#34086 - 01/17/10 04:15 AM
Re: The Art Of Manliness
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Baron dHolbach
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I thought what I read was great. It turns out I didn't have to bother because someone beat me to linking to the hompage.
I couldn't find the post you reference so I went ahead and did a quick google, and what I found was amusing enough to be worth a link:
http://www.sloshspot.com/blog/03-06-2009/Motivational-Posters-Winston-Churchill-Edition-129
I have no idea if Churchill really said all those things, but as regards the art of manliness, I discern the following traits exemplified:
1. Frankness
2. Humor
3. Pragmatism
Manliness includes the above, I would say. Now that doesn't mean that a man must be frank or humorous 24/7, as that would on occasion be stupid, and there's nothing manly about stupidity. Being pragmatic 24/7 is another story entirely, however, and I recommend it, just as I recommend being skeptical, realistic, and cynical 24/7, not so much because these mentalities are manly, but rather, because they are smart.
Frankness and humor, incidentally, are attractive to women, as far as I have been able to discern, and being attractive to women seems to be an important sub-topic on this thread. But in my experience nothing attracts a woman quite so readily as an absolute lack of desperation with regard to that woman's affections. If I don't fear rejection in the slightest, I will carry myself with an easy grace that hints at alpha male status, which will always at the very least catch a woman's attention, even if she doesn't outwardly respond due to conflicting considerations. Add athleticism to the mix and your batting average will climb still higher. Incorporate fighting skill into your athleticism and you will do still better, as the knowledge that one knows (or at least is learning) how to fight will increase the easy grace with which one carries oneself, hinting still more loudly at alpha male status.
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#34087 - 01/17/10 04:24 AM
Re: The Art Of Manliness
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MawhrinSkel
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Nice!
Being aware of alpha male body language is also useful if your object is to assert your social position. Personally, I can only say that the unspoken fights over alpha male status at my workplace are all a matter of carrying yourself with confidence, the right body language and a can-do attitude. The alpha male posture (knuckles forward, square shoulders, chin up and a wide-legged stance) is often sufficient to ensure others' attention and obedience.
Regarding frankness, cynicism and a sense of humour, I can only agree. These are also traits I find attractive in women, so they may not be gender-specific. Then again, Winston Churchill is my role model, as my signature may indicate. The man was awesome.
Facing reality in such a way as Winston indicates ensures your ability to deal with problems of an external nature. Internal problems are your own lookout, but I've already dealt with most of those, and the key here is getting smacked down so many times you sort your shit out and stop worrying about it.
I know that sounds like macho bullshit posturing, but guess what...?
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"I'd rather be right than consistent" - Winston Churchill
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#35832 - 02/19/10 06:40 PM
Re: The Art Of Manliness
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contragenic
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Can't say that I relate At All. As a long time member of the Leather community I have learned to see hetero men as weak and unstable. The values found in the Leather community are much more stringent than anything in the het world, and the men are infinitely more masculine than any het men I know. Thanks for the link but it really did seem to be a wank fest.
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#36176 - 03/09/10 10:08 AM
Re: The Art Of Manliness
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Doomsage680
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"But in my experience nothing attracts a woman quite so readily as an absolute lack of desperation with regard to that woman's affections. If I don't fear rejection in the slightest, I will carry myself with an easy grace that hints at alpha male status, which will always at the very least catch a woman's attention, even if she doesn't outwardly respond due to conflicting considerations."
-BarondHolbach
"The alpha male posture (knuckles forward, square shoulders, chin up and a wide-legged stance) is often sufficient to ensure others' attention and obedience."
- Mahwrinskel
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and point out that the formerly ridiculed fool in the top hat, (Mystery from VH1's The Pick-Up Artist) actually is mostly about the above stated things. Sure he has some gimmicks, but obviously the guys who do them either won't succeed, or they will. Nothing wrong with either of those options, and any annoyed women have more to worry about than amateur Pick up artists. I can say that following both of those pieces of advice as well as select pieces of PUA literature have not only made me more confident and comfortable with myself and when approaching women, but have also led to more success. Disobeying them has always led to failure.
