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#3634 - 01/21/08 07:53 PM What does Satanism lack
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Obvisely there is no religion or philosophy that is perfect, even if some come close.
So in taking a step back and honestaly looking at Satanism do you find things that are lacking in design or something you do not agree with? And if there is nothing that you see that could be improved why?
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#3636 - 01/21/08 08:33 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Sven]
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Take a look at the thread "I may be depressed" in General conversation, that might give you some insight as to the negatives.
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#3638 - 01/21/08 09:10 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Asmedious]
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Yes, I found the thread after I posted this. Still I, if I read it correctly, that Satanism wasn't intended as a means to feel the void of " nothingness" I it was a reaction to that thought of there being no point in life and more as a way to deal with your life and enjoy what you have. I may have misread what you said though.

I was interested more in if anyone would admit fawls in their belief system along with the qouestion of, should we try to look for fawls in our own beliefs and philosophies? Yet for Satanism it seems, in my view, that although it has a distinct core of beliefs it leaves room for the promoted " self-individualism". We can all sit here and point out countless mistakes in other philosophies, but what about fawls in our own.


Edited by Sven (01/21/08 09:11 PM)
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#3640 - 01/21/08 09:22 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Sven]
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I personally can't find fault with it from a philisophical point of view however from a political point of view Satanism would cause our countries to grind to a halt if it became wide as everything is conducted due to personal interests and philanthropy would likely slow down to a crawl. I know from experience that Satanists can be and are more disposed to be cruel, however who knows, human decency may prove me wrong.
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#3647 - 01/22/08 03:13 AM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: TornadoCreator]
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i don't think "Satanism" can lack anything, i think humanity lacks many things, intern making there form of "Satanism" lack many things.
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#3651 - 01/22/08 03:28 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: blackdragon31560]
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 Originally Posted By: blackdragon31560
i don't think "Satanism" can lack anything, i think humanity lacks many things, intern making there form of "satanism" lack many things.


I agree. It's not that Satanism isn't interesting, rather it's people that are boring. I subscribe to a number of different left hand path forums. I delete most emailed topics such as origins of various gods and goddesses or other such discussions on minute details. I also notice that there is a rather distinct lack of humor among many posters. Why bother at all? Well, once in a while I run into someone who will begrudgingly pass on something useful.
Perhaps it is time for me to immerse myself in good books and forget about the internet. There will always be someone who doesn't like me no matter what I do. There will be the insults, the threats, all hollow and meaningless trouble and bad feelings that are a waste of time.

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#3653 - 01/22/08 05:13 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Satansfarm]
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"Perhaps it is time for me to immerse myself in good books and forget about the internet. There will always be someone who doesn't like me no matter what I do. There will be the insults, the threats, all hollow and meaningless trouble and bad feelings that are a waste of time."

I think you just have to find a balance between the stuff online and the real world offline. Find some new and interesting books, and see if it can add to any discussions.

In real life/offline, if you have an issue with someone, you deal with it. You make desicions, and you act in such a way that you believe is the right thing to do. You might not always be right, but sometimes, you just have to do what is in your own best interest. If there is a dispute, you/both parties should actually care enough to talk about it.

Online, well, you just can't take anything anyone says seriously. It might be a little old lady pretending to be a 20 year old jock. OR, a 20 year old jock pretending to be a 15 year old girl. As for online threats, until they act up and do something that affect you in the real world, nobody can do anything about it.

The internet can be a hobby, a place of learning, a meeting of minds, but it can also be a waste of time. It just depends how you use it.

As for what Satanism lacks, it might be a clear coherent path to the future. It can help you understand your past, your present, your actions, your drives, but, it doesn't hold your hand and tell you want to do in the future.

You as an individual have to make your own future, Satanism isn't going to help you with that. You have to take the next steps, and choose what to do with the knowledge that you have gained.

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#3654 - 01/22/08 06:51 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Morgan]
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I like your signature, Morg

Indeed, fuckem if they can't take a joke.

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#3671 - 01/23/08 11:06 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Satansfarm]
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Something I realize now is that people choose their belief systems. This would inturn logically be the "best fitted" belief system for that person. So in turn what's commonsense and logical for a certain person changes from one to another. Also the belief system itself does not change on its own accord. So its not Satanism lacking in something, its who is lacking what in terms of a satanic point of view.
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#3682 - 01/24/08 05:35 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Sven]
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I was fine on my own until I began reaching out to "other Satanists". The Christian concept of Satan, the all evil
personification, is ludicrous to me. As far as I am concerned, the Egyptian Set is close, but still no cigar. There are quite a few people who feel that religion should be a business. These same people believe that with a large membership in their organization, that now political power is in their grasp. Again, I could not care less. With all this, I long for the years I spent fumbling around in the dark on my own.

