#35419 - 02/10/10 12:49 PM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: MelanosDivinity]
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Why must anyone strive to seek approval of their fellow men? Why should I want to seek your approval?
If you desire or are required to work with another person, or a loosely-bound group of people, gaining their approval makes for a better relationship. This translates to less effort on your part. Approval is usually not *required* in this case, but it usually make things easier. Choose as you wish.
Groups that are tightly-bound usually have their approval as a prerequisite to joining the group (whatever "joining" equates to for them). If you want in, you need the approval. Again, choose as you wish.
Other than that, you don't need their approval.
No, from their point of view. Remember that almost everyone will judge you according to themselves. See above.
Yes, from your point of view. Know thyself, and either be content with who you are or change yourself. In the end, you are the only one you need to make happy.
I have taken the liberty of deciding that who I am is enough for me and if it is not enough for others then I guess they will have to just cry me a river.
Self-pity is pointless. They will not cry for you - they will ignore you.
You are your own god. Understand both sides of that statement.
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#38156 - 04/28/10 03:30 AM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
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Caliga
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I judge and discriminate all the time. In fact, I find I get in trouble the most when I ignore or refute my own instincts about a given person.
As for judging myself, I evaluate continuously. Only by checking "where I am at" can I determine the most effective path to progress how I desire.
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#38187 - 04/29/10 10:03 PM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: Caliga]
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I am far less worried about acceptance than I am respect. I care not if people approve of who or what they believe me to be, as long as I hold their respect. There is at least one guy I know at work that is down right scared of me, but I ask him to do something he does it without delay. In fact, I've learned he's made keeping me happy an extremely high priority because he found out I was a Satanist and is afraid to piss me off. I don't hold a position of authority, not everyone there likes me, but almost every single one of them listens carefully when I have something to say.
However, different situations do give cause for different tactics. If I'm at a club or a party, meeting somebody for the very first time, or doing an job interview, I may focus much more on acceptance to ease the creation of whatever type of relationship I may desire from the person. Yet at work and everyday life, I have found respect far more important. Acceptance, for me at least, is almost a non-issue until I choose to win their acceptance to achieve a certain goal.
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#38206 - 05/01/10 10:36 AM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: Lucifer Rising]
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There have been several times when doing business that I could not make a deal because the client did not like my beliefs. Satanism scares people. Sometimes I will tuck my pendant under my shirt. There are other times when I don't like the situation anyway, so I don't care what the other person thinks. Also, just because someone is a pagan or a Thelemite or a Satanist doesn't mean that I am going to like them. If I don't like someone, I might not tell it to their face, but I will avoid them. Life is too short.
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#40290 - 07/15/10 12:51 PM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: Lucifer Rising]
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Satansfarm
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Since I am at odds most of the time with the people around me, it would be foolish to seek their approval. It took me a few years to learn this lesson. I was raised to be a good horsewhipped Catholic, after all. I swallowed whole all that peace love hippy crap during the 60's and 70's. Reality is that people are opportunistic and when it comes to things that are desirable, they will use every trick in the book to get them. Let's face it, the good stuff is in short supply and if you are not quick enough, brutal enough, or cunning enough, you will be fighting over the scraps. Worse case scenario, you will get nothing but injuries. There are points at which absolutely no one else can be trusted.
Do I seek approval? Sure I do, when I want something in return.
Am I perfect in my ascertaining situations of profit and gain? No, I'm not. I can get stung. Am I a vindictive son of a bitch? You better believe it.
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#42620 - 08/29/10 06:06 PM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
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I am Initiated to a sublime life of humility, labor, service, gratitude, and practice. What each of these five axioms signify would entail elaboration greater than is needed. So, I'm not going to bother with detailing how each principle unfolded into the manifoldness which is summarized as just merely One. Each provided maxims to synthesize a unique life, one without regret as to how I live it. After intense supra-mental feats which span five years to date (but have been going on for my entire life), extraneous matter as well as spiritual is replete to a corollary position or status. Hence, all suprafluous outflowings are no longer a threat or occupy concern in my well-Being which is of primary importance to myself. This conscious-force is a sustaining vigor which is Absolute Existence to my integral, continual life. My Intelligence, Bliss, Will, Knowledge, and Action have gone through a metamorphisis which is self-realized as a restoration of spatio-temporal sensations of movement and change. I am spang (completed).
