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#3668 - 01/23/08 09:26 PM Satanic Scipture's
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I was just wondering if anyone had read any part of the book and think's it's a worthy read? Also are there any other satanic ritual book's that anyone know's of that are still in print that werent written by christians?
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#3672 - 01/23/08 11:27 PM Re: Satanic Scipture's [Re: AlleQ]
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I wasn't impressed. It's essentially a collection of "essays" and articles Gilmore composed for various internal CoS newsletters and magazines over the years. He's fairly eloquent but I found his writing to lack anything substantive. It's a cheap book and a fairly quick read.
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#3674 - 01/24/08 12:26 PM Re: Satanic Scipture's [Re: Octavius]
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It's not a bad book, but it's nothing special really. Magnus Peter Gilmore is a thoroughly nice guy but he's no author or philosopher really.
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#3677 - 01/24/08 02:29 PM Re: Satanic Scipture's [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Agreed.

I thought the booked lacked any originality whatsoever. It was an easy read that is for sure but not because the book had any kind of flow to it.

What I noticed most of all was that at least with TSB the subjects were so basic and universal that one couldn't help but agree with it at least in part or find something in it that applied to their life in some way. With this book however I found myself in discord with his thoughts several times.

As far as my thoughts on HP Gilmore's writing style I think that can be summed up best by Stephen King who said

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What I did like about the book is that it was put together nicely the cover art and look of the book overall are very nice. So I guess in this case you'd have to judge the book by its cover because there is nothing of value inside. Unless, of course, you are a devout ass kisser in which case it's an example of literary genius born of a truly satanic mind. \:D

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#3678 - 01/24/08 04:20 PM Re: Satanic Scipture's [Re: AlleQ]
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 Originally Posted By: AlleQ
I was just wondering if anyone had read any part of the book and think's it's a worthy read? Also are there any other satanic ritual book's that anyone know's of that are still in print that werent written by christians?


Look here: http://www.luciferianwitchcraft.com

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#3688 - 01/24/08 11:08 PM Re: Satanic Scipture's [Re: Varick S.]
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I will have to vote with the crowd on this one. Peter is obviously a very articulate man - but in the book he is over-doing it.

The book itself is not worthless - but it is very obvious that Peter is trying to capture the essence that LaVey possessed. He wants to seem just as sinister and diabolical as the Black Pope. So there is a lot of unneeded material. There are a few articles worth a read - but it is not particularly a core book of Satanism. Much like the Devil's Notebook - it is simply more of the philosophy on different subjects and reveals nothing deeper than the Satanic Bible.

So - should you buy it? Yes - but wait until it is on sale! It is definitely a good addition to any Satanic library, but it isn't worth hunting for!

That's just my opinion though!
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#3691 - 01/24/08 11:39 PM Re: Satanic Scipture's [Re: Dragan Kasimir]
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Thank's to all, and thank's for the link I like the hoodies they have on there, so awesome. But yeah Im just going to wait on it, I figured that I might as well just look for some free literature for now and start picking up on different authors.

However Might Is Right Sounds Like A Great Title.
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#3768 - 02/02/08 11:19 AM Re: Satanic Scipture's [Re: AlleQ]
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It was a dumb book, but i bought it. unfortunately when ASL died no one has since put out any good Satanic books. I'm getting tired of reading my SB over and over again.
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#3859 - 02/05/08 01:41 PM Re: Satanic Scipture's [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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If you are looking for some interesting Satanic literature perhaps some Ayn Rand, Nietsche, Jung, or Einstein would be to your liking. I think you'll find the ideas in these authors pretty well put out and well researched. Some of them just make you think. No they don't call themselves "Satanists" but really what is that but another pointless label! You may even find some of LaVey's "original" ideas floating around in their works.
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#3950 - 02/08/08 08:38 AM Re: Satanic Scipture's [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
It was a dumb book, but i bought it. unfortunately when ASL died no one has since put out any good Satanic books. I'm getting tired of reading my SB over and over again.


http://www.lulu.com/content/1729083

Also, if you don't like what's out there, let's see you create something better instead of whining for something like a pissant consumer.

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#3980 - 02/08/08 11:02 PM Re: Satanic Scipture's [Re: SSunrise]
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 Originally Posted By: SSunrise
 Originally Posted By: LUCIFERIFIC
It was a dumb book, but i bought it. unfortunately when ASL died no one has since put out any good Satanic books. I'm getting tired of reading my SB over and over again.


http://www.lulu.com/content/1729083

Also, if you don't like what's out there, let's see you create something better instead of whining for something like a pissant consumer.

No, I wasn't whining like a pissant consumer... more like bitchin like a disappointed girl after sex... hey it happens. I do write my own stuff, but I keep my writings to myself.
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#3984 - 02/08/08 11:22 PM Re: Satanic Scipture's [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Well there is always room for one more book on anything especially Satanism. Peter H Gilmore has sold quiet a few of his new book since releasing it in December 2007.

