#37607 - 04/14/10 09:13 PM
Re: Are you LIVING or are you EXISTING?
[Re: Morgan]
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SOLERIFT
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Depends on what you consider wasting potential. Lets say you have the ability to play guitar, paint oil masterpieces, and scuba dive - if you chose to perfect one of these skills and turn it into a profitable career, you don't really have to give up the other two, but for a time, those other two have to take the back burner, otherwise you might not be pushing the mastery and putting in the hours required to really profit and be successful in that chosen career.
You could say I am wasting potential, but really, I am choosing the potential I wish to fulfill at that time. There will be time later to perfect the others, if I still desire it when the time is available.
Merely Existing : I used to sit around and smoke weed - all the way through high school and halfway through college. I loved it. LOVED IT.
In hindsight, back then, I merely existed, it sapped my desire to interact and network, I was happy reading, reflecting, and playing video games. I could wallow in regret over it, or I could realize that it was the most contemplative and reflective time in my life and that I would not be where I am now if I had not fogged up my brain a bit and thus enabled a patchwork of existential nebulous reflections to spring up within me.
Sure - it would be a hinderance to my current goals now if I were to smoke herb everyday, and perhaps I would be a lot further in my chosen career if I had quit years earlier instead of "wasting time". But would I have the same outlook and the same insights without the years of intense contemplation that cannabis helped to foster? I don't think so.
Only you can be the judge of whether or not you are merely existing..... If you have a desire and it is not being fulfilled, find out why, remove the obstacles. If you find that any obstacle is not worth removing, then analyze why, and realize you don't want the goal bad enough to tackle all obstacles.....
If one is merely "existing", and that's all they want to do, I say - why not?
To quote one of my favorite bands "When we fail our expectations, we fall into the deepest void, is there a limit to how many times will we dust ourself off?" (In Flames)
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#37666 - 04/16/10 01:57 PM
Re: Are you LIVING or are you EXISTING?
[Re: Morgan]
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MelanosDivinity
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Registered: 02/08/10
Posts: 29
Loc: Port Gibson, Mississippi
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Lol. Why are you using such obscene language? No need for that. Calm down lol.
And I never said that I cared, I just feel that it is sad for those who AREN'T doing as I am and as you have stated I should be more focused on which is inspiring others through my individual talents and accomplishments. This is something that I strive to do and those who have told me that I have been a source of inspiration are a testament to this fact. I do try and inspire others, and I have seen those who have been inspired by what I do and who I am and how some of their lives have changed.
Now don't go on and say that this isn't true because you do not know me or my life or anything that has really happened in my life. So let's keep this a realistic conversation.
And read the Satanic Bible again, yeah look, I come on here, I take from it what I wish, nothing more, I go live my life, I'll read it when i get damn ready to read it, I could care less if you believe this post or my response to be indicative of one who hasn't fully comprehended the extensive knowledge within the bible because it is my choice alone what i take away from it.
And its not like the sadness is allowing me to not be able to function in my daily life lol. Its just ashame, thats all
lol....
Good day to you.
Edited by MelanosDivinity (04/16/10 02:00 PM)
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#37667 - 04/16/10 02:33 PM
Re: Are you LIVING or are you EXISTING?
[Re: MelanosDivinity]
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Demon Heretic666
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Registered: 01/21/10
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Loc: Missouri
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For me, I would say both.
There are times where I feel empty, just going day to day, giving up chances that come my way.
Other days, I feel alive. I feel like doing and I do. I reach out and take ahold of life, grab it and beat it senseless. I like these days because I dont feel so cold.
Living and existing are really a matter of personal opinion. It is also a choice. We choose to live or merely exist. We were talking about something similar in class this week. We were talking about the fact babies die if you do not love them. You can feed them, change them, wash them, etc, but if you dont hold them and love them, they die. I thought it was crap at first. I didnt see how love could keep a baby alive, especially if its fed and looked after. It exists, and it lives. How could it die do to something like that? It's an interesting thought...
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#37692 - 04/16/10 07:10 PM
Re: Are you LIVING or are you EXISTING?
[Re: MelanosDivinity]
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spiral
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Registered: 01/31/10
Posts: 17
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Don't you think existing is so easy. I live in the best terms I can, so as not to suppress my "potential".