There are a plethora of people to thank for placing me in a trenchant terminus that was-is-will be evolving and involving a Monistic life that is at this place in time and will be torpid to all of my percipient senses. The right, other kind of individuals are a moot point which does not involve any processing beyond themselves as humans.
Ciao
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#42621 - 08/29/10 06:34 PM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: paolo sette]
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I am Initiated to a sublime life of humility, labor, service, gratitude, and practice ...
That all sounds suspiciously RHP. Or like the philosophy version of the Dilbert mission statement generator.
Hm, maybe I could write a perl version, with high-falutin' words and complicated metaphors ...
Oh, and:
you misspelled "spam".
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#42634 - 08/30/10 08:35 AM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: paolo sette]
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Nyte
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I am Initiated to a sublime life of humility, labor, service, gratitude, and practice. What each of these five axioms signify would entail elaboration greater than is needed. So, I'm not going to bother with detailing how each principle unfolded into the manifoldness which is summarized as just merely One. Each provided maxims to synthesize a unique life, one without regret as to how I live it. After intense supra-mental feats which span five years to date (but have been going on for my entire life), extraneous matter as well as spiritual is replete to a corollary position or status. Hence, all suprafluous outflowings are no longer a threat or occupy concern in my well-Being which is of primary importance to myself. This conscious-force is a sustaining vigor which is Absolute Existence to my integral, continual life. My Intelligence, Bliss, Will, Knowledge, and Action have gone through a metamorphisis which is self-realized as a restoration of spatio-temporal sensations of movement and change. I am spang (completed).
There are a plethora of people to thank for placing me in a trenchant terminus that was-is-will be evolving and involving a Monistic life that is at this place in time and will be torpid to all of my percipient senses. The right, other kind of individuals are a moot point which does not involve any processing beyond themselves as humans.
Ciao
I know we're not suppose to use one-liners, so I'll try to extend this as far as possible.
I have but one question for you Paolo Sette.
Do you talk like this in real life? I hope for the sake of the people around you that you don't.
If you were looking for acceptance by using a plethora of elaborate words that actually stated absolutely nothing about the topic....
Well...
Oh........Never mind.
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#42735 - 09/03/10 03:03 PM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: Euronymous]
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We all judge and seek approval in given circumstances, but I would like to think that the Satanist does this from a stand point of "lesser magic" for His or Her own personal gain.
And that's really the key. Humans probably use first impressions and snap judgements because evolutionarily it paid to react faster than it took to "think things through" (whatever that means for our hairy ancestors), and also because it takes less time and energy. I try to be discriminating in what I spend my time and energy thinking about, but most people don't.
For yourself, discriminate, and don't feel bad about snap judgements on things you don't care that much about.
But be mindful that others are more fickle. For instance, the best way to get promoted is to be trusted by your boss, and your boss's boss, regardless of actual job performance ... and they will probably base that trust purely on how well you help them accomplish *their* goals. Leverage for LBM, use as desired.
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#42836 - 09/06/10 03:11 PM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: Syn_Holliday]
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OrgasmicKarmatic
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On the flip side, I've known some who call themselves Satanists who seek to gain the disapproval of others in the belief that they will gain approval from Satanists. Others might do it with the belief that they will appear tough. Some because it gives them the sense of rebellion. Some will consciously try to gain disapproval from the religious, either for martyrdom or to prove some point.
I remember walking around Hollywood with a bunch of other Satanists, and one of them getting really excited, with a big smile say to me, "Did you see the looks on those people's faces? They totally disapprove of us!" And all I could think was, what a dork.
Seeking disapproval for the sake of gaining approval. Hmm.
Disdainful actions are always a one edged sword. The most you go and do is make a mockery of yourself.
