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#372 - 09/16/07 11:18 AM The Satan / God Whisperer…
ta2zz Offline
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The Satan / God Whisperer… (Those who talk to shadows)

People who make such claims have some serious issues… We seem to attract a lot of people who just seem to be not much more than insecure children who seem to have much to prove… Perhaps some are actual nut jobs…

Some of the signs are, including but not limited to:

How special they are for being able to communicate with supernatural beings and how they have access to secret information… When you point things out to them the standard response is something along the lines of how left out “we” are because “we” do not share their delusions…

Imagine how much attention they receive as they cruse the Christian sites saying that Satan talks to them… Do they realize we see so much of it here that they are not special in any way?

My suggestions to such people are keep your so called secrets to yourself… While your parlor magic might amuse or impress your girlfriend and most teenagers, it does nothing here but show us a lot about your flawed mental process or a pitiful cry for attention…

Remember hearing voices especially with the added symptom of delusions is a problem it should not be treated with the attitude of “who knows what is out there”… These are real mental problems not a theory but real and could become serious…

The following medical conditions are some of the possible causes of Hearing voices. There are likely to be other possible causes, so ask your doctor about your symptoms.

· Schizophrenia
· Psychosis
· Psychotic depression
· Falling asleep - some people hear their name called.
· hallucinations

Taken from Here


Now if you are really hearing voices I would suggest first laying off the recreational drugs, and seeing a doctor before you do something to seriously harm someone you love or yourself… It is not hard and in most communities you can go to the local hospital and check yourself in for evaluation… You may need medication or perhaps just a person who cares (or gets paid to)…

While there is a movement thinking that people who hear voices are enhanced humans based on the facts that some people do not become patients… I think that if someone believes that Satan told them that LaVey is the son of Leviathan, and that god helped bring him here… On the power of that delusion alone… Seek help…
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Closing thought…

In reality on an internet forum they harm no one but themselves and the weak minded with these delusions of grandeur… No matter if the problem is mental or a pitiful cry for attention, in real life without help they harm those most close to them such as friends, family, their partners, or children…

Thank you for reading…


Edited by ta2zz (09/16/07 11:25 AM)
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#398 - 09/17/07 04:23 PM Re: The Satan / God Whisperer… [Re: ta2zz]
Brother J Offline
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Registered: 09/10/07
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Loc: Saint Louis, MO
 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
The Satan / God Whisperer… (Those who talk to shadows)

People who make such claims have some serious issues… We seem to attract a lot of people who just seem to be not much more than insecure children who seem to have much to prove… Perhaps some are actual nut jobs…

Some of the signs are, including but not limited to:

How special they are for being able to communicate with supernatural beings and how they have access to secret information… When you point things out to them the standard response is something along the lines of how left out “we” are because “we” do not share their delusions…

Imagine how much attention they receive as they cruse the Christian sites saying that Satan talks to them… Do they realize we see so much of it here that they are not special in any way?

My suggestions to such people are keep your so called secrets to yourself… While your parlor magic might amuse or impress your girlfriend and most teenagers, it does nothing here but show us a lot about your flawed mental process or a pitiful cry for attention…

Remember hearing voices especially with the added symptom of delusions is a problem it should not be treated with the attitude of “who knows what is out there”… These are real mental problems not a theory but real and could become serious…

The following medical conditions are some of the possible causes of Hearing voices. There are likely to be other possible causes, so ask your doctor about your symptoms.

· Schizophrenia
· Psychosis
· Psychotic depression
· Falling asleep - some people hear their name called.
· hallucinations

Taken from Here


Now if you are really hearing voices I would suggest first laying off the recreational drugs, and seeing a doctor before you do something to seriously harm someone you love or yourself… It is not hard and in most communities you can go to the local hospital and check yourself in for evaluation… You may need medication or perhaps just a person who cares (or gets paid to)…

While there is a movement thinking that people who hear voices are enhanced humans based on the facts that some people do not become patients… I think that if someone believes that Satan told them that LaVey is the son of Leviathan, and that god helped bring him here… On the power of that delusion alone… Seek help…
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Closing thought…

In reality on an internet forum they harm no one but themselves and the weak minded with these delusions of grandeur… No matter if the problem is mental or a pitiful cry for attention, in real life without help they harm those most close to them such as friends, family, their partners, or children…

Thank you for reading…



Firstly, this post of yours has been started due to my arrival on the forum and my posts. Good, I see I've gotten some recognition.

