Page 2 of 3 <123>
Topic Options
#37246 - 04/01/10 09:58 PM Re: Woman goes for record. [Re: Jake999]
William Wright Offline
active member


Registered: 10/25/09
Posts: 860
Loc: Nashville
No, I donít think the state should get involved simply because a parent looks bad. However, I do think the state has a responsibility to protect children from unfit parents. If a woman is so obese that she canít take care of her kids, then the state should look into it. Same goes for junkies and alcoholics who canít think about anything but getting their next fix.

I think kids should be taken from the home as a last resort, but sometimes a last resort is all thatís left.
_________________________
In Minecraft all chickens are spies.

Top
#37247 - 04/01/10 11:21 PM Re: Woman goes for record. [Re: Jake999]
Noctuary Offline
pledge


Registered: 02/01/10
Posts: 92
 Originally Posted By: Jake999
So now the state is to become involved when a parent looks bad? How bout when a parent is drunk... or stoned... or simply moronic in the public eye? It's their life. Their business.

Unless you are prepared to open your own life to the state at the whim of others, it seems like a stone that probably is best left unthrown.

If the parent is drunk while driving their kid to school..or stoned while giving their child a bath and forgets them in the tub..then yes the government should step in and intervene. I mean I don't think the kid gives a rat's ass about their parent's freedom or civil rights. It's a kid. They need help. So help them.
_________________________
Devils speak of the way in which she'll manifest

Top
#37254 - 04/02/10 01:49 AM Re: Woman goes for record. [Re: William Wright]
Doomsage680 Offline
member


Registered: 10/01/09
Posts: 111
Loc: NJ, USA
Somebody should steal her identity or do some credit card fraud on her. Someone who broadcasts stupidity to the world could benefit from some pain.

This might be my nice hippy side talking, but how insanely inspirational could she be if she stopped and got fit like Jared from Subway? I promise you that millions of fat people all over the US and world would take that as an inspiration and get fit. At least this would benefit our rising health care costs. Seriously. Some foundation or something should pay her to turn her life around unexpectedly. She would stay in the shadows for the 4-5 years of hardcore fitness it would take, but she'd definitely be famous in the end anyway, not to mention alive and a much better role model for her children than before. She'd probably get sponsorships from whatever food and fitness companies she claimed as her helpers. I guarantee this would be a better money making scheme for her than anything else, and not only benefit herself but her kids and the taxpayers as well.

Always looking on the brightside.

Exercising can be as habitual and empowering as eating, if not more. If only someone told her this idea, she'd be an idiot to refuse. Though it seems she all ready is pretty stupid.
_________________________
"I who have nothing but the comfort of my sins"
- Vinny Paz

Top
#37264 - 04/02/10 07:33 AM Re: Woman goes for record. [Re: Doomsage680]
Nemesis Offline
senior member


Registered: 09/01/07
Posts: 2175
Loc: US
I remember watching a bio they did on a woman who was morbidly obese. It had taken her years to get to that point, but one day she had a health scare (I forget what it was) and she decided that she'd had enough of living that life and wanted to make sure she saw her children grown. So she mustered up the courage to sign up with a personal trainer, and over many months she lost a good hundred pounds, maybe more. After a major weight loss (say, 20 or 30 pounds), her trainer would put two heavy sacks in each hand, with a total weight of how much weight she'd lost, and have her carry them around for a minute. That was to remind her that not long ago, she was carrying that much weight on her body. I thought that was a really clever way to motivate someone.
_________________________
Nothing is sacred.

Top
#37273 - 04/02/10 11:54 AM Re: Woman goes for record. [Re: Nemesis]
XiaoGui17 Offline
active member


Registered: 10/21/09
Posts: 1126
Loc: Amarillo, TX
I agree with Noctuary here. I understand the concept that one's own life is one's own choice, but once kids are thrown into the mix, it's not just their own life that's being affected anymore. Though I don't support a nanny state, most who aren't absolute anarchists would generally agree the point at which the state intervenes is the point at which your choices about your own lifestyle start affecting those around you who did not consent to be involved in your shenanigans. (Such as drunk drivers getting into wrecks, raping people, neglecting or abusing one's children, etc.)
_________________________
Wir halten uns an Regeln, Wenn man uns regeln lšsst

Top
#37274 - 04/02/10 12:12 PM Re: Woman goes for record. [Re: XiaoGui17]
Jake999 Offline
senior member


Registered: 11/02/08
Posts: 2230
The problem is that any harm being done to the children is speculation. I've seen nothing that shows any direct neglect or abuse to the children. That being the case, what business is it of anyone else's? If there were PROOF of abuse of neglect, that's one thing, but because people want to project their personal likes or dislikes on a situation is very "Christian," don't you think?

