#38129 - 04/27/10 06:01 AM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
[Re: Severed Soul]
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Meq
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I remember walking through my local town where I heard a street preacher bellowing about Jesus. "He walked among men!" he screamed. "Come to Jesus so that you may find peace!"
"Peace and bigotry!" I yelled, before walking away...
My most interesting experiences with Christians however have been online. Lacking the inhibiting effects of face-to-face interaction, their true colors come out much more clearly.
Oh, how DARE you call them bigoted! Sure, everyone who doesn't share their opinions is going to the lake of fire, and they have a right to tell everyone their opinions, but you have no right to the opinion that that is bigoted.
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#38132 - 04/27/10 08:34 AM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
[Re: Morgan]
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Anne
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I've only been approched by a Jehova witness once, and that was back when I was around 15 standing around in my jammies and a top with hard nipples because of the cold -.- Didn't take long for em to realize I gave a damn and they toodled off again..
However I have been raised to hate jehova witnesses.. The reason for that is that they drove my fathers mother crazy before she past away, and I mean literally crazy because they would knock on the door, and if she wanted to shut the door, they would put a foot in the door and trespass, so when my dad and granddad came home, she would be all over the place and out of her self because of the nonsens the jehovas had filled her with.. I've always seen my father as a calm man with nerves of steel, until one of those jehovas comes along, then he sees red..
Luckily I havent been approched yet by one at my current adress, but should I be so "lucky" to be saved from my eternity in hell, i'll be sure to make it clear never to approch my door again! >.<
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#38133 - 04/27/10 08:49 AM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
[Re: Anne]
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Meq
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Well my Dad became a Jehovah's Witness back in 1995. He became especially vocal about the sexual immorality of people in the 'world', who don't even feel the need to get married before having sex (of course he didn't wait until marriage, but that was when he was unsaved and sinful.)
Although he was temporarily disfellowshipped for a couple of years after cheating on my mother with a girl half his age at his local Kingdom Hall (who was also married at the time), both of them have since been fully pardoned. They are now married and both are still active preachers. Meanwhile my dad still "fucking hates this world" and "can't wait until Armageddon comes". He also laughs off any suggestions that he appears hypocritical.
He got my sister who was 10 at the time to plead with her mother to believe in the Bible so she wouldn't die at Armageddon. He didn't mince his words in telling her God's plans for all her friends and family who didn't believe.
Then there are those who consider JWs to be harmless. I consider that a very naive stance, particularly when children or anyone emotionally vulnerable is involved. "Harmless" isn't a word I'd choose, personally.
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#38150 - 04/28/10 01:21 AM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
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Severed Soul
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I really have no time or inclination to engage in such exchanges anymore, but some very entertaining moments can come from answering the door with a heartfelt "Hail Satan!" Quick and too the point, haha that is a good way to get them to walk away. I really want one to eventually have to balls to hear the other side.
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#38177 - 04/29/10 03:53 AM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
[Re: Meq]
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Doomsage680
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I was volunteering at a Geriatric Center once and some Mormon's were there doing music. This one guy I was talking to had a nametag on, and if I'm not mistaken it said Padron Hernandes. Without realizing(padron means father in spanish) I assumed his first name was Padron, and in the end he tried giving me a pamphlet on how to get the Book of Mormon for free. I was a theistic satanist at the time, and said, "No I'm fine" but he insisted, "It will change your life." I took it, and later laughed at the idea of a Mexican Mormon. I guess it sort of makes sense since the Mormon's are in the South, so there would be a curious amount of Mexicano Mormonos. The back of the pamphlet had a way to get a Book of Mormon in spanish. It just goes to show that anyone will believe anything, no matter how crazy.
Another time, at my house, 2 Jehova's Witnesses came to the door. My dad, a Presbyterian and my Mom, a Catholic(only in name, doesn't know anything about the religion) would not let them in to talk, even for a second. They accepted the pamphlet given, which I read. Something about avoiding Nuclear Holocaust and supporting Nuclear NonProliferation. I feel as though I would attempt to shatter their faith through a long, thoughtful conversation. I've helped to make my friend who wanted to be a priest question his Christianity seriously, but maybe I'm just young and naive. You all seem to have had more experience with these people. Still, I'd ask them the hard questions no theist has ever answered me.
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#38179 - 04/29/10 07:21 AM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
[Re: Doomsage680]
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Nemesis
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My earliest and fondest memories of Jehovah's Witnesses always occurred when I would visit my dad on the weekends. They'd come by in the mornings when I was watching cartoons, and dad was doing things around the house, getting ready to work out in the garage or outside in the yard. My dad couldn't afford to have the air conditioner fixed, so the windows were always open. We would hear them coming, or see them across the street bothering the neighbors. So I'd turn the tv off, and when we heard them approach our front porch, my dad and I would hide in the hallway. Mainly because those nosy bastards would try to look into our windows and see if anyone was home. A couple more knocks, and they were on their way.