You never know Luciferific you might be able to write a descent book from all of the things you have written in your own journal of the past years.

I have thought about it a couple of times but I don't ever have the amount of time to go through all of my journals and to fit it all together to make it a descent book.

It takes some time to get a rough draft put together and then even longer finalize it and bring it to publishing. Theres really not a lot of books out there on the subject like there is paganism,druidism,vampires, and other occult related topics.

I've thought about trying to find more suppliers out there for the left hand path to carry in my occult shop for a couple of years and there isn't but a handful that even produces anything related to sell for the left hand path.

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#3999 - 02/09/08 12:19 PM Re: Satanic Scipture's [Re: Noc]
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 Originally Posted By: Noc
Well there is always room for one more book on anything especially Satanism. Peter H Gilmore has sold quiet a few of his new book since releasing it in December 2007.

You never know Luciferific you might be able to write a descent book from all of the things you have written in your own journal of the past years.

I have thought about it a couple of times but I don't ever have the amount of time to go through all of my journals and to fit it all together to make it a descent book.

It takes some time to get a rough draft put together and then even longer finalize it and bring it to publishing. Theres really not a lot of books out there on the subject like there is paganism,druidism,vampires, and other occult related topics.

I've thought about trying to find more suppliers out there for the left hand path to carry in my occult shop for a couple of years and there isn't but a handful that even produces anything related to sell for the left hand path.

This is true Noc... but think a minute: "Cast not your pearls before swine..." JC - take a look at the market - this forum is a cross section of our potential satanic book market... its filled with people who don't have much respect for creative original thoughts, and make it their religion to vomit dead letters written by dead people - we are riding in a wagon which doesn't move. it lacks growth, progression, creativity, this Satanism of ours does not metabolize even... it is dead, it lacks life. this market better appreciates dead thought. its a waste of time to give give them something so valuable as your personal living and dynamic thoughts noc... they will just step on it like swine.
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#4000 - 02/09/08 02:07 PM Re: Satanic Scipture's [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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You cast a stone at the forum for not respecting creative original thought, yet claim everything written after Anton LaVey's death to be garbage? Isn't that sort of contradictory? Does that not also make you guilty of "vomiting dead letters by dead people". Being as you admit to "reading your Satanic Bible over and over again" are you not creating to the stagnation of what you call "Satanism".

It is always easiest to read things which go along with our ideas. Perhaps the reason your wagon (and I say YOUR wagon) doesn't move is due to the fact you dismiss all you don't necessarily agree with. Perhaps you should gravitate away from what you believe for a while and have a look at some other stuff.

Try becoming Christian for a while. It's very therapeutic!
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#4027 - 02/10/08 02:20 AM Re: Satanic Scipture's [Re: AlleQ]
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I realize that I have said this before, but just for shits and giggles, I will throw it in again.

I tend to agree with those who claim, that Satanism lacks anything new and original. The reason for this might be, that previous generations have already stated all that there is to be said about it.

My cat is laying cuddled up to me, so I hate to say this, but it kind of fits. Although there is more then one way to skin a cat, there are ONLY so many ways one can do it.

There are only so many things that can be said about living free, and learning to think for ones self.
As times change, new methods might become necessary to achieve those things, but the core or the substance of those ideals do not change.

Perhaps very interesting books might be written about how a person achieved “Self Actualization” using Satanic principles, but I doubt that they can come up with original Satanic principles, which have already not been stated by someone else before them.

Someone might invent a new way of using the brain, and programming it, to assist themselves and others to achieve a “Satanic State” of being, but again, the ideals which they are aiming for, are already in place.

The difficult part, is not learning about Satanic ideals, but applying them to ones self if they wish to do so.

I don’t believe that we can learn how to be Satanists, by studying and searching out the writings of others, if we do not at some point apply them to our lives.
Once we apply them to our lives, we can start growing into being Satanic, instead of merely studying it, and life itself, will be our truest guide.

As we grow, and move forward, we might need, desire, or wish, to give ourselves a tune up by going back to the words of the old masters, or we might simply go back for some re-affirmation of our beliefs. However, the more that we mature into Satanhood, the less we will need them.
In time, as the Buddhists say, “If you see the Buddha walking down the street, kill him,” we too will be able to kill our own teachers.

This is not a literal killing of course, but metaphorical.
When we ourselves become masters, everyone else who claims to be one, will be seen as a fake in our eyes. Because true masters do not have masters themselves.
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#4034 - 02/10/08 11:19 AM Re: Satanic Scipture's [Re: Asmedious]
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I really think many of you put way too much stock in the word Satanism, and being "Satanic"! Quit being a Satanist and grow yourselves outside the title. The very philosophy of this very base religion is to cast off that which has no value and grow oneself. I submit that the title "Satanism" has no value.

