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#35969 - 02/26/10 12:53 AM stereotypes
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The stereotypes associated with satanists are "evil." Those who actually read the Satanic Bible, however, will find that Satanism is beyond good and evil. This idea reminds me of a quote by Anne Rice, which is, "evil is a point of view." The Satanic Bible exposes christianity as a hoax. Therefore, it seems the only people who really consider satanists "evil," are people who follow white light religions themselves. It is hypocritical for them to think they are "good," when they are simply brainwashed. The Satanic Bible is not a book of evil, it is, merely, an illuminating book of facts about spirituality.
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#35971 - 02/26/10 03:16 AM Re: stereotypes [Re: Miss May]
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 Originally Posted By: Miss May
Therefore, it seems the only people who really consider satanists "evil," are people who follow white light religions themselves. It is hypocritical for them to think they are "good," when they are simply brainwashed.

Secular humanists of an altruistic bent will also be opposed to the ideals of Satanism, as it represents an egoistic philosophy at odds with the humanist ideals of some, which are ultimately derived from the Judeo-Christian tradition (merely shaved of metaphysical baggage, i.e. God).

The same can be said of socialism and Marxism, which are at odds with most interpretations of Satanism, which instead stresses the importance of power, "might is right" and stratification, together with individual liberty over equality. And yes, even without God, opposing camps usually fucking hate each other.

 Originally Posted By: Miss May
The Satanic Bible is not a book of evil, it is, merely, an illuminating book of facts about spirituality.

It may perhaps be more accurately called a book of philosophy and poetry about carnality.
One's real spirit or soul is the beast, the human animal, beyond any socially acceptable veneer.

As for the label of Satanist, well, the reality of the world is that it is a suspicious name to be calling yourself in most people's minds. It has a strong public stereotype as you are aware, fuelled by fear and ignorance (and which LaVey was also strongly aware of, and happy to exploit). Goats, virgins, babies, and worshipping the Christian devil are what pops into people's heads.

This needs to be kept in mind if one wants to openly use a label such as Satanist. It may well attract hostility and unwanted attention from some. Satanism does not promote martyrdom, so rational self-interest is important when making such a decision.


Edited by Meq (02/26/10 03:51 AM)
Edit Reason: Added more on stereotypes.

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#35975 - 02/26/10 01:15 PM Re: stereotypes [Re: Meq]
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Let them have their stereotypes.

There are those out there that use Satanism as an excuse for their own morally objectionable vices (rape, murder...a love of show tunes).These people, perpetuate a myth surrounding those of the left hand path.

All we can do as actual Satanists is live our lives. Nothing else we do will even make an impact on the minds of the ignorant masses; those who still believe in an imaginary friend, and consider the bible as scientifically proven doctorate. And frankly, i couldn’t give a fuck what “they” think.

The more we try to assure people that we do not meet their concept of a Satanist, the more they will think we are hiding something. Why bother.
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#35991 - 02/27/10 09:55 PM Re: stereotypes [Re: Room 101]
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Stereotypes are a matter of perspective. They are the view of those who don’t “get it”, whether it be baseball, heavy metal, conservatism, nipple rings, whatever. I personally don’t get NASCAR racing. To me, it’s just a bunch of cars going around in circles. To others, it’s practically a way of life. Who’s right? Who’s wrong? Both and neither.

I try to understand others, to see their point of view – but I know I’m not above stereotyping. At the same time, I try not to get worked up when others stereotype me or something I “get” that they don’t. It’s human nature to stereotype, and frankly all the different perspectives make life more interesting (and exasperating) than it would otherwise be.

Stereotypes are a fact of life, and those who are wise will find a way to use them to their advantage.
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#36078 - 03/04/10 06:27 PM Re: stereotypes [Re: Miss May]
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Open minded people have no stereotypes. It is rather a matter of logic than of brainwashing. "Evil" and "good " exist together. Hypocricy is the proof.
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#36085 - 03/05/10 05:45 AM Re: stereotypes [Re: spiral]
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Open minded people have no stereotypes.


Open minded people often allow a lot of garbage to fill their minds, and feel the need to accept every piece of bullshit as “possibly having validity.”

Objective people on the other hand can consider opposing views and decide which ones to open their minds to as possibly having some merit.
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#36087 - 03/05/10 07:07 AM Re: stereotypes [Re: Asmedious]
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 Originally Posted By: Asmedious


Open minded people often allow a lot of garbage to fill their minds, and feel the need to accept every piece of bullshit as “possibly having validity.”

Objective people on the other hand can consider opposing views and decide which ones to open their minds to as possibly having some merit.



Amen to that.