I always thought it was funny, although they would annoy the hell out of my dad.
Although one time they came by and my dad wasn't home, so I answered the door (mentally kicking myself when I saw who it was). They chatted with me, gave me a nice hard-cover illustrated book, and left. I didn't tell my dad, because I knew he'd have been mad that I answered the door. Upon reading through the book, I'd come across a paragraph which said my earthly father wasn't my real father, but that God was instead. That really pissed me off. When I was a kid, I was really touchy about my dad for a long time because of my parents' divorce when I was 7. The surest way to wound me was to talk trash about him. So when I read that, several times over just to make sure I'd read it correctly, I threw the book across the room. I thought to myself, "What kind of an asshole is this God?" Never finished it.
I think that experience started me on my path of questioning God, because just a few years later when I was 13, I reverted to Atheism due to lack of evidence of God's existence.
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#38208 - 05/01/10 12:26 PM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
[Re: ceruleansteel]
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ta2zz
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Hello,
You are full of shit and an idiot. Neither Mormons nor Jehovah's Witnesses believe in hell. You would know that if you took the time to "know your enemy". Here we are yet again looking down our nose at yet another thread yet another new forum member. Predictable if nothing else, but I must point out another flaw here. To simply say Mormons and JW’s do not believe in hell well you are wrong. Some simple light reading proves without a doubt that while hell is not full of fire and brimstone it clearly exists to the modern Mormon as the outer darkness away from god. Yes yet another analogy to the ever present fight between darkness and light. "The extent of this punishment none will ever know except those who partake of it. That it is the most severe punishment that can be meted out to man is apparent. Outer darkness is something which cannot be described, except that we know that it is to be placed beyond the benign and comforting influence of the Spirit of God-banished entirely from his presence" (Doctrines of Salvation 2:220). ~ Joseph Fielding Smith
Jehovah's Witness on the other hand interpret the bibles Hell to being the grave itself therefore everyone goes to hell when they die. When you are dead you do nothing you are not conscious, yet if and when resurrected those so judged will be thrown into “the lake of fire” to experience the second death. It seems this second death has been explained in “the watchtower” as…
"It means the death from which there is no resurrection. They will be burned up root and branch, as completely gone forever as the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah" ~The Watchtower 1 July 1967, p. 409.
"It is a death from which there is no resurrection. The second death is absolutely distinct from Adamic death, for the Dragon, the Original Serpent, Satan the Devil, never died in Adamic death but he is hurled into the `second death,' the symbolic lake of fire, and so too, are the `wild beast' and the `false prophet.' "So the `lake of fire' symbolizes everlasting destruction of a person or thing" ~The Watchtower 15 September 1967, p. 571.
You were saying?
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#38209 - 05/02/10 02:54 AM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
[Re: ta2zz]
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Nyte
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I'm not sure what bunch visited us one time, but the lady started off with "How would you like to know that in your "afterlife" you are taken care of, never to worry, fret, feel pain, or sorrow again?" I looked her straight in the eye and said, "You need a new opening line, because if death is all you can start with, instead of here and now, I'm not interested. I'm alive now and need to take care of things now, today. Not after I'm dead." and shut the door watching her eyes just about bug out of her head and her jaw sitting on the front porch step. They had visited at a bad time. My husband had just blown out his calcaneus, and was for sure going to be out of work for at least 2 months, provided the docs didn't decide to do more surgery. I wasn't in the mood for lectures of the "afterlife", that's for sure. We weren't visited for quite some time after that.
However, since having just moved this past month, my oldest opened the door to a guy dressed to the "nines" and driving a new Ford SUV with some really pretty shiny rims (oldest said they were some of the highest priced rims he just recently saw at the local tire and rim shop). The guy was pretty light and started right away into his intro when my son just looked at him and told him, "No thanks, I'm Wiccan." He said you could watch the guy deflate and stumbled into telling my oldest to have a nice day. Now mind you, my oldest isn't Wiccan, but it definitely ended that long lecture rather abruptly and listening to that guy stammer while I was working in the kitchen was fairly funny.
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#38214 - 05/03/10 01:42 AM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
[Re: ceruleansteel]
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Severed Soul
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You are full of shit and an idiot. Neither Mormons nor Jehovah's Witnesses believe in hell. You would know that if you took the time to "know your enemy".
And for the record, I'm not calling you an idiot offhand. "You are already living in a self made hell." Are you serious? What black metal humpfest did you pilfer that line from? They probably leave because they realize that you don't have the mental capacity to handle an actual religious/philosophical debate and don't want to waste their time with you.