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#3689 - 01/24/08 11:15 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Satansfarm]
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Many religions would try to use their large membership as a means of political power. Which is something that turns me off to most forms of religious organizations. Also another turn off for me would be how people of such religious groups become convinced that their path is the "true path" when really that is just a way for the religious leaders to ensure a long term membership and another means of income. Sometimes religious isolation can become a good thing for the individual, thus providing the individual a sense of oneself before entering any means of "group think."
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#3695 - 01/25/08 04:41 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Sven]
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This is as close as I get to an affinity for any organized religion:

Ferengi Rules of Acquisition
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1. Once you have their money ... never give it back.
3. Never pay more for an acquisition than you have to.
6. Never allow family to stand in the way of opportunity.
6. A man is only worth the sum of his possessions. (From Enterprise, episode "Acquisition"; sloppy script-writing, as rule 6 (see above) was already given in DS9)
7. Keep your ears open.
8. Small print leads to large risk.
9. Opportunity plus instinct equals profit.
10. Greed is eternal.
13. Anything worth doing is worth doing for money.
16. A deal is a deal ... until a better one comes along.
17. A contract is a contract is a contract (but only between Ferengi).
18. A Ferengi without profit is no Ferengi at all.
19. Satisfaction is not guaranteed.
21. Never place friendship above profit.
22. A wise man can hear profit in the wind.
23. Nothing is more important than your health--except for your money.
27. There's nothing more dangerous than an honest businessman.
31. Never make fun of a Ferengi's mother ... insult something he cares about instead.
33. It never hurts to suck up to the boss.
34. Peace is good for business.
35. War is good for business.
40. She can touch your lobes but never your latinum.
41. Profit is its own reward.
44. Never confuse wisdom with luck.
45. Expand, or die.
47. Don't trust a man wearing a better suit than your own.
48. The bigger the smile, the sharper the knife.
52. Never ask when you can take.
57. Good customers are as rare as latinum -- treasure them.
58. There is no substitute for success.
59. Free advice is seldom cheap.
60. Keep your lies consistent.
62. The riskier the road, the greater the profit.
65. Win or lose, there's always Hyperian beetle snuff.
75. Home is where the heart is ... but the stars are made of latinum.
76. Every once in a while, declare peace. It confuses the hell out of your enemies.
79. Beware of the Vulcan greed for knowledge.
82. The flimsier the product, the higher the price.
85. Never let the competition know what you're thinking.
89. Ask not what your profits can do for you, but what you can do for your profits.
94. Females and finances don't mix.
97. Enough ... is never enough.
99. Trust is the biggest liability of all.
102. Nature decays, but latinum lasts forever.
103. Sleep can interfere with profit. (DS9 season 2, episode 7 - "Rules of Acquisition")
104. Faith moves mountains ... of inventory.
106. There is no honour in poverty.
109. Dignity and an empty sack is worth the sack.
111. Treat people in your debt like family ... exploit them.
112. Never have sex with the boss's sister.
113. Always have sex with the boss.
117. You can't free a fish from water.
121. Everything is for sale, even friendship.
123. Even a blind man can recognize the glow of latinum.
139. Wives serve, brothers inherit.
141. Only fools pay retail.
144. There's nothing wrong with charity ... as long as it winds up in your pocket.
162. Even in the worst of times someone turns a profit.
177. Know your enemies ... but do business with them always.
181. Not even dishonesty can tarnish the shine of profit.
189. Let others keep their reputation. You keep their money.
192. Never cheat a Klingon ... unless you're sure you can get away with it.
194. It's always good business to know about new customers before they walk in the door.
202. The justification for profit is profit.
203. New customers are like razortoothed grubworms. They can be succulent, but sometimes they can bite back.
211. Employees are rungs on the ladder of success. Don't hesitate to step on them.
214. Never begin a negotiation on an empty stomach.
218. Always know what you're buying.
223. Beware the man who doesn't make time for oo-mox.
229. Latinum lasts longer than lust.
236. You can't buy fate.
239. Never be afraid to mislabel a product.
242. More is good ... all is better.
255. A wife is a luxury ... a smart accountant is a necessity.
261. A wealthy man can afford anything except a conscience.
263. Never allow doubt to tarnish your love of latinum.
266. When in doubt, lie.
284. Deep down everyone's a Ferengi.
285. No good deed ever goes unpunished.
286. [Quark's rule] When Morn leaves, it's all over.

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#3900 - 02/06/08 12:16 AM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Satansfarm]
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We need a theme park. It'll be like Knots Scary Farm, but all year round. All our special brothers and sisters who think being Satanists means being a goth chick, or being a vampire or Anton look a like can all hang out there together. Let there be rides! And we need our on chick tracks, like the christians have. You can't have a real religion without Chick Tracks; it's a miracle how they can jam pack that tiny paper with so much researched information.
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#3901 - 02/06/08 07:15 AM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Ah yes, those goddamn Chick Tracts....My friend brought those to my attention years back when she saw a display of them at her veterinarian's office. She read a few, and took one of each. After I read them, thinking they were the funniest, most outrageous (and ingenious) piece of "literature" I'd ever seen, I started to collect them. However, Florida is not known to be a die-hard Bible-thumping state, so I haven't been able to find any more. I could order them online, but that would take all the fun out of it.
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#3922 - 02/06/08 11:27 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Nemesis]
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 Originally Posted By: Nemesis
Ah yes, those goddamn Chick Tracts....My friend brought those to my attention years back when she saw a display of them at her veterinarian's office. She read a few, and took one of each. After I read them, thinking they were the funniest, most outrageous (and ingenious) piece of "literature" I'd ever seen, I started to collect them. However, Florida is not known to be a die-hard Bible-thumping state, so I haven't been able to find any more. I could order them online, but that would take all the fun out of it.


They actually are ingenius. Your average Joe and Suzi America is mentally lazy and when they read, if ever, rarely check sources or varify anything. Chick Tracks are like the processed fast food of christiandom. There the most retarded thing. So you collect them? How many are there?
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#3952 - 02/08/08 09:47 AM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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http://www.chick.com/catalog/tractlist.asp enjoy some will have you on the ground funny shit:)
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#3972 - 02/08/08 09:59 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: rob_church]
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 Originally Posted By: rob_church
http://www.chick.com/catalog/tractlist.asp enjoy some will have you on the ground funny shit:)


That was good!... over 500 million sold???
Are you thinking what I'm thinking?
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#3975 - 02/08/08 10:24 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Over 500 million sold, then someone is rich!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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#3979 - 02/08/08 10:57 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Noc]
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Over 500 million sold, then someone is rich!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I know! Lets make our own... we'll call them Hell Tracks!
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#3986 - 02/08/08 11:26 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Sven]
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I like your signature, Morg

Indeed, fuckem if they can't take a joke.


