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#37256 - 04/02/10 02:23 AM Re: Goodbye, Michael Aquino [Re: Clarence]
Dimitri Offline
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Registered: 07/13/08
Posts: 3138
Just on a side-note:

While he may have given some valuable input about certain points concerning LaVey and the CoS pre-1975, I don't see any problems with him leaving, let alone being "shocked". As far as I am concerned he is just another person who left and couldn't take the heat from certain persons. He made a goodbye comment as some "lurkers" did who simply let me shrug my shoulders.

Perhaps this was a good place for him to become a little nostalgic, yet this board has always been Atheistic oriented and not theistic. A good place to share information and discuss about the history for Satanism for him, bad place for his views concerning Set. (Altough I'm now more inclined to believe he did not actually belief in an anthromorphic deity when reading his discussions on this particular issue and it shouldn't care in the end.)
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#37263 - 04/02/10 07:27 AM Re: Goodbye, Michael Aquino [Re: Dimitri]
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Registered: 09/01/07
Posts: 2175
Loc: US
Indeed, Dimitri, I echo your sentiments.

I'd also like to add that just because a member makes a public statement about leaving this site, does not mean they will never come back at a later date. Mr. Aquino joined knowing full well he was going against the grain, yet managed to stick it out for much longer than I expected anyone to, given the amount of insults and taunts that were thrown at him. But I'm sure he expected no small amount of it, and I don't believe that was the sole reason for his departure. Rather, I think interest in Set and the TOS was on the wane, so he took the opportunity to bow out.

His account is still active, and if he would like to come back he would be welcome to. I doubt anyone's opinions about his interpretations of Satanism would change, but he still has valuable input to offer.
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#37280 - 04/02/10 03:23 PM Re: Goodbye, Michael Aquino [Re: Nemesis]
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Registered: 02/17/10
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Loc: Texas
Dammit!

I had just finished reading his ToS book yesterday and have many questions. Hopefully he isn't loathe to answer a few e-mails.

Hate to see ya go, Doc. \:\(
Your perspective has always been...refreshing.
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#37287 - 04/02/10 05:14 PM Re: Goodbye, Michael Aquino [Re: CanisMajor]
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Registered: 03/17/10
Posts: 68
Loc: Detroit, MI
Honestly, if anything the information he posted helps people like me who agree with TSB but who are not atheists understand themselves a little more. My conceptions of the powers that be have nothing to do with the Judeo-Christian mythos, but are nonetheless are very real based on my own experiences. A proper Modern Satanist may say, "You're not a Satanist if you're not Atheist!" That's ok, really! Anyone that thinks as such is entitled to that view as far as I am concerned, but I do feel some apprehension in calling it a religion in and of itself due to fact that Atheism is actually the lack of any belief in the supernatural.

I would have described myself the same way as most of the individuals here, and as a matter of fact did for about fifteen years of my Satanic journey. It certainly would waste any readers time here to explain why when they really don't need me to tell them they just need to find these answers themselves. You can't objectively prove a subjective experience without the point of a sword so I'll spare everyone the drama.

I feel a deep bond with the writings of both LaVey and Aquino and if anything Dr. Aquino's writings have done much to grow the seeds of LaVey's wisdom in my mind. I feel that he is much more of an admirer of LaVey than a detractor, even knowing of much of the debauchery within the CoS he has done his best to keep it factual and take the good with the bad. I can respect that greatly in any case, and I do feel that we have lost a valued resource.

Am I a Satanist? Yes, and no. My beliefs encompass the entirety of Modern Satanism, but expand it in several different directions and thanks to Dr. Aquino I know that I am not the only one treading this dangerous path. So a sincere thank you is certainly in order!

Thanks for your time Dr. Aquino!

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#37318 - 04/02/10 10:36 PM Re: Goodbye, Michael Aquino [Re: Mindmaster]
School Bully Offline
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Registered: 08/28/07
Posts: 142
Loc: Melbourne
Dammit! As fire drives out fire, so pity, pity. On this ship of fools where lesser minds have an extraordinary talent of talking much, and saying nothing, the only intelligent form of life has jumped overboard.

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#37331 - 04/03/10 06:10 AM Re: Goodbye, Michael Aquino [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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Registered: 08/28/07
Posts: 142
Loc: Melbourne
Yes, I think you're getting confused between "backhanded compliment" and direct insult..... "backhanded insult" doesn't really make much sense, does it.

