#39285 - 06/12/10 05:08 PM
Re: Views on Magic
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Lucifer Rising
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I have a few questions and some things to add.
I've been hearing a bit about "black" magic here. I may need some explanation as to what is meant when this is added. So far, it appears to me that "black" is the title used when a Satanist acts like a Wiccan and thinks performing something of a greater magic ritual will produce the effects of lesser magic. It also seems to claim the same supernatural forces, only claiming they are natural. Am I mistaken?
If this is so, then I think I must be firmly against black magic. I do not feel the need to invoke an unknown, so far unprovable force, be it natural or supernatural. I don't think that I will go as far as to discourage it's use entirely. I do not think such a force exists, but I may be wrong and could possibly be proven wrong. If you think you have sufficient reason to believe it is there, then by all means use it. However, I think you should understand that you cannot prove its existence, and your own subjectivity may not correspond to reality. Thus, I suggest not to rely on any such forces too heavily and delve into the other, more tangible ways to accomplish your goal.
I have been thinking much on ritual magic, and what can be considered a ritual. I would like to hear what others think about it. I consulted the dictionary and thus far I have had to put many definitions together to make a useful definition. A ritual is a system of action stressing careful attention to form and detail. By this definition, it seems that much of what humans do can be seen as ritual. When I am doing what I would consider lesser magic, what makes it different from the ritual of brushing my teeth, or is brushing my teeth a sort of magic?
I thought of this a while and it seemed I had to once again tweak my view of magic. I think now that magic may begin with a goal. Then it goes to thought, understanding if the goal is worth while and if deciding that it is, planning the ways to achieve the goal. Then comes the ritual, where you implement your plans paying close attention to form and detail. So perhaps I would have to consider brushing my teeth magic, since there is the goal, the plan, and the ritual. However, a sneeze would not be magic for there is no goal or planning. Relieving yourself of waste, as in Jake's example, would not be magic either. The only magic there might be to that situation is doing it in a toilet. You had a goal, you had a plan, and you had a ritual for making sure your waste went into a toilet. However, the waste would eventually come out even if you didn't do that. There is no magic to unconscious bodily functions that I can see.
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#39398 - 06/18/10 10:17 PM
Re: Views on Magic
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paolo sette
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The essence of Black Magic appears to elude you, Lucipher, or perhaps the words used to define the meaning is noetic or perplexing. A hallmark trade ideation is that Satanists are themselves sole monisms. There is nothing exterior. (sometimes I think that I am an agnostic! Then, I'm reminded of where I get my metaphysics from. Ah, I'm a Satanist...I'm a Satanist. LOL!!) One point that is a constant throughout the Dark Arts realm is that the actions have to do with an individualized nature: What you want to accomplish through engaging in the action. Personally, I find Magic's utility in seeing into the nature of my being as it points the way out from fetters to mental freedom. By exercising the Mind with my will and senses around Magic, I spontaneously move from a state of quiescence and quietude to a plain in which things are in flux. Everything in constant motion, that's a preferred reality. More or less, one can say that I have an interplay between my conscious and unconscious. Anyway, Magic is the Agent or catalyst that ignites my sense of self.
The truth of Black Magic is such that if we want to comprehend it, we have to lend ourselves to experience. Whether we want to amplify our passions or bring about the demise of another, the action is individualized. A lot can be said as to the approach, but that's the bottom line. A participant can be only concerned with the relative and limited side of Magic, but I'm in the game for experiential mysticism. When this aspect of Magic is fully engaged, trivialities just lose their hold falling off as the Workings manifesting itself. Am I an addict to Magic? This has come accross my Mind. No, I sternly say...I'm living by Black Magic!
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#41523 - 08/06/10 02:32 PM
Re: Views on Magic
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Mikey58
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I recently went to a talk on Buddhism and meditation, and one of the statements made was that the brain is not the mind. This ties in with certain scientific thought on quantum physics and metaphysics. This is a fascinating subject and i believe it bears strongly on magicical practice. Reading books about science made me believe in magic whereas prior to this it was all so much superstition and hokum.