In response to the main part of the thread though, I must say that approval to others is an essential part of life in general. Yes, we pick and choose our battles but in life, there are just some people you HAVE to play nicely with from time to time. For example, I gain approval from my boss by my work ethic so I am able to obtain more. I gain approval from most of the parents that have children around my childrens' ages so that they might not suffer from misunderstanding at such a young age.
We seek approval, by choice, to obtain things or to avoid things. A young Satanist may deter a conversation with an adult about his involvement with Satanism as to avoid the extra hardship. Granted, the extra hardship may be something he will need to go through eventually, but why add more stress to your life?
This striving for approval becomes a problem when you pretend you are something you are not. If a person goes out of their way to avoid the topic of Satanism just simply to not have to deal with the headache that comes with discussing it with certain people, I cannot see a problem with this. If a person, in the same attempts claim to be something other than a Satanist (like a christian) this becomes a problem. (However, they wouldn't be much of a Satanist then anyhow would they? xD)
But I digress as I am heading into another subject entirely.
I restate though, that approval is nice when it comes to certain aspects of my life. I am as judgmental as the next person that comes around but I do not expect anything more from them than I would from myself.
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#43063 - 09/16/10 08:40 PM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
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Sirsee
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To quote the sage words of Dave & Max Fleischer's profound character:
"I am what I am, I'm Popeye the Sailor man, toot, toot."
Edited by Sirsee (09/16/10 08:41 PM)
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#44178 - 11/18/10 03:25 AM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: MelanosDivinity]
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DaVayne
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You have touched upon a sensitive (and important) aspect of Satanic thought, especially as it applies to lesser magic. To consider what others think of you is a twofold concern: either you consider how others perceive you in a passive way, or you consider how others perceive you in an active way.
To alter your appearance, attitude, voice, or whatever, to simply appease others around you would be a passive form of considering how they think about you. This is a form of slavery. On the other hand, if you were to cultivate an appearance, attitude, voice, or whatever, in order to control how others perceive you -- that would be an active form of considering how others think about you. This, more active, approach gives you a self-defined and self-aware form of leverage: a tool or a weapon in any given situation.
In the world at large, we seek the approval of our fellow men so that we might walk among them undetected. We speak their words, agree with their bullshit, and become something of demagogues in order to gain leverage over them. This concept, if used in a rational and aware state of mind, becomes our tool and our weapon. It is not done to satisfy the "scared little child" in us who seeks the approval of others. Rather, it is done in an awakened state, with control in mind. But when it comes to others of our kind, a modicum of respect must be initiated. You must, indeed, know yourself -- and you needn't seek my approval (or that of anyone else in this forum). Those newbies who define themselves by "kissing ass" will be discarded as chaff, and are hardly your (or anyone else's) concern.
Now, for you to decide not to "judge others" is itself a judgement upon those who do judge others; and since you cannot stand outside yourself, you've not the objective clarity to pass judgement upon yourself. Who you are is who you define yourself to be . . . and that confers nothing upon anyone else, either here or in the outside world.
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#44179 - 11/18/10 03:39 AM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: Syn_Holliday]
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DaVayne
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I remember walking around Hollywood with a bunch of other Satanists, and one of them getting really excited, with a big smile say to me, "Did you see the looks on those people's faces? They totally disapprove of us!" And all I could think was, what a dork.
Seeking disapproval for the sake of gaining approval. Hmm.
Well put, my friend. It's the irony factor in action!
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#44626 - 12/05/10 04:11 PM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
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Exactly right and this is what 'the herd' and often many Satanists never realize. There is a difference between seeking approval and gaining approval.
If you are seeking approval because you are weak and unsure of yourself or have a slave-like relationship with others, you are likely already lost to the herd.
If on the other hand, you are gaining approval of others when you need it for your own benefit (work, lust, power, etc.), there is nothing to be worried about or ashamed of. In fact, some of the most powerful people in every walk of life are the very best at doing just that, gaining your approval.