I don't blame them.
Am I an idiot? No, no I would not say I am. You say Mormons don't believe in Hell. You are wrong, "Hell is a temporary state of terrible anguish and pain for the wicked" that is a quick explanation of Hell from a Mormons view, and yes that quote is from a Mormon. As for Jehovah's, their view of Hell is simply not going to heaven and remaining unconscious in their grave for ever. Just because their view of Hell differs from the norm does not mean they don't believe in it. You tell me to know my enemy, I don't know about you but i don't see people with different beliefs than me as enemies.
""You are already living in a self made hell." Are you serious? What black metal humpfest did you pilfer that line from?" If you found that as stupid I really don't care that is the first thing that came to my mind as my plan was to say something of that sort for a reaction. This response does show your level of maturity though, if you have nothing better to do than insult people online who are only trying to hear about peoples experiences then in my opinion you should trying getting some sort of hobby to occupy your time.
"you don't have the mental capacity to handle an actual religious/philosophical debate" Maybe I am mistaken but I thought that one of the purposes of this website was to help people become educated in these areas. I am younger than many of the people who are members here so it is quite obvious that my "metal capacity" will be lower, that's why I'm here, to learn.
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#38215 - 05/03/10 02:39 AM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
[Re: ta2zz]
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ceruleansteel
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Heh. You're one to call the kettle black...
Mormons do not believe in hell. The "outer darkness away from god"....the part where they are away from god is the alleged part that is the punishment...there is no torture, no pain, no nothing, just no god. That is not hell. For Mormons it's third heaven...like living a thousand miles away from the nearest town. Sorry, buddy, it's a ten-year hike to the nearest gold-paved street and eternal feast. No admittance if you aren't on the list.
Jehovah's Witnesses do NOT interepret the grave as being hell. They specifically do not believe that hell exists, period. They believe that where the bible says "Hell", it is a misinterpretation of a biblically geographical location outside of Jerusalem which existed as basically a trash dumping site that was kept burning. The bodies of those deemed so terrible that they did not deserve a "Proper burial" were thrown onto the trash heap to burn with the rest of the garbage. JW's believe that if you aren't "IN" with the big guy, your punishment is that you will not "be resurrected when earth once again becomes a paradise". That's it, and that is not hell.
NO Mormon or Jehovah's Witness would ever tell ANYONE that they are going to burn in hell for ANYTHING because neither one of them believe in hell, nor do they believe that their is a place where "souls" burn, either temporarily or eternally.
I'm surprised you didn't try to gloss over the word "symbolic"...or maybe you just don't know what it means...revelations is full of symbolism...and the JW's teach that this is not to be taken literally. They have a whole months-long study course just on the book of revelations. You should check it out sometime. It may enlighten you as to what the fuck you are talking about.
Edited by ceruleansteel (05/03/10 02:40 AM)
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#38217 - 05/03/10 02:57 AM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
[Re: Severed Soul]
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ceruleansteel
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If you want to become educated in the area of religious and philosophical debate, you need to stop being a retard when those people knock on your door and let the fuckers in. You don't know shit about the two religions you are talking about, therefore, you could never debate them if the opportunity arose. I spent over a year studying with Jehovah's Witnesses and going to meetings and almost as long with Mormons. Any douchebag with vocal cords can throw some shock value at them. That just makes you look like a fruitcake. To actually debate them and have them question themselves takes a bit of actual effort on your part. You have proven already that you haven't been willing to put forth that effort and using your age for an excuse just makes the whole thing lamer (more lame?).
I promise you, Christianity is not contagious.
No one here is going to hold your hand and teach you how to debate the doorknockers. You need to get off your ass and learn what they believe, then study the shit so you can find where the loopholes are and can then ask them the questions that they are still wondering months after they leave your house. When you can come back and tell me that you have led a lamb astray, THEN I will have a bit of respect for you...maybe.
Not to mention the fact that your post does not say that you want to learn the secrets of arguing Mormons, et al. It says, "hey I freaked out some christians this way. how do YOU freak them out?" Very juvenile.
Their view of hell differs from the norm because THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN HELL.
As an afterthought: It is quite possible that the people you spoke to were Baptist. Though they are not normally the doorknocking type, they do have their pocket-factions that show up from time to time. THOSE are some hell-believing fuckers, and they are fairly impossible to argue because THEY don't even know what they are talking about, so they answer everything with the "God's will" and "faith" and all that bullshit...but the Mormons and the JW's truly believe that if they study hard enough, all answers will be revealed to them.
Edited by ceruleansteel (05/03/10 03:03 AM) Edit Reason: afterthought.
