#37622 - 04/15/10 02:32 AM
Destruction Ritual- Victims knowledge
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Atralux Lucis
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A question arose from again reading the segment in the Book of Belial about the tribesman who runs to the shaman, etc. i reckon we all know. But the scoffer pushes the acceptance of the curse into his subconscious where it festers which causes them to be more self destructive. Now this is a realistic result from a destruction ritual setting asides more mystical ideas.
So in this, wouldnt the victim need to be aware of the curse for it to be possibly destructive (on a realistic psychological) level? But then they might try to find countermeasures to put them at rest, so its kind of a chance thing (though most would scoff) But then not saying means one must rely on emotional energy to manifest reality to your will, which though i believe, i believe the psychological effect of KNOWING and then rejecting the curse to be more effective, especially in conjunction with emotional energy. Also, it isnt general conversation to say 'btw i conducted a ritual against you last night'
I hope i have worded this correctly, but basically im asking, for a particular ritual to be effective, would the victim need be aware of it, to have a subconscious effect?
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#37946 - 04/20/10 07:10 PM
Re: Destruction Ritual- Victims knowledge
[Re: Atralux Lucis]
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MatthewJ1
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Here is a story for you.
When I was a young fellow many years ago my friends and I used to go under the house with a Ouija board for some spooky fun.
We used to huddle around this board, in the gloom, with flickering candles and try to contact the spirits of the dead, including long gone family members and famous people.
I took it really seriously and believed that we were actually communicating with the dead, but then one day I realised that the kid from across the road was deliberately pushing the glass for his own amusement, no doubt enjoying the reactions he was getting from us rubes.
Years later I was on the internet and was reminiscing on my days of spooky fun with Ouija boards and I came across a Ouija board site and there was a message from a young teenage girl hysterically demanding that someone help her because her friend had been dabbling with a board and was now possessed by an evil spirit.
I replied to the hysterical girl and treated the whole thing very seriously. I said that she and her friend had to use the Ouija board once again and ask/demand/plead that this nasty spirit leave the possessed friend. They in fact needed to conduct some sort of exorcism. Anyway they did this and lo and behold the possessed girl managed to rid herself of the evil spirit which possessed her and her friend thanked me with great enthusiasm!
What’s the lesson to be derived from all this nonsense? Spooky fun is fun, but you have to be careful?
Here’s the answer in my view. It works on the recipient/s because the recipient/s believe in it. But more than this: the recipient/s believe in the system or world view which underpins it and within which it functions.
Does it matter if the recipient/s of a curse believe in it or not? The recipient/s, I think, must believe in the possibility that a curse at least may work and also believe in the system within which it functions at some level, either consciously or sub-consciously.
The recipient/s who scoff may scoff, but if the scoffer believes in the effectiveness of the curse sub-consciously and also the system within which it supposedly draws it power and reality than it works in some fashion. It has a compounding effect.
I also refer you to Jake’s comments in the Satanic Destruction Ritual thread, who I think nails this phenomenon down.
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#38088 - 04/25/10 04:38 AM
Re: Destruction Ritual- Victims knowledge
[Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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Atralux Lucis
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Thank you, this all gives me some better ideas,
I think i still like the idea of greater magic enchance by the subtler lesser magic, to have the victim know they are cursed, and thus screw themselves over. but i suppose try either, and see the results would be the most practical way of testing both theories.
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#38153 - 04/28/10 02:48 AM
Re: Destruction Ritual- Victims knowledge
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Caliga
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Personally, I don't believe the victim needs to know for the ritual to have an effect but I do believe that the victim knowing can enhance the effect by working on their accessible subconscious. That is, if the victim is unknowing, then I do believe (and in my experience it has been so) that the magic can still work its effect. However, by the victim knowing that a curse has been placed, then the additional push of that working into their subconscious can be very advantageous to the caster.
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