I'll quote an extremely successful approval getter here to make a point about questions like this, "If you have to ask, then you probably can’t afford it” J. P. Morgan
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#46773 - 01/14/11 01:46 PM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: Lucifer Rising]
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mr.x
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I plead to the fifth on all the comments you all posted on here.Sorry,I have to disagree with every one of your silly statements.The stupidest most unintellegent thing an individual could do is seek approval from another human being,especially if tha human being is lower than him.In my Satanic Organization,[I wish not to reveal the name here]everybody is equal and nobody thinks they are better than anybody.We beleive strongly in UNITY not the other way around.We beleive in Satan as a real DEITY.I dont know what Satanic organizations you people belong to,and I dont care to know.All Ive seen and read in these posts on here in the last 3 months is cyberbulling.Sorry to say I grew out of that stage years ago and I think some of you people need to grow up,thats if you are really true satanists as you say you are. Ave Satanas.
Edited by mr.x (01/14/11 01:54 PM)
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#46774 - 01/14/11 01:49 PM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
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mr.x
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Another thing I may like to add to is I dont have a problem with Satanists bashing other religons or christianity.I have a problem with Satanists bashing other Satanists.I just thought I would throw that in there too.
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#46782 - 01/14/11 02:46 PM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: mabon2010]
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mr.x
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I am not a Laveyan Satanist but I respect your opinion.I have read all of Anton Laveys books and if it werent for the Satanic Bible I probabaly would have never found Satanism.I am in a different organization which has been around thousands of years and we study the ancient ways.We have been criticised as I might say Dungeons and Dragon roleplayers.Lavey was not the first to discover Satanism but to expose it to the public.Many were fascinated at the time and some were just downright pissed off.Ask yourself where do you think Lavey got all his traditions,rituals etc. from.And no,Im not saying all Satanists should be nice to each other.Everybody has got thier own opinion and views. Ave Satanas
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#46784 - 01/14/11 03:00 PM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: mabon2010]
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Jake999
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600Club is mainly made up of Laveyan Satanists, nobody is equal and few of the membership worship entities. Here Satanists eat you after they have had a little play.
I've seen this said here and elsewhere, and while many here have been INFLUENCED by Anton LaVey and The Satanic Bible, it would be wrong to label the vast majority of people here as "LaVeyan" Satanists. They are simply individuals that have found they are in agreement with SOME of the ideas of Anton LaVey, and from that very tenuous standpoint, go off in wildly divergent directions.
The term itself is a misnomer, since when LaVey codified Satanism under The Church of Satan, there were no "SATANIC" groups around. There were of course those who used the name Satan, but mostly from what we would today term "theistic" angle... Father Satan, vs "Satan as one's brother... part of oneself."
Those who were in the Pre-Bartonian/Gilmorian/Nadramian Church of Satan are a whole different animal than those who have come since.
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#46786 - 01/14/11 03:05 PM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
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6Satan6Archist6
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Edit: This is, of course, addressed to Mr.X and not Jake.
In my Satanic Organization,[I wish not to reveal the name here]everybody is equal and nobody thinks they are better than anybody.We beleive strongly in UNITY not the other way around
I dont have a problem with Satanists bashing other religons or christianity.I have a problem with Satanists bashing other Satanists.
.And no,Im not saying all Satanists should be nice to each other.
Doesn't talking in circles like that make you dizzy?
Edited by 6Satan6Archist6 (01/14/11 03:06 PM)
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#46791 - 01/14/11 03:17 PM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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mr.x
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What I meant was Other Satanists dont have to be nice to each other on this site.In the organization Im with everybody respects everybody elses values and opinion and we are all brothers and sisters[not on this forum].
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#47869 - 02/02/11 07:37 AM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: MelanosDivinity]
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myk5
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It's well and good to not need the approval of others. But it's not where most humans come from, and I must insist you look again to see if your question is a legitimate query as its very posting seems to belie a care of what others think.
Humiliation would simply not be possible for the person who truly did not care what others thought, so if you believe that describes yourself I invite you to spend a day at the mall with no pants.
I personally feel I have made some progress in this. Not so much I'll dare the mall with no pants. But a circumstance that I cannot help, perhaps my only winter coat has an ugly tear making it unpresentable - I can and will understand the best I can do is blameless and therefore have no shame however other people judge me for it.