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#38218 - 05/03/10 03:00 AM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
[Re: ceruleansteel]
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Severed Soul
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NO Mormon or Jehovah's Witness would ever tell ANYONE that they are going to burn in hell for ANYTHING because neither one of them believe in hell, nor do they believe that their is a place where "souls" burn, either temporarily or eternally.
I can honestly say i did not make up what i posted though you may believe otherwise. My line "they insist on only speaking of how we all go to hell unless we go to their church service and let them save us" is just a summary of what i felt they were pushing on to me, i did not mean to confuse people by making it seem those are always their exact words.
Also i am interested in knowing where you have gotten all of your information on those two religions.
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#38230 - 05/03/10 03:16 PM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
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ceruleansteel
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144,000 of them go to heaven. The rest are tormented.
Just to clarify:
They believe that 144,000 go to heaven to become part of what is basically the court of God. Of those remaining, the good ones stay on earth living in Paradise and "proud service to God" (cleaning up the damage that we have done to the earth and taking care of the animals, etc) and the bad ones simply cease to exist. Some will even get sort of a second chance if they happen to be alive when the shit goes down.
They also believe that if you are among the 144K you will know it already. The only so-called holiday they commemorate is the death of Jesus and on that day they pass around sacraments and wine and only the people who are among the 144K can eat and drink of it. I only studied with them for a little over a year so I've only seen this *ritual* once, but no one ate where I was at.
Also, according to them, it was during the time of WWII that Satan took over as full-time ruler of the earth. He'll have control for x number of years before God decides that playtime is over.
I could go on and on...because I've studied with them. Then one day the ladies I studied with happened over and asked me if I had any questions. I put it to them and they told me that when they came back again, they would have the answers. They haven't been back since (almost 8 months now). They do still call from time to time and tell me they are thinking of me and looking for my answers (matter of fact, one called Saturday) but every day that they are searching for the answers to my questions is another day that they are being made to think more like me (the question-asker) and less like themselves (the accepting-on-faith).
Weird beliefs aside, they were nice enough people.
My mission is not to convert anyone else any more than I want to be converted myself. I have my philosophy and it works for me. But I do enjoy pulling that curtain back from time to time, and making others adopt a more rational and logical worldview, as well as a habit of actually using their brain, is something that I take pride in.
Which is why I work with kids. Any person who studies religion as a "tool in the box" knows that (religion) has cornered the market on manipulation and indoctrination. And although the subject matter may be a bit distasteful to some (I am personally neutral), the lessons on HOW it works are there if you are interested in finding them. And knowing how something works helps you understand how it also comes apart, and how to apply both sides of that equation to your own life. If you are learning how to build a house, it's foolish to only read one book on the subject and call yourself a master. NLP, body language, psychology...they are all important in getting your way in the world and making the world what you want, but understanding religion is - I think - just as important because at the end of the day, religion is one of the deep-seated, invisible powers that drives people.
My mission isn't to convert people to Satanism, it's to convert people to THINKERS. The Catholics say that if you give them your child until he is five, he will be theirs forever. They know when your mind is at its weakest and most malleable...and that's why I work with children. Catch them young, teach them how to think instead of simply react or float along, and send them out into the world armed with the ABILITY to affect a change...and once I have done that, I don't have to worry about what choices they will make because I'll be lurking in their little heads forever, guiding them even when I'm gone.
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#38231 - 05/03/10 03:28 PM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
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Severed Soul
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My mission isn't to convert people to Satanism, it's to convert people to THINKERS
This line of yours really stands out to me. I have "converted" a few people to Satanism by telling them what i feel it is about etc (only when they ask about it). But your line made me realize that i should instead of telling them have them learn on their own.
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#38298 - 05/04/10 11:10 PM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
[Re: ceruleansteel]
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ta2zz
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Heh. You're one to call the kettle black... You are hardly a new member.
This has become cute complete with a nice back story of how you like to change the world but on the statement that Mormons and JW’s do not believe in hell you’re still incorrect.
Let’s look on the Mormon website LDS.org shall we to see what the official definition for hell is.
Hell
Latter-day revelations speak of hell in at least two ways. First, it is another name for spirit prison, a temporary place in the postmortal world for those who died without a knowledge of the truth or those who were disobedient in mortality. Second, it is the permanent location of Satan and his followers and the sons of perdition, who are not redeemed by the Atonement of Jesus Christ.
If we look at their link to the scriptures we would see this…
Latter-day revelation speaks of hell in at least two senses. First, it is the temporary abode in the spirit world for those who were disobedient in mortality. In this sense, hell has an end. The spirits there will be taught the gospel, and sometime following their repentance they will be resurrected to a degree of glory of which they are worthy. Those who will not repent, but are nevertheless not sons of perdition, will remain in hell throughout the Millennium. After these thousand years of torment, they will be resurrected to a telestial glory.