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We need a theme park. It'll be like Knots Scary Farm, but all year round. All our special brothers and sisters who think being Satanists means being a goth chick, or being a vampire or Anton look a like can all hang out there together. Let there be rides! And we need our on chick tracks, like the christians have. You can't have a real religion without Chick Tracks; it's a miracle how they can jam pack that tiny paper with so much researched information.


 Quote:
Originally Posted By: rob_church
http://www.chick.com/catalog/tractlist.asp enjoy some will have you on the ground funny shit:)


That was good!... over 500 million sold???
Are you thinking what I'm thinking?


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Over 500 million sold, then someone is rich!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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I know! Lets make our own... we'll call them Hell Tracks!


This is what Satanism is lacking. A serious discussion. New ideals and thoughts being debated. Instead we are reduced to "witty" one liners and glad handing. I grew up and formed my Satanic beliefs in what could be called the "golden age" of Satanism. There was no internet. To be accepted, we had to actually form coherent thoughts and explain ourselves. We had to do research in books and delve deep into Satanic thought. To be labeled "Satanic" was not a "cool" thing or "rebellion". I got beat up after school on a regular basis for my chosen path. I was baptised into Satanism in a formal ritual performed by fellow satanists. I still have letters I wrote to Anton Levay "back in the day". You want to change Satanism for the better, bring something more to the table than this crap.
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#3987 - 02/08/08 11:42 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: fakepropht]
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 Originally Posted By: fakepropht
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I like your signature, Morg

Indeed, fuckem if they can't take a joke.


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We need a theme park. It'll be like Knots Scary Farm, but all year round. All our special brothers and sisters who think being Satanists means being a goth chick, or being a vampire or Anton look a like can all hang out there together. Let there be rides! And we need our on chick tracks, like the christians have. You can't have a real religion without Chick Tracks; it's a miracle how they can jam pack that tiny paper with so much researched information.


 Quote:
Originally Posted By: rob_church
http://www.chick.com/catalog/tractlist.asp enjoy some will have you on the ground funny shit:)


That was good!... over 500 million sold???
Are you thinking what I'm thinking?


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Over 500 million sold, then someone is rich!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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I know! Lets make our own... we'll call them Hell Tracks!


This is what Satanism is lacking. A serious discussion. New ideals and thoughts being debated. Instead we are reduced to "witty" one liners and glad handing. I grew up and formed my Satanic beliefs in what could be called the "golden age" of Satanism. There was no internet. To be accepted, we had to actually form coherent thoughts and explain ourselves. We had to do research in books and delve deep into Satanic thought. To be labeled "Satanic" was not a "cool" thing or "rebellion". I got beat up after school on a regular basis for my chosen path. I was baptised into Satanism in a formal ritual performed by fellow satanists. I still have letters I wrote to Anton Levay "back in the day". You want to change Satanism for the better, bring something more to the table than this crap.
Ok Grandpa... ''back in my days... we had to...''
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#3988 - 02/09/08 12:05 AM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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RE fakepropht
Well I chose my path and I'm very proud of that path, and If anyone had or has a problem with that or ever raised there hand to harm me for my belief, Then they would get to see my bad side come out.

I never went around spreading my beliefs out openly to others when I was in school but quite a few knew. But no one ever bothered me for what I believed in, but if someone tried to harm me when at school or elsewhere for what I believed in ,I wouldn't have taking an ass whooping without giving one back and a lot worse then what I received....

I for one am not looking for others to accept me for what I believe in. Satanic life isn't meant to be cool, or to be rebellious. It's a way of life for those who chose it and to live by it. The ones who just claim it and don't practice it are ones who are just looking for someone to accept them.

Here's a quote I live by ever single day of my life...

"It's better to be hated for what you are
then to be loved for what you are not"


Edited by Noc (02/09/08 12:07 AM)

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#3989 - 02/09/08 12:35 AM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: fakepropht]
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 Originally Posted By: fakepropht
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I like your signature, Morg

Indeed, fuckem if they can't take a joke.


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We need a theme park. It'll be like Knots Scary Farm, but all year round. All our special brothers and sisters who think being Satanists means being a goth chick, or being a vampire or Anton look a like can all hang out there together. Let there be rides! And we need our on chick tracks, like the christians have. You can't have a real religion without Chick Tracks; it's a miracle how they can jam pack that tiny paper with so much researched information.


 Quote:
Originally Posted By: rob_church
http://www.chick.com/catalog/tractlist.asp enjoy some will have you on the ground funny shit:)


That was good!... over 500 million sold???
Are you thinking what I'm thinking?


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Over 500 million sold, then someone is rich!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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I know! Lets make our own... we'll call them Hell Tracks!


This is what Satanism is lacking. A serious discussion. New ideals and thoughts being debated. Instead we are reduced to "witty" one liners and glad handing. I grew up and formed my Satanic beliefs in what could be called the "golden age" of Satanism. There was no internet. To be accepted, we had to actually form coherent thoughts and explain ourselves. We had to do research in books and delve deep into Satanic thought. To be labeled "Satanic" was not a "cool" thing or "rebellion". I got beat up after school on a regular basis for my chosen path. I was baptised into Satanism in a formal ritual performed by fellow satanists. I still have letters I wrote to Anton Levay "back in the day". You want to change Satanism for the better, bring something more to the table than this crap.


