#35969 - 02/26/10 12:53 AM
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Miss May
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The stereotypes associated with satanists are "evil." Those who actually read the Satanic Bible, however, will find that Satanism is beyond good and evil. This idea reminds me of a quote by Anne Rice, which is, "evil is a point of view." The Satanic Bible exposes christianity as a hoax. Therefore, it seems the only people who really consider satanists "evil," are people who follow white light religions themselves. It is hypocritical for them to think they are "good," when they are simply brainwashed. The Satanic Bible is not a book of evil, it is, merely, an illuminating book of facts about spirituality.
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#35971 - 02/26/10 03:16 AM
Re: stereotypes
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Meq
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Therefore, it seems the only people who really consider satanists "evil," are people who follow white light religions themselves. It is hypocritical for them to think they are "good," when they are simply brainwashed.
Secular humanists of an altruistic bent will also be opposed to the ideals of Satanism, as it represents an egoistic philosophy at odds with the humanist ideals of some, which are ultimately derived from the Judeo-Christian tradition (merely shaved of metaphysical baggage, i.e. God).
The same can be said of socialism and Marxism, which are at odds with most interpretations of Satanism, which instead stresses the importance of power, "might is right" and stratification, together with individual liberty over equality. And yes, even without God, opposing camps usually fucking hate each other.
The Satanic Bible is not a book of evil, it is, merely, an illuminating book of facts about spirituality.
It may perhaps be more accurately called a book of philosophy and poetry about carnality.
One's real spirit or soul is the beast, the human animal, beyond any socially acceptable veneer.
As for the label of Satanist, well, the reality of the world is that it is a suspicious name to be calling yourself in most people's minds. It has a strong public stereotype as you are aware, fuelled by fear and ignorance (and which LaVey was also strongly aware of, and happy to exploit). Goats, virgins, babies, and worshipping the Christian devil are what pops into people's heads.
This needs to be kept in mind if one wants to openly use a label such as Satanist. It may well attract hostility and unwanted attention from some. Satanism does not promote martyrdom, so rational self-interest is important when making such a decision.
Edited by Meq (02/26/10 03:51 AM)
Edit Reason: Added more on stereotypes.
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#35991 - 02/27/10 09:55 PM
Re: stereotypes
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William Wright
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Stereotypes are a matter of perspective. They are the view of those who don’t “get it”, whether it be baseball, heavy metal, conservatism, nipple rings, whatever. I personally don’t get NASCAR racing. To me, it’s just a bunch of cars going around in circles. To others, it’s practically a way of life. Who’s right? Who’s wrong? Both and neither.
I try to understand others, to see their point of view – but I know I’m not above stereotyping. At the same time, I try not to get worked up when others stereotype me or something I “get” that they don’t. It’s human nature to stereotype, and frankly all the different perspectives make life more interesting (and exasperating) than it would otherwise be.
Stereotypes are a fact of life, and those who are wise will find a way to use them to their advantage.
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#36078 - 03/04/10 06:27 PM
Re: stereotypes
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spiral
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Open minded people have no stereotypes. It is rather a matter of logic than of brainwashing. "Evil" and "good " exist together. Hypocricy is the proof.
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#36085 - 03/05/10 05:45 AM
Re: stereotypes
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Asmedious
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Open minded people have no stereotypes.
Open minded people often allow a lot of garbage to fill their minds, and feel the need to accept every piece of bullshit as “possibly having validity.”
Objective people on the other hand can consider opposing views and decide which ones to open their minds to as possibly having some merit.
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#36087 - 03/05/10 07:07 AM
Re: stereotypes
[Re: Asmedious]
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Jake999
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Open minded people often allow a lot of garbage to fill their minds, and feel the need to accept every piece of bullshit as “possibly having validity.”
Objective people on the other hand can consider opposing views and decide which ones to open their minds to as possibly having some merit.
Amen to that.