However, I am no child, nor do I have any mental disabilities, mental "issues" or diseases of any form.

If you wish to not have belief then fine, so be it, I'm all for it. However you seem to be exactly like the worse of every religion, judgmental, and all around ignorant.

Yes, I have claimed to have spoken to Satan. Do you have a problem with that? Do you not enjoy the fact that like me, many others can do so, yet you cannot? You seem to think we are all nut jobs, or have mental problems like you stated in this post, but that is not the case.

Belief, however, is. In order to speak you have to break free of your rather...depressing...limitations. You will have to get rid of that fear that you hold for there actually being something else and you being wrong. Then, when you are on the brink of actually holding some belief, something "magical" will happen, please note that the last sentence of this little rant has been typed out like I would speak to a child, and you will get that final push to where you can 1) See energies flowing throughout the room 2) hear beings that you once thought not to exist 3) actually bend the energies earlier mentioned to your will.

That is Occult for you, in a nut shell. The only way to possibly use any of it is to have belief, and will power. You my friend are definitely lacking in at lease one of those categories, not sure of the second.

Now, if you don't mind, I'd like to continue my searching through the forum without any further interruptions that involve you trying to put down what I believe. I don't go around saying you are a moron for not believing, in fact, any comment that has been directed towards you, has been a direct response to your own ignorant remarks.

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#407 - 09/17/07 06:37 PM Re: The Satan / God Whisperer… [Re: Brother J]
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Firstly, this post of yours has been started due to my arrival on the forum and my posts.


See how important Mr. Satan has made you? People are paying attention to you.

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....nor do I have any mental disabilities, mental "issues" or diseases of any form.


My experience on working in Intensive Care Psychiatry for nine years, is that, most people with mental issues and diseases, don't believe that they have any....until the Haldol and Thorazine take effect.

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However you seem to be exactly like the worse of every religion, judgmental, and all around ignorant.


Ta2zz is just jealous because Mr. Satan doesn't talk to him. He's not special.

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Yes, I have claimed to have spoken to Satan.

Claimed to, or did?

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Do you not enjoy the fact that like me, many others can do so, yet you cannot?


Well, I sure do enjoy it, along with watching people preach on the street corner about the "End of times."

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Belief, however, is. In order to speak you have to break free of your rather...depressing...limitations.


I know what you mean. His limitations depress me as well. I get very upset with him, and sometimes send angry messages through my looking glass to him!

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That is Occult for you, in a nut shell.


Hmmm, come to think of it, the human body is a shell, so if someone is crazy, they are a nut shell. No offense, just thinking.

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The only way to possibly use any of it is to have belief,


Amen to that one. Hell with facts, and tangible proof. Just B.E.L.I.E.V.E.

...then click your ruby slippers three times, and repeat...there is no place like sanity..there is no place like sanity.

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Now, if you don't mind, I'd like to continue my searching through the forum without any further interruptions that involve you trying to put down what I believe.


I agree. His damn interruptions always make it difficult to hear the "voices" from the great realm beyond.
Now, cut that out Ta2zz!!!
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#408 - 09/17/07 06:49 PM Re: The Satan / God Whisperer… [Re: Brother J]
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Let me show you how it is done son…

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Firstly, this post of yours has been started due to my arrival on the forum and my posts.


Trust you are not the first nor will you be the last to claim such grandiose bullshit… Do not flatter yourself so…

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Good, I see I've gotten some recognition.


Oh you have but not in the way that you think…

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However, I am no child, nor do I have any mental disabilities, mental "issues" or diseases of any form.


Ok then you are just delusional and use this ploy for attention… Did you miss that part?

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However you seem to be exactly like the worse of every religion, judgmental, and all around ignorant.


Really if you notice I mention a group that thinks that some humans hear voices and are normal… I unlike those others you speak with have an open enough mind to believe that perhaps hearing voices for some is similar to those with synesthesia…

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Yes, I have claimed to have spoken to Satan. Do you have a problem with that?


