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#35982 - 02/26/10 09:23 PM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: Room 101]
ta2zz Offline
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Such a typical knee-jerk reaction to a current news story, I expect better here. Some have hit on the issues while most seem to just get swept up in the wave. The biggest issue I see here is this…

I don’t read anywhere that apple is disabling adult software on their products, only that they are no longer selling it through their app store. This is a business decision that apple had to make one way or another. Perhaps they thought family and values would outweigh perversion.

Locally we had a chain of video rental stores called blockbuster and another smaller chain called Tommy K’s. While Blockbuster was family orientated Tommy K’s had X-rated videos as well. Funny both also ran tanning salons but that’s not that relevant to this story. What is relevant is the fact that there are no longer any Tommy K’s yet blockbuster although smaller due to giving half the store size to the tanning salon is still there while I don’t see anymore Tommy K’s. I guess sometimes selling or giving access to porn is not the secret to a good business or longevity.

Now I must admit I’m not an apple user yet, I have been thinking of replacing my Palm T|X with an I-pod touch. I’m sure there is a way to put software on the I-whatever if there is not yet there will soon be. As an example years ago I had a creative nomad (mp3 player) eventually I bought a second party program called “notmad” which allowed me to do many things creative never thought of. A quick search brought me to programs that are supposed to load songs, videos and such to an I-thing so...

Where others see insanity (in apples decision) I only see potential opportunities. Porn on the I-phone is not dead it’s only not available through the I-store. Anyone else see the possibilities for an adult app store?

Ah the world we live in, so many people only seeing what they choose to see.

Now if they were to remotely remove the software you purchased and refunded you the money spent then I would call foul, as this is what Amazon did with the kindle. So far I see nothing wrong with this.

Correct me if I’m wrong please…

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#35986 - 02/27/10 06:07 AM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: ta2zz]
Diavolo Offline
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Of course Apple isn't disabling products on people's phones, they're only cleaning up the app store. A lot got probably to do with the iPad's target audience which will be schools and families.

They have a routine ready to blacklist and remotely remove software on users iphones but as of yet, they didn't used it.

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#35998 - 02/28/10 09:48 PM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: Diavolo]
ta2zz Offline
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I honestly don’t know and I won’t claim to know if this tool exists yet. Therefore until that happens this whole thread could very well be over the fact that McDonald's wont sell me breakfast after 10am.

My point was it is a business decision and it is well within their rights to make.

In my opinion if you’re over 15 and you need to shake your I-thing to watch some photographed boobs shake, you have bigger problems than losing easy access to porn through the Apple store. Apple will not go bankrupt because kids cannot get their jiggle boobs app directly from Apple.

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#36011 - 03/01/10 12:37 PM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: ta2zz]
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The tool to pull apps does exist, Jobs somewhen mentioned it in an interview. It, of course, will only be used, if needed, for the good of the customers.

I doubt Apple will go bankrupt because pre-teens can't jiggle their willy while watching bikini babes but it isn't as much about banning sex from the app-store as it is about having a pretty (and pretty is a mild expression in this case) restrictive regime on what a customer can have or not on the product they bought. A nice comparison I read somewhere is that you have to imagine buying a great DVD-player which only plays movies made by Universal. That's a bit how they work. They decide what you can or can not have on your product and can pull any app at any time for whatever reason. You might buy their products but they still decide what you can or cannot do with it.

Still, it doesn't bother me too much, at best I find it fascinating to see the difference between their image and the reality.

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#36013 - 03/01/10 04:25 PM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: Meq]
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Apple have always preferred to exert as much control as they can over their Software and Hardware. Which is probably why they have been able to create the special 'identity' they are currently seen to have. Apart from the lack of flash on their handheld MP3 and phone products another example would of course be how applications are exclusively available through the app store.

Another good example of Apple's marketing strategy would be how OS X can only legally run on Apple hardware. (The EULA for Snow Leopard doesn't actually forbid running OS X on a PC, it forbids modification of the OS and illegal reproduction, and to run OS X on a PC you have to do one or both due to kernel patching etc). Therefore if you want a proprietary user friendly OS that is good for media and stable, then you have no 'legal' option but to buy their merchandise.

