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#38368 - 05/07/10 03:44 PM Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over? [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
Doomsage680 Offline
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The idea of converting someone to Satanism reminds me of a question that four well-known atheists have spoken about: Would you want a world where religion no longer exists?
Christopher Hitchens, a great debater, author, and blunt Atheist answered something along the lines of: No, because since it will never go away, we can use it to sharpen our wit and continue to put forward arguments that make it easier for individuals to make the choice of leaving behind their faith.
The statement is somewhere in part 10 or 11 of The Four Horsemen, a discussion about Atheism by four leading authors.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wwcGNPXCDU&feature=related

It is often beneficial to look at the flaws in an opposing argument to demonstrate how correct, or flawed, your own thinking may be. Religion is an institution of ignorance, and is quite useful in demonstrating the countless logical fallacies that might trap you in your own ideas.
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#38371 - 05/07/10 08:10 PM Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over? [Re: Doomsage680]
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Rarely do I do such posts lumping together replies to many different members. It is not meant to be disrespectful to anyone.

Let’s squash this first shall we?

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Such a waste of energy and time...

Then why participate? Why hit reply?

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri

Simply because I can.
And I like to smash over-inflated egoes.

You also asked a question that was clearly answered should you have understood what you had read. CS said understand your enemy, get it? I must ask whose over inflated ego do you think you are deflating err smashing here?

Who’s time and energy are you complaining that’s being wasted if not clearly your own?

Please stop there really is no need to explain yourself any further. Most of the questions I ask of you are rhetorical. If I can see what you try to do here others do as well.

Did you have anything to add about your experience with any door to door god salesmen?

 Originally Posted By: Noctuary
Trying to stretch out my answer here...
I don't have to deal with that problem. We have a sign that says 'No Solicitors'. It's really that easy.

After the last girl I decided that such a sign was needed that or simply an unwelcome sign.

 Originally Posted By: Nyte
Posted on enough other religious boards to know that, just about the time you think you've got another religion figured out, someone comes along and something new literally floats to the surface.

Always a different interpretation this is why not just any are qualified to teach.

 Originally Posted By: Nyte
Gotta take care of the here and now for me and mine and that's all that matters.

No one here can argue with that interpretation.

There was onetime I was eating at a local beach early morning blasting Celtic Frost in my car and I was approached by a JW. He was polite yet ballsy to knock on my window so I gave him a few minutes, we had a nice little chat he gave me some free schwag and talked a bit. It was the first time I realized JW’s interpreted the bibles heaven to be brought on earth by the second coming of Jesus. I told him he was listening to a song called Babylon Fell it was fun. I could have rolled up the window I could have drove off but I had a few minutes and felt chatty. I learned something much larger than one religions view I learned the power of interpretation.

 Originally Posted By: Morgan
I didn't think we were the Borg whereby we had to convert anyone. If anything, I would wish less idiots were running around claiming the title of Satanist.


The Borg existence seems rather boring. Most other religions would use these idiots as foot soldiers (perhaps spreading the word door to door) yet Satanists banish and ridicule them. If this doesn’t prove that unlike other religions there is no grand agenda in Satanism I don’t know what can.

Perhaps we need an agenda… Lol I know I went and said “WE”…

Just a weird side thought would Borg or any hive like race of beings wear clothes?

 Originally Posted By: MawhrinSkel
I remember those too. Since I'm into roleplaying games as well (unfortunately not as much as I used to) I also remember the ones that said playing Dungeons and Dragons would turn you into a devil worshipper. Hey, wait...

No, really, I don't worship the devil any more now than I did back when I was twelve. If there ever was devil worship in me, I don't think Gary Gygax put it there.

Do such things sway us from religion, thinking about such things as demons and monsters as nothing but fantasy is the real threat to organized religion. It allows you to open your mind enough to see how foolish it is to think these things real. RIP Gary Gygax your game has helped open a few minds.

Doomsage680,
Many forget that we needed everything we have to have gotten this far. This includes the fanatics and lunatics. One can see here on this very forum (of course much smaller) the workings of human nature. When there is a rush of newbies most complain how stupid most new members are as soon as it quiets down a bit there are cries of how stagnant the forum has become.

One cannot be converted to Satanism, perhaps awoken but never converted.