You know, we're building our "potential" through our life. It's fed from our existance, and it feeds our lives- and vice versa. I can't see the necessity for a distinction there, really.
I am living and I am existing , too.
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#37697 - 04/16/10 09:59 PM
Re: Are you LIVING or are you EXISTING?
[Re: Morgan]
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MelanosDivinity
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Registered: 02/08/10
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Loc: Port Gibson, Mississippi
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lol..its not something that completely influences my life to the point where I must wallow in the despair procured from seeing others waste their potential. Ive seen it in school, among friends, its just a question, and you considering me a joke well ummm i could care less what you think of me? lol. your a joke.
this question was derived from personal experiences, what I have witnessed up to this point in my life, it came to mind. It is MY OPINION, if you have a problem with MY OPINION, then go cry in a corner like the immature toddler you obviously are.
lol You got so fired up with this geez lol.
Actually kinda funny. Im in a circus watching
the monkey guess, im the ring leader
guess which one you are ma'am?
lol...now please if you think im a "joke" oooo lol
then refrain from responding to my posts.
lol....
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#37704 - 04/17/10 12:35 AM
Re: Are you LIVING or are you EXISTING?
[Re: MelanosDivinity]
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ta2zz
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Registered: 08/28/07
Posts: 1413
Loc: Connecticut
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Hello again,
Ive seen it in school, among friends, its just a question, and you considering me a joke well ummm i could care less what you think of me?
I think you are lying I think you really do care how others perceive you. I can also see that you do care a bit about others, this is why you write self-help books for teens and such. None of this is wrong as it’s who you are but nothing Morgan said was wrong either. She was giving you a free lesson as most try to do in 101 yet you chose to ignore it due to some obscene language. You look all soft and squishy expect to be poked to see if any jelly comes out.
Remember where you are, do not be confused thinking the minds here and posting requirements are comparable to those found on myspace or any yahoo group. Also remember nobody here owes you anything much less their opinion.
It is foolish of you to think any longstanding member of this forum posts out of anger or using much emotion.
It is MY OPINION, if you have a problem with MY OPINION, then go cry in a corner like the immature toddler you obviously are.
Morgan is hardly immature, if you cannot see the truth in what she says perhaps you should ask yourself why? Granted her perspective and yours differ but her words ring as true. You did start projecting your feelings on her over her using the word fuck, thinking she was fired up over this.
Actually kinda funny. Im in a circus watching
the monkey guess, im the ring leader
guess which one you are ma'am?
No guessing needed here one can clearly see you are the one doing all the acting here, what does that make you? You say to go cry in a corner and be more mature but you ignore your own advice and cry out in public as such.
These pitiful attempts at insulting Morgan only makes you look immature as well as lost.
Those of us on the East coast have a more colorful language. You know what the fuck I’m saying? Toughen (the fuck) up, grow a (fucking) spine and get (the fuck) over it…
~T~
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#37706 - 04/17/10 01:26 AM
Re: Are you LIVING or are you EXISTING?
[Re: Morgan]
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Disabuse
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Registered: 09/19/07
Posts: 219
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Wow, another one upset by the word fuck.....
"it just saddens me that someone would just waste...."
Your words above. If it affects you to the point whereby other people make you sad, that's shows you care.
"Its just ashame, thats all"
So it's a shame people waste their life/time in your opinion by doing whatever it s they choose to do.
Why do you care, and let it affect you enough to post about such bullshit?
Whatever, read it or don't, I consider you a joke at this point.
Morgan
Jesus Morgan, did some piss in your cheerios? The reverse could be said for you, why the fuck do you care if he asks a question or not?
This is a forum to express opinions and discussion. Least that's what a forum was last I checked. Only thing I've seen for you lately is attacking people for expressing their side of a topic without discerning yours.
If you don't have anything to add, then don't add it. Wasting peoples time reading your troll slashing. I think I just added you to my "skip over this users posts" for now. Peace.
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#37737 - 04/17/10 02:38 PM
Re: Are you LIVING or are you EXISTING?