So if tightly controlling both their software and hardware aids in creating an identity that sells, and helps to bring in more profit through limiting a buyers options. Despite attracting criticism, the result is that Apple's strategy is working, at least for now.
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#36029 - 03/02/10 11:31 AM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: Damis]
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I just read the reason why apple cleaned up their app-store and it's amusing at the least.

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Apple last week began banning iPhone apps containing “overtly sexual content.” But on Monday the company said it intends to leave apps from major publishers, such as Playboy and Sports Illustrated, untouched.

In an interview with The New York Times, Apple’s vice president of marketing Phil Schiller explained the company was responding to complaints from concerned parents and female customers.

“It came to the point where we were getting customer complaints from women who found the content getting too degrading and objectionable, as well as parents who were upset with what their kids were able to see,” Schiller told NY Times’ Jenna Wortham.

Though the move is sure to mitigate complaints, and even please some developers turned off by raunchy content cluttering the App Store, it’s questionable why the Playboy and Sports Illustrated apps, which contain images of partially nude women, wouldn’t offend the same customers. Schiller explained that the Playboy and Sports Illustrated apps came from more reputable companies.

“The difference is this is a well-known company with previously published material available broadly in a well-accepted format,” Schiller said.

The retroactive kind-of-sort-of ban of sex-tinged apps is certainly leaving some developers sore. Wortham interviewed Fred Clarke, co-president of a small software company called On the Go Girls, who lost 50 apps as a result of the ban. Clarke had been making thousands of dollars off the App Store, but no longer.

“It’s very hard to go from making a good living to zero,” he said. “This goes farther than sexy content. For developers, how do you know you aren’t going to invest thousands into a business only to find out one day you’ve been cut off?”

Apple from day one has said porn was not allowed in the App Store, so developers instead coded apps that contained only partial nudity. (Some were able to sneak full nudity into their apps, but not for long before Apple slammed the ban hammer.) Apple last year implemented a Parental Controls feature to prevent children from downloading content that Apple deemed “17+.” However, the feature still allows the App Store to display search results for 17+ content even if an iPhone has been configured to prohibit downloading such apps. Clearly, the Parental Controls tool has not been effective in addressing parents’ concerns.


Apple Explains Semi-Ban of Sex Apps

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#36030 - 03/02/10 11:39 AM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: Diavolo]
6Satan6Archist6 Offline
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Okay......

I am really annoyed by women who complain that porn is degrading to women. No one forces women to get into that field of work so if porn is degrading to women then it is the woman's fault. Really I think the only women who consider it degrading are just jealous because no one would pay them to get naked. Don't like it? That has a very simple solution: DON'T FUCKING LOOK AT IT!

And what is with these parents who are upset about what their children can see? Why are they even buying their kids iPhones to begin with it? And surely the kids have already been exposed to similar stuff. It is ludicrous for the parents to think they can shield there kids from things of that nature. If they don't come across it via the iPhone application store they will come across it some other way.

Even though such a move seems retarded to me, Apple shouldn't decide what is and what isn't okay for me to look at, they are well within in their right to block what ever they want from their product just as I am well within my right to not buy said product.
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#36040 - 03/02/10 08:00 PM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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One unintended side-effect of Apple's move is likely to be a huge number of "jailbroken" iPhones and iPads, complete with a nice pirate black market of banned porn apps.

I also concur with 6, in that Apple appears to have allowed their policies to be influenced by the "all heat and little light" of radical feminism.

What I'm wondering is, if an iPhone has "adult" content blocked, why isn't it blocked from the app search (much as Google Images uses a mature content filter by default)?

If only Apple had used such a filter by default, with a password-protected option to enable potentially offensive content (for parents buying iPhones for their kids), together with a disclaimer that disabling the filter might reveal content which may cause offense - this problem wouldn't even have been an issue.


As for the companies who were selling porn apps for the iPhone, and recently lost money. They knew they were breaking Apple's terms and conditions from the start, although perhaps they had been lulled into a false sense of security by Apple's failure to enforce their rules until recently.


Edited by Meq (03/02/10 08:06 PM)
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