Satanism stagnates because the people who wear it as a title are stagnant in the title. Satanism is personal to each individual, thus if there is nothing new its because we are lazy and have not sought anything new. If you truly have followed an idea to its fullest conclusion, cast it aside for something fuller.

Quit being Satanists. Religious titles are nothing but food for our egos. It is when you can mold yourselves into any idea that you can really begin to expand. I meant what I said: Become Christian for a while! When you can become your own antithesis at will you will be astounded at what you find.
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#4039 - 02/10/08 01:00 PM Re: Satanic Scipture's [Re: birdstrike]
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 Originally Posted By: birdstrike
I really think many of you put way too much stock in the word Satanism, and being "Satanic"! Quit being a Satanist and grow yourselves outside the title.

The title fits some of us not we fit it… This ties into the born not made aspect of Satanism… If you were born a negro, a duck, or a cripple could you change that? No yet there will always be someone who is unhappy with what you are… In reality they are unhappy with who they are but they will try to convince you that you’re the one at fault… You are the one needing change not them…

 Originally Posted By: birdstrike
The very philosophy of this very base religion is to cast off that which has no value and grow oneself. I submit that the title "Satanism" has no value.

As stated previously the title has little to no meaning to you… Good so why do we need to change again?

 Originally Posted By: birdstrike
Satanism stagnates because the people who wear it as a title are stagnant in the title. Satanism is personal to each individual, thus if there is nothing new its because we are lazy and have not sought anything new.

Every day brings something new into my life… If your stagnant and lazy you should not call yourself Satanist… You only fool yourself and the other kiddies…

 Originally Posted By: birdstrike
If you truly have followed an idea to its fullest conclusion, cast it aside for something fuller.

This is impossible… Following an idea gives birth to many more ideas that create a continuation if nothing else of the original idea… Following an idea to the end is a practice of stagnation…

 Originally Posted By: birdstrike
Quit being Satanists. Religious titles are nothing but food for our egos. It is when you can mold yourselves into any idea that you can really begin to expand.

Quit pushing how you view yourself on your view of others… Satanism is really not a religious title if it were there would be no need to prefix it with titles of religious belief… There would be no need to further title oneself to help describe their beliefs to others…

 Originally Posted By: birdstrike
I meant what I said: Become Christian for a while! When you can become your own antithesis at will you will be astounded at what you find.

Most of us started Christian why would we need to take a step backwards? When you start using the title to describe what you are and not as a crutch to what your supposed to be then maybe the beginning of your journey has begun… Until then you are as a baby playing in his own feces…

In the end it matters little what you title yourself, what truly matters is did you enjoy your stay…

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#4040 - 02/10/08 01:14 PM Re: Satanic Scipture's [Re: Asmedious]
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 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
Although there is more then one way to skin a cat, there are ONLY so many ways one can do it.

The results are also the same…

 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
“If you see the Buddha walking down the street, kill him,” we too will be able to kill our own teachers. This is not a literal killing of course, but metaphorical.

When we ourselves become masters, everyone else who claims to be one, will be seen as a fake in our eyes. Because true masters do not have masters themselves.

When one feels as if his teacher has taught him all he needs to know then one is foolish… To realize that a lesson can be taught by even the lowest life form, or that there may always be something gained from someone is much more advanced thinking…

Other than that this post is brilliant…

The truth may have never been closer to being spoken…

If one is too busy trying to learn Satanism, perhaps one needs to live it a bit more or move on…

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#4041 - 02/10/08 01:59 PM Re: Satanic Scipture's [Re: ta2zz]
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The title fits some of us not we fit it… This ties into the born not made aspect of Satanism… If you were born a negro, a duck, or a cripple could you change that? No yet there will always be someone who is unhappy with what you are… In reality they are unhappy with who they are but they will try to convince you that you’re the one at fault… You are the one needing change not them…


Satanism was started as a cult in San Francisco in the 60's. It has no bearing on your genetic makeup. You were not born a Satanist, you merely added it to yourself. Satanism is merely a name nothing more. Had you not started life in a Judeo-Christian society, what would you call yourself then?

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If you truly have followed an idea to its fullest conclusion, cast it aside for something fuller.

This is impossible… Following an idea gives birth to many more ideas that create a continuation if nothing else of the original idea… Following an idea to the end is a practice of stagnation…


This is true, you have grasped the oxymoron hidden in the statement. It is when the idea becomes stagnant it is then a belief, and thus counter productive!