[Re: Asmedious]
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MelanosDivinity
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Registered: 02/08/10
Posts: 29
Loc: Port Gibson, Mississippi
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This topic was based off MY OPINION. Now, I respect morgan's opinion on this issue, which is why I did not verbally assault her point of view as she did mine. I am NOT a satanist, I come on here to take from the bible that of which I believe to be useful, and I discard the rest. You guys might think that "Oh who cares their wasting their life away fuck em* well I DO CARE, but not the point where I am wallowing in despair. You guys took "Its ashame and it saddens me" too literally. I cannot blame you for this but let it be known that I meant that when I see someone wasting their potential, those of which I know have so much potential to be something more, friends, family, etc,
I just feel its ashame and sad, nothing more.
Now whether you believe this to not be sad or not I don't give a crap. I believe what I want, I have my own opinions, Ill stick to those opinions and beliefs. Morgan, whoever scraped the icing off her cupcake, I dont know but this did not call for the kind of response that she gave, it could have been said in a more polite tone, but oh well I guess thats just her, whatever. enough said.
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#37750 - 04/17/10 04:44 PM
Re: Are you LIVING or are you EXISTING?
[Re: Dan_Dread]
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MelanosDivinity
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Registered: 02/08/10
Posts: 29
Loc: Port Gibson, Mississippi
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No, I never said that I didn't want a satanist perspective, I just said thats not the REASON I am here. I post on the forum, if a satanist responds from a satanist perspective that is perfectly fine, I DON"T CARE. I read from the bible, I take away what I wish to take away from, I don't have to read the sections that you SATANISTS say that must be read. I come here, to read from the philosophy, I take what I want from it, thats it. I am not trolling, I do not want attention, I'm just here. You guys are the ones who keep blowing this out of proportion. I don't even know how it came to this point. lol. seriously.
I am here. Get used to that. I read the bible. I take what I want from it. I don't care what you think of me. You can rot in a sack for all I care. I am who i am my own person.
some of the other 'satanist's on here responded to this forum in a mature manner without hostility and notice that I appreciated their perspective which was, well I presume to be, of satanic nature. If i was really trolling the mods would have something to say about that now wouldn't they? But I am not.
good day.
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#37758 - 04/17/10 07:34 PM
Re: Are you LIVING or are you EXISTING?
[Re: Dan_Dread]
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Disabuse
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Registered: 09/19/07
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Who are you to say what is wasted time and what is not in regards to someone else? Is your finger wagging really necessary? And yes, I have been reading this site for a lot longer than my time as a member here. Back then though, this place was a ghost town most of the time, and there were far more active and useful Satanism message boards where I was quite active. Don't pretend like you've 'seen it all'. Nobody has, Satanic philosophy continues to be built upon to this very day, and Morgan is one of the people doing it, while you are not. I apologize to the mods for my contribution to this thread derailment, but I felt that needed to be said.
Since I am real life friends with Morgan and know she is better then what she is doing, then yes, I will tell her.
Pretend like I've seen it all? No, but just about everything that is posted here today has been gone over years before you decided to grace us with you presence. You see Rick posting thoughts here on the forum? No, because its all recycled crap.
Even while talking to Rick about this, we both find it amusing that you point out I'm not a mod or admin anymore. They come and go, have done so since before you showed up. The one thing we found amusing is your own short coming in being the fastest ever to be demoted from a blue. That is certainly a special club to be in, as it never really happens. Not only are you the fastest ever demoted familiar, but with the highest majority decision to do so.
And you want to call me out? lol I am quite done amusing you with responses. Flame away all you want kiddo, you're still the kid on the bus everyone laughs at, not with.
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#37802 - 04/18/10 03:57 PM
Re: Are you LIVING or are you EXISTING?
[Re: MelanosDivinity]
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Tigeress
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Registered: 04/04/10
Posts: 13
Loc: under your bed
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I am sure that I will see the philosophy of satanism in a new light.
Was it in the dark for you before?
Sorry,  couldn't help but poke there.
come back every now and then to just peek into the book to utilize certain things here and there and inspire others through my own 'enlightenment.' Its been quite a journey.
I wonder, why do you feel compelled to inspire? This is focusing outwards instead of inwards. These paths like Satanism all focus inward ultimately from what I can see. It is the other hand which focuses outward or on others for spiritual growth and gratification. I have found that outward inspiration for others manifests in its own way if others want or need it, completely on its own, when you focus on inspiring and perfecting your self in your chosen path first, without worry for the others way they choose.
..... This is a question I have been pondering for a very long time now and I have the answer with regards towards whether I feel I am living or just existing but I would like to know where you all stand on the issue.