No these delusions are your problem… Keep talking…

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Do you not enjoy the fact that like me, many others can do so, yet you cannot? You seem to think we are all nut jobs, or have mental problems like you stated in this post, but that is not the case.


Do you read anything or just quote it so we think you read it…

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Belief, however, is.


Belief = blind faith… How do you know you are not a nut job? Do you think you would know? Believing your experience is real does nothing to make it real…

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You will have to get rid of that fear that you hold for there actually being something else and you being wrong.


Only one way to know… When I get there I will know just as you… I bet I am right but in the long run what does it matter… You are a meaningless ant as I in the scale of the universe… Fear of what was that again?

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Then, when you are on the brink of actually holding some belief, something "magical" will happen


Damn my belief just shot warm sticky goo into my boxers…

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please note that the last sentence of this little rant has been typed out like I would speak to a child


Would that be this sentence?

“I don't go around saying you are a moron for not believing, in fact, any comment that has been directed towards you, has been a direct response to your own ignorant remarks.”

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and you will get that final push to where you can 1) See energies flowing throughout the room 2) hear beings that you once thought not to exist 3) actually bend the energies earlier mentioned to your will.


I see energy in the room through the fact that the lights are lit, and the tattoo machines are running… I bend it to my will when I flip the switch or press on the foot pedal…

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That is Occult for you, in a nut shell.


Oh wait so not only are you a super shrink knowing people through a few paragraphs, but you are also an expert on the occult… Heh…

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The only way to possibly use any of it is to have belief, and will power. You my friend are definitely lacking in at lease one of those categories, not sure of the second.


I am but a little lost sheep I guess…

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Now, if you don't mind, I'd like to continue my searching through the forum without any further interruptions that involve you trying to put down what I believe.


Do you know where the fuck you are? You had better have some proof here before shooting off with your CHILDISH bullshit… You impress nobody here other than perhaps your girl…

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I don't go around saying you are a moron for not believing


Do you feel like a moron? I never called you a moron but now that you mention it… You did mention that Satan talks to you and not to bash you in the same sentence…

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in fact, any comment that has been directed towards you, has been a direct response to your own ignorant remarks.


Ditto…

S.S.D.D. (Same Shit Different DUDE)
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#409 - 09/17/07 06:52 PM Re: The Satan / God Whisperer… [Re: Asmedious]
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 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
Now, cut that out Ta2zz!!!


It is in my nature...

Damn you for beating my response...
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#470 - 09/19/07 10:43 AM Re: The Satan / God Whisperer… [Re: ta2zz]
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Impress me? Come on now. Don't drag me into this argument ta2zz.
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#475 - 09/19/07 01:54 PM Re: The Satan / God Whisperer… [Re: LadyChaos]
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 Originally Posted By: LadyChaos
Impress me? Come on now. Don't drag me into this argument ta2zz.

Actually this post was a generalization of quite a few types that have been here before and will be here again… Mostly they hear or talk to god, they feel they are superior because they are gifted, and they act like a dog backed into a corner at any challenge to their claims… Snapping at air, clacking their teeth… Sometimes their statement of talking to make believe beings is followed directly by a statement to not make fun of or challenge their belief, etc…

I pointed my finger at nobody… I made no solid connections in what I wrote and you or yours… You both have chosen to make that connection… Public even…

I will admit I was looking at your response like who the heck, what? I did not even remember who you were…

I am what I am unlike some I can take it as well as dish it out, but serve a dish that is well prepared… I do not eat any old shit…

Those who crack under simple sarcasm should not call themselves sarcastic… Remember there will always be a bigger or smarter dog in the field…

