#41292 - 08/02/10 03:50 PM
Re: Nihilism vs Satanism? how similar are the two?
[Re: Dan_Dread]
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Nihilism=there is no meaning Satanism=meaning is subjective.
I would amend that to:
Nihilism = there is no inherent meaning
As the statement "there is no meaning" itself has meaning, just not derived from an absolute source.
I think this article summarizes nihilist morality well:
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/23/opinion/23brooks.html
In other words, instead of finding morality in God (Christianity) or social factors (liberalism), morality is found in adaptation to reality.
Nihilism is not reality-denying; it seems to me that it denies human perceptions of reality and points instead to a hardline scientific view of the world.
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#41360 - 08/03/10 07:27 AM
Re: Nihilism vs Satanism? how similar are the two?
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Diavolo
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What I think you are forgetting in this is that the hard-line scientific view is a product of human perception or an extension of it.
I too am of the opinion that essentially there is no inherent meaning, or at the very least, that if there is, it is beyond us. Something which is identical to it not being there. The ontological reality is beyond us, partly because our natural reality is a product of our biology. As such, even nihilism is a perspective which might be limited by a non-understanding of the very ontological reality itself.
The difference between Satanism and nihilism is that Satanism escapes the rather stagnating effects of nihilism by creating its own perspective and accepting that as the most functional one for the satanist involved. What works best for me, is best for me.
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#41362 - 08/03/10 09:05 AM
Re: Nihilism vs Satanism? how similar are the two?
[Re: Diavolo]
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What I think you are forgetting in this is that the hard-line scientific view is a product of human perception or an extension of it.
I too am of the opinion that essentially there is no inherent meaning, or at the very least, that if there is, it is beyond us. Something which is identical to it not being there. The ontological reality is beyond us, partly because our natural reality is a product of our biology. As such, even nihilism is a perspective which might be limited by a non-understanding of the very ontological reality itself.
I think this limitation is overstated. Science is perception of the world; so is human thought. If our perceptions correspond roughly to what's going on in the world, that's enough; nihilism, like Satanism, is a return from anthrocentric moral judgments to a morality of survival, supremacy and evolution -- a form of Social Darwinism.
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#49812 - 02/26/11 04:38 AM
Re: Nihilism vs Satanism? how similar are the two?
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Hegesias
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I am in the woods and working on my laptop.
I am not sure if anyone will come back to this thread but all comes back to nihilism. All the rest of my work is nihilistic so i thought I'd write what I can see today.
Reality. The atmosphere and climate of this deserted prison is always here. Sky is grey smoke that my eyes cannot stand, The water in my mouth is acidic and bitter. The air on my skin is this dull static. Hard. Cold.. Sobering. Severe. I see inmates who were once here are trying to climb back in over the walls to breath again the air of this place. This hideous reality that is the only one where you are awake. The feelings and thoughts are real and unpleasant, paranoia, hypervigilance, quickening dark mental activity and yet internal dialogue is but a few echoes, nothing more, yet so clear. This is not a peaceful place! There is no shape to this abyss? so what is this so clear in nature that glares into my eyes unseen!
Pure drives, pure impulses, pure black state of mind and heart. I am here now all the time, I do not make plans, I do not want anything. Why? Because every second I am alive and stimulated by such profound desolation. Abstractionless desolation.
Ego that was once something happening is now simply a consciousness, a plain glass between the demiurgos and this inverse cavern.
My taste is bitter, my sight is painfully clear, my flesh is sentient clay, my mind is this still darkness, no above, below nor lateral divide, where sudden grey flashes of corpses, a pit of limitless corpses, darkness is eating itself like lightning crashing in my head.
I can appreciate the presence of the feminine creature.
I do not want anything of this worlds absurd and ugly goings on. Society is to observe a pitiless painting of banality, to look at the eyes of apes being fed on their own dead, eating their dead infants, knowing not any different, I wish for these ugly sights to have the intelligences for penance and reflection as to what is happening so they would vomit and die from immense emotional trauma. A joke so sick that nothing else is funny except life itself and the severity of the horror that is just so disgusting that I laugh uncontrollably at man.
Black emotions, swarming stimulation, intensity.
Something inside is nauseated and besickened by the light of day for my "I" adjusted to darkness a long time ago.
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#50076 - 02/28/11 02:02 AM
Re: Nihilism vs Satanism? how similar are the two?
