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#35910 - 02/23/10 03:01 AM Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps
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Late last week, Apple notified developer Chillifresh that its Wobble iBoobs application was being removed from the App Store due to its "overtly sexual" nature. Since then, it appears that Apple has gone on a rampage of sex-oriented app removals...

Chillifresh claimed in a Saturday post that a discussion with Apple revealed that more than 5,000 apps have been affected by its new App Store content policy.

While some have complained about such 'adult' software, I personally prefer an open system where you can obtain and run whatever kind of software you want.

I expect the iPad will face similar limitations too.

Is it just me, or is Apple becoming a bit Big Brother-ish?

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#35913 - 02/23/10 04:47 AM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: Meq]
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It's your toy, you spent a lot of money on it. You should be damn well able to put whatever kind of porn you want on it.

I think until it hits them in the money, or bad publicity, Apple is just going to go all prude and limit everyone's content.

5,000 apps is a lot, that means it affects a lot of users. Thus unless people bitch, nothing will happen.

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#35916 - 02/23/10 05:01 AM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: Morgan]
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I think Apple is following a kinda silly path. Their last horrible creation is just amazing. Job's recent attack on flash and the exclusion of it is funny if you look at it in the light of being potential app-store competition. Who would buy their apps when the stuff would be freely or cheaply available online?

And about banning sex. Sex sells. Ban it and you risk losing your customers to the competition.

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#35918 - 02/23/10 06:19 AM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
And about banning sex. Sex sells. Ban it and you risk losing your customers to the competition.

Indeed. One of the reasons VHS video was so popular back in the day (and trounced the superior Betamax) was because of the huge number of bootleg porno videos available for it.

In 2010, adults expect to be able to download porn and play pornographic apps and games, whether Flash-based or otherwise.

Surely the best solution would be to use a content filter by default for the app store, so potentially offensive app content is not shown unless this is wanted. This would please both the prudes and those after some one-handed portable gaming. The fact that Apple decided to go down the blanket ban route is very telling. That expensive toy does not in reality belong to you, it belongs to Apple...

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#35920 - 02/23/10 06:58 AM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: Diavolo]
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The naming of the iPad is also somewhat amusing in light of this YouTube video which has been up for 3 and a half years now:



I wonder... did they genuinely miss that or just hoped people wouldn't notice?

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#35922 - 02/23/10 07:58 AM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: Meq]
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Apple has been "Big Brother-ish" for years now. They are the most anal-retentive company I've ever heard about. They only thing they have going for them is the fact that their products are awesome. However their service, their prices for aforementioned products, and the manner in which they force the consumer to bend to THEIR will instead of catering to the consumer's needs, you'd think would be enough to keep people away from Apple.

I hate Apple on principle, but I use an ipod for the mp3 player in my truck. Ahhh, hypocrisy!
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#35923 - 02/23/10 10:59 AM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: Nemesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Nemesis
The only thing they have going for them is the fact that their products are awesome.

Mostly at least. The iPad doesn't look "awesome" by any stretch of the imagination. More like an overpriced and underpowered netbook with no Flash support, no multitasking, a crappy iPhone OS and (in the iPhone mold) Apple-censored apps.

Did I mention it's quite a bit slower than the refurbished netbook I picked up for under half the price? I have no problem playing porno Flash games on that either, hell it even runs GTA Vice City at a playable speed, and Photoshop CS3 and MS Office 2007 run pretty well (so would Office 2010). On Windows 7 Ultimate to boot. Let's see the iPad do that ;\)

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#35924 - 02/23/10 11:17 AM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: Meq]
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Orwell was right.

OK, to avoid making a one-line post I have to say that I think Apple has messed up big-time here with its over-zealous approach to (presumably) maintaining "family values" or some such. Sex does indeed sell and I believe consumers are going to find this latest development pitiful and off-putting. Surely porn doesn't randomly flood your iPhone when you're checking the weather report, for example? *Immediately visualizes pictures to accompany warnings of a cold front and sudden showers down south* \:\)
People can choose what they see, can't they? Or are they really so incapable? Hang on, I just remembered where I am so that's probably a rhetorical question. ;\)
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#35925 - 02/23/10 11:17 AM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: Meq]
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It is bad enough that the iPhone is incredibly over priced and does not come with a warm wet hole. Taking away porn is going too far; people need their porn! I never had any intention of getting an iPhone but now I will definitely stick with my Razor. Motorolla doesn't care if I want to look at porn on my phone ;\)
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#35926 - 02/23/10 11:23 AM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: Meq]
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They'll probably launch "upgraded" iPad versions soon, including some of the essentials now lacking. That's how you make cash; you launch something on the market, have all the Apple-fanatics buy it because it is Apple and then you launch a new and slightly better version to make them sell their shit and invest in the new version again.

