sorry but my head just cant take 3-D for more than a few minutes!) but it all seemed a bit simple. For a "groundbreaking" film, I found it to be a mismash of other films and not that interesting. I'd give it 2 stars, but was just underwhelmed.
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#34774 - 01/29/10 10:30 AM Re: Avatar [Re: GillesdeRais]
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I think, technologically, that this film has permanently raised the bar for the consumer’s expectations of sci-fi and fantasy films. This has done what 2001: A Space Odyssey accomplished in the genre. Was it a ground breaking plot? No.
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#34903 - 02/01/10 02:44 AM Re: Avatar [Re: 111Cal]
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 Originally Posted By: 111Cal
Maybe its because I saw the 2-D version (sorry but my head just cant take 3-D for more than a few minutes!)


Normally I'd be with you on this one, can't seem to escape from a headache when I watch normal 3-D films. But Avatar used different technology to get the 3-D effect which made it so that I could watch it for almost three hours without having to take the glasses off because my head hurt too much.

See, before filmmakers would just take the original film, double it up, and overlay the two sets so that when you put the glasses on it would look 3-D. Avatar used two separate cameras though, set a little ways apart, to film the entire thing. When those images were put together, a much more natural 3-D comes out. That is what made me fall in love with the movie.

Here's a little article on it. Not that extensive, but you get the point. So you may want to give it a shot, the effect it created was astounding and they didn't exploit it with cheap shots of things randomly flying at the screen.

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#36596 - 03/16/10 05:57 PM Re: Avatar [Re: GillesdeRais]
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Throughout all of Avatar I just kept waiting for Hexxus to show up. Without the sexxxy Tim Curry smoke demon as a redeeming factor, the plot was predictable, the characters were one-dimensional, and it relied too much on the special effects.

Political and moral themes should be at least somewhat deliberated or ambiguous in good art. Any dyadic film where there's a concrete line drawn between the good guys and bad guys is basically preaching to the choir. If you want to make a political statement, at least give your opposition a fair shake. Don't paint them as purely malevolent greedy bastards tweaking their handlebar mustaches.
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#36634 - 03/17/10 11:10 AM Re: Avatar [Re: GillesdeRais]
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I thought Avatar was an entertaining enough. I think James Cameron did right by the masses by going with an uncomplicated story line that families can enjoy together. I can see this film being played in Environmental Science classrooms across the states.It reminded me of Fern Gully without Robin Williams.

When watching a movie, I don't always need to be intellectually stimulated. I find some cold comfort in seeing a movie with predictable plot lines, fancy special effects, and cool action sequences, no thinking required...not to mention the movie has Ripley playing Dr. Grace!

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#36641 - 03/17/10 12:37 PM Re: Avatar [Re: BelialsGal]
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If they could have had an alien bursting out of her stomach, 'Avatar' would have risen in my esteem by a hundredfold ;\)

Alas, I doubt I'll buy the DVD when it comes out next month. I actually thought 'Star Trek' was a better movie all around. </geek>
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#36644 - 03/17/10 02:18 PM Re: Avatar [Re: Nemesis]
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Star Trek was a better movie. I don't have to see Avatar to know that. From what I have heard, Avatar is a preachy movie and would only annoy the crap out of me. Besides, I still have yet to forgive James Cameron for Titanic. Sure, you get to see Kate Winselet's tits but that fucking Celine Dion song was inescapable for the first 2 years after that movie came out. Kind of like Armageddon and Aerosmith. *shudders*
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#36660 - 03/17/10 04:30 PM Re: Avatar [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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The 3D digital movie wasn't as 'in your face' as most animated films tend to be. At most, it presented the audience with a greater feeling of depth and texture than one would normally get. I'd say the quality of it was a hair better than watching a high-def movie on a flat-screen tv at your house. At different points, the close-ups and slow motion scenes got to be a bit over much, because I knew that they were trying to emphasize the 3D effects for the viewers.

The impression that I came away after watching it was that Cameron was just trying too fucking hard. It was not an effortless movie, and I think that translated into a lot of pressure on the audience to be blown away by it.
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#36947 - 03/23/10 02:25 PM Re: Avatar [Re: Nemesis]
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I would say that the Hurt Locker and Star Trek were both superior to Avatar. I did enjoy it, but wasn't enthralled like most people seem to have been.
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#37104 - 03/28/10 09:59 AM Re: Avatar [Re: GillesdeRais]
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Probably, due to cost few movies were ever made in 3D in the past. Avatar is heralding the advent of 3D not only in the cinema but in all of our homes by programming the masses to accept and expect this as the norm.

Perhaps James Cameron had been reading the scientific publications and realised that this is the way cinema and TV technology has to go and that it will make big money for these industries. At first 3D viewing will be expensive for the viewer but as with all things, as the technology advances the costs will drop until most homes will have a 3D TV. Consumers will expect 3D viewing to satiate their never-ending appetite for the newest and best product on the market.

Our progeny hunger after the next version of Playstation, the next techno addicted buzz which 3D technology will give them. It is all about making money by programming the masses with the next merchandisable addiction. Avatar is the first 3D fix for many viewers which will eventually evolve into holographic imagery being used in the media for entertainment purposes with exciting, realistic graphic effect. We are not far off seeing images in our own homes akin to those in Star Wars when Princess Leia sent a message to Obi Wan Kenobi urging him to help her.

I wonder how this way of viewing entertainment will affect our perception of reality.

Hologrphic TV
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#37106 - 03/28/10 01:18 PM 3D TV [Re: Arianwen Seren]
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Just as an aside, if you enjoy 3D, this actually works very well (albeit a bit pricy), and the three movies are fun & well designed to make maximum use of 3D with being slapstick about it (e.g. Comin' at Ya).

Other 3D DVDs, which just use the old red/blue glasses, don't seem to work very well with television. Too bad, because there are many '50s films such as House of Wax & Revenge of the Creature that were enhanced by it.

Surprising the number of films using this technology today. Sooner or later some geek genius will probably figure out a computer program to 3D old 2D movies. They can start with The Rocketeer, Bullitt, Gone in 60 Seconds, & Stargate.
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#37107 - 03/28/10 02:49 PM Re: 3D TV [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I'm waiting for the even geekier technology of holographic entertainment. Was at the Werby "chalet" for his daughter's wedding party long ago and as you walked into the foyer, there was a life size headshot of Don Werby that puffed on his ever-present cigar and blew out the smoke. It had the typical "green tinge" look of the holograms in the 80's but even so, it was quite impressive. He said that it was a hell of a production to manufacture it and very expensive at the time.

A more aestheticly acceptable depiction of the thing I'm referencing would be the diagnostic hologram they use in the TV program BONES.

BUT,,, the only problem I have with 3D today is the glasses. Regular glasses are of course too expensive to use in movie theaters, but the paper ones are awful, usually fall apart half way through the movie and you have to hold the stupid red and green plastic up, so you can't grab some popcorn, and if you DO, your plastic gets so smeared that it looks like getting cataracts.
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