Good day…
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#499 - 09/20/07 03:07 AM Re: The Satan / God Whisperer… [Re: ta2zz]
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I am the queen of sarcasm. I have yet to find someone who can better that. lol.
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#525 - 09/21/07 03:58 AM Re: The Satan / God Whisperer… [Re: LadyChaos]
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Wow, Ta2zz thinks he know's it all. Well thats just grand Ta2zz lol. Well you go right ahead babydoll and belive what you want to belive, thinking that you are right and know one else is unless they think like you. Why don't you just claim christianity, because your just like them. Every one has there own excperiances and belifes. So who are you to say your right and every body else is wrong? Everybody to there own belifes man, but I bet you think your wiser and smarter then Crowley. It's all about you, is'nt it Mr. Ta2zz. ((( WELL SAID BROTHER J. ))) Satnism, know matter if your theistic or atheistic is free thought and free will. Satanism is not conformity because some one else thinks there right and your wrong. Every time you open your mouth Ta2zz all I here is if I don't think like you then I'm childish and or delusional. Every time you open your mouth all I here is you should be like me, because your delusional and your way of thought/belife is wrong. All I here is conformaty, conformaty, conformaty to your way of thinking and belife. I say who the fuck are you. I know. Your a joke, a self centerd joke.

Edited by darkstar6979 (09/21/07 04:02 AM)
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#527 - 09/21/07 04:31 AM Re: The Satan / God Whisperer… [Re: darkstar6979]
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WTF is wrong with you people? First, I can't understand how it can be so hard to reply to the person you are really writing to, and second, how can it be so nigh impossible to write understandable english and not near english blabber...

And it appears like you are childish and delusional, your text is unintelligent, uncomprehensible, and spiced with poor ettempt at sarcasm. You make quite a lot of assumptions, and thus not one thing you say of the other is based on reality, doesn't that alone make you a bit delusional...
When reading your posts, I can't help but think that the text I'm reading is that of a 13 year old. Now I haven't checked your profile whether you are still in your early teens, so don't know if I even could be right.

You'd do well to read more and write less. A good tip is, after inserting the url on your browser and logging in, tell your mother/sibling to hide your keyboard from you so you won't even accidentally make a post you haven't properly thought through...

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#531 - 09/21/07 10:11 AM Re: The Satan / God Whisperer… [Re: darkstar6979]
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 Originally Posted By: darkstar6979
Wow, Ta2zz thinks he know's it all. Well thats just grand Ta2zz lol. Well you go right ahead babydoll and belive what you want to belive, thinking that you are right and know one else is unless they think like you. Why don't you just claim christianity, because your just like them.


Many of the older members of this forum can be opinionated and tetchy. However if you are willing to listen they will teach you an incredible amount. Its obvious from your response that you take this personal and you are defensive. Are you stepping outside of that and really seeing what is being said here. Remember, there are disadvantages and weaknesses in every system and we seldom see our own. Criticism is the simplest way to see through the eyes of others.

 Originally Posted By: darkstar6979
Every one has there own excperiances and belifes. So who are you to say your right and every body else is wrong? Everybody to there own belifes man, but I bet you think your wiser and smarter then Crowley. It's all about you, is'nt it Mr. Ta2zz. ((( WELL SAID BROTHER J. ))) Satnism, know matter if your theistic or atheistic is free thought and free will. Satanism is not conformity because some one else thinks there right and your wrong.


Satanism is not atheistic, it is me-theistic. Its simply a specific set of tools used by unique men and women who have a spark of greatness. People who strive their entire lives to constantly improve. These people study, learn, and forge themselves in order to manifest that greatness. While I respect the right of Satan worshipers to believe whatever they want. I do not like them calling themselves Satanists.

Hiding in a closet preying to a picture, or plastic statue is ...unremarkable.

Its passively asking someone else to improve your life. It also blurs the concept of cause and effect. When something unfortunate happens in your life, you are struck with the uncomfortable feeling that unseen forces were involved. On the other hand, the Satanist steps back and sees how his rival employee used smarts and tactics in order to out maneuver him.

The result of these two outlooks is important. The satanist who was able to identify the true enemy now has a chance to fight back. The Religionists fearing ghosts, does a ritual to cleanse himself. He now lives in doubt. He wonders; Who has done this? Are they powerful? Will my counter spell completely work? His mind is distracted from the real problem.

One is empowered and begins planning a response, the other is hampered by his perception, and will respond with inaction (in the physical world).

Chris
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#533 - 09/21/07 11:03 AM Re: The Satan / God Whisperer… [Re: darkstar6979]
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 Originally Posted By: darkstar6979
Wow, Ta2zz thinks he know's it all.