[Re: William Wright]
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Hegesias
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No, I don't have a deathwish and I'm not a sociopath, a sociopath lacks empathy. I do however know much about criminal psychology, I just hate what mankind has become and would like to see the Earth burned to a crisp because... I desensitise myself. I was born as a dead foetus and had numerous other near death experiences. I'm just very nihilistic almost all of the time and in person I am not horrible to anyone who does not deserve it, I've just seen and been in extreme violence my whole life and hate mankind because in my eyes nobody is trustworthy or honourable so I am to women, always have been. Is this a problem to anyone here?
You may think what you like and dismiss me as having no emotions like those doctors did, they were male, but you are male and will only see the dispassion I am capable of. Most of the time I'm just extremely black humoured, my depth perception for irony is something psychological and misanthropic.
Nothing makes me feel different inside but a female presence, her smile and laugh, everything else can rot. Is this a problem with anyone here?
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#50080 - 02/28/11 02:48 AM
Re: Nihilism vs Satanism? how similar are the two?
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Hegesias
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Sometimes sorrow becomes normal and turns to dispassion and numbness and anger. I look at mankind and see tragedy and sorrow when I look at happy peoples faces, the vulnerability and naivety, This sorrow makes me have a paroxysm of anger often times. Powerlessness to help people, powerlessness to communicate the importance of caring for one another, people don't appreciate ANYTHING, take each other for granted and neglect one another. Misanthropy is something which can make me extremely dispassionate but really I look for honourable types, I am arrogant and display the best manners and care to females out of sarcasm and anger because I just feel everything is not good enough, everyone is tragic and unsalvageable, oblivious. I despise weak people because they won't fight for themselves and this makes a feeling of powerlessness to help them, sorrow. This then turns to anger and then dispassion.
This makes me hate the inoperable. I try so hard to be loving and understanding to females, and I am. I just can't be around anyone who is drinking or doing drugs because I just see shit that I immediately display intolerance toward. Is there a problem with this for anyone? I have PTSD from prolonged exposure to violence, My father was a psychopath, I am desensitised from what has happened and the violence that I have had to do in extreme situations with people with blades, hammers you name it there been some fucked up people in my family homes when I was growing up and it's never, ever me that starts anything I retaliate with dispassionate violence and don't stop hitting, big deal, does anyone have a problem with this? I have hypervigilance constantly which means constant adrenaline, and my mind is aggressively active, big deal, I incapable of backing down from anything because once my adrenaline really goes I am basically a man with no soul.
I am incapable of trusting others. If I recognise anyone has ill intent I act first defensibly often violently. I have never deliberately gone out and hurt anyone for no reason, I spend most days just disgusted that somebody will interact with me and I'll beat the fuck out of them, I see this as the only thing to do. I look after my close ones that's all I do. Does anyone have a problem with this?
I like this forum because, well, make something up.
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#50219 - 02/28/11 11:33 PM
Re: Nihilism vs Satanism? how similar are the two?
[Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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Hegesias
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Thanks for those replies. I rekon people need to be aware of the positive object of nihilism and that it's not just a belief in nothing.
I put intrinsic value in black humour and orchestrating a vicious satire of societies mundanity, but besides that I'm not completely without everything, I still have a books, laptop, my instruments and weights... I just don't have any furniture or anything else. I never saw the point of wanting anything else.
Time to hit the gym tomorrow, there are females to charm. Shame I already have a wonderful girlfriend already.
Back more to the topic. Does anyone see the object of primal Satanism with nihilist dialectics in juxtaposition?
What I mean is that by deconstructing societal ways of thinking and being through nihilism leaves one without extrinsic/ intrinsic meaning and done in an extreme way through 'existential nihilism', even going so far as to polarise the negation we feel, we are left with nothing but our base desires and even doubting if emotion is real or at best something illusory on the way is necessary. Why? Because we then have Satanism, our primal nature and desires and complimented by philosophical thinking we realise that these two extremes no matter which Satanism or what active nihilism is pursued we arrive at the real and solid truth of our intrinsic meaning, we know what is important and put passion into those things which give us purpose in focus. At least I do.
I find meaning in exercise and good nutrition, music/ art/ literature, and appreciation of the feminine creature. That is all and all of these things I can appreciate in nature environment, I have a thing about the woods. It's not the environment that I am looking at like a picturesque painting, but to the dark presenced all around.
If I go dark it's because I simply cultivate that quickening of dark mental activity for passionate music making and writing. It is now inspiration.
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