There is a difference between reading books and regurgitating what you've read, and wit Fake...

One is puking other peoples original thoughts and opinions cuz you lack your own to prove yourself because you lack sufficient self esteem... the other requires a little creativity and intelligence... think about it.
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#3990 - 02/09/08 12:46 AM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: fakepropht]
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...I was baptised into Satanism in a formal ritual performed by fellow satanists. I still have letters I wrote to Anton Levay "back in the day". You want to change Satanism for the better, bring something more to the table than this crap.
Translation: "Look at me, I need your admiration, I'm special...no really, I am, I was formally baptized, and I wrote to LaVey..." Do you honestly think any real Satanists cares about your baptism and letters here?
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#3993 - 02/09/08 07:27 AM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Satanism lacks nothing if you don't let it. It can only lack what you don't want to be there in the first place. Satanism doesn't have to be 'formal'. You could be a Satanist and go to Christian Sunday mass if you enjoyed it. No Satanic authority dictates what you cannot do.
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#3998 - 02/09/08 12:12 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: fakepropht]
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 Originally Posted By: fakepropht
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I like your signature, Morg

Indeed, fuckem if they can't take a joke.


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We need a theme park. It'll be like Knots Scary Farm, but all year round. All our special brothers and sisters who think being Satanists means being a goth chick, or being a vampire or Anton look a like can all hang out there together. Let there be rides! And we need our on chick tracks, like the christians have. You can't have a real religion without Chick Tracks; it's a miracle how they can jam pack that tiny paper with so much researched information.


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Originally Posted By: rob_church
http://www.chick.com/catalog/tractlist.asp enjoy some will have you on the ground funny shit:)


That was good!... over 500 million sold???
Are you thinking what I'm thinking?


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Over 500 million sold, then someone is rich!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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I know! Lets make our own... we'll call them Hell Tracks!


This is what Satanism is lacking. A serious discussion. New ideals and thoughts being debated. Instead we are reduced to "witty" one liners and glad handing. I grew up and formed my Satanic beliefs in what could be called the "golden age" of Satanism. There was no internet. To be accepted, we had to actually form coherent thoughts and explain ourselves. We had to do research in books and delve deep into Satanic thought. To be labeled "Satanic" was not a "cool" thing or "rebellion". I got beat up after school on a regular basis for my chosen path. I was baptised into Satanism in a formal ritual performed by fellow satanists. I still have letters I wrote to Anton Levay "back in the day". You want to change Satanism for the better, bring something more to the table than this crap.
Like how great and super satanic you are?
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#4004 - 02/09/08 03:58 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: fakepropht]
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Hey Fakey,

"This is what Satanism is lacking. A serious discussion. New ideals and thoughts being debated. Instead we are reduced to "witty" one liners and glad handing."

Yes, serious discussions are lacking. One liner posts and back slapping are all over the place. The old rules need to be reimplimented. Its time to repost them and give the "newbies" some guideance. Fuck it, put up the banning list & reasons why. If we can't set an example for excellence, then we are just as stupid as jos and CoS.

What is better 500 intelligent people, or 500 among 5000 idiots?

I remember the lol "golden age", pre internet, old book stores, fights, stupid shit, and meeting people that are long dead now. Face it, we are old, maybe not in years, but in the miles traveled. We are from a time when instant gratification didn't happen. We thought, desired, and made ourselves better. We did it ourselves with no handholding.

The new generation doesn't have that, they have been coddled, babyed, and fed shit just to shut them up. They don't even want to be bothered to use a search engine, and we expect them to be able to write more than a one liner post....

At this point, I am doubtful about the future generation. I am formally stating a challenge, a quest, a task for the "newbies". (If you have to ask, or take offensive to that name, then it probably suits you.) Do something, write something, show you think about yourself and the future of your personal beliefs. Show you can bring something to the table other than this kindergarden bullshit that I am seeing.

You (meaning newbies, etc) claim to be more, so act like it.
Satanism isn't just something cool, its also a personal responsibility.
Otherwise, a black sheep is still just another sheep.

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"I grew up and formed my Satanic beliefs in what could be called the "golden age" of Satanism. There was no internet. To be accepted, we had to actually form coherent thoughts and explain ourselves. We had to do research in books and delve deep into Satanic thought. To be labeled "Satanic" was not a "cool" thing or "rebellion". I got beat up after school on a regular basis for my chosen path. I was baptised into Satanism in a formal ritual performed by fellow satanists. I still have letters I wrote to Anton Levay "back in the day". You want to change Satanism for the better, bring something more to the table than this crap."
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#4005 - 02/09/08 04:17 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Morgan]
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What I see is a lot of people are complaining that there isn't any serious discussions going on, But what I don't see is the ones complaining about it aren't bringing any serious discussions to the table themselves.

If your complaining about the discussions or lack there of, then start a new thread

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#4008 - 02/09/08 05:32 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Noc]
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I have, I did, I guess you didn't really read what I wrote.
Thats okay, its what I expected to read as a reply.

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"If your complaining about the discussions or lack there of, then start a new thread "
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#4019 - 02/09/08 09:46 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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There is a difference between reading books and regurgitating what you've read, and wit Fake...