Terminally open-minded people operate without bullshit filters. You can see it in some of the new age flakes and people consumed by every new product that comes on the market, touted as "bigger and better." They have an open mind, and they buy into it... "10,000,000 cereal eaters can't be wrong!" Same thing with people consumed with conspiracies. They accept. Period. Critical thinking (one's bullshit filters) don't come into play because their mind is open, rather than guarded.
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#36094 - 03/05/10 03:03 PM
Re: stereotypes
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Asmedious
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This part here threw me for a bit of a loop:
One student stated she would willingly kill a person as revenge for having killed her family, and happily be executed for it.
So far so good, but when you said:
I said she was being selfish in that she considered her own moral imperatives superior to those of others and of the state.
I’m not sure why that response of yours pissed her off.
Not sure what the “right” response would have been, but I would have answered, “Yes I do.”
End of argument?
Edited by Asmedious (03/05/10 03:03 PM)
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#36103 - 03/05/10 07:27 PM
Re: stereotypes
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Leingod
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Right or wrong according to intelligence is in most cases irrelevant, what matters to most people is what is being positively affirmed by their peers.
That girl felt justified because her peers affirmed what she believed, regardless of any true understanding of what it was she thought she knew.
If someone is told one way, but then affirmed the other, they will more than likely follow the energy.
On a sidenote though, i disagree with capital punishment and the justice system as it is now. I think what should be done is to turn every prison into a mental "hospital" with bars of course, and subject them to endless hours of therapy.
Crime would stop being cool and anyone who commits a crime would instead be seen as having a mental problem. It would vanish overnight! =P
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#36110 - 03/06/10 01:42 AM
Re: stereotypes
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felixgarnet
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Your answer would have satisfied me.
She felt morally superior in that she was acting on selfless grounds. By taking away her selfless motivation she felt selfish and thereby unjustified.
So yeah, your answer would have been correct in my eyes.
Interesting. I personally find it rather sad that (under these hypothetical circumstances) someone would feel such "selfishness" to be morally reprehensible. Of course, I'm much older than your student and, presumably, looking at life from a different perspective. Just out of interest, MawhrinSkel, why did you affirm her feeling of selfishness as a negative one? It seems an odd thing for a Satanist to do. Surely, a healthy, selfish act of revenge is justifiable to the Satanic ego? Or was your motivation to challenge what you perceived as a knee-jerk and not "selfless" reaction on her behalf to the moral question?
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#37029 - 03/25/10 08:25 PM
Re: stereotypes
[Re: Asmedious]
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spiral
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Registered: 01/31/10
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Maybe you're right.
I believe "objective" has a stronger meaning than "open-minded", it is more difficult to be objective, than being opened minded. It's rather easy to say you're opened-minded, but it is very difficult to say you're objective. In fact, it's easier to prove you're opened-minded, than to prove you're objective. It's easier to say you're open to anything, than saying you're closed to garbage. It has some strength of character in it. Some kind of virtue.
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#37407 - 04/06/10 03:01 AM
Re: stereotypes
[Re: Miss May]
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MatthewJ1
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Oops I am running a bit late here, but wanted to comment.
I am of the opinion that stereotypes and labels are just weapons employed by constituencies to define and include or exclude and to reward or punish others. This may be a rather paranoid view, but it tends to marry with my own experience and the experience of others whom I have spoken with. I think it tends to be confirmed through the works of Foucault and Szasz.
The Satanic Bible identifies a rather unique type of individual if one can dispense with the stereotypes and labels which Christian’s and other dishonest ratbags attempt to use to smear and marginalise this work and the individuals it represents.
That individual is the hard, cynical and yet principled animal, coolly evaluating and judging the others, within an unvarnished jungle of cold steel and raw stone, in a world where objects and other animals appear without the mystical kernel or philosophical gloss of belief systems. Good is what you like and evil is what you don’t like.
Reality (the abyss) exists out in the margins and the ratbags can’t handle it or face it, or else they are somehow not programmed to see it?