If there is one thing I do like about Apple, it's how they make their users feel unique by selling them just another mass-consumer product like all the others do.

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#35927 - 02/23/10 01:06 PM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
If there is one thing I do like about Apple, it's how they make their users feel unique by selling them just another mass-consumer product like all the others do.

Aye, but not just ANY product. The high price tags are a status symbol for many, giving customers the impression of belonging to a classy elite little club reserved for those able (and willing) to cough up.
Reminds me of the old slogan of Stella Artois, "Reassuringly Expensive". (Always used to make me laugh - 'expensive' as an actual selling point.)

If you want to show off some bling bling which will last, get a Rolex. (Wearing one in public might be akin to carrying around a huge "Rob Me" banner, but that's besides the point...)

It might actually still be worth something in 5 years time, unlike silicon which doubles in power every 18 months, turning your once impressive gadget into a relative pile of junk in no time. Sure, many keep old hardware for nostalgic reasons, but the bottom line is that a more capable product WILL come out for less - and much sooner than you may like.

The latest Apple product is hardly an investment. Still, if you have plenty of disposable income (with the emphasis on 'disposable'), knock yourself out ;\)


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#35939 - 02/23/10 09:53 PM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: Meq]
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This doesn't surprise me at all. A little while back I came across this article ( http://www.cracked.com/article_18377_5-reasons-you-should-be-scared-apple.html ) detailing the various over the top type crap that Apple pulls.

Then again with the way some people go crazy over anything with the apple logo, they kinda deserve what they get.



Edited by Shadow Dragon (02/23/10 09:54 PM)
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#35954 - 02/25/10 01:41 PM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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Apple products are pretty Maw, even the bags and boxes they come in make you feel all warm and fuzzy.

I was in the Apple shop in Glasgow, and I have to say, my wallet nearly fainted. There was so much gadgetry on hand; I just about had to change my slacks.

But the sales staff.....erg, forget about it. Talk about high pressure sales.

Upon entering the shop I was greeted by a gimp in red, whose name tag informed me his name was Gavin;

“Laptop, or desktop? What your preference?”

“Well” I replied, “I’m a little of both, but I’m just in here to get my sister an iPod touch.”

“Ah, then you might be interested in our notebook range, they are of course compatible with the touch, and can be used for a multitude of tasks.”

“No, really, it’s just the 32gb touch I’m looking at today”

“Well we have the iphone here; it has all the functionality of the touch and a great deal more. The operating system is the same as the touch, so if you have both, there will be little confusion when switching between the two.”

“Yes, I’m sure that is very handy if you own both, but I’m simply interested in the touch.”

“Right you are sir, what version of the touch are you interested in getting her?”

“Well, I was thinking of the 16gb first or maybe the 32gb version, but because she is in university and is studying photography, I figured that a larger memory might be the better option, what with here need to move allot of pictorial data.”

“Are you sure that the 64 GB might not be the best option?”

“No, I’m sure. Just the 32 GB.”

“Does she have a printer and a laptop? A friend of mine was at university doing something quite similar and he needed....”

“Yes she has both”

“Is she happy with them? You do realise that no computer system on earth is suited to multimedia like the apple, and our printers are top of the line...”

“Yes, she is ecstatic. Ring this up for would you.”

“Of course sir, would you like to pay but cash or by card?”

“Card”

“Okey doke....would you like to by an iTunes gift certificate?”

Irritation personified was our Gavin.

And now the crackdown on porn/happy pants fun time apps...its a joke.

They need to watch their step with this one.

Can you imagin if their Safari browser starts blocking porn? The streets would be chock a block with irritated Graphics designers and tetchy Sound engineers.