For myself, the insight is that to whatever extent I am concerned how other people judge me, they exist in the world likely more worried about how I judge them.
In the case of being a 'newbie' at any endeavor - the others with experience are not just any people, they are the people that know more than you do about the very thing you are interested in. Caring what they think may be useful and practical in allowing you to progress at that thing you are interested in.
I would counsel that any form of occult is perhaps an exception, many people have spent a great deal of time growing egos with no results to point to, such a person can only teach you to be like themselves.
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#47870 - 02/02/11 07:44 AM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
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myk5
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Cyberbullying is a show of weakness, it's reason-d'etre is to camouflage shame with attacks.
It's why almost all people that harass Gay people are gay themselves and far more likely to kill themselves if anyone targeted them for similar harassment.
If you need to bully me, I know I can destroy you.
The way an internet posting can endue in time, cyber bullying can destroy the bully simply by existing online as an enduring record of pettiness and intolerance. It alone can destroy the bullies entire life as prospective employers check backgrounds online and elect to hire prospects that can work well with others....
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#47871 - 02/02/11 08:11 AM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
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myk5
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The lesser magic of manipulating other's perception with presentation - this already exists in the world as principles of fashion. The tv show "What not to wear" and various makeover shows offer basic education in social standards that otherwise may be unconscious.
The mere fact of the 'glamour' of Satanism, means that many attracted to it are already committed to counterculture and may have tattoos and a black wardrobe to match.
Tattoos can prove appealing over an entire lifetime, but generally if your look doesn't become more conservative as you age you will begin to look like a clown. The 18 year old punk rocker in a leather jacket festooned with spikes and chains may look endearing or fun, but a 45 year old man in the exact same look projects 'pathetic' and 'loser'.
I've spent most my life 'blending' while having friends that commit themselves to the counterculture with distended ear lobes and daring piercings. My blending has allowed me to hold straight jobs, be an effective salesman and so forth.
Now that I've been downsized, the jobs I have simply don't require blending and my best shot to succeed is to start my own business as an artist, web developer perhaps silkscreen printer. In that role I have more freedom and I'm considering a new look. Perhaps a business suit festooned with spikes as if it were a young punks leather jacket...? It would mess with perceptions in such a way as to give me a visual brand. I imagine being an artist gives me license to consider this and maybe get away with it.
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#48711 - 02/11/11 08:02 PM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: MelanosDivinity]
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Dark Beauty
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I agree with the OP in deeming the necessity of seeking approval useless.
From personal experiences, I've never sought the approval of my parents, which perhaps, set me at odds with them, and others, my entire life. In relationships and friendships, I was the dominant force so others sought my approval. In career matters, I worked jobs long enough until I could no longer stand slaving away without enjoyment while building someone else's empire. Now, I travel and live in the country I choose, dress as I wish, and work only if I can express myself. Those whom I would have had to gain some sort of approval in normal circumstances would still not necessarily be detrimental to my life, as there are many ways to achieve one's aims in this life.
I, too, wear makeup, but it is only because I do not approve of the condition of my skin so I refuse to go without it. It is not for bewitching men. For my vanity whispers: If I can arouse myself, I can arouse another.
Superficially, we seek approval to obtain jobs or for some sort of power, but this can be seen as more of a flaw of character when shown in other aspects of life.
I have considered myself an outcast my entire life, the black sheep in every way. I never expect to gain someone's approval, and if so, I know it is only temporary and for some selfish or exploitative reason. You must approve of yourself before others will approve of you. To seek approval is to give away power and self-confidence. Humans smell fear and weakness like animals in the wild smell the blood of their wounded prey. But if you choose not to, be wise enough to use this to your advantage instead of for the mere sake of ego greasing, blind conformity, or a stupid desire to belong. For all sheep are eventually led to the slaughter.
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#51920 - 03/29/11 11:32 PM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
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Hegesias
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I only get on with other males in a gym atmosphere. This is because aggression is high and competitiveness is bolstered by encouragement on all sides to better ourselves, for others to better themselves and genuinely make progression all around.