I feel that Dr. LaVey was right when he identified the Film Noir anti – hero as the quintessential Satanist.
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#39579 - 06/26/10 07:18 PM
Re: stereotypes
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spiral
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I think there's no brainswashing, just hypocrisy.
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#39580 - 06/26/10 07:29 PM
Re: stereotypes
[Re: spiral]
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Protected
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Registered: 06/24/10
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Loc: Australia
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I think there's no brainswashing, just hypocrisy.
Spiral, you may call it what you will but in the end I suppose that it doesn't matter, people are judgemental and stereotypical. Whether this is caused by the constant brainwashing that people undergo from birth, or from the large amounts of hipocrisy doesn't seem to matter as neither, in my view, will ever cease to exist and therefore the problem will remain.
Both of these things lead on to the same thing and unfortunately stereotyping will remain.
- In a world of so many stereotypes, one is left to wonder..
What stereotype do I fit? &
why does stereotyping exist?
Neither of which should matter, I for one do not care in the slightest what people think I am even if i'm not, what they Perceive from me is up to them.
Stereotyping exists, so I don't think that it matters why it does.
This is just MY view and it is not designed to undermine anybody elses.
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#46778 - 01/14/11 02:28 PM
Re: stereotypes
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mr.x
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Are you sure about that bud.I would think long and hard about that statement you just made.Do you realize knowledge is power and only people with an open mind have a gift to recive that knowledge.What Satanic org. are you with anyway?if you dont mind me asking.I dont support people that are self righteous and Ive been encountering quite a few of them on this forum sorry to say.
Edited by mr.x (01/14/11 02:28 PM)
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#46779 - 01/14/11 02:32 PM
Re: stereotypes
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mr.x
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Open minded people have no stereotypes.
Open minded people often allow a lot of garbage to fill their minds, and feel the need to accept every piece of bullshit as “possibly having validity.” Objective people on the other hand can consider opposing views and decide which ones to open their minds to as possibly having some merit.
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#46788 - 01/14/11 03:07 PM
Re: stereotypes
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mr.x
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You dont even know what organization Im with so why even go there.Why stick up for the gentleman That I just replied to,can he not speak for himself.I always go by the saying if you cant dish it in dont dish it out.People are cyberbullying on here and when they are questioned or crticized they go hostile.Nothing you people can say or do can hurt me.Yes,some of you people are cruel,but Im worse.Why even have this forum in existence if you cant deal with other peoples thoughts,views and opinions. Ave Satanas
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#46793 - 01/14/11 03:26 PM
Re: stereotypes
[Re: mr.x]
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Aklo
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You're too funny. There aren't any organizations that have been around for thousands of years, meaning you are either a poser or a dupe. Probably a bit of both. Even the organizations which have been around for hundreds of years, sort of, by Masonic and Eastern derivation, don't accept people whose self-expression is so pitiful.
If you want to challenge our ideas, try being, an actual challenge. As it stands you are just what this thread needed, a stereotypical "devil worshipper". Being aggressively wrong, is not the same, as being right. Not ever.
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#46795 - 01/14/11 03:46 PM
Re: stereotypes
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mr.x
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I can deal with that.I will go away but one thing is all I wanted to do was just get my opinions and my thoughts exposed on this forum.I have browsed and read alot of posts on here and the cyberbullying is just completely out of control and I just felt a rush to get my point across.This is not a winning or losing battle here that I may have provked,for I do choose my battlefields wisely.If I pissed anybody off,thats thier problem because Im pissed off too.The only thing I can say and Ill say it again is dont dish it out if you cant dish it in.You run your forum the way you want. Ave Satanas
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#46797 - 01/14/11 04:31 PM
Re: stereotypes
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Fnord
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Registered: 01/11/10
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Why stick up for the gentleman That I just replied to,can he not speak for himself.
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I have browsed and read alot of posts on here and the cyberbullying is just completely out of control and I just felt a rush to get my point across.