Second, it is the permanent location of those who are not redeemed by the atonement of Jesus Christ. In this sense, hell is permanent. It is for those who are found “filthy still”. This is the place where Satan, his angels, and the sons of perdition—those who have denied the Son after the Father has revealed him—will dwell eternally.
The scriptures sometimes refer to hell as outer darkness.
Mormons do not believe in hell. The "outer darkness away from god"....the part where they are away from god is the alleged part that is the punishment...there is no torture, no pain, no nothing, just no god. That is not hell. Apparently its is and it appears to be where Satan resides as well. Just because it doesn’t fit your Christian definition of a fire and brimstone hell doesn’t mean it’s not the same place. Fire and brimstone is symbolic for the torture of being kept from god or one of the three heavens.
Their view of hell differs from the norm because THEY DO NOT BELIEVE IN HELL. It’s funny that those who disbelieve so have such a definition on their official website.
Now on to the JW’s shall we? What better place to look but their official website as well. Looking at the JW definition of hell on watchtower.org to refute your claims.
Sorry but I’m going to have a little fun with this…
Jehovah's Witnesses do NOT interepret the grave as being hell. “The Bible hell, then, is the common grave of mankind where good people as well as bad ones go.” ~ watchtower.org
They specifically do not believe that hell exists, period. "Since the punishment for sin is death, the fundamental question in determining the true nature of hell is: What happens to us when we die?" ~ watchtower.org
They believe that where the bible says "Hell", it is a misinterpretation of a biblically geographical location outside of Jerusalem which existed as basically a trash dumping site that was kept burning. “Does life of some kind, in some form, continue after death? What is hell, and what kind of people go there? Is there any hope for those in hell? The Bible gives truthful and satisfying answers to these questions.” ~ watchtower.org
“Truthful and satisfying answers to these questions” does not seem much like a misinterpretation to me.
[quote=ceruleansteel]The bodies of those deemed so terrible that they did not deserve a "Proper burial" were thrown onto the trash heap to burn with the rest of the garbage. The descriptions of Gehenna could quite possibly be why Hell is symbolic of fire and torment but seems to have little to do with official JW definitions.
JW's believe that if you aren't "IN" with the big guy, your punishment is that you will not "be resurrected when earth once again becomes a paradise". That's it, and that is not hell. If this is true why do they go on to say this?
“As does Gehenna, the lake of fire symbolizes eternal destruction. Death and Hades are "hurled into" it in that they will be done away with when mankind is freed from sin and the condemnation of death. Willful, unrepentant sinners will also have their "portion" in that lake. (Revelation 21:8) They too will be annihilated forever. On the other hand, those in God's memory who are in hell—the common grave of mankind—have a marvelous future.” ~ watchtower.org
Like I said before, I studied with them. I have always been of the opinion that the best way to get information is to go to the source...or in this case, allow the source to come to you.
I could go on and on...because I've studied with them.
They have a whole months-long study course just on the book of revelations. You should check it out sometime. It may enlighten you as to what the fuck you are talking about. Maybe you should check the credentials of those whom you study with. From the sound of it they didn’t have a very firm grasp on what their own religions interpretation of bible scripture teaches.
The preceding facts have come from a page on watchtower.org and can be read in its entirety here What Really Is Hell?
Perhaps more THINKING is needed.
Good day
~T~
PS. I purposefully left out your mention that these people are your enemy to see if others picked up on this. Since two others have mentioned it I will now ask why are others with differing beliefs your enemy?
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#38324 - 05/05/10 03:48 PM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
[Re: Dimitri]
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ta2zz
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Like I have said before I am here to learn. As most of us are living, learning, simply making the best of it every day. We can only hope that anything we click on and read here has something in it that makes us think. Why else push and bother to communicate?
You argued his points much better than I. It shows that both ceruleansteel and I could have done way more research for both sides of our debate. Whose points have I argued? Yes you are correct that it does show you could have researched your point better but you did mention it at least…
It also shows that sometimes some of us forget that lessons come in many forms from many different walks of life. Some of us forget that all teachers are not correct and anyone teaching anything should be questioned harder than someone simply stating an opinion.
Stick around there is much to learn if you can comprehend it.