If you're going to criticize my posts, at least try to make it reasonably accurate.

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#37334 - 04/03/10 09:01 AM Re: Goodbye, Michael Aquino [Re: School Bully]
William Wright Offline
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Registered: 10/25/09
Posts: 862
Loc: Nashville
School Bully, if “the only intelligent form of life has jumped overboard”, as you put it, then why are you still here? Engaging in conversations with fools would be foolish on your part. Then again, saying Aquino was the only intelligent form of life here would suggest that you think you are a fool as well. Unless you meant to say “the only intelligent form of life besides myself”, which would’ve been foolish for you to leave out.

If you’re going to put people down, at least think it through before you speak.
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#37344 - 04/03/10 05:09 PM Re: Goodbye, Michael Aquino [Re: William Wright]
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Registered: 10/08/08
Posts: 3887
Loc: Vancouver, Canada
Oh no aquino is leaving? Who will take up the mantle of 'set'ting all us poor misguided atheists pretending to be Satanists straight? A profound loss indeed.

Now if all of the mush minded theists that followed him here follow him out, perhaps this place will return to normal \:\)

Good riddance.
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#37345 - 04/03/10 05:56 PM Poof! [Re: William Wright]
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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Registered: 09/28/08
Posts: 2573
Loc: San Francisco, CA, USA
Upon reflection I would like to drop back into the 600 Club one more time to express my appreciation for the general quality of the intellectual acumen and discussion that I have seen here. This intentionally includes the depth and substance of many posts at odds with or directly disagreeing with my own.

We all improve our perspective by being exposed to and seriously considering others. Sometimes it is all the more important to seek out comments and criticism that are distinctly outside one’s “comfort zone” of same. Some 600C members have asserted that most, if not everyone here shares certain presumptions (such as Satanism as Atheism). This has the tacit effect of removing those presumptions from the microscope, which simplifies lesser discussions but also risks the greater ones being taken for granted.

Other themed-environments experience the same “tunnel vision”, and the Temple of Set is no exception. Conversing on matters of importance to us, primarily among ourselves, we tend to see, accept, and reinforce ideas and interpretations pleasing and reassuring to us.

And out there in the World of Horrors of the Great Unwashed, it is the same. In my professional field of PSYOP it is axiomatic that people hear what they want to hear. If you don’t tell it to them, they will find someone else who will. Thus the “secret” of PSYOP is not to appear to be trying to change anyone’s mind; it is to imperceptibly influence them to reinterpret what they already believe.

So even at its “harshest” the 600 Club has been extremely valuable and educational to me, particularly while I am at work on my Temple of Set ebook memoir. It has forced me that much more, and in some very essential contexts, to “think outside the Pentagram”.

One of Plato’s most interesting assertions, I have always thought, is that “no one intentionally does evil”. By this he meant simply that in each individual’s eyes his actions are justified. This consequently and necessarily defines “evil” as something “beyond the self”. It is what others think, or how nature reacts (e.g. to ecosystem destruction, etc.). Thus for each of us the assertion of our preferred viewpoint has a dimension beyond mere reassurance; it also rises to the level of a virtue, a personally-enshrined truth. Hence its contradiction by others does not provoke merely intellectual disagreement, but a kind of emotional outrage at such heresy. We are challenged not simply to out-argue the challenger; we must cleanse him, wash his mind clean; only then will we be completely safe. “I beseech you, in the bowels of Christ,” said Oliver Cromwell to the Scottish Presbyterians, “think it possible you may be mistaken.” [Well, I’ve always thought that Christianity has its head up its ass.]

Accordingly when contesting posts here have been accented with a dash of emotion (anger, contempt, sarcasm), that should be expected and understood in this flavor. In one of my oft-quoted favorites, John Fowles’ The Magus, Conchis’ mentor de Deukans leaves him as part of his bequest this fragment: “Utram bibis? Aquam an undam? [Which are you drinking? The water or the wave?]” A reminder, I think, that we are wise to drink the water and focus on the actual idea at issue.