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A challenged sense of irony.
Just who are these nameless and faceless people who've been cyberbullied into oblivion? Did they elect you their champion? Why can they not speak for themselves?
Go polish your goodguy badge elsewhere please. No one is bullied here. I challenge you to link a thread or post where someone was bullied. It should be easy since the bullying here is "just completely out of control". While contemplating on how to respond, you cannot say that I am bullying you now. You came of your own free will and you made a statement that I'm asking you to back up. That is not bullying, that is argument.
This forum is generally for grown ups who have a strong sense of why they are here. We are not Satanism 101 and we don't suffer drama and/or stupidity. If you want to post about your and your friends hurt feelings because people here disagreed with your ideas then please don't do it here as this is decidedly not the forum for that kind of thing.
Of course, the above is representative of only my opinion and I'm not purporting to speak for all.
Attempts to stir that particular pot have not gone well in the past and I can almost assure you that it will not go well now. Add something of value or don't post is a good motto to follow.
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#46798 - 01/14/11 04:39 PM
Re: stereotypes
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6Satan6Archist6
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Actions speak louder than words.
If I pissed anybody off,thats thier problem because Im pissed off too.
I don't think you pissed anyone off...certainly not me. Getting pissed off at something said on the internet, words on a screen, is a waste of energy.
The only thing I can say and Ill say it again is dont dish it out if you cant dish it in.
I believe the expression you are looking for is "don't dish it out if you can't take it". And I agree 100%, however, it seems like you are the one who has trouble taking it as you are the one who took issue with "cyberbulling" in the first place.
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Actually, this subforum is indeed titled Satanism 101. Just sayin'. Aside from that ironic choice of phrase the rest of what you said wasn't off the mark.
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#46804 - 01/14/11 05:14 PM
Re: stereotypes
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mr.x
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Damn, just came on and had to go back to the first page of the thread to figure out what Mr X. was asking me about.
Not sure if he is coming back, but I guess he misunderstood my statement regarding an "open mind," vs. an "objective" mind.
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#46806 - 01/14/11 05:51 PM
Re: stereotypes
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Asmedious
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Ok, but I don't have the time to double check what I write. I have to leave in a few minutes, to go see Jerry Sienfield live. Yay for me.
But anyway, what I meant is that the most common conception of having an "open mind," is that the person will accept any and everything as a possibility based on their inability to DISPROVE someones notion.
It is a common theme among religous types who will tell you that you have to "Keep an open mind." no matter how nutty their ideas are.
IT is also the chant of many New Age types who are desperately searching for some kind of meaning to their lives, as well as hoping to gain some control over things that they are not willing to attempt to control through applied effort.
They will "Keep an open mind," regarding the magical powers of Crystals, although there is no scientific evidence to back up that those crystals can do anything other then look pretty.
They will "Keep an open mind," while sitting under a Dream Catcher shaped like a Pyramid in hopes of gaining...well, what ever the fuck they hope to gain.
In short, my point was that if a person's mind is completely open without being objective, then they can accept any garbage that someone dishes out.
On the other hand, and objective mind will examine a situation using common sense and what ever knowledge of the way the world works have available to them.
This doesn't mean that one has to rule out certain things simply because they do not understand them, but when there is absolutely no tangible evidence to support something they will not automatically accept it as a possibility.
Case and point. The theory of Fourth dimensions as explained by Stephen Hawkins. I attempted to understand what he is trying to explain, but it is way over my head. I can't see or experience Fourth dimensions, however I realize that the man is brilliant and he might be unto something, even though I can't comprehend how he came by his ideas, so use my objective reasoning which allows me to come to the conclusion that there might be something to what he is saying.
Crystals and dream catchers I've seen, touched and played with and I find that they do not do dick but hang or sit there.
I realize that I am leaving a lot of holes in what I'm rushing to type here, but perhaps you can kind of get my point in a round about way.
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