So... those of you who do drugs. Since one could SPECULATE that your using drugs is bad for the kids, they should be taken away. Or smoking... as the son of parents who smoked themselves to death, I could see a case being made for the dangers of living in the same house with chain smokers... alcoholics... yeah, room for speculation there too.
_________________________
Bury your dead, pick up your weapon and soldier on.


Top
#37275 - 04/02/10 12:30 PM Re: Woman goes for record. [Re: Jake999]
Meq Offline
Banned
active member


Registered: 08/28/07
Posts: 861
 Originally Posted By: Jake999
So... those of you who do drugs. Since one could SPECULATE that your using drugs is bad for the kids, they should be taken away.

That only really applies to those who both have their own kids AND still regularly use drugs. Parenthood brings enormous responsibilities, which not many can successfully juggle with a drug habit.

Still, being morbidly obese is considerably more risky than partaking of the odd weekend joint (away from the kids), and is much more likely to leave the kids orphaned.

Top
#37276 - 04/02/10 12:38 PM Re: Woman goes for record. [Re: Meq]
Jake999 Offline
senior member


Registered: 11/02/08
Posts: 2230
Mitigation... who's to say who's vices are superior when they're open to public scrutiny? There are many parents who still smoke their joints AROUND their kids (and worse). There are many parents who drink and get drunk around their kids. There are people who gamble and put the family finances at risk. There are people who have bad hygiene, either as a part of a psychosis or simply because they're slobs... if people want to single you out, there are a myriad paths to you.
_________________________
Bury your dead, pick up your weapon and soldier on.


Top
#37283 - 04/02/10 04:20 PM Re: Woman goes for record. [Re: Jake999]
CanisMajor Offline
stranger


Registered: 02/17/10
Posts: 49
Loc: Texas
Capitalism and gluttony converge. What could possibly be more American these days?

I would like to state here that I fully endorse the platform of Fuhrer Fist,with the following exceptions:

1.The nations' mascot be replaced by a bucket of fried chicken.
2.The nations' song replaced by "Fat Bottom Girls".
3.The nations' constitution be written on used Taco Bell napkins.
4.The nations' flag changed to the 1000lb. girl's bib.


Rethinkin' them 7 deadly sins,yet?


Edited by CanisMajor (04/02/10 04:25 PM)
_________________________
For every complex problem,there is a solution that is simple,neat,and wrong.
H.L Mencken

Top
#37292 - 04/02/10 06:01 PM Re: Woman goes for record. [Re: Jake999]
Noctuary Offline
pledge


Registered: 02/01/10
Posts: 92
 Originally Posted By: Jake999
The problem is that any harm being done to the children is speculation. I've seen nothing that shows any direct neglect or abuse to the children. That being the case, what business is it of anyone else's? If there were PROOF of abuse of neglect, that's one thing, but because people want to project their personal likes or dislikes on a situation is very "Christian," don't you think?

So... those of you who do drugs. Since one could SPECULATE that your using drugs is bad for the kids, they should be taken away. Or smoking... as the son of parents who smoked themselves to death, I could see a case being made for the dangers of living in the same house with chain smokers... alcoholics... yeah, room for speculation there too.


Ok. Before I lose my mind and misunderstand you.....

Are you saying that if everything 'looks ok' then we should just turn our eye away from a child who may need our help? Or are you saying being morbidly obese is not in of itself child abuse? As in let's see some fact before we go taking away a kid from a fat mother? With that I totally agree. But if you know for a fact some parent is abusing their kid don't you think you should do something about it?
_________________________
Devils speak of the way in which she'll manifest

Top
#37296 - 04/02/10 06:13 PM Re: Woman goes for record. [Re: Noctuary]
Jake999 Offline
senior member


Registered: 11/02/08
Posts: 2230
Let's see some proof before anyone walks jackbooted into someone's home and takes children.

I had a stint working in a Foster Care agency while I was in college as part of my psychology classwork. Things aren't always as cut and dried as people are trying to paint them, and taking kids away isn't always the right thing... and can be quite devastating on a long term basis for children as well as the adults.