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#41560 - 08/07/10 12:24 PM
Re: Views on Magic
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Lucifer Rising
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There is nothing exterior. (sometimes I think that I am an agnostic! Then, I'm reminded of where I get my metaphysics from. Ah, I'm a Satanist...I'm a Satanist. LOL!!) Well that is not my metaphysics. I don't know where you could even get metaphysics from Satanism, aside possibly from reality being natural, especially since it is metaphysics that seem to be the main differences between the different Satanic groups.
My understanding of reality and the metaphysical claims I accept came from my studies into science and philosophy. My philosophical and moral views and personal use of symbolism match up most closely with Satanism, which is why I consider myself a Satanist. I've never looked to Satanism for answers or reassurance of belief.
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#41589 - 08/07/10 11:12 PM
Re: Views on Magic
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paolo sette
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My understanding of reality and the metaphysical claims I accept came from my studies into science and philosophy. My philosophical and moral views and personal use of symbolism match up most closely with Satanism, which is why I consider myself a Satanist. I've never looked to Satanism for answers or reassurance of belief. As much as Satanic philosophy is concerned, I have a statement to make: to each person, they can take whatever they can use. When I take a look at something of interest, I like to concretely visualize all that is possible with its utility in my life. Commercial products are no exception. Accountrements of neccessity are typically all that I buy, and I use everthing until it is completely consumed. (It's how I gauge life in general.) Especially with a for-profit religion such as Satanism! It's applicability to how I live life occupies the primary reason why I gravitated towards it in the first place. I enjoy collating Satanism with life; therefore, making a bolder impression on my outlook of it. What a right-handed, evangelical person would consider to be sinful, thus, expiated over with investment of time and energy is by Satanic standards...no deviation at all. The thought of fidelity just flashed accross my mind. As far as Satanism is concerned, you have to look at how the issue of having another person fuck your partner pertains to the conjugal relationship. I prize honesty and truthfulness as two of the most important human attributes there are. If one partner was honest and spoke the truth, relating to the other that they were going out to find a plaything; then, they went out and found another to fuck hitherto: How is the stay-at-home, sole partner to the other- seeking-another fuck handling the situation? Honesty and truthfulness in the situation would benefit both people whereas lying and cheating would severly hamper and diminish the relationship. What would make for interesting reading though is to have further sentences detailing what philosophical viewpoints you find illuminating, what kind of moral stances you take in relation to Satanism, etc. etc. (Just a suggestion) I recently went to a talk on Buddhism and meditation, and one of the statements made was that the brain is not the mind. This ties in with certain scientific thought on quantum physics and metaphysics. This is a fascinating subject and i believe it bears strongly on magicical practice. Reading books about science made me believe in magic whereas prior to this it was all so much superstition and hokum.
I would encourage you to look into Eastern religions in as much as particular books over articles. As both form a bond with each other. One compliments the other. The vacuous nature of Black Magic with Buddhism stems from the essence which means both religions offer a different viewpoint on life and things generally. If we want to get into the inmost life of both, we must forgo all our ordinary habits of thinking which control our everyday life (we must try to see if there is any other way of judging things...for example, as stated above: the person going out to find another while in a relationship.) If we feel dissatisfied somehow with life as its moving forward in our lives, if there is something in our ordinary way of living that deprives us of freedom in its most sanctified sense, we have to endeavor to find a way somewhere which gives us a sense of finality and contentment. (Black Magic=Bring About Change) Both types of religions offer to do this for us whereas the right-hand path religions put all the emphasis on an other-power; thus, passivism is the resulting outcome which I abhor.
I feel better, now. Many thanks...666
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#41591 - 08/08/10 12:18 AM
Re: Views on Magic
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As much as Satanic philosophy is concerned, I have a statement to make: to each person, they can take whatever they can use.  I agree, though I would like to expand this as it is true of just about anything. Humans take whatever they can use in most situations.