Right this can be proven when I say “you should be aware that there will always be a bigger or smarter dog in the field”…

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Well thats just grand Ta2zz

You should have used the word “swell”…

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Well you go right ahead babydoll and belive what you want to belive, thinking that you are right and know one else is unless they think like you.

Was my nighty showing? *blushes*

You would do well to not project your feelings on others behavior…

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Why don't you just claim christianity, because your just like them.

I would ask you to clarify yourself but if you do please compose yourself better these posts may well be here for a very long time…

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Every one has there own excperiances and belifes.

Yes but not everyone has their own alphabet… You should really read more before you post… Beyond your atrocious spelling and composure when you go and try to teach me something I already stated, it makes you look really bad…

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So who are you to say your right and every body else is wrong?

I am ta2zz I have been a member of this forum for 3-4 years I believe… I am respected by some and hated by others… I have had my own hate thread as well as people who praise me for my way… Like it or lump it I contribute to this forum… This is who I am… Now I never say everybody is wrong but you sure are…

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Everybody to there own belifes man, but I bet you think your wiser and smarter then Crowley.

Agreed but keep your fantastical beliefs to yourself… Fact if you think you talk to a god, devil, demon and you have no further symptoms of Schizophrenia then it is likely you suffer from grandiose delusions… Crowley wasn’t that the guy who went mad and died from a STD… Thelemites now seriously?

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It's all about you, is'nt it Mr. Ta2zz.

It is…

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((( WELL SAID BROTHER J. ))) Satnism, know matter if your theistic or atheistic is free thought and free will.

In actuality BJ tried to use the term Atheist as a derogatory comment… You did not understand that did you… Poor boy…

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Satanism is not conformity because some one else thinks there right and your wrong.

I should start a statue series called Satanism is… Cute little chubby Satan holding the baby Jesus saying “Satanism is knowing fact from fantasy”…

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Every time you open your mouth Ta2zz all I here is if I don't think like you then I'm childish and or delusional. Every time you open your mouth all I here is you should be like me, because your delusional and your way of thought/belife is wrong. All I here is conformaty, conformaty, conformaty to your way of thinking and belife.

Sorry you have such issues holding you back…

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I say who the fuck are you.

*explained above* Just in case you forgot to read…

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I know. Your a joke, a self centerd joke.

Me self centered, you are joking…

Read more, take a comprehension lesson, and a deep breath and realize that if you are trying to say something to any of us here… Do it with style…

~T~
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#541 - 09/21/07 07:10 PM Re: The Satan / God Whisperer… [Re: ta2zz]
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Wow ta2zz you are a true fool lol. MCAS TEK, Lavey's teaching of modern Satanism is atheistic. Traditional Satanism of history and many people today are theistic satanist's. But again modern Satanism/Lavey Satanism is atheistic. I do know that I have much to learn. I know I don't know it all, but for the people that think they do know it all, need to stop talking.
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#545 - 09/21/07 11:58 PM Re: The Satan / God Whisperer… [Re: darkstar6979]
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Repeating the phrase "ta2zz you are a fool" does nothing for your argument. Take a moment to slow down and read what the user is posting, and then take another moment to understand it.

I believe that the forum is a relatively flexible place for discussion, but rational debate is the arbiter of choice for us here; this excludes both ad hominem attacks and theists of all stripes.

Traditional Satanism is, in my eyes, more contemptible than Christianity, if only because TS truly is a magnet for weak willed mental midgets; Christianity just does not stand a chance competing with the sheer stupidity of Traditional Satanism.

Traditional Satanism is predicated on exactly the same axioms as Christianity, TS simply comes to conclusions that seem different 'on the surface'. Fundamentally, TS has more in common with Christianity than it does with so-called Modern or LaVeyan Satanism. Ta2zz is right to sneer at theists, whether they call themselves Satanists or Christians.