I would like to add to this thread by mentioning my own issues with gender identity. I have been developing my open-mindedness for some time now and often take pride in qualities I don't normally associate with men. Obviously my perception of these roles is disproportionately influenced by society, but if male and female roles are not simply the stereotype, I often think I have some feminine qualities. It's clear to me how this came to be; my mom wears the pants in the family and so I was likely more influenced by her consideration and sensitivity to others and their feelings. Also, I am aware that men tend to think in very direct patterns (not quite qualified to explain this but I think you know what I mean), while women think in more indirect patters, with other ideas connected. One example might be,
ann- I had a bad day, some guy gave me trouble.
bob- o, want me to beat him up? grrrr. (trying to immediately address the problem)
or
ann- I had a bad day, some guy gave me trouble.
diane- o really? tell me about it. (wanting to understand more and possibly remembering that ann feared sexual harrassment when starting this new job)
I often admire other people's (often men's) abilities to think in very logical step by step processes, while I usually have to try harder to think in a very step by step way, and usually think of other similar things and draw comparisons and conclusions indirectly. My mom seems to think of everything one might need for, say, a trip, very easily; while I think about what I'm doing there and what my ride is. I used to think that although teen girls are developmentally 2 years ahead of guys, I was at least a year ahead of guys my age. This wasn't sexually, just critical thinking-wise, and I may be biased in my self-assessment. I don't think I'm something in between...I am surely a proud man, but I am also proud of my other qualities that I just don't see the majority of other guys possess.
Often I admire qualities of other guys. I like power, in women a lot, but confidence draws me towards guys. It's not sexual, but it can't be the same as other guys. I almost know without asking that it isn't. And although I am not angry with myself about this, I must admit I am somewhat confused. I don't want to hide any part of myself, but since I do not yet know how I wish to present this part of myself to friends and associates, as a satanist it is simply unwise to be reckless, especially with how I am perceived. Maybe this worry in itself is homophobic. But I also don't care too much if I'm a little homophobic, it's something I'm working on and I am an outspoken supporter of glbtq issues and equality in marriage. And it's really about my comfort. I think. See, there's a lot of self-doubt, another quality I like (one side of introspection and self awareness) but is I think more feminine.
I'm a straight guy who likes choir, theatre, painting, writing. I'm serious about rap and exploring my artistic side further. I'm not so much searching for answers here on how to feel more manly, and I'm sure that a lot of my confusion is just hormones running around, so I guess I'm offering myself to you all because you guys and gals and everyone here have a lot of wisdom I've been lucky enough to pick up on.
If you read this far, I hope you were able to connect with some of what I'm feeling.
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"I who have nothing but the comfort of my sins"
- Vinny Paz
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#36202 - 03/10/10 09:18 PM
Re: The Art Of Manliness
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6Satan6Archist6
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You are not God's gift to womankind.
Uh, yes I am.
From my experience, a little arrogance/cockiness can be a good thing and work to your benefit. There are times where it can and will backfire but if you are just "playing the game" for the fun of it then it doesn't really matter. A few misses here and there are always worth it when you get those hits.
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Man will never truly be free until the last king is strangled with the entrails of the last priest.
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#36204 - 03/11/10 01:04 AM
Re: The Art Of Manliness
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CanisMajor
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I'm gonna go out on a limb here and point out that the formerly ridiculed fool in the top hat, (Mystery from VH1's The Pick-Up Artist) actually is mostly about the above stated things. Sure he has some gimmicks, but obviously the guys who do them either won't succeed, or they will.
I never found The Pick-Up Artist to be particularly manly or masculine. Metro-sexual,perhaps?
The ability to read people well and being self-confident definitely have their merits.
But to follow his "advice",you would:
shave your chest?
wax your brows?
act effeminate?
sport a hat and scepter?
wear eyeliner?
tote an emo-kid "wingman"?
How about an AFI haircut to boot?
The future does not seem to bode well for masculinity.
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For every complex problem,there is a solution that is simple,neat,and wrong.
H.L Mencken
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#36219 - 03/11/10 09:19 AM
Re: The Art Of Manliness
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Shadow Dragon
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I am a woman who supports the resurrection of Manliness. I'm tired of meeting men with effeminate handshakes, men who don't take responsibility for their actions, and men that aren't upwardly motivated to improve their own lives.
Man up!
Hats off to all the fellows out there that don't sit at home on the couch, but rather pursue their interests and passions.
Isn't self-motivation and ambition good things regardless of gender? A woman who isn't particularly masculine could have the same qualities that you speak of so how is it "manning up?" In my opinion, it's just becoming a better person and they just decided to market it to men to get it to sell better.
The future does not seem to bode well for masculinity.
No it doesn't but it doesn't look bad either. Things like this tend to go in cycles has cultures change over time. A hundred years from now it could be completely different. And I'm sure people were complaining in a similar way during the sixties when guys started growing their hair long and wearing tight jeans.
Edited by Shadow Dragon (03/11/10 09:20 AM)
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Cogito ergo sum.
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