One is puking other peoples original thoughts and opinions cuz you lack your own to prove yourself because you lack sufficient self esteem... the other requires a little creativity and intelligence... think about it.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I do very little quoting or puking. Take a look at my record on this site. Show me where I puked someone's original thoughts and opinions, other than trying to make a point to a user. I don't run around quoting from the Satanic Bible or the CoS website. We had to read books. To find out and explore our chosen path. I had to mail order and subscribe to different magazines and letters. I remember the anticipation of waiting months for the next edition of _The Cloven Hoof_, _The Black Flame_, _The Black Punkin_ and others that escape my memory now.

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Translation: "Look at me, I need your admiration, I'm special...no really, I am, I was formally baptized, and I wrote to LaVey..." Do you honestly think any real Satanists cares about your baptism and letters here?
Being a Satanist means you are elite. Or did you skip that section when you were re-reading your Satanic Bible for the upteenth time? Do I think anyone cares? Yeah I do. Because a real Satanist would recognize the fact that I took the personal step to dedicate my life and shun my Christian upbringing by being baptised. I did so in a ritual described in the Satanic Rituals. With fellow Satanists who take this lifestyle as more than a black finger nail polish way of life. I wrote letters to Lavey, and CoS, because back then they were the only game on the block. If you wanted answers or information, you went there. Straight to the source.
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#4022 - 02/09/08 11:01 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: fakepropht]
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 Originally Posted By: fakepropht
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There is a difference between reading books and regurgitating what you've read, and wit Fake...

One is puking other peoples original thoughts and opinions cuz you lack your own to prove yourself because you lack sufficient self esteem... the other requires a little creativity and intelligence... think about it.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but I do very little quoting or puking. Take a look at my record on this site. Show me where I puked someone's original thoughts and opinions, other than trying to make a point to a user. I don't run around quoting from the Satanic Bible or the CoS website. We had to read books. To find out and explore our chosen path. I had to mail order and subscribe to different magazines and letters. I remember the anticipation of waiting months for the next edition of _The Cloven Hoof_, _The Black Flame_, _The Black Punkin_ and others that escape my memory now.

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Translation: "Look at me, I need your admiration, I'm special...no really, I am, I was formally baptized, and I wrote to LaVey..." Do you honestly think any real Satanists cares about your baptism and letters here?
Being a Satanist means you are elite. Or did you skip that section when you were re-reading your Satanic Bible for the upteenth time? Do I think anyone cares? Yeah I do. Because a real Satanist would recognize the fact that I took the personal step to dedicate my life and shun my Christian upbringing by being baptised. I did so in a ritual described in the Satanic Rituals. With fellow Satanists who take this lifestyle as more than a black finger nail polish way of life. I wrote letters to Lavey, and Cos, because back then they were the only game on the block. If you wanted answers or information, you went there. Straight to the source.


Ego jeck off parties aren't my forte Faker. If you feel the need to jerk your ego off in front of every body, you may, but don't expect me to jerk off with you.

By puking I didn't mean quoting books like a christian parrot. I tried to point out that you had to read books, absorb other people's ideas and opinions, make them your own, to deprogram yourself from your christian up bringings... because you weren't intelligent enough to think for yourself, and come up with your own shit. Nothing, no idea, religious concepts that you have- which influences your perception in life, how you interact with others, and how you see yourself is your own... nothing about you is original. Thinking like a herd of other satanists does not really constitute nonconformity. If "Satanism" was born out of LaVey's ego - are you not worshipping his ego by proxy Faker? You are a product of someone else. You were programmed as a christian, and you are still programmed as a "Satanist."

When I said i read the Satanic Bible over and over again because there wasn't anything else good, I did not mean that in a literal sense faker. TSB is great, but reading the source of it is even better. But I already had my own religion or religious concepts before I read the Satanic Bible. The only reason why I like it above all other "Bibles" is because it parallels my own private convictions and beliefs I had and formed on my own prior to reading it. I only call myself a "Satanist" due to lack of a better label.

You wear the self righteous holier than thou badge rather well. You even admitted that you followed your way to "the source" like a sheep following a different shepherd. You walk a path prepaved and premanufactured by someone else. Dressed up and packaged in a devilish consumer friendly box, made marketable to a target market like yourself. This is something you didn't mannage to erase from your former Christian days faker. I advise you look into it. At least Anton thought for himself, followed none, inspired many, and his unique philosophy and perception of life had as its source his own mind - internal. Your source is external - somewhere in San Fransisco. You sit in eagerness for your next morsel of "satanic sermons" sent from on high, waiting like a follower to be told how to think, and how to interpret life, like a christian sending in love gifts for the rants and ravings of a preacher: your snake oil salesman, and you buy it, like a fat kid in a pastry shop - because you can't do it yourself, because you can't think for yourself, because you need someone and something to follow. Rather than do as LaVey did and carve a path out; you just followed. You follow many, and inspire none; you are a mirror image of the man you idolize and adore - your serogate messiah. The only value you had to the Church was the money you gave to them. (And if you don't understand what being a mirror image means, it means you may look like the man you look up to, but you are a direct opposite).

Sheep are born sheep; it doesn't matter what color their wool may be one day from the next. They still think like one, follow like one. Without your source, without your light, you would be hopeless and lost, still groveling at the foot of Christ.


Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (02/10/08 12:01 AM)
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#4023 - 02/10/08 12:42 AM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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"Witty" one liners might be annoying at times, but entertaining and uplifting nonetheless. That was what an entire short essay of wit looks like.