There are definitely reasons to take kids from parents. Morbid obesity? POSSIBLY, but there are factors that should be considered beyond "she's fat, she's incompetent and harming the child." I've seen rail-thin "parents" that prostituted their 9 year old daughter for crack. I've seen healthy looking parents that molested their kids and sodomized them before school. I've seen fat people who love their kids and treat them well, despite how we might think they're treating themselves.

Looking at things in an overly simplistically fashion is ok for the simple mind. Life is, however, complex. Family relationships come in all shapes and sizes.
_________________________
Bury your dead, pick up your weapon and soldier on.


Top
#37297 - 04/02/10 06:16 PM Re: Woman goes for record. [Re: Noctuary]
Shadow Dragon Offline
pledge


Registered: 01/18/10
Posts: 95
 Originally Posted By: Noctuary
Ok. Before I lose my mind and misunderstand you.....

Are you saying that if everything 'looks ok' then we should just turn our eye away from a child who may need our help? Or are you saying being morbidly obese is not in of itself child abuse? As in let's see some fact before we go taking away a kid from a fat mother? With that I totally agree. But if you know for a fact some parent is abusing their kid don't you think you should do something about it?

Define morbidly obese. Are you talking about someone that is just chubby or someone that needs help from firement to get out of their home? If someone has gotten to the point, due to their own decisions as opposed to medical condition, that they are so obese, they can't get around in their own home, then yes they should have thier kid taken away. That child's life will be nothing but catering to a parent who is unable to actually do anything with the kid.

@Jake: In the case of drugs, yes if the parent is only capable of thinking of when/where they will get their next fix, then they should lose their kid. Any time a person's vice becomes the dominant part of their life, their parental abilities should be looked into.


Edited by Shadow Dragon (04/02/10 06:18 PM)
_________________________
"There is only one good, knowledge, and one evil, ignorance." - Socrates
Cogito ergo sum.

Top
#37298 - 04/02/10 06:22 PM Re: Woman goes for record. [Re: Shadow Dragon]
Noctuary Offline
pledge


Registered: 02/01/10
Posts: 92
Shadow, Morbidly obese. I am thinking anything that has you in the 300 range AND you are in capable of caring for a child. IE. Can't get up to feed it and not it gets up to feed you. It's your child..not your caretaker. Fat is ok. My mom was fat and took care of me till I was 16 I guess.
_________________________
Devils speak of the way in which she'll manifest

Top
#37299 - 04/02/10 06:23 PM Re: Woman goes for record. [Re: Shadow Dragon]
Jake999 Offline
senior member


Registered: 11/02/08
Posts: 2230
The definition of "morbid obesity" from [u]Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th Edition:[/]

"morbid obesity

Etymology: L, morbidus, diseased, obesitas, fatness

an excess of body fat, or weight of 100 pounds over ideal body weight, that increases the risk of developing cardiac and endocrine disturbances, including coronary artery disease and diabetes mellitus, as well as some kinds of cancer."

Clearly the woman in question fits that definition... along with millions of others. So do we need to hire an army of social services Gestapo? Foster care is already overburdened... what's a few million more kids ripped from their homes?
_________________________
Bury your dead, pick up your weapon and soldier on.


Top
#37300 - 04/02/10 06:34 PM Re: Woman goes for record. [Re: Jake999]
Noctuary Offline
pledge


Registered: 02/01/10
Posts: 92
 Originally Posted By: Jake999
The definition of "morbid obesity" from [u]Mosby's Medical Dictionary, 8th Edition:[/]

"morbid obesity

Etymology: L, morbidus, diseased, obesitas, fatness

an excess of body fat, or weight of 100 pounds over ideal body weight, that increases the risk of developing cardiac and endocrine disturbances, including coronary artery disease and diabetes mellitus, as well as some kinds of cancer."

Clearly the woman in question fits that definition... along with millions of others. So do we need to hire an army of social services Gestapo? Foster care is already overburdened... what's a few million more kids ripped from their homes?

Alright. So do you think it's ok for the kid to take care of the parent? You feel strongly not to pull the kid into Foster Care. What would your recommendations be for a parent who cannot care for their child? I mean being over weight is not the issue for me. It's the ability to care for a child and not the child to care for the parent. This is my concern..not weight.
_________________________
Devils speak of the way in which she'll manifest

Top
Page 2 of 3 <123>


Moderator:  Woland, TV is God, fakepropht, SkaffenAmtiskaw, Asmedious, Fist 
Hop to:

Generated in 0.027 seconds of which 0.002 seconds were spent on 28 queries. Zlib compression disabled.