Edited by Room 101 (02/25/10 02:02 PM)
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#35956 - 02/25/10 02:00 PM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: Room 101]
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Yes, they're worse than furniture store salesmen. Unless you really have no idea what to buy, stay away from their stores. My boyfriend bought iPod touches for both him and myself at one of the big US wholesale stores, Sam's Club (which is a wholesale Walmart). While there wasn't any flashy demonstrations to play with, there were no salespeople jumping down your throat to add shit to your purchase. You just take a purchase card to the checkout, and the cashier will run and get it for you. Pay. Leave. Simple.
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#35957 - 02/25/10 02:08 PM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: Nemesis]
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Having never been in one before, my curiosity got the better of me and I ventured inside. Despite knowing EXACTLY what I wanted, I was still hard pressed to keep the braying moron off my back. I dare say that in future, I shall reserve my spending to online shopping or failing that, large electronic shops.

I doubt I will venture into another, even for the iPad.
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#35982 - 02/26/10 09:23 PM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: Room 101]
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Such a typical knee-jerk reaction to a current news story, I expect better here. Some have hit on the issues while most seem to just get swept up in the wave. The biggest issue I see here is this…

I don’t read anywhere that apple is disabling adult software on their products, only that they are no longer selling it through their app store. This is a business decision that apple had to make one way or another. Perhaps they thought family and values would outweigh perversion.

Locally we had a chain of video rental stores called blockbuster and another smaller chain called Tommy K’s. While Blockbuster was family orientated Tommy K’s had X-rated videos as well. Funny both also ran tanning salons but that’s not that relevant to this story. What is relevant is the fact that there are no longer any Tommy K’s yet blockbuster although smaller due to giving half the store size to the tanning salon is still there while I don’t see anymore Tommy K’s. I guess sometimes selling or giving access to porn is not the secret to a good business or longevity.

Now I must admit I’m not an apple user yet, I have been thinking of replacing my Palm T|X with an I-pod touch. I’m sure there is a way to put software on the I-whatever if there is not yet there will soon be. As an example years ago I had a creative nomad (mp3 player) eventually I bought a second party program called “notmad” which allowed me to do many things creative never thought of. A quick search brought me to programs that are supposed to load songs, videos and such to an I-thing so...

Where others see insanity (in apples decision) I only see potential opportunities. Porn on the I-phone is not dead it’s only not available through the I-store. Anyone else see the possibilities for an adult app store?

Ah the world we live in, so many people only seeing what they choose to see.

Now if they were to remotely remove the software you purchased and refunded you the money spent then I would call foul, as this is what Amazon did with the kindle. So far I see nothing wrong with this.

Correct me if I’m wrong please…

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#35986 - 02/27/10 06:07 AM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: ta2zz]
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Of course Apple isn't disabling products on people's phones, they're only cleaning up the app store. A lot got probably to do with the iPad's target audience which will be schools and families.

They have a routine ready to blacklist and remotely remove software on users iphones but as of yet, they didn't used it.

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#35998 - 02/28/10 09:48 PM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: Diavolo]
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I honestly don’t know and I won’t claim to know if this tool exists yet. Therefore until that happens this whole thread could very well be over the fact that McDonald's wont sell me breakfast after 10am.

My point was it is a business decision and it is well within their rights to make.

In my opinion if you’re over 15 and you need to shake your I-thing to watch some photographed boobs shake, you have bigger problems than losing easy access to porn through the Apple store. Apple will not go bankrupt because kids cannot get their jiggle boobs app directly from Apple.

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#36011 - 03/01/10 12:37 PM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: ta2zz]
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The tool to pull apps does exist, Jobs somewhen mentioned it in an interview. It, of course, will only be used, if needed, for the good of the customers.

I doubt Apple will go bankrupt because pre-teens can't jiggle their willy while watching bikini babes but it isn't as much about banning sex from the app-store as it is about having a pretty (and pretty is a mild expression in this case) restrictive regime on what a customer can have or not on the product they bought. A nice comparison I read somewhere is that you have to imagine buying a great DVD-player which only plays movies made by Universal. That's a bit how they work. They decide what you can or can not have on your product and can pull any app at any time for whatever reason. You might buy their products but they still decide what you can or cannot do with it.

Still, it doesn't bother me too much, at best I find it fascinating to see the difference between their image and the reality.

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#36013 - 03/01/10 04:25 PM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: Meq]
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Apple have always preferred to exert as much control as they can over their Software and Hardware. Which is probably why they have been able to create the special 'identity' they are currently seen to have. Apart from the lack of flash on their handheld MP3 and phone products another example would of course be how applications are exclusively available through the app store.

