#34079 - 01/16/10 07:02 PM
Re: The Temple of THEM 2010
[Re: Khk]
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ta2zz
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I am not a lunatic and I have nothing for sale.
Apparently you do have something to prove even if its only you are not a lunatic. Usually those who start a conversation saying they are not something usually are. You know like I’m not raciest but…
As to what you are selling…
I feel my former works deserve a place in the world - I have used other sites and places previously and find wordpress easy and organized - and my works speak for themselves.
You are selling “your way” through “your words” even if you are giving them away freely. Clearly you should see this.
~T~
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#34083 - 01/16/10 10:44 PM
Re: Australian Satanism + The Temple of THEM
[Re: Khk]
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Baron dHolbach
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For each target, the proper tool.
Target #1: The Objective realm.
Tool #1: Hammer, saw, screwdriver, wrench, axe, pliers, scissor, chainsaw, lawn mower, shovel, etc.
Target #2: Other people's Subjective.
Tool #2: Lesser Black Magic (LBM).
Target #3: One's own Subjective.
Tool #3: Greater Black Magic (GBM).
Employing Tool #2 in an attempt to manipulate Target #1 is absurd. LBM sucks for chopping wood, although it works nicely as a way to get someone else to chop the wood on your behalf.
Likewise, employing Tool #3 in an attempt to manipulate Target #1 or Target #2 is absurd. GBM sucks for chopping wood, and used strictly by itself, sucks for getting someone else to chop the wood on your behalf, although it works nicely as a way to focus your own energies more efficiently, precisely, forcefully, so you can do a better job of wielding the axe with your own hands, or a better job of getting someone else to wield the axe on your behalf.
Reading the writings of self-described sorcerors, I rarely encounter clarity as to the above, and thus rarely am tempted to associate with the authors or invest time and effort into studying their writings in depth.
I didn't find such clarity in what I saw of your group's writings, Khk. Did I miss it?
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#34154 - 01/18/10 04:19 AM
Re: The Temple of THEM 2010
[Re: Morgan]
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Baron dHolbach
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As you stated "rarely am tempted to associate with the authors or invest time and effort into studying their writings in depth."
Since you admit to not studying or reading anything, why the hell should Khk respond to you in-depth.
Good point, and I think you're right, Khk won't respond in depth, or even at any length, perhaps not at all. Still, when I said I didn't read in depth, I meant that I had only read about fifteen pages, not that I didn't read the stuff at all. These folks think they can change the world through magic ritual. I find that absurd. That absurdity is what I was getting at in my post. Soldiers, statesmen, and scientists change the world. Ritual Magicians change themselves.
Hmm. That last bit might make a good signature. 
Khk in my opinion has never been one to stir shit, and he's not a pompous ass.
Good qualities from a forum perspective. Nor did I imply to the contrary.
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#34162 - 01/18/10 05:51 AM
Re: The Temple of THEM 2010
[Re: Diavolo]
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Baron dHolbach
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Oh but I find the idea of someone changing themselves by wearing a dress and waving their little wand while invoking Picachu also a bit absurd.
How much more absurd, then, to think that such a ritual could change anything other than the self.
Yet the logic of self-transformation via ritual magic is sound. Ritual magic is a psychological operation. Self-transformation is a psychological result. The operation and the result take place in the same logical domain. A causal reltationship between the two is plausible. To test the hypothesis, one must perform ritual magic, and then begin entering situations to which the ritual was relevant, observing one's newfound grace under pressure, or lack thereof.
They change themselves as much as upgrading a character in second life affects a personality in reality.
Giving my Second Life character a new wardrobe will not provide the Objective me with new clothes, but it may provide the Subjective me with newly awakened avenues of thought. The key is to clearly distinguish at all times between the Objective and the Subjective.
If you think only soldiers, statesmen and scientists change the world, you got a lot to learn grasshopper.
Nowhere in my sentence did you find the word "only."
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#34165 - 01/18/10 07:46 AM
Re: The Temple of THEM 2010
[Re: Diavolo]
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Baron dHolbach
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I read a lot of woolly ideas but what interests me more is the meat between the potatoes. Let’s talk practical. What am I supposed to imagine with all this personal GBM transcendence? Is it like invoking the great Friedrich who whispers that good and evil are nothing but perspective et voila you’re beyond it? Or is there actually something involving real life experience to it?
It's a two-pronged approach. Having identified the situation you want to master, and the Subjective potentials you need to magnify in order to master it, you (a) perform ritual magic to actualize those Subjective potentials; and then (b) put yourself in the situation and do your best to master it.
Let's say it pisses you off that you panic in an airplane. You decide that you want to master that situation. You conclude that you need to actualize the Subjective potential of rational serenity. You perform ritual magic to bring about this actualization, perhaps incorporating as a sigil the "x bar" symbol from statistics, since statistics are what you are trusting when you sit your ass down in an airplane. You then book yourself on a flight and do your best to maintain rational serenity, calling to mind as needed your experience of having done the ritual magic.
If not, it is an as RHP approach as the yogi reaching enlightenment by reciting “Obi Wan Kenobi” 30 times a minute for 3 years. Contrary to what most seem to think, it’s not imagining Jesus that makes someone walk the RHP; it’s living life by simulation what does and to be honest, a large part of what is called GBM out there is nothing but exactly that; a comfort zone simulation.
Hence the second prong of putting yourself in the situation and doing your best to master it. Ritual magic is a tool for doing a job, but it doesn't do the job on its own. You need a hammer to pound a nail into wood, but the hammer won't do you any good unless you take it in your hand and swing it.
Now about changing the world. Change is driven by culture and culture can be affected by anyone smart enough to know how to either affect or corrupt it.
By direct action. Not by performing ritual magic.
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#34194 - 01/19/10 01:38 AM
Re: The Temple of THEM 2010
[Re: Khk]
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Khk
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Thank you Morgan.
Diavolo - Can this thread be moved out of Satanism and into Counterculture?
The Temple of Them is no longer Satanic.
ISS,
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