I don't and won't let them in to waste my time. Personal acquaintances, close friends, now that's a different story. They have however earned that time from me. Huge difference. I agree as I said in my first reply to this thread. Most unannounced visitors only see the outside of my front door. I cannot see the gain from opening my door to every person who knocks on it. The last time I did it was a girl selling magazines I wasn’t feeling chatty and her little jokes of kidnapping me to the Bahamas were not taken as funny. I did refrain from asking her who knew she was here at my door lol. Other than that I was short and straight telling her I wasn’t interested in buying books or magazines from her or the trip she was trying to win. Her parting words were “you should be nicer to people who come to your door” since I wasn’t mean in any way I told her have a nice day. She is entitled to her opinion and her opinion of me affects me in absolutely no manner. Silly me its my own fault opening the door for a unknown cute young girl when I wasn’t feeling chatty.
Such a waste of energy and time... Then why participate? Why hit reply?
Everyone has a different way of fueling the ego and validating to him/herself that they are more important and better than others. The Satanist is no different.
To some it is simply exclaiming what a waste of time to others its how much more they know and to others still its simply spreading their interpretation of their religion door to door. Do you see where I stand on this, its clear as day? Enjoy your stay
~T~
Wow did someone say something about converting people to Satanism? I won’t go near that with a 20-foot pole…
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#38343 - 05/06/10 07:29 AM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
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I also forgot to mention my other rather odd experience with the JW's.
I was 18 and I'd recently moved back to Florida, and was riding my bike to work, which was about 2 1/2 miles away. I'd woken up one morning to find that someone had stolen my bike out of my driveway, so I had to hoof it. I got about halfway there and I said, "Fuck it, I'll take the bus the rest of the way." So as I'm sitting there waiting, a couple gets out of their car behind the bus bench and comes up to me. I'm more than a little freaked out, because who hasn't heard stories of seemingly nice-looking couples who end up kidnapping and torturing people? Warily I watch them approach, they say "Hi", and I say, "Good morning". Then they start asking me where I'm going. "To work," I say, and they tell me that they're just trying to spread the good word that they'd be more than happy to give me a ride since it was just another mile down the road. They had a bunch of literature to give me, and my feet were tired, so I said that yes, I sure would appreciate a ride. When they dropped me off at my workplace, they gave me some literature and hoped that I'd have a nice day. I thanked them and went on.
I think that I was more thankful that they kept their word and I hadn't ended up in their trunk with duct tape over my mouth.
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#38350 - 05/06/10 01:38 PM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
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= short intermezzo =
Then why participate? Why hit reply?
Everyone has a different way of fueling the ego and validating to him/herself that they are more important and better than others. The Satanist is no different. Simply because I can. And I like to smash over-inflated egoes.
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#38355 - 05/06/10 11:37 PM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
[Re: ta2zz]
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Nyte
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Like I have said before I am here to learn. As most of us are living, learning, simply making the best of it every day. We can only hope that anything we click on and read here has something in it that makes us think. Why else push and bother to communicate? You argued his points much better than I. It shows that both ceruleansteel and I could have done way more research for both sides of our debate. Whose points have I argued? Yes you are correct that it does show you could have researched your point better but you did mention it at least
It also shows that sometimes some of us forget that lessons come in many forms from many different walks of life. Some of us forget that all teachers are not correct and anyone teaching anything should be questioned harder than someone simply stating an opinion. Stick around there is much to learn if you can comprehend it.
Yep! My theory is to learn about what I need to for me and another religion just doesn't "fit the bill" right now. If I get bits and pieces here and there, they may come in handy one day but to actually go and study....no time for that right now. Learned enough over those previous 30 years to know what I don't need to be involved with enough to dedicate that much time to again. Posted on enough other religious boards to know that, just about the time you think you've got another religion figured out, someone comes along and something new literally floats to the surface. Gotta take care of the here and now for me and mine and that's all that matters.
I don't and won't let them in to waste my time. Personal acquaintances, close friends, now that's a different story. They have however earned that time from me. Huge difference.
I agree as I said in my first reply to this thread. Most unannounced visitors only see the outside of my front door. I cannot see the gain from opening my door to every person who knocks on it. The last time I did it was a girl selling magazines I wasnt feeling chatty and her little jokes of kidnapping me to the Bahamas were not taken as funny. I did refrain from asking her who knew she was here at my door lol. Other than that I was short and straight telling her I wasnt interested in buying books or magazines from her or the trip she was trying to win. Her parting words were you should be nicer to people who come to your door since I wasnt mean in any way I told her have a nice day. She is entitled to her opinion and her opinion of me affects me in absolutely no manner. Silly me its my own fault opening the door for a unknown cute young girl when I wasnt feeling chatty.
She was feeling brave to even hint about kidnapping someone who wasn't really in the mood to be entertained. It amazes me what people will joke about sometimes. Though I should know better with my current line of work and even from when I bartended. The things I've heard through the years, nothing should faze me anymore.