When I take a look at something of interest, I like to concretely visualize all that is possible with its utility in my life.
Just thought I would add that visualization is a great tool and I would agree that you are right to use this. Also remember to use this when you've tried something and it works well. You can use visualization to repeat the process over and over in you head, and it wires the brain the same way it would if you actually were to do the task repetitiously, making the procedure habit.
It's applicability to how I live life occupies the primary reason why I gravitated towards it in the first place. I enjoy collating Satanism with life; therefore, making a bolder impression on my outlook of it.
I can agree with this sentiment, but your earlier comments seemed a bit dogmatic. Reminding yourself that "I am a Satanist." to keep a certain philosophical or metaphysical claim from entering your thoughts seems close-minded. It is like a Christian that disallows himself to entertain certain ideas because "I am a Christian." Feel free to entertain whatever thoughts that come to you, analyze them, do some actual thinking. Nobody is holding you back but yourself.
What would make for interesting reading though is to have further sentences detailing what philosophical viewpoints you find illuminating, what kind of moral stances you take in relation to Satanism, etc. etc. (Just a suggestion) What drawn me to Satanism can be pretty much broken down into two parts. It's focus on the material, which has metaphysical importance to me. As well as the focus on the self: self preservation, self responsibility, self indulgence, etc. I've thought for a long time that it was best, if you were to enjoy your existence, to lead, control, be selfish, and put yourself first. These things I had thought and believed, and before I started talking with other Satanists I even felt a little guilty for it. Our culture is ravished with the idea of the superiority of a morality of the weak, and when I read LaVey and talked to other Satanists it was really nice to hear from others that it is okay to think in these ways.
Also, my use of symbolism and fondness of magic is something that, as an Atheist, has been mocked by both sides. People either think I shouldn't bother with magic and symbolism as an Atheist, or don't think I should be an Atheist if I'm to "understand" symbolism and magic properly. I've not really had too much problem with this in Satanic circles, however.
I am, as you are, very practical in my magic, attempting to find what works best. I've been working to implement a lot of different fields of study into my magical toolkit and working out what is most practical and useful for me, and possibly others. I'd talk more about other things said, but I'm tired.
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#41600 - 08/08/10 03:25 AM
Re: Views on Magic
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Michael A.Aquino
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A very interesting and multi-faceted thread. Certainly the terms "magic" (M), "Black Magic" (BM), and "White Magic" (WM) are used in a variety of ways by a variety of groups.
Here is how the Temple of Set uses them [which is not to say that you need to]. But before we get to those terms, we have to identify two environments:
The Objective Universe (OU): This is the physical totality of matter & energy, including your own physical body, extending in four dimensions.
The Subjective Universe (SU): This is the creation of the individual's consciousness. It may be a perception or interpretation of the OU, or it may be something entirely different. An individual may also generate more than one SU, simultaneously or consecutively. An SU may have an intended purpose [e.g. for the accomplishment or comprehension of something], or it may be merely reverie, dreaming, allowing one's consciousness to "run wild".
As beings with OU bodily extensions, we can choose, as most noninitiates do, to interact with the OU on a purely-mechanical, stimulus/response basis. This is the realm, the ideology of materialism. It also implies, whether or not such people think about it, Atheism [of both an external god/gods or a self-god]. There is no M here.
M enters the picture the moment a god/gods/selfgod appears. M is the language by which G/Gs/SG communicate with the OU & SU: sense/understand them, embrace/reject them, control them. Hence M is not a phenomenon exclusively of either the OU or the SU; it is a transition, a medium between them.
Now we get to the two basic divisions of M, "White M" (WM) and "Black M" (BM). These have nothing whatever to do with "good" and "evil", except in a very advanced initiatory sense beyond this post.