My personal opinion is that you were always living, as I and everyone else have always been living. Every experience is valuable in some way, even if it wastes your time or almost kills you. If an individual doesn't want to learn from them, how do you think they will ever learn from you?
For me, wasted potential versus striving for one's true potential comes to mind.
Do you know what ones true potential is? Does anyone know? And how can you say whether or not yourself or others are traveling in the right direction?
In addition to other reasons why you shouldn't care, I think this is too vague for you to care.
Finally, you cannot help those who do not have a desire to help themselves. Creating a desire in someone else is not worth your time unless they are close to you I think, and even then, it requires a lot, sometimes including the ability to know when to let it go. It has to grow from inside the person, and cannot be outwardly forced.
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#37909 - 04/20/10 05:14 AM
Re: Are you LIVING or are you EXISTING?
[Re: ta2zz]
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Miss May
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Registered: 09/27/09
Posts: 62
Loc: sebastopol, CA
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Since this thread has invited others to share their opinions on living vs. existing, I believe I am living as long as I am alive and capable of thought.
If I was to get into a car accident and become a mindless vegetable, I would consider myself merely existing. The only contribution to the world I would be making at that point was to disperse my body heat on the sheets of a hospital bed.
I consider myself alive as long as I am a living being on this earth. The quality of my life is not only something that is my own to judge but also my own to change and no one else's. This is a key point i took from the Satanic Bible.
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#39946 - 07/04/10 04:58 PM
Re: Are you LIVING or are you EXISTING?
[Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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Azerate
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Registered: 08/08/09
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You're being facetious. Would you mind terribly posting a serious response? There is a difference between biological life and 'life' as understood by 'meaningful, vital existence filled with sense and happiness'.
Care to expand?
First of all i have to tell you i am NOT a "traditional" La Veyan Satanist. I represent the Gods of Chaos and i have more than basic knowledge of what it's all about. Basically, i couldn't care less about any thing within the creation of the False God. That includes La veyan Santanism.
However, being stuck here on this ball of dirt with all of its limitations and what not i recognize i have to abide by those "laws of limitation in order to survive and do whatever the hell it is i'm doing.
Do i enjoy it? Yes. Am i experiencing all the things that are happening to me? Yes.
Am i "enslaved"? No, i'm not. I experience emotions, i recognize priorities, i descern, i'm aware of things.............YES I EXIST.
Azerate.
Edited by Azerate (07/04/10 05:01 PM)
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#39949 - 07/04/10 05:31 PM
Re: Are you LIVING or are you EXISTING?
[Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Azerate
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Registered: 08/08/09
Posts: 6
Loc: Netherlands
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False Gods? There is nothing false about my godhood. I am more qualified to be God than anything else I can think of.
If you all you are doing is existing then that sucks. We only live one so I feel it is best to get out and truly LIVE. Do whatever you want whenever you want - that is how I live.
Care to elaborate more on these "Gods of chaos" and how they aren't "false Gods"?
I'll get back on this a bit and it won't take me weeks to reply this time.....i mean waiting for weeks is a lame excuse for "time-zones" right?
Don't burn me yet. Lemme speak my last words first.
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#39975 - 07/04/10 11:27 PM
Re: Are you LIVING or are you EXISTING?
[Re: ta2zz]
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Dakota
Banned
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Registered: 12/23/09
Posts: 60
Loc: Michigan
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Both, I am living to save money for now, but I am not living the life I want because I need to get this last year here done.
I choose this path, so I am not complaining. It's a path I choose because I can't do much, besides work right now and save. I won't regret it, since it'll make me the person I am in 2015.
I have everything outlined in my bible.
It's my choice, so does it matter?
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#39981 - 07/05/10 02:20 AM
Re: Are you LIVING or are you EXISTING?
[Re: Azerate]
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Dimitri
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No no no no, please don't get me wrong! With "False Gods" i mean all within the creation of Cosmos. Uhhhmmmm, look.......it's bordering midnight over here and tomorrow is gonna be another working day. Bottom line, it's getting late.
If you had the time to write this, then I suspect you could also have had the time to explain your position at that moment. With the assumption you know what you are talking about and have an understanding of all concepts and claims you make.
In other words: a lame excuse and you are currently showing a great deal of stupidity.
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