She commented that you should be nicer to people that knock on YOUR door. They just don't get that they are on someone else's property (uninvited) and no one owes them anything, including being nice to them. It's a good thing it wasn't me at my door having to listen to her. "Have a nice day." probably wouldn't have even been a thought for her, but that's just me. lol
Such a waste of energy and time...
Then why participate? Why hit reply?
Everyone has a different way of fueling the ego and validating to him/herself that they are more important and better than others. The Satanist is no different.
To some it is simply exclaiming what a waste of time to others its how much more they know and to others still its simply spreading their interpretation of their religion door to door. Do you see where I stand on this, its clear as day? Enjoy your stay
~T~
Wow did someone say something about converting people to Satanism? I wont go near that with a 20-foot pole
I don't think anyone really suggested it, but ya never know. I might have to go back and re-read just to see where you might have picked that up from.
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#38368 - 05/07/10 03:44 PM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
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Doomsage680
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The idea of converting someone to Satanism reminds me of a question that four well-known atheists have spoken about: Would you want a world where religion no longer exists? Christopher Hitchens, a great debater, author, and blunt Atheist answered something along the lines of: No, because since it will never go away, we can use it to sharpen our wit and continue to put forward arguments that make it easier for individuals to make the choice of leaving behind their faith. The statement is somewhere in part 10 or 11 of The Four Horsemen, a discussion about Atheism by four leading authors. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wwcGNPXCDU&feature=related
It is often beneficial to look at the flaws in an opposing argument to demonstrate how correct, or flawed, your own thinking may be. Religion is an institution of ignorance, and is quite useful in demonstrating the countless logical fallacies that might trap you in your own ideas.
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#38371 - 05/07/10 08:10 PM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
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ta2zz
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Rarely do I do such posts lumping together replies to many different members. It is not meant to be disrespectful to anyone.
Let’s squash this first shall we?
Such a waste of energy and time... Then why participate? Why hit reply?
Simply because I can. And I like to smash over-inflated egoes. You also asked a question that was clearly answered should you have understood what you had read. CS said understand your enemy, get it? I must ask whose over inflated ego do you think you are deflating err smashing here?
Who’s time and energy are you complaining that’s being wasted if not clearly your own?
Please stop there really is no need to explain yourself any further. Most of the questions I ask of you are rhetorical. If I can see what you try to do here others do as well.
Did you have anything to add about your experience with any door to door god salesmen?
Trying to stretch out my answer here... I don't have to deal with that problem. We have a sign that says 'No Solicitors'. It's really that easy. After the last girl I decided that such a sign was needed that or simply an unwelcome sign.
Posted on enough other religious boards to know that, just about the time you think you've got another religion figured out, someone comes along and something new literally floats to the surface. Always a different interpretation this is why not just any are qualified to teach.
Gotta take care of the here and now for me and mine and that's all that matters. No one here can argue with that interpretation.
There was onetime I was eating at a local beach early morning blasting Celtic Frost in my car and I was approached by a JW. He was polite yet ballsy to knock on my window so I gave him a few minutes, we had a nice little chat he gave me some free schwag and talked a bit. It was the first time I realized JW’s interpreted the bibles heaven to be brought on earth by the second coming of Jesus. I told him he was listening to a song called Babylon Fell it was fun. I could have rolled up the window I could have drove off but I had a few minutes and felt chatty. I learned something much larger than one religions view I learned the power of interpretation.
I didn't think we were the Borg whereby we had to convert anyone. If anything, I would wish less idiots were running around claiming the title of Satanist.
The Borg existence seems rather boring. Most other religions would use these idiots as foot soldiers (perhaps spreading the word door to door) yet Satanists banish and ridicule them. If this doesn’t prove that unlike other religions there is no grand agenda in Satanism I don’t know what can.
Perhaps we need an agenda… Lol I know I went and said “WE”…
Just a weird side thought would Borg or any hive like race of beings wear clothes?
I remember those too. Since I'm into roleplaying games as well (unfortunately not as much as I used to) I also remember the ones that said playing Dungeons and Dragons would turn you into a devil worshipper. Hey, wait...
No, really, I don't worship the devil any more now than I did back when I was twelve. If there ever was devil worship in me, I don't think Gary Gygax put it there. Do such things sway us from religion, thinking about such things as demons and monsters as nothing but fantasy is the real threat to organized religion. It allows you to open your mind enough to see how foolish it is to think these things real. RIP Gary Gygax your game has helped open a few minds.
Doomsage680, Many forget that we needed everything we have to have gotten this far. This includes the fanatics and lunatics. One can see here on this very forum (of course much smaller) the workings of human nature. When there is a rush of newbies most complain how stupid most new members are as soon as it quiets down a bit there are cries of how stagnant the forum has become. One cannot be converted to Satanism, perhaps awoken but never converted.