It looks strange an alien to you Faker, because you puke your shit. If I asked you to write a "quality" essay and bring something to the table than this crap; it would resemble the thoughts, beliefs, and opinions of other people, who would have already said it better and more elegantly, or it would remind me of some book I may have read: because you are common, because you house no thought that are your own; a mental peasent, fettered and defined by the phychological serfdom you exist in, bound by its defining franchized boundries, which is owned and created by another human being - your Lord and Master - you are not free, you are not a free thinker. You haven't learned anything from Anton. When he points - you worship his finger like a dog. Rather than proverbially walk side by side with him, you follow behind him in his shadow which you use as a cover to hide your lack of original thought, and as a Captain Satan shield to flash to other peasents following behind you, to make yourself look better and more important, when in actuallity you are empty inside, always searching for something to fill that emptiness. Satanism shouldn't be a factory of mass produced ducklings that follows a leader; it should be an army of Antons, each carving his presense in the world he lives in in his or her own unique way. Each working to tear down our common mutual enemy with our own unique efforts. Each walking his own path... cohesively, together like an army ants, seperate unique individuals, but whose collective force is a terror to this jungle of steel and stone - this prison we have created for ourselves. You follow and grovel, you aren't a terror to anything, you will never change anything, you will just continue to suckle on Anton's finger, never looking at what he is pointing to, never walking to where his is pointing to, never experiencing what he points to. Wisdom is the fruit which grows from experience; you have no Undefiled Wisdom; you just have the thoughts of other men. You follow great men, men who were movers and shakers. You will never achieve greatness, and the only thing you can move and shake are your bowels... and perhaps your fist and a stick - at people who deflate your ego. You aren't a terror to anything. You're a duck.


Edited by LUCIFERIFIC (02/10/08 12:57 AM)
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#4693 - 03/01/08 09:22 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I remember viewing a video on either you tube or google video that was an interview with Peter H. Gilmore. He said that christianity no longer suited the human race, and atheistic christianity (or something to that effect) was taking over. I'll bet that IF Satanism were to become the "majority religion" it would change as well. Not in the same ways, but in ones that would make it suitable for our earth to keep "spinnin'".
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#4955 - 03/07/08 05:41 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Selezen]
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One might say that Satanism lacks definition? The term may be used to describe a broad range of philosophies, principles, ideas and religions.
However, I feel that this is its strength.... it is not owned by anything. I also feel it is the pure antithesis to untruth and delusion, and this is a strength which is not lacking.



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#5040 - 03/08/08 08:48 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Zakary]
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From The Look's Of The Boards, More People That Have The Guts To Show There Face! We Need More People Willing To Come Out Even On The Net Im Tired Of People Hiding All The Time. Dont Be Ashamed.
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#7534 - 04/12/08 05:30 AM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: AlleQ]
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Maybe if I still worked at "Weinerdude"...
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#7543 - 04/12/08 12:28 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: AlleQ]
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Honestly I have never seen any benefit in showing myself to everyone... In fact there is more to gain in my knowing what you look like yet remaining unknown to you... I could be standing next to you in Walmart...

Those that know me know what I look like... Some others here have seen a picture of me... What would I gain by broadcasting my likeness here? Do tell...

Should I decide to put up a picture of myself here then it will be of my own choice... Not because you or anyone else think it is gutless... I have nothing to prove...

Besides how much respect would I lose if you really knew I was 98 lbs and stand no taller than three feet tall? Do you have any idea how hard it is to look bad ass in children's clothes? Where is that picture of me in my ducky shirt? ;\)

Now on to the topic...

Satanism lacks understanding by most who associate with it... I know one line only, sorry... Poke me I might say more on the subject or clarify my thought... But if you do not get it then perhaps I am just talking about you...

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#7592 - 04/13/08 04:17 AM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: ta2zz]
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Shit - I posted a "one-liner" - forgive me ye moderators of the glory. I meant no offense - you see, this idiot-child attempted to threaten me, and in my weakness, I had a limited, albeit charming response.

Let this be a lesson to you, cheap-ass shits, you must have "something" to say. And if you don't, say it brilliantly.

Now to study in the form of Ta2zz - "Satanism" is as mutable as you'd like, at least for me. I personally enjoy associating with this "philosophy", or "religion" because it involves and attracts a particularly intelligent breed of personalities - all reading this not inclusive. Individuals "here" are often of a higher caliber of intelligence, or at the very least, offer a different view on the human experience.

To be stuck in the rut of "LaVeyan" Satanism, would be like being stuck in any kind of "rut". The wheels may be turning, but you're not going anywhere. If being stuck in a rut is what "Satanism" is, then I say with ultimate confidence, I am definitely not a Satanist.
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#9779 - 06/24/08 12:01 AM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: rob_church]
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I don't really see anything wrong with it. It is what you make it and how you interpret it. It pretty much explains what I believed before I even found Satanism. It works for me.
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#10592 - 08/10/08 11:56 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Salem]
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I see nothing wrong with the core philosophy of Satanism. That's why I'm a Satanist. Big surprise!

But seriously, my biggest problem would probably have to be the name. I have no casual qualms about expressing my beliefs as Satanist, but on a fundamental level I would prefer the term "Luciferian" as a PRIMARY identifier.

Why? "Satan" means adversary. While we are clearly enemies to things like altruism, herd mentality, spiritual subservience, etc... is rebellion our PRIMARY feature? I certainly agree that we should rebel against such things, but I would much rather identify my religion as what I am FOR rather than what I am AGAINST. For this reason I like the name "Luciferian" as it represents wisdom and liberation. And it has a positive philosophical context not bound by Christianity.

At least one person has accused me of trying to "soften" the image of Satanism by "renaming" it. While it does have a positive non-christian context, how many people actually are smart enough to know this? To the average person, "Lucifer", "Satan", and "Devil" are all synonymous. It wouldn't make a difference. But to an educated, open-minded person, it would.