PS. use spell check to your advantage

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#951 - 10/07/07 04:15 PM Re: The Satan / God Whisperer… [Re: ballbreaker]
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It seems to me that these people who claim to hear these voices, perform magic(k), ect. and claim to worship an actull entity called Satan, are just as crazy as these fundamentalist christians. They believe in the same things, just the opposite side of the story and they believe in that there god will kick the other god's ass. These are the exact same values that christians seem to believe and speak for with so much "divine clarification" that whatever they experience or think is the "truth". These people are just a load of bullshit to me, and they are the same as the damned christians, crazy.

Just my two cents

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#2875 - 12/23/07 03:25 PM Re: The Satan / God Whisperer… [Re: babybat]
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Hate to bump an old thread, but, in contrast to what some here may think, I do believe words have great power. Granted, some may think it's ridiculous to even assume that magic and occult rituals can work, or even exist, however, giving belief in such could make the possibility true. The human mind is extremely powerful and if one were to unlock the recesses that most of us do not use, the possibilities are endless.
A good example is Voodoo. Granted some of us do not think it is much to be worried about or is even powerful, but to those who believe, the power is great. Those same believers have died from being cursed from a Voodoo witchdoctor, or whatever they are called. Simply because they believed it.
I personally think that it's whatever the mind believes to be true. Same goes for those "bad luck" curses, like broken mirrors and walking under ladders.
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#2894 - 12/24/07 11:40 AM Re: The Satan / God Whisperer… [Re: LadyChaos]
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 Originally Posted By: LadyChaos
Hate to bump an old thread,

As this thread was spawned from the ideas under a different topic, with a bit more work as I did, you could have simply made another…

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but, in contrast to what some here may think, I do believe words have great power.

No one here has said that words are not powerful… Quite the opposite actually…

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Granted, some may think it's ridiculous to even assume that magic and occult rituals can work, or even exist, however, giving belief in such could make the possibility true.

Ok one more time… Magic works like prayer if you believe it then you will fit the puzzle to the pieces… If it works then you will praise gods or your own power… If it doesn’t work then you will “believe” that your “belief” is not strong enough in either god or magic…

So while words can be very powerful indeed, belief in something unbelievable can make it real in your head… Should you so choose to cloud yourself… I have gotten here by purging such trivial thoughts…

Does giving belief to Santa or the tooth-fairy make them possible?

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The human mind is extremely powerful and if one were to unlock the recesses that most of us do not use, the possibilities are endless.

Are we now talking hidden recesses of the mind, ESP, telekinesis? Please do not say that we only use X% of our brain as that belief is older than I am and unlike myself outdated…

Communications with make believe beings and how these people either seek treatment or feel special was the original topic…

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A good example is Voodoo. Granted some of us do not think it is much to be worried about or is even powerful, but to those who believe, the power is great. Those same believers have died from being cursed from a Voodoo witchdoctor, or whatever they are called. Simply because they believed it.

So LC while your example of voodoo being a very poor choice to explain these unused recesses in the brain… It does show that belief not words might be a powerful thing to those who believe… It also shows that belief in silly things might also be unhealthy at times… Of course those people you speak of might just have died… So this proves nothing but my previous statement…

Belief and blind faith simply make you fit the questions to the answers, or pieces to the puzzle…

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I personally think that it's whatever the mind believes to be true. Same goes for those "bad luck" curses, like broken mirrors and walking under ladders.

I had said “Belief = blind faith… Believing your experience is real does nothing to make it real…” I should have written it better stating “believing your experience is real does nothing to make it real, to anyone other than yourself…”

Good luck on your path

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#2895 - 12/24/07 12:47 PM Re: The Satan / God Whisperer… [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz

 Originally Posted By: LadyChaos
Hate to bump an old thread,

As this thread was spawned from the ideas under a different topic, with a bit more work as I did, you could have simply made another…

I felt it was part of this thread, and instead of making something duplicate or similar, I chose to put it here. I think it goes along with the original idea. This thread has touched other topics that were relative, so I assumed it was appropriate. But thanks for the suggestion.
 Originally Posted By: ta2zz

 Originally Posted By: LadyChaos
but, in contrast to what some here may think, I do believe words have great power.

No one here has said that words are not powerful… Quite the opposite actually…

Care to demonstrate how all of the forum is under that assumption? I said some not all. ;\)

 Originally Posted By: ta2zz

 Originally Posted By: LadyChaos
Granted, some may think it's ridiculous to even assume that magic and occult rituals can work, or even exist, however, giving belief in such could make the possibility true.