When aggression is repressed such as in nightclubs this is when anxiety and paranoia atmospheres catalyse violence as there is no way to prove to females that you are a suitable mate.
In a gym atmosphere, every male can display and assert his strength, his humour and in a relaxed non exaggerated way, in the presence of equally healthy females, this does not need to come to sexual gratification but actually vents those feelings and creates a relaxed atmosphere of naturalness free from tension. In my experience anyway, there are no negative vibes in gyms, there is healthy aggression and humour between competitive males. Many many females to avoid any kind of petty squabbles over female attention with professionalism all around instead.
Christian people, Muslim people, and even me, all set those things aside when in a positive atmosphere with positive people.
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#51988 - 03/31/11 05:13 PM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
[Re: Diavolo]
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Jake999
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There are so many people who just don't understand the concept of "being one's own god" that I wish that Dr. LaVey had just kept it to himself sometimes... of course, even when it's spelled out, the inherent egomania of some make it a futile effort.
Yes. You ARE in charge of your own life. Yes, you DO take responsibility for your own actions. In accordance with the 11 Rules, you do not complain about those things to which you need not subject yourself. You do, at your own hand, control whether you live or die.
But in a world of gods, interactions do take place and Satanic gods, being creatures of flesh, blood and need, rather than the sterile gossamer of spirit, must at times compromise and must at times consider the flesh, blood and need of other gods as well. You may be an island unto yourself, but unless you're growing your own crops, milling your own clothes and in a love affair with your own hand, others will come into the picture, and like it or not, they too need you to a point and will also be on the path of compromise to fulfill their needs as well.
So, in a world of gods, one remains circumspect. You interact when you can or must, and you make those compromises that you can without losing your sense of self. Will to Power... yeah... sounds good, doesn't it? But WILL negates WILL without common sense and stalemate occurs, in which nothing gets done, and the "gods" become reduced to arguments on trivialities; how many angels can fit on the head of a pin? Who's a Satanist? Does this construct make my ass look fat?
Being one's own god means controlling oneself. Being one's own god means that you place yourself above the trivialities of the trolling, arguing masses, sure of what one believes to be right for his own life, and joyous in that knowledge. If others can see and enjoy it with him, so much the better, but if not, a GOD is just as happy to go it alone. Being one's own god means being in the world, but not OF it. Being one's own god means being that island unto itself, a sovereign country of one, beholden to none, but interacting with others when need or circumstance arises, yet always looking inward to one's own intuition for personal truths, rather than outward to some spiritual pipe dream or some ancient wisdom applicable to ancient times.
Being one's own god is truly entering one's own house justified.
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Bury your dead, pick up your weapon and soldier on.
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#52011 - 04/01/11 12:22 AM
Re: Seeking Approval Of Fellow Men
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Hegesias
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@ Diavolo But that is what Satanism is partly about, expressing ego, being the beast. You refer to yourself as a Satanist, you are Satan. In effect Satan is God and the God is You, and you are the greatest thing in your life, the sun to which the whole world revolves around. @ Hegesias Why do you need to turn anything against yourself? Those that turn against themselves do so because of a conflict between their own internal potentiality and an external enslaving element (example a religion). Nor do you become less, but greater in the Left Hand Path through the empowerment of self, the breaking of chains on your way to become god in your own life.
Turn on myself Mabon? Ask: how can I think if I am obsessed with an idea?
Intellectual crisis is about this place of mind. As the sovereign individual, I have want to experience problems. I present both a warm conclusion and perhaps the coldest conclusion from the same premises. You will hear two voices speaking; one asserts the other objects. This is the ugliest self-sufficiency of man in the immoralist shadow — the free-thinker overcoming inexorable nihilism. The controlling tendencies of my thoughts are nihilist and contrive contrasting emotions, I will come as commentator and critic of my own ideas because these are all I have from my experience and experience of nothing else.
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- to gain the approval of whomever you decide as it benefits you as an individual. We all judge and seek approval in given circumstances, but I would like to think that the Satanist does this from a stand point of "lesser magic" for His or Her own personal gain.