I don't really care if other people call it this or not. In reality, it probably wouldn't be that effective- there's no reason to reinvent the wheel or redefine what already has a firm definition.... it's just my personal preference.


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#10617 - 08/12/08 12:54 AM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
nothing about you is original. Thinking like a herd of other satanists does not really constitute nonconformity. If "Satanism" was born out of LaVey's ego - are you not worshipping his ego by proxy Faker? You are a product of someone else. You were programmed as a christian, and you are still programmed as a "Satanist."


Well life (people, your environment, books, TV, music, etc) along with DNA shape who you are, "You are a product of someone else." well everyone is in some form, even you. I don't think Satanism was born from Lavey at all, the concepts are as old the the dirt we live on. Worshiping his ego, the term ego i change from person to person, i for think you can not feed a dead man's ego, but you can feed his image. like i said before,

"i don't think "Satanism" can lack anything, i think humanity lacks many things, intern making there form of "Satanism" lack many things."

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I personally enjoy associating with this "philosophy", or "religion" because it involves and attracts a particularly intelligent breed of personalities - all reading this not inclusive. Individuals "here" are often of a higher caliber of intelligence, or at the very least, offer a different view on the human experience.


intelligence, is point of view, which i think everyone can agree. I would somewhat disagree, what the statement, this board is MAYBE 8% of the population that considers themselves satanists. I for one have met many fools, in my local area, which claim they are satanists but if you ask one question, and they will quote lavey from one of his books. since they have no answer or more like they don't not think for themselves. They think if Lavey or CoS say such it is set in stone. I was once told being a free thinker was foolish, by a local satanist. i personally feel humanity lack much, so i feel many satanists lack many things. (please don't think i talking about ALL satanists).


Edited by blackdragon31560 (08/12/08 01:32 AM)
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#11371 - 09/10/08 09:34 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Sven]
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For a long time, I've felt it lacked SOLIDARITY. This is a particularly thorny problem with Satanism, since if you bring everyone together who practices Satanism, it may very well become a mediocre religion of dogma (or just a nasty spitting match) - but if you keep them all apart, we are hopelessly outnumbered by our enemies forces and in many ways all end up fighting against each others wills.

Solidarity, seems an essential element sorely lacking for one of the goals of some forms of Satanism, which is to create another type of species. A species that would require protection and clanship in numbers, like all human beings, if it were not to be outright destroyed.

Our own Temple managed to deal with this tricky problem by devising a way of living (and a context to see things in) that allowed both the seperate exploration and will to power of each member - whilst simultaneously forming a strong and loyal clan of people united by being apart. It is experimental at best, but thus far (two years) seems to have been working.

Getting people who understand themselves to be Orphans on the LHP with no masters - and bring them together to aid in a collective Satanic Strategy is a difficult process to find a solution for and seems to be a characteristic lacking in many other groups.

There are other things lacking, but as Sven says, nothing is perfect. I just think Solidarity is a big one though.

ISS,
Khk


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#11382 - 09/11/08 06:18 AM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Khk]
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Needing solidarity in Satanism is all about what you want to do as a Satanist.

I mean, it firstly is about living your life the "right" way, and mainly implies you and only you. Churches and forums are there to make Satanists meet each other, because meeting people sharing your beliefs is always good.

But I personally don't believe in a Satanist takeover of the world \:D Even if democracy is dead to me, I know it won't be changed until the human race disappears of the surface of the Earth, whether the sun grows enough to eat it or we have a nuclear World War III... and I'll vote and play my citizen role in a way based on my satanic belief, but don't hope for a revolution or somewhat, which would lead us to another system (meritocracy :P).

So maybe solidarity is not such a lack... ;\)
 Originally Posted By: "LaVey"
Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it instead of love wasted on ingrates!
Satanists are sane egoists, thinking of themselves first but not indifferent to the people close to them... If you think about it, being nice to a friend, which makes him happy, makes you happy to, so it comes back to you \:\)


Edited by Impius (09/11/08 06:18 AM)
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#11386 - 09/11/08 08:26 AM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Khk]
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 Originally Posted By: Khk
we are hopelessly outnumbered by our enemies forces a


Funny thing, I haven't noticed any enemy forces lurking behind corners... As a satanist, I have no natural enemies. Some individuals may not like me, but that's entirely apart from being a satanist. I find it a bit delusional to think that we are at war with any other faction. Some misconceptions among the bigger part of population may hinder your possibilities of success if you're too bold about your beliefs but that's just about it...

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#11404 - 09/11/08 03:49 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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I am rather tired of heavy metal music. I would like to listen to some soft, lilting acoustic music with pleasant imagery. Why the horror show all the time? Surely, most of us would rather make love to nice, warm flesh, not bony cadavers. Well, if an individual truly has necrophilia on the brain, that is their choice. For me, Satanism is a celebration of life. Yes, I can appreciate the macabre images of HR Giger. I also like Botticelli and Gaugin.
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#11407 - 09/11/08 06:00 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Satansfarm]
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 Originally Posted By: Satansfarm
I am rather tired of heavy metal music. I would like to listen to some soft, lilting acoustic music with pleasant imagery. Why the horror show all the time? Surely, most of us would rather make love to nice, warm flesh, not bony cadavers. Well, if an individual truly has necrophilia on the brain, that is their choice. For me, Satanism is a celebration of life. Yes, I can appreciate the macabre images of HR Giger. I also like Botticelli and Gaugin.