If an individual consciousness (ka, psyche, soul) fears, denies, and or rejects its distinction and isolation from the OU, it seeks to rejoin it, to be absorbed into it, to become indistinguishable from it. It attempts this through the generation of a SU which is as identical to, or at least as harmonious with the OU as possible, then obliterating its distinction and difference from that OU. This, in its many varieties, is WM. Its theoretical culmination is known by such names as Grace, Samadhi, Nirvana, etc. However WM is nevertheless an illusion, an act of self-deception or self-anesthetizing. It is never actual absorption into the OU, but only a SU construction of same. The most that the isolate consciousness can do is to stupefy itself until its physical extensions cease [in "death"], whereupon it lacks all coherence, becomes a "mindless mind": existing but having no focus or concept of this existence.
BM is divided into two major types: "Lesser BM" (LBM) and "Greater BM" (GBM).
LBM is the influencing of beings, processes, or objects in the OU by the application of obscure physical or behavioral laws.
LBM is an impelling (encouraging, convincing, increasing of probability) measure, not a compelling (forcing, making inevitable) one. The object is to make something happen without expending the time and energy to make it happen through direct cause-and-effect.
Note that the isolate self here has no interest in self-absorption/annihilation. It sees the OU as something separate and wishes to act upon it. It could of course do this by conspicuously-OU means. But LBM explores and experiments other than the ordinary. It does this both for the pure entertainment of it and for additional effects upon other beings' SUs permeating and overlapping the same arena. Indeed the prime goal of a LBM working may be such other-SU impact, and only incidentally upon the OU.
GBM is the causing of change to occur in one's SU in accordance with the will. This change in the SU may cause a similar and proportionate change in the OU.
Examine this definition. A deliberate effort is made to alter one’s subjective frame of reference, so that a thing which used to be conceptualized one way is now conceptualized in another. A distasteful situation may be adjusted to produce a favorable outcome; a live enemy may be adjusted to be thwarted or nonexistent; a desire of any sort may be realized. This begins with full, willful control over the SU. But as GBM continues, the self's entire juxtaposition to, perception & interpretation of, and attitude towards the OU alters. The OU is absorbed gradually and finally completely into one's consciousness. It is thus the inverse of WM: Instead of the individual being absorbed into the OU, the OU is absorbed into the individual, who thereby becomes its final, true god (indeed God). This god transcends and redefines the four OU dimensions, thereby rendering OU "death" meaningless. Indeed he can reshape, destroy, recreate the OU as desired, or many of them. The SU/OU distinction disappears.
More recently we coined the term "Medial BM" (MBM) to describe works blending LBM & GBM. Examples of this are many, from Adolf Hitler's Germany to Walt Disney's Disneyland. LBM is concentrated, elaborated, and interwoven to such an extent that OU phenomena begin to be affected, ostensibly through physical change but consequently in the SUs of others who enter such environments.
Well, that's the "short version".
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#41639 - 08/08/10 02:43 PM
Re: Views on Magic
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Lucifer Rising
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Doc, I like you, but of course I must express where I disagree. For now I will accept the general definition you give for the Objective Universe.
The Objective Universe (OU): This is the physical totality of matter & energy, including your own physical body, extending in four dimensions. The definition you gave for SU I think can be made a bit more concise.
The Subjective Universe (SU): The experience of one's psyche, including: perceptions, emotions, thoughts, drives, imagination, etc.
Where I disagree is the idea that the SU is so separated from the OU. The psyche results from the brain, and the more I learn about brain structure and the utility of these different structures, the more confident I become in making that statement. I do not think that when I die what will be left is a "mindless mind." I expect there to be no mind at all, just as there would be no capacity for language if the language centers of one's brain were severely damaged.
As far as I'm concerned, the psyche is not only a result of the OU, but part of it. When you perform GM, you are messing around with your own psyche, but you are also messing with the way the neurons are wired in your brain, which is definitively part of the OU. With the performance of GM, you can change your own psyche and your own brain, but beyond that the only change that may occur from beyond the psyche is how others react to the change you've made within yourself.