Another good example of Apple's marketing strategy would be how OS X can only legally run on Apple hardware. (The EULA for Snow Leopard doesn't actually forbid running OS X on a PC, it forbids modification of the OS and illegal reproduction, and to run OS X on a PC you have to do one or both due to kernel patching etc). Therefore if you want a proprietary user friendly OS that is good for media and stable, then you have no 'legal' option but to buy their merchandise.

So if tightly controlling both their software and hardware aids in creating an identity that sells, and helps to bring in more profit through limiting a buyers options. Despite attracting criticism, the result is that Apple's strategy is working, at least for now.
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#36029 - 03/02/10 11:31 AM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: Damis]
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I just read the reason why apple cleaned up their app-store and it's amusing at the least.

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Apple last week began banning iPhone apps containing “overtly sexual content.” But on Monday the company said it intends to leave apps from major publishers, such as Playboy and Sports Illustrated, untouched.

In an interview with The New York Times, Apple’s vice president of marketing Phil Schiller explained the company was responding to complaints from concerned parents and female customers.

“It came to the point where we were getting customer complaints from women who found the content getting too degrading and objectionable, as well as parents who were upset with what their kids were able to see,” Schiller told NY Times’ Jenna Wortham.

Though the move is sure to mitigate complaints, and even please some developers turned off by raunchy content cluttering the App Store, it’s questionable why the Playboy and Sports Illustrated apps, which contain images of partially nude women, wouldn’t offend the same customers. Schiller explained that the Playboy and Sports Illustrated apps came from more reputable companies.

“The difference is this is a well-known company with previously published material available broadly in a well-accepted format,” Schiller said.

The retroactive kind-of-sort-of ban of sex-tinged apps is certainly leaving some developers sore. Wortham interviewed Fred Clarke, co-president of a small software company called On the Go Girls, who lost 50 apps as a result of the ban. Clarke had been making thousands of dollars off the App Store, but no longer.

“It’s very hard to go from making a good living to zero,” he said. “This goes farther than sexy content. For developers, how do you know you aren’t going to invest thousands into a business only to find out one day you’ve been cut off?”

Apple from day one has said porn was not allowed in the App Store, so developers instead coded apps that contained only partial nudity. (Some were able to sneak full nudity into their apps, but not for long before Apple slammed the ban hammer.) Apple last year implemented a Parental Controls feature to prevent children from downloading content that Apple deemed “17+.” However, the feature still allows the App Store to display search results for 17+ content even if an iPhone has been configured to prohibit downloading such apps. Clearly, the Parental Controls tool has not been effective in addressing parents’ concerns.


Apple Explains Semi-Ban of Sex Apps

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#36030 - 03/02/10 11:39 AM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: Diavolo]
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Okay......

I am really annoyed by women who complain that porn is degrading to women. No one forces women to get into that field of work so if porn is degrading to women then it is the woman's fault. Really I think the only women who consider it degrading are just jealous because no one would pay them to get naked. Don't like it? That has a very simple solution: DON'T FUCKING LOOK AT IT!

And what is with these parents who are upset about what their children can see? Why are they even buying their kids iPhones to begin with it? And surely the kids have already been exposed to similar stuff. It is ludicrous for the parents to think they can shield there kids from things of that nature. If they don't come across it via the iPhone application store they will come across it some other way.

Even though such a move seems retarded to me, Apple shouldn't decide what is and what isn't okay for me to look at, they are well within in their right to block what ever they want from their product just as I am well within my right to not buy said product.
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#36040 - 03/02/10 08:00 PM Re: Apple crack down on iPhone porn apps [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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One unintended side-effect of Apple's move is likely to be a huge number of "jailbroken" iPhones and iPads, complete with a nice pirate black market of banned porn apps.

I also concur with 6, in that Apple appears to have allowed their policies to be influenced by the "all heat and little light" of radical feminism.

What I'm wondering is, if an iPhone has "adult" content blocked, why isn't it blocked from the app search (much as Google Images uses a mature content filter by default)?

If only Apple had used such a filter by default, with a password-protected option to enable potentially offensive content (for parents buying iPhones for their kids), together with a disclaimer that disabling the filter might reveal content which may cause offense - this problem wouldn't even have been an issue.


As for the companies who were selling porn apps for the iPhone, and recently lost money. They knew they were breaking Apple's terms and conditions from the start, although perhaps they had been lulled into a false sense of security by Apple's failure to enforce their rules until recently.


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