~T~

Stick around there are many lessons here, not all of them are so easily seen by all.
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#39537 - 06/23/10 09:35 PM Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over? [Re: ta2zz]
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I've never had a problem with door to door types, as I've never owned a place of my own and am much to young to have anyway. The only thing I have ever experienced in this regard are the people who discover your difference in religion though conversation and from that time on bring up their religion at any given opportunity in an attempt to convert. It wasn't bad at all at any of the places I've lived outside the marine corps, but since enlisting I've noticed that just about every service member is very religious. They are patriotic beyond sense, sometimes, and with that comes the 'one nation under god.' I've been told a few times that I don't belong in the marine corps or in the United States if I don't want to believe in God. I guess the original founding principles of the United States doesn't matter at all to most people, it's what it is now, which is coming closer to a theocracy. Sad day...=)
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#39568 - 06/26/10 05:19 PM Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over? [Re: Clicks]
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I speak with missionaries from the Mormon church from time to time,I've never declared my Religion because i believe there is no reason to.I just enjoy learning the things of which christ did,the things he said...though i have no reverent adoration for him,he is a very interesting character in history...and the beliefs of any christian organization should be attained by Satanists,so that the Satanist oppose properly..
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#39732 - 07/01/10 11:51 AM Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over? [Re: Doomsage680]
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Firsts and foremost I stripe down to my underwear to show them I am un-armed. Half naked but harmless. Then I invite the in to discuss the atrocity that is the Book of Mormon. In my travels I have look at this book from time to time and it is the worst piece of literature I have splayed eyes on.

Then they usually recoil in horror that I have said such blasphemy about their sacred delusions. I flip flop like a fish in Hilary Clinton's vagina,writhing for some kind of relief from the logic of Joke Smith. What the hell kind of king-loon writes shit like that?

Nevertheless, I enjoy when "witness of christ" tries to tell me more much he has done for them. So, the next time elder puke comes by don't just slam the down in there face slam the logic. I guarantee you will enjoy toying with the vassalage. And it never hurt to tell them how much Satan truly loves them.
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#39738 - 07/01/10 12:33 PM Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over? [Re: Severed Soul]
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When a missionary comes over, I usually do not want to hear what they have to say. That may just be me, but I get tired of hearing about that stuff at home, so I usually just tell them to leave...ok I do a little bit more. I let my four dogs out on the porch and scare the shit out of the missionary. Not too many more missionaries come by my house anymore...
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#39745 - 07/01/10 03:35 PM Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over? [Re: Severed Soul]
Dimitri Offline
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It is fun to notice almost no one here ever used the words "I'm not interested, but still have a nice day" and closes the door politely.

Its not they are carrying a shotgun to blast your door out..
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#39761 - 07/01/10 10:18 PM Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over? [Re: Dimitri]
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One can only wonder just what it is you are trying to say here…

Ok I had to reread the thread to see what you were on about and seriously 2 months after your first post in this thread you’re still on about why nobody is as rude to someone at the door as you?

Why would I raise my anger level at all over another’s beliefs, much less enough to slam my own front door? What is there to gain by acting badass towards a little lost sheep? Unless of course being the scary rude asshole to everyone who knocks on your door is your goal or you like fixing broken doors.

I mostly treat people how they treat me. Come to my door looking to fight and I’m sure you will find it. For the most part those trying to peddle their religion are polite.

This concludes this lesson. Have a nice day.

~T~
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#39790 - 07/02/10 03:27 AM Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over? [Re: ta2zz]
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Ok I had to reread the thread to see what you were on about and seriously 2 months after your first post in this thread you’re still on about why nobody is as rude to someone at the door as you?


Did you mean to reply to Dimitri with that? I didn't take what he said as being rude at all. Matter of fact, I thought it was pretty polite. "Not interested, have a nice day anyway" and close the door seems like a pretty practical way to handle the situation to me. He said close the door, not slam the door.

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#39836 - 07/03/10 01:52 AM Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over? [Re: ceruleansteel]
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Are you so sure you’re deciphering Dimitri’s intent correctly?

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
It is fun to notice almost no one here ever used the words "I'm not interested, but still have a nice day" and closes the door politely.

Reads to me in English “I find it funny no one here ever used the words I’m not interested but instead they say have a nice day and they close the door politely”.