This is what I think is actually holding magic back, magicians sit in poorly lit rooms with candles, or whatever they personally do, and try to influence events by thinking about it really, really hard. I'll admit, as I had before, that this can be very beneficial if used with an understanding that you are only manipulating yourself. You can use it to make yourself more confident, more optimistic, think about the ways you can accomplish something, and what you might have to do if it fails. However, you still have to actually do something. Your body language, tone of voice, and actions will match that of somebody who is confident, optimistic, and knows what's going on, because you actually are confident, optimistic, and you've made sure you know what's going on. That will help you out in just about anything you do, but you need a goal and you need to take real action.
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#41646 - 08/08/10 03:46 PM
Re: Views on Magic
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Michael A.Aquino
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Where I disagree is the idea that the SU is so separated from the OU. The psyche results from the brain, and the more I learn about brain structure and the utility of these different structures, the more confident I become in making that statement. I do not think that when I die what will be left is a "mindless mind." I expect there to be no mind at all, just as there would be no capacity for language if the language centers of ones brain were severely injured. You are welcome to that reasoning, and within contemporary society it is the prevailing one. I cheerfully disagree with it, because in my research & personal experience (cf. Category #19/The MetaMind of The Temple of Set Appendix #14/TS Reading List), the psyche is distinct from the mind, though it is a participant in/observer of it. The mind is a bit like those "intelligent" transmissions in advanced cars which can "learn" the habits and impulses of the driver; and the driver coincidentally becomes synchronistic with that device and the car as a whole. But the driver can exit the car without vanishing, and so can the thing that is You. Try it in any number of ways. Get the hell out of Indianapolis, go to Esalen, discover your self, enjoy the hot springs, and "forget your worldly cares at Nepenthe's gay pavilion, where the Phœnix bird repairs and is feeling like a million". You don't have to resign yourself to Dr. Jessup's soggy old sensory-deprivation tanks.
When you perform GM, you are messing around with your own psyche, but you are also messing with the way the neurons are wired in your brain, which is definitively part of the OU. With the performance of GM, you can change your own psyche and your own brain, but beyond that the only change that may occur from beyond the psyche is how others react to the change you've made within yourself. I agree, but in apprehending your psyche (since it is the "primal you", not an object you are acting upon) and reprogramming the "transmission" of your brain-neurons, explain to me how the OU does not change when you now view it through this altered "lens". The "raw material" (matter/energy/NL processes) may still be there, but it is all different for you, which is its entire significance. Indeed the OU is not a single thing, but innumerable perspectives on what noninitiates assume to be a uniform phenomenon. [And yes, you are now entering the Twilight Zone.]
This is what I think is actually holding magic back, magicians sit in poorly lit rooms with candles, or whatever they personally do, and try to influence events by thinking about it really, really hard. Only in Indianapolis. 
But seriously, that's not what ritual chambers are all about. They are devices for the concentration and focusing of thought, the exclusion of distraction, and the beholding/unfolding of self. [In LBM they can be used to do things to/for other persons present. This includes setting in motion, through yourself or them, consequent influences to change events or aspects of the OU.] Oh, and they're also spooky fun.
I'll admit, as I had before, that this can be very beneficial if used with an understanding that you are only manipulating yourself. You can use it to make yourself more confident, more optimistic, think about the ways you can accomplish something, and what you might have to do if it fails. However, you still have to actually do something. Your body language, tone of voice, and actions will match that of somebody who is confident, optimistic, and knows what's going on, because you actually are confident, optimistic, and you've made sure you know what's going on. That will help you out in just about anything you do, but you need a goal and you need to take real action.
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#41653 - 08/08/10 06:48 PM
Re: Views on Magic
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Thank you Dr.Aquino, for posting your valued insights on this forum.
