#35419 - 02/10/10 12:49 PM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: MelanosDivinity]
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Autodidact
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Why must anyone strive to seek approval of their fellow men? Why should I want to seek your approval?
If you desire or are required to work with another person, or a loosely-bound group of people, gaining their approval makes for a better relationship. This translates to less effort on your part. Approval is usually not *required* in this case, but it usually make things easier. Choose as you wish.
Groups that are tightly-bound usually have their approval as a prerequisite to joining the group (whatever "joining" equates to for them). If you want in, you need the approval. Again, choose as you wish.
Other than that, you don't need their approval.
No, from their point of view. Remember that almost everyone will judge you according to themselves. See above.
Yes, from your point of view. Know thyself, and either be content with who you are or change yourself. In the end, you are the only one you need to make happy.
I have taken the liberty of deciding that who I am is enough for me and if it is not enough for others then I guess they will have to just cry me a river.
Self-pity is pointless. They will not cry for you - they will ignore you.
You are your own god. Understand both sides of that statement.
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An nescis, mi fili, quantilla prudentia mundus regatur?
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#35447 - 02/10/10 08:55 PM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: MelanosDivinity]
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MatthewJ1
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The smart people (in my view) are always discriminating, judging and discerning others in order to size them up; to see how they tick; to see what use they can have, and whether they can be friends, allies, innocent bystanders or potential enemies.
It would seem that inner approval means that you have a sense of self awareness and self acceptance for who you are?
To seek the approval of others or not? Let the specific situation dictate the approach.
I would agree with Dimitri that acquiring genuine self – awareness can be a difficult, but essential to your success.
You determine your strategy because you know who you are and what will work, given who you are and the target to be acquired.
I want approval as Noctuary states. I want to command the right viewer to look and to be held in place and to be convinced and be ready to agree with me and act in accordance with my will.
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#37597 - 04/14/10 10:35 AM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: MelanosDivinity]
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William Wright
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I seek the approval of others every day – at work, at home, with my friends, etc. I seek their approval because if they approve of me, they’re more likely to give me what I want. Seeking approval is an essential component of lesser magic. It’s how I shape the world around me to conform to my wishes.
This is, of course, quite different from seeking approval for self validation. If others don’t approve of me, I shouldn’t consider that a reflection of my self worth. However, it might be worth my time to consider why they don’t approve of me and if there’s something I should do about it. It all comes down to what’s in my best interest.
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#38156 - 04/28/10 03:30 AM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: William Wright]
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Caliga
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I judge and discriminate all the time. In fact, I find I get in trouble the most when I ignore or refute my own instincts about a given person.
As for judging myself, I evaluate continuously. Only by checking "where I am at" can I determine the most effective path to progress how I desire.
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#38187 - 04/29/10 10:03 PM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: Caliga]
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Lucifer Rising
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I am far less worried about acceptance than I am respect. I care not if people approve of who or what they believe me to be, as long as I hold their respect. There is at least one guy I know at work that is down right scared of me, but I ask him to do something he does it without delay. In fact, I've learned he's made keeping me happy an extremely high priority because he found out I was a Satanist and is afraid to piss me off. I don't hold a position of authority, not everyone there likes me, but almost every single one of them listens carefully when I have something to say.
However, different situations do give cause for different tactics. If I'm at a club or a party, meeting somebody for the very first time, or doing an job interview, I may focus much more on acceptance to ease the creation of whatever type of relationship I may desire from the person. Yet at work and everyday life, I have found respect far more important. Acceptance, for me at least, is almost a non-issue until I choose to win their acceptance to achieve a certain goal.
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Even if you're the ultimate evil lord of the underworld, you should always be yourself. Mickey Mouse
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#38206 - 05/01/10 10:36 AM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: Lucifer Rising]
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Satansfarm
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There have been several times when doing business that I could not make a deal because the client did not like my beliefs. Satanism scares people. Sometimes I will tuck my pendant under my shirt. There are other times when I don't like the situation anyway, so I don't care what the other person thinks. Also, just because someone is a pagan or a Thelemite or a Satanist doesn't mean that I am going to like them. If I don't like someone, I might not tell it to their face, but I will avoid them. Life is too short.
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#38253 - 05/03/10 06:52 PM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: Lucifer Rising]
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William Wright
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Lucifer Rising, I think you may be confusing respect with intimidation. Don’t get me wrong, intimidation can be an important tool in one’s arsenal. However, people who respect you will stand by you when the going gets tough. I have a feeling that if the going got tough for you, your fellow workers would shit all over you. Intimidation breeds resentment, and it can bite you in the ass if you’re not careful.
As for telling those at work that you are a Satanist, I think you’re playing with fire. I would thoroughly assess the situation before revealing that. Good luck.
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#38396 - 05/09/10 09:01 AM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: Lucifer Rising]
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William Wright
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LR, you may want to consider taking the jumpy one in, so to speak, as a kind of project. Find out what makes him this way. Is he only jumpy around you, or is he jumpy in general? Perhaps deep down he is fascinated by you, but this fascination manifests itself rather awkwardly as jumpiness. Is he a smart guy, perhaps a bit nerdy, or is he dull?
I suggest this project not as an act of benevolence toward him but as a learning experience for you. I’ve found that those who have a strong emotional reaction to me often turn out to be a valuable resource as a friend/enemy. Might there be something gained by a relationship with him? Maybe there’s more to him than meets the eye. Just a thought.
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