Ok one more time… Magic works like prayer if you believe it then you will fit the puzzle to the pieces… If it works then you will praise gods or your own power… If it doesn’t work then you will “believe” that your “belief” is not strong enough in either god or magic…

So while words can be very powerful indeed, belief in something unbelievable can make it real in your head… Should you so choose to cloud yourself… I have gotten here by purging such trivial thoughts…

I agree with this statement, but again we have our own realities that we perceive. You and I experience something most consider to be "real" such as the physical world, yet our experiences are vastly different based on perception. When something fails, I arguably want to say it is based on not believing that it will. I know honestly that many people will not believe that, and that's fine. I've just had a fascinating curiosity with quantum physics, neuroscience and epistemology. For example
* The universe is best seen as constructed from thought (or ideas) rather than from substance.
* What has long been considered "empty space" is anything but empty.
* Our beliefs about who we are and what is real are not simply observations, but rather form ourselves and our realities.
* Peptides manufactured in the brain can cause a bodily reaction to an emotion, resulting in a new perspective to old adages such as "think positively" and "be careful what you wish for."
I this is what I chose to believe, so if you can agree that words are powerful, then you can see where I am coming from.

 Originally Posted By: ta2zz

 Originally Posted By: LadyChaos
The human mind is extremely powerful and if one were to unlock the recesses that most of us do not use, the possibilities are endless.

Are we now talking hidden recesses of the mind, ESP, telekinesis? Please do not say that we only use X% of our brain as that belief is older than I am and unlike myself outdated…

Communications with make believe beings and how these people either seek treatment or feel special was the original topic…

I'm simply stating that not all of us use the brainpower that we are capable of. The myth of only using a small percentage of our brains is ridiculous. That is not the direction I was going, my apologies if you assumed I was.

 Originally Posted By: ta2zz

 Originally Posted By: LadyChaos
A good example is Voodoo. Granted some of us do not think it is much to be worried about or is even powerful, but to those who believe, the power is great. Those same believers have died from being cursed from a Voodoo witchdoctor, or whatever they are called. Simply because they believed it.

So LC while your example of voodoo being a very poor choice to explain these unused recesses in the brain… It does show that belief not words might be a powerful thing to those who believe… It also shows that belief in silly things might also be unhealthy at times… Of course those people you speak of might just have died… So this proves nothing but my previous statement…

Belief and blind faith simply make you fit the questions to the answers or pieces to the puzzle…

I was not making excuses for the possibilities of Voodoo being a subject of lack of use in the brain. I was making a point on how belief in something being so strong, that the person actually dies. There are documented cases of such. A perfectly healthy person, is cursed, believes they are cursed, and lays down and dies. Of course it is unhealthy, I never promoted it being healthy.
 Originally Posted By: ta2zz

 Originally Posted By: LadyChaos
I personally think that it's whatever the mind believes to be true. Same goes for those "bad luck" curses, like broken mirrors and walking under ladders.

I had said “Belief = blind faith… Believing your experience is real does nothing to make it real…” I should have written it better stating “believing your experience is real does nothing to make it real, to anyone other than yourself…”

Good luck on your path

~T~

I agree with this, and thats basically what I have been trying to say all along. However, there is such a thing as cause and effect, and when you take action, or have belief in something, you most certainly effect others with said beliefs. No matter if it is negative or positive. Since both are only a matter of opinion. (Nods towards perception)

As far as speaking of luck with my path, There is no luck for me to believe. I myself choose where I go, and what I do with my life. ;\)
Regards,
LC
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#2930 - 12/26/07 02:07 PM Re: The Satan / God Whisperer… [Re: LadyChaos]
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Does giving belief to Santa or the tooth-fairy make them possible?