His previous post does mention him slamming the door.

 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Does it really help to have the knowledge hell does exist in their religion when you can simply say "fuck off" right before slamming the door in their faces, or even better: ignoring them altogether.

Clearly ignoring them is a secondary thought, his first was to slam the door. Lets add to this only two people say anything about slamming the door in anybodies faces in this thread.

The first to say anything about slamming a door was The Zebu who was followed by “trick”. So seeing as the majority of the posts here are explaining that most of “US” are not rude to these door-to-door peddlers, the only logical interpretation of Dimitri’s intent is to be mocking those who are polite. Perhaps you are right and he simply doesn’t comprehend what he is reading and doesn’t understand that the majority of the posts here are about “US” being polite and not about slamming the door at all. You knew that didn’t you CS?

Needless…

This concludes this lesson. Have a nice day.

~T~
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#39855 - 07/03/10 11:46 AM Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over? [Re: ta2zz]
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Perhaps you should learn to read a little better ta2zz, and I do mean to read the things the way they are written and not what you made of it.

The "fuck-off" and slamming door part was a ruder manner of my latest reaction in such a position. How I really act is the polite way, the slamming door is illustrative and not to be confused with the way things really happen. Even a little child could make that up...

And do try to play the "he doesn't understand us because of the foreign language"-card. If you think I would even feel moved to not critise your ideas, or to break trough your comfort-zone..
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#40103 - 07/09/10 11:15 PM Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over? [Re: Dimitri]
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I absolutely hate to be religiously solicited. Religious solicitation, to me, is a form of spiritual/intellectual rape. Just as forcing oneself physically on someone else is rape, forcing one's religious beliefs on another is spiritual rape.

I can't tell you how many times I've had religious fundies seek me out (by the way, what the fuck does it say about me that they always seem to find me like I have some kind of fucking "SAVE ME!" beacon attached to me?) and subtly/not-so-subtly imply that the way I'm living my life is wrong (after having known me for all of two seconds) because, "hey, I used to be just like you, brother, just living my life, watching the ol' pornography, drinking, gambling..." Okay, I own up to the pornography, but I seldom drink alcohol, and I don't have any money to piss away on gambling, anyway. And I always love how they open with "Do you know Jesus?" Well, I suppose I know him as well as anyone can know someone who supposedly lived ca. 2000 years ago. They might as well ask if I know Tutankhamun or Hammurabi. Or Elvis. "Yeah, I know Jesus, but last I heard, he was in the klink; why don't you look there? That's where everyone else seems to find him."
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#40106 - 07/10/10 12:36 AM Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over? [Re: Draculesti]
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I have the same issue but I invited them in and offered them a drink they really think they have me I was raised as a mormon and so they don't really grasp that I could possibly be a satanist so I went to their local church and took their sacrament and have been playing along we have been invited to all the picnics and playdates for the kids it's fucking hilarious I knowingly have chosen to use them as my playthings like you say it's like being raped so why not get what I can I would never hurt them but if deception gets me more out of this one life then thats the way I'm playing it my kids had the other kids saying shemforash and the other parents thought it was some cutesy word my 2 year old daughter had made up she's my little wolf girl if they condemn you you can always do the same
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#40406 - 07/17/10 09:45 PM Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over? [Re: odiex13]
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You're actually in quite good company, odiex. It's more common than you may think for ex-Mormons to become Satanists. Sean Michael (guest host on Damon Foster's Satanic Views #8 & #9) is a former Mormon, is was my current flame. There's something about the extremely repressive and sheltered environment of Mormonism that aches for hedonistic and skeptical catharsis when a soul breaks free.

P.S. I would've linked to Zach of the Satanic International Network and his reaction to the visit of a couple Mormon missionaries... but I'm afraid his channel got axed.

Shemhamphorasch is actually Hebrew... but I wouldn't expect Mormons to recognize it, given their propensity to grossly mispronounce many Hebrew terms.


Edited by XiaoGui17 (07/17/10 09:54 PM)
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#42904 - 09/09/10 09:38 AM Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over? [Re: XiaoGui17]
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I had one of these folks ring my bell last night.

I:
  • Opened the door
  • Let them introduce themselves
  • Told them that I'm not interested in whatever it is they have to say
  • Closed the door

    Simple.
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