If an individual consciousness (ka, psyche, soul) fears, denies, and or rejects its distinction and isolation from the OU, it seeks to rejoin it, to be absorbed into it, to become indistinguishable from it. It attempts this through the generation of a SU which is as identical to, or at least as harmonious with the OU as possible, then obliterating its distinction and difference from that OU. This, in its many varieties, is WM. Its theoretical culmination is known by such names as Grace, Samadhi, Nirvana, etc. However WM is nevertheless an illusion, an act of self-deception or self-anesthetizing. It is never actual absorption into the OU, but only a SU construction of same. The most that the isolate consciousness can do is to stupefy itself until its physical extensions cease [in "death"], whereupon it lacks all coherence, becomes a "mindless mind": existing but having no focus or concept of this existence.
I know some American Buddhists and Hindus, and WM would not accurately portray what their beliefs seem to be. Buddhists and Hindus believe everything is one. The ones I know speak of expanding their minds so they become everything. It seems to me that WM and BM reach the same conclusion where there is no SU/OU distinciton.WM is simply BM done by people who don't know what it is but in the end, all M is really BM. GM or GBM is the use of a ritual environment to help us take our focus off the OU and instead focus on the SU which is normally hidden by the external interference of the outside world. You write of multiple SU per person. We can extend this to mean that each person has a Primary SU that they mostly unconsciously created during their lives and in GM, we create new Secondary SU that effect our existing Primary SU. Our Primary SU is our interpretation of the OU and the Secondary SU are what we create in GM to change our Primary SU. So we're pretty much creating ourselves consciously from GBM to GBM.
So the OU is ultimately a converging point of agreement between many SU. What you're saying is that the OU would not exist if there were no multiple SU to apprehend it right? So even though the OU exists, it is dependent on the multiple SU perspectives that make it up. If that's the case and the Prince of Darkness is the original source of human consciousness, would that not imply that Satan or Set created the physical universe, similar to Jehovah creating the earth in the "good"book?
Hope this did not confuse everyone but this is interesting stuff. I'm glad there is a place where people can discuss these ideas.
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#41657 - 08/08/10 09:10 PM
Re: Views on Magic
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Lucifer Rising
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We can disagree on exactly what psyche is for the moment, Doc, as it seems to make little difference in the ways we look at magic. I also could have a rather long discussion about SU and OU, but this also seems to have little effect. I think we can both agree that GM is meant to make a change in the self, and that this is the purpose of the ritual chamber and the rituals (and it can be used for LM if you bring others into it). We also agree that one must have a goal, and that one must take action. Our points of disagreement I do think would make quite a good discussion, but I'll save that for another time.
This is what I think is actually holding magic back, magicians sit in poorly lit rooms with candles, or whatever they personally do, and try to influence events by thinking about it really, really hard. Only in Indianapolis.  I really do wish that was true, however, this is what I've seen the majority of occultists do and teach. I've even found Satanists that do this, though most of them have been Theistic Satanists but not necessarily. Considering how few Satanists I've been able to come across, this is the most common form of "magic" I see. A bunch of psychologically masturbatory rituals equivalent to dramatized Christian prayer. All the psychological effects of having done something without actually doing a damned thing. This is something I am quite strongly against. I think Satanists should know better; I'm just reminding them.
Returning to White and Black Magic for a moment, from what you've said about the topic I'm not even sure if I'm able to give proper sanction to the definitions provided given my stances on SU and OU. However, I think I can do some creative translation so I might be able to see the distinction clearer.
Here is my attempt (possibly just the first):
White Magic (WM): Magic that aims to benefit, or to integrate the self into, an entity or ideology other than the self.
Black Magic (BM): Magic that aims to benefit, or isolate, the self.
This would definitely put me on the Dark Side of the spectrum. I do some WM from time to time, but usually only if it helps me out so it might still be considered Black. Yet, this distinction seems almost identical to the distinction between Left Hand and Right Hand paths. Either this is something I simply don't understand, or cannot properly use because of the differences in metaphysical claims being made.
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