To answer something I missed or was added later Ta2zz, as the majority of people in this world believe that those characters do not exist. However, in some people's perception and in many children's minds they do. Whether or not you and I believe them to be real, it matters not. Perception is key.
As ridiculous of a idea it may be, to you and I. That's simply the way it is. It would also explain why we have people in the mental ward who believe Satan lives in their Bic lighters.
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#2933 - 12/26/07 02:49 PM Re: The Satan / God Whisperer… [Re: LadyChaos]
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You have a good point here. I think what you are alluding to is Collective Consciousness. It matters not whether the "Fairy" or "God" really exists in the real world, but the fact that these ideas exist in many the minds of Man is what gives these ideas life and possibility to influence people the world over.
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#2939 - 12/26/07 08:55 PM Re: The Satan / God Whisperer… [Re: LadyChaos]
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It was your statement “but, in contrast to what some here may think, I do believe words have great power” that first entered this thought into the discussion… Should anything need to be proven I do believe then it is you who carries the burden of proof on your shoulders…

Who here disbelieves that words are not powerful?

I read most everything and I will not claim a photographic memory but, I do think it is safe to say that no one has ever said anywhere on this forum that words are not powerful… Ever… We understand that words carry power this is why we post and read…

On differing realities and perception, humor me here… How different are we? We may have different goals and different plumbing, and I am in no way saying that our perspectives are not different… But how different, we are after all the same species… While the perimeters of the senses vary from person to person and may even blend together a bit for some, we are not vastly different…

In a thread on the old forum someone had asked if an alien species came all the way to earth why would they just flash lights at us? To which I answered who is to say their sound is not our light, maybe they are screaming at us wondering why we are deaf… Perhaps our sound is nothing but a bad taste to them?

Now that would be a serious difference of perspective… Does my thinking of a possible explanation for an alien race make them exist any more or less? Does it make them any more possible? The answer is no…

Hubble's Deepest View of the Universe "the Hubble Deep Field image covers a speck of the sky only about the width of a dime 75 feet away."

The sheer number of suns and planets out there, the vast number of galaxies… Along with the laws of chance and luck is what makes the existence of other life possible…

Just as a child who believes that Santa is real, as real as he is to that child does not make him exist… While this child believes Santa is real other children also believe this and it furthers the power of Santa in children…

Will there ever exist a technology that would allow one to become as Santa? Who can answer that? But I put my money on no… Santa's magic will never exist… Ever…

Back to your example of voodoo I did say that it just might show that belief, not words may be a powerful thing to those who believe… Of course those people you speak of that are documented of dying from a curse, might just have died… So this proves nothing other than you may be just fitting the puzzle to the pieces again…

Can you prove that these people just did not die from it being their time? What about those who believe that are not affected by such curses? That puts them in the same category as the amputees who's prayers god ignores…

 Originally Posted By: LadyChaos
It would also explain why we have people in the mental ward who believe Satan lives in their Bic lighters.

Ah back to our original topic… Do people who believe in Satan living in their lighters or believe they have contact with divine beings belong in a mental ward? Is this a delusion or simply a different perspective? I am ok with calling them perspective illnesses rather than mental illnesses… ;\)

Have these people’s perspectives skewered so far from normal that they are dangerous to others or themselves? Should we start calling them dangerous perspective wards?

Or is it really the power of people believing in this which we call normal that makes it so… Remember the mental used to be used as seers…

Imagine a world where everyone believes some select few have contact with the divine… Oh wait look, it already happened…

Never forget that anything you know is from a human perspective…

till next time

~T~
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#2940 - 12/26/07 09:27 PM Re: The Satan / God Whisperer… [Re: Euronymous]
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 Originally Posted By: Euronymous
You have a good point here. I think what you are alluding to is Collective Consciousness. It matters not whether the "Fairy" or "God" really exists in the real world, but the fact that these ideas exist in many the minds of Man is what gives these ideas life and possibility to influence people the world over.

Yes. Thank you. You know what I am speaking of.
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#2944 - 12/27/07 01:37 AM Re: The Satan / God Whisperer… [Re: ta2zz]
LadyChaos Offline
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz


Never forget that anything you know is from a human perspective…


I believe that what you have posted is merely your own perspective. Is it not? Henceforth, what you say can arguably be only your reality. Yes, I am stretching it that far. ;\)

I do enjoy debating with you however Ta2zz, I'm sure you will bring more thought provoking ideas to the table in the future.
LC
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