As a closing postscript, during the on/off discussions of belief in Satan as a necessity for Satanists, what do you think would be Satan’s reaction if, upon meeting him, you said, “I believe in you.”? I suspect his answer would be “Why? And why do you feel you need to? What I believed in, what wrenched me free from God, was no more and no less than myself as a distinct, isolate entity. If you wish to take my name as your inspiration and example in a similar self-affirmation, well and good. But belief plays no part in this; that would indeed be the mere masking of the clear sight you have just proclaimed.”

And now, although eleventy-one years is far too short a time to spend among such excellent and admirable hobbits, this is the end. I am going. I am leaving now. Good-bye!
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#37346 - 04/03/10 07:41 PM Re: Poof! [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
Born Offline
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Registered: 10/17/09
Posts: 22
Loc: Ontario, Canada
I rarely get the opportunity to drop in here, but when I do...your posts and responses were among the many that gave me a great deal to either look further into, or reflect upon. As many have stated here, your contributions will be missed and it was a pleasure to interact with you Michael (Mr. Aquino), even if only for a short time...

Thank you again and best wishes in all your current and future endeavors.
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#37371 - 04/04/10 11:24 PM Re: Poof! [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
William Wright Offline
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Registered: 10/25/09
Posts: 862
Loc: Nashville
Dr. Aquino, quickly as you ride off into the sunset:

Although I maintain my position regarding initiation within the Temple, I wish I hadn’t made my point in such a mean-spirited way. I apologize for that.

The part in your last post when you suspected what Satan might say upon us meeting him was fucking brilliant. It simply and directly transcended the tired Theist/Atheist pissing contests that have marred many otherwise constructive discussions here. Thank you for sharing it.

Adios, mi amigo.
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#37398 - 04/05/10 06:42 PM Re: Poof! [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
MatthewJ1
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To Dr Aquino,

At first I was thinking that your departure was just an April fools gag and you would front up in a day or two and say: Got ya!

Sir, are you prepared to return by popular demand? As you can see you have a number of fans and well wishers here.

Also, you have the small issue of the post count to contend with. You had first announced your departure at post number 400, which was quite a neat way to end things here. The problem now is that you have added an additional post to take the count up to 401, which is not such a neat ending. Would you be prepared to take the post count up to 450 or 500 in order to have that neat ending and then you can finish up?

If you do make a come back than you will have to put up with people attacking your position as per usual, but I feel that you love it here Dr. A, just as many of us do and I suspect that you will lurk here at the 600C and read and be sorely tempted to add a post or two. Time will tell.

Quality discussion and debate can only take place with a quality opposition and opponents who will hold that mirror up.

Anyway if you don’t make a come back than my best to you. I have a lot of studies to get into based on your reading list and LaVey’s as well.

I have a very high regard for you and Dr. LaVey’s expertise and experience, as I have said before in another thread. I, however, have taken note of the conversation with Satan and his response in your last post.

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#37410 - 04/06/10 03:32 AM Re: Poof! [Re: ]
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Sir, are you prepared to return by popular demand? As you can see you have a number of fans and well wishers here.


I would think the man is more intelligent then to give in to popular demand. He comes and goes as he sees fit. Fuck popular demand, and any other kind of demand.
Just because people wish him well doesn’t make them “fans.” Some of us see him as a man who deserves a certain amount of respect even if we don’t agree with him, but that certainly doesn’t mean that we are “fans.”

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Also, you have the small issue of the post count to contend with. You had first announced your departure at post number 400, which was quite a neat way to end things here.


Numbers? really? You think he gives a shit about the number of posts he made? You say you respect the man, yet think so little of him that you would actually think he gives a flying fuck about the neatness of the number of posts?

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Quality discussion and debate can only take place with a quality opposition and opponents who will hold that mirror up.


One might think that someone who used to be in Psyops or what ever it's called would know this, but thanks for the third grade lesson in the art of debate.
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#37411 - 04/06/10 03:41 AM Re: Poof! [Re: Asmedious]
MatthewJ1
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I couldn't care less what you think to be honest. Mind your own business.

Portions of this post were meant to be light hearted and a bit of fun.

Obviously Dr. Aquino is going to know everything I have stated here.

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#37433 - 04/06/10 07:46 PM Re: Poof! [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
MatthewJ1
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To Maw,

You are correct. It is time to move along as I don’t think there is anything further for me to see here in this thread.

To Asmedious,

My apologies for the lack of courtesy and for the lack of quality in my prior posts.

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