Satanic imagery is nice, but it's not the only one which is, for sure. An open mind rules ! \:D
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#11439 - 09/13/08 12:15 AM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Impius]
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Hello,

Yes I agree.

"Satanism" even if it stretches its juridiction - is always going to be bound by its name as to what is represented under its umbrella.
While I do not believe that a "Satanic Renaissance" will overcome the Earth: I do believe that the opposition and adversarial nature of Satanism, adopted by all members of the Sinisterion: is a crucial aspect to fomenting personal Change and to enable some semblance of control over one's Life and its Wyrd: sometimes seemingly significantly, though most often cursory.
Moreover that the perception of being able to interact with the World (via magic for example) and steer its course is as much a hypnotic and alluring comfort, as it is a necessity and inherent trait of humanity.
From this, the deep need for the very art of translation of each initiates journey is the reason for such an umbrella as "Satanism" and the necessity of that word or -ism under which to come together to share each seperate experience with others, for even if it brings disagreement and sparks, it expresses a unique pool of subjective records of human experience often presented as objective: which is perhaps the cause for much of the argument among those even loosely gathered under the banner of 'Satanist'.

This paradox, I suppose, of people driven to isolation by their independance, who yet come together in one place to share, read or learn from/with one another Is, Solidarity of a kind. Even if it seems unstable.

Our attempts have been to clarify what is underneath the speech of these records, and to iron out the causes of friction, which generally tend to be Subjective/Objective clashes.

In being aware of writing putting forth an Objective WE, rather than a Subjective "I" THEM have managed to create and sustain an environment largely free of argument for the last two years. This is an extraordinarily difficult thing to do and took several different approaches - the main one though, being aware of the sensitive nature of other "I"'s being dragged into someone elses statute of reality.

ISS,
Khk








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#11440 - 09/13/08 12:32 AM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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That is fair.

And your comment causes me to go back to my earlier post regarding the treatment of subjective perception as an objective reality.
Thus, WE, should really, be I. Since I cannot speak for anyone else, but find it easy to fall into the trap of speaking for a collective by generalizing. So if I may ammend that, delusional or not, from the way I view the world, I believe I at least, am at War with many factions: Many forces that are attempting to thwart my Will.

I think, this WE/I thing is a sloppy generalization that causes friction when any other "I" feels dragged into someone elses WE (no pun intended ;)) And represents a greater problem than the surface arguments of many Satanists - which humans use a vehicle like Satanism, (or any other vehicle really) as a means of dissecting the subjective/objective mystery that surrounds humanity.

ISS,
Khk


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#11444 - 09/13/08 08:46 AM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Khk]
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A satanic Renaissance, lol foolish. Satanism shouldn't ever need one. If this were to happen we would be nothing more then a mindless group of individuals who would lose any sense of "values" from the satanic stand point. We as satanists should be strong enough to deal with ourselves and others in the first place and having to rely on others so much to need a renaissance in my opinion is just showing that we as individuals are nothing but weak.
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#11449 - 09/13/08 04:52 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Ringmaster]
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What Satanism really lacks?
Brains and individuality I would say. There are just to many satanic organisations I encounter who praise individuality but just want people to follow their "satanic rules" and their beliefs. I mean take the CoS for example, at first they want that people become individual within their philosophy, but on the other hand, if you don't listen to the "warlocks"/priests/ other grades above you you aren't considered to be a satanist and more of a theistic sheep.
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#11463 - 09/15/08 03:48 AM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Ringmaster]
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It also lacks a sufficient number of people who read carefully.

Edited by Khk (09/15/08 03:48 AM)

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#11475 - 09/15/08 06:30 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Khk]
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 Originally Posted By: Khk
It also lacks a sufficient number of people who read carefully.

Or write… Now is it Satanism lacking or is it the people that Satanism attracts that lack comprehension skills… Why would someone who cannot comprehend or compose a post consider themselves Satanist in the first place or did I just answer my own question? Damn now I have gone and thought myself into a state of retardation…

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#11520 - 09/16/08 04:57 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Sven]
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Indeed, and if Satan does in fact rule the world, then that must include everything in it. Like Scarface: "de world, Chico, de world, and everything in it."

Edited by Satansfarm (09/16/08 04:59 PM)

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#11521 - 09/16/08 05:01 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Impius]
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 Originally Posted By: Impius
 Originally Posted By: Satansfarm
I am rather tired of heavy metal music. I would like to listen to some soft, lilting acoustic music with pleasant imagery. Why the horror show all the time? Surely, most of us would rather make love to nice, warm flesh, not bony cadavers. Well, if an individual truly has necrophilia on the brain, that is their choice. For me, Satanism is a celebration of life. Yes, I can appreciate the macabre images of HR Giger. I also like Botticelli and Gaugin.


Satanic imagery is nice, but it's not the only one which is, for sure. An open mind rules ! \:D


oops...I forgot to add Implus's quote...here it is...

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#11664 - 09/20/08 06:32 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Satansfarm]
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 Originally Posted By: Satansfarm
Indeed, and if Satan does in fact rule the world, then that must include everything in it. Like Scarface: "de world, Chico, de world, and everything in it."


This is exactly what I meant. To me, Satanic imagery is all about being curious of the hidden side of everything, and it logically comes to occult, which is why LaVey chose that imagery for his work. But even if the hidden side is often the most interesting, that doesn't mean the rest can't be enjoyed... \:\)
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#11741 - 09/22/08 01:58 PM Re: What does Satanism lack [Re: Khk]
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i totally agree with you, i some times wish that there were more satanists in my city but there are none.
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