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Quit pushing how you view yourself on your view of others… Satanism is really not a religious title if it were there would be no need to prefix it with titles of religious belief… There would be no need to further title oneself to help describe their beliefs to others…


First off this is a forum site. I am entitled to pretty much say what I like until reigned in by moderators. A point you yourself have made on several occasions. Secondly, I really have no idea what your saying here. Please clarify. I can't tell which side of the point you are making.

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Most of us started Christian why would we need to take a step backwards? When you start using the title to describe what you are and not as a crutch to what your supposed to be then maybe the beginning of your journey has begun… Until then you are as a baby playing in his own fec


The Christian point was not explained well by myself. My apologies. The point is this:

It is always very easy to except ideas that we agree with. In this facet though we grow little. It is human nature however to seek out those who agree with us. Sometimes it is very therapeutic to seek ideas which our contrary to our own. It becomes interesting to apply that which we know now to contrary ideas. You mention that many came from Christianity. OK so go back with the expanded ideas you have now. It is like going back into a video game dungeon with a new key. You will uncover things you didn't realize originally! I have found most belief systems have many merits if you explore them fully.
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#4052 - 02/10/08 06:36 PM Re: Satanic Scipture's [Re: birdstrike]
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Satanism is a way of life, A lifestile. Humanism with antichrist dogma. Nobody knows what or whom is waiting for us on the other side, if anyone tells you they do, they are full of shit. Religion as a whole is made up by man. Including Satan. Their are forces out their that we as humans do not comprehend, and will never comprehend. An all powerfull force that controls everything, everyone. Nothing can escape this force. Nothing. Its nature. that is the all powerfull force, not god, satan, or any other man made god. It is possable to tap into this force with proper meditation. Some of us can, some cant. People have tapped into this force for centries and called it many names. Satanism is a way of life. A Satanist they call me, A Satanist i am. And i love me and will never change.

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#4053 - 02/10/08 06:48 PM Re: Satanic Scipture's [Re: monkeypaw]
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What relevance exactly does this bear to the topic in question. Thank you for explaining Satanism for us. Who said anything about afterlives? I expected to find a well founded intelligent response from ta2zz when I logged on tonight. I don't think I've really had a good grapple with him since the old forum site. Imagine my disappointment.

I know the posts are long but please do read them before writing stupidity back

Thanks!
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#4055 - 02/10/08 07:00 PM Re: Satanic Scipture's [Re: birdstrike]
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You said in your first paraghaph, The title Satanism has no value, exuse me for thinking you might want to read what someone else thinks about it. Dont act like an ass. I am FAR from stupid. If you are to close-minded to have other people say their opinion, then just say so.
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#4149 - 02/12/08 08:04 PM Re: Satanic Scipture's [Re: AlleQ]
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I was utterly disappointed with the book. My girlfriend at the time had bought it for me as a going-away present when I was deployed, just to give me something to read - though the cover had been changed as the last thing one needs is a bunch of morons rambling on about "You're a devil worshiper!" while you're on tour.

Not to mention, the severe consequences of finding such a book if detected by your not-so-friendly neighbours.

All in all I was disappointed; I thought his writing skills needed much improvement as I found no substance in the book. It was a collection of essays, nothing more, nothing less. They went on as if this book would change the face of Satanism, in my opinion it has just tarnished the reputation of its author. To be absolutely brutal, I think even LaVey might have been disappointed.

Though reading his book has not discouraged my overall opinion about the man. From where I'm standing he's a genuine and thoroughly invoking kind of guy, but as was stated he's certainly no author or philosopher. Kudos for his enthusiasm though.

As for "Essays in Satanism" by Svengali, I hear that was a disappointing read as well. But as I have not read said book, I have no place to judge its contents.
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#4768 - 03/04/08 08:42 PM Re: Satanic Scipture's [Re: DaVinci]
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Yeah the one thing that I do want to do however after alot of practice and meeting with the people in my area for social ritual and ect. Is put out a book on satanic magick, there's the satanic witch but it's more on the female side of thing's I mean it's ok for a guy to read and take notes on but I wanted to do something that's fit's for all. But like I said after alot of participation. And only if im fit enough to do so.
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#4816 - 03/05/08 03:11 PM Re: Satanic Scipture's [Re: AlleQ]
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Often times people take Satanism and Magic(k) on because it makes them feel better then they are or more powerful, etc. This comes across to the reader who takes the time to look at the author as well when judging his or her word. At least when talking about non-fiction that is.

So having said that here are my requirements for taking a magic(k)al instruction book seriously.

First:

1) Live in several other counties while enjoying some amount of success.

2) Make more then enough money to survive.

3) Have ready proof that not only can you get a guy or girl to want/love you but also that you can make a worth while partner over some fair amount of time.

4) Own a home.

5) Have more then 2 people vouch for your all a round magic(k)al prowess.

6) Have a career under your belt that makes you happy and covers your financial needs and then some.

... Just some initial thoughts.

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