Terminally open-minded people operate without bullshit filters. You can see it in some of the new age flakes and people consumed by every new product that comes on the market, touted as "bigger and better." They have an open mind, and they buy into it... "10,000,000 cereal eaters can't be wrong!" Same thing with people consumed with conspiracies. They accept. Period. Critical thinking (one's bullshit filters) don't come into play because their mind is open, rather than guarded.
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#36093 - 03/05/10 02:27 PM Re: stereotypes [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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Most likely the people became caught up in the emotions provoked by the issue of discussion, instead of looking at it from a logical point of view. The moral conflicts on the subject would've been useful had they found a reasonable way to back it up. Some things are consuming to people emotionally. Funny enough, it's their "conscience" that ends up screwing them over in the end.

I admit I have run into this problem within myself, but I recognize it as pointless. Proving a point requires critical thinking and a person's opinions, no matter how many people agree with them or not, have no lasting impressions. Hard evidence is the only thing that can win an argument; an opinion will only prolong the argument.

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#36094 - 03/05/10 03:03 PM Re: stereotypes [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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This part here threw me for a bit of a loop:

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One student stated she would willingly kill a person as revenge for having killed her family, and happily be executed for it.


So far so good, but when you said:
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I said she was being selfish in that she considered her own moral imperatives superior to those of others and of the state.


I’m not sure why that response of yours pissed her off.

Not sure what the “right” response would have been, but I would have answered, “Yes I do.”

End of argument?




Edited by Asmedious (03/05/10 03:03 PM)
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#36103 - 03/05/10 07:27 PM Re: stereotypes [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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Right or wrong according to intelligence is in most cases irrelevant, what matters to most people is what is being positively affirmed by their peers.

That girl felt justified because her peers affirmed what she believed, regardless of any true understanding of what it was she thought she knew.

If someone is told one way, but then affirmed the other, they will more than likely follow the energy.

On a sidenote though, i disagree with capital punishment and the justice system as it is now. I think what should be done is to turn every prison into a mental "hospital" with bars of course, and subject them to endless hours of therapy.

Crime would stop being cool and anyone who commits a crime would instead be seen as having a mental problem. It would vanish overnight! =P

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#36110 - 03/06/10 01:42 AM Re: stereotypes [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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 Originally Posted By: MawhrinSkel
Your answer would have satisfied me.

She felt morally superior in that she was acting on selfless grounds. By taking away her selfless motivation she felt selfish and thereby unjustified.

So yeah, your answer would have been correct in my eyes.


Interesting. I personally find it rather sad that (under these hypothetical circumstances) someone would feel such "selfishness" to be morally reprehensible. Of course, I'm much older than your student and, presumably, looking at life from a different perspective. Just out of interest, MawhrinSkel, why did you affirm her feeling of selfishness as a negative one? It seems an odd thing for a Satanist to do. Surely, a healthy, selfish act of revenge is justifiable to the Satanic ego? Or was your motivation to challenge what you perceived as a knee-jerk and not "selfless" reaction on her behalf to the moral question?
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#36120 - 03/06/10 07:01 AM Re: stereotypes [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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Ah, OK, I get you now. Thank you. As a professional educator I agree.
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#36277 - 03/12/10 07:47 PM Re: stereotypes [Re: Miss May]
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Society has become stereotypical! Mankind tries to rationalize everthing! And that makes no fucking sense! The universe is chaotic and has always been that way! To say there is "good" and "evil" to explain people's behavior is just the belief system put on by the Right Hand Path! We are primal at nature and today's society is trying to domesticate us " Fuck Society and Fuck what's politically correct!"
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#37029 - 03/25/10 08:25 PM Re: stereotypes [Re: Asmedious]
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Maybe you're right.

I believe "objective" has a stronger meaning than "open-minded", it is more difficult to be objective, than being opened minded. It's rather easy to say you're opened-minded, but it is very difficult to say you're objective. In fact, it's easier to prove you're opened-minded, than to prove you're objective. It's easier to say you're open to anything, than saying you're closed to garbage. It has some strength of character in it. Some kind of virtue.

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#37407 - 04/06/10 03:01 AM Re: stereotypes [Re: Miss May]
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Oops I am running a bit late here, but wanted to comment.

I am of the opinion that stereotypes and labels are just weapons employed by constituencies to define and include or exclude and to reward or punish others. This may be a rather paranoid view, but it tends to marry with my own experience and the experience of others whom I have spoken with. I think it tends to be confirmed through the works of Foucault and Szasz.

The Satanic Bible identifies a rather unique type of individual if one can dispense with the stereotypes and labels which Christian’s and other dishonest ratbags attempt to use to smear and marginalise this work and the individuals it represents.

That individual is the hard, cynical and yet principled animal, coolly evaluating and judging the others, within an unvarnished jungle of cold steel and raw stone, in a world where objects and other animals appear without the mystical kernel or philosophical gloss of belief systems. Good is what you like and evil is what you don’t like.

Reality (the abyss) exists out in the margins and the ratbags can’t handle it or face it, or else they are somehow not programmed to see it?

I feel that Dr. LaVey was right when he identified the Film Noir anti – hero as the quintessential Satanist.

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