~T~
Stick around there are many lessons here, not all of them are so easily seen by all.
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#39732 - 07/01/10 11:51 AM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
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NeoZombie
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Firsts and foremost I stripe down to my underwear to show them I am un-armed. Half naked but harmless. Then I invite the in to discuss the atrocity that is the Book of Mormon. In my travels I have look at this book from time to time and it is the worst piece of literature I have splayed eyes on.
Then they usually recoil in horror that I have said such blasphemy about their sacred delusions. I flip flop like a fish in Hilary Clinton's vagina,writhing for some kind of relief from the logic of Joke Smith. What the hell kind of king-loon writes shit like that?
Nevertheless, I enjoy when "witness of christ" tries to tell me more much he has done for them. So, the next time elder puke comes by don't just slam the down in there face slam the logic. I guarantee you will enjoy toying with the vassalage. And it never hurt to tell them how much Satan truly loves them.
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#39836 - 07/03/10 01:52 AM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
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ta2zz
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Are you so sure you’re deciphering Dimitri’s intent correctly?
It is fun to notice almost no one here ever used the words "I'm not interested, but still have a nice day" and closes the door politely. Reads to me in English “I find it funny no one here ever used the words I’m not interested but instead they say have a nice day and they close the door politely”.
His previous post does mention him slamming the door.
Does it really help to have the knowledge hell does exist in their religion when you can simply say "fuck off" right before slamming the door in their faces, or even better: ignoring them altogether. Clearly ignoring them is a secondary thought, his first was to slam the door. Lets add to this only two people say anything about slamming the door in anybodies faces in this thread.
The first to say anything about slamming a door was The Zebu who was followed by “trick”. So seeing as the majority of the posts here are explaining that most of “US” are not rude to these door-to-door peddlers, the only logical interpretation of Dimitri’s intent is to be mocking those who are polite. Perhaps you are right and he simply doesn’t comprehend what he is reading and doesn’t understand that the majority of the posts here are about “US” being polite and not about slamming the door at all. You knew that didn’t you CS?
Needless…
This concludes this lesson. Have a nice day.
~T~
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#40103 - 07/09/10 11:15 PM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
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Draculesti
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I absolutely hate to be religiously solicited. Religious solicitation, to me, is a form of spiritual/intellectual rape. Just as forcing oneself physically on someone else is rape, forcing one's religious beliefs on another is spiritual rape.
I can't tell you how many times I've had religious fundies seek me out (by the way, what the fuck does it say about me that they always seem to find me like I have some kind of fucking "SAVE ME!" beacon attached to me?) and subtly/not-so-subtly imply that the way I'm living my life is wrong (after having known me for all of two seconds) because, "hey, I used to be just like you, brother, just living my life, watching the ol' pornography, drinking, gambling..." Okay, I own up to the pornography, but I seldom drink alcohol, and I don't have any money to piss away on gambling, anyway. And I always love how they open with "Do you know Jesus?" Well, I suppose I know him as well as anyone can know someone who supposedly lived ca. 2000 years ago. They might as well ask if I know Tutankhamun or Hammurabi. Or Elvis. "Yeah, I know Jesus, but last I heard, he was in the klink; why don't you look there? That's where everyone else seems to find him."
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#48170 - 02/05/11 11:59 PM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
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Pheonix666
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I've lived as a mormon for about 17 years, so I've had my fair share of experiences. However, after I graduated High School, I became, what they call, an "inactive member." Well, truth be told, I'm waiting on my letter from their church to officially knock me out of their sysytem, so that my name can never be used again.
Anyways, about March of last year, I became part of the Satanic world, and in July, I started to switch to the Luciferian way. About that time, in July, I became more of a cold hearted bastard and had a wonderful heated argument with a mormon missionary. He was a fanatic, and even I could see that, and I had forgotten my shades and couldn't see five feet in front of me.
He began to discuss how his god was the "true father" and only he can save us from ourselves. At first, I had no idea what he was talking about, and said that his sort of god doesn't exist, and he can never prove me wrong. Well, suffice to say, he didn't like me very much, and I found some entertainment from my boring afternoon. At first, he began like they always do, and said that I'll burn for all eternity if I don't worship his sort of god. It made me laugh at that point, and began to tell him about reincarnation. That its been documented, and proven, that it is more than possible, than the idea of a "god."
His companion, at the time, did not do anything, nor said anything, which made me wonder what was going through his head at the time. The one that I was arguing with, began to quote from his storybooks, so, being the bastard that I still am today, I began to quote right back at him. When he got to quoting the oh so famous one of "The meak shall inherit the earth," I couldn't help myself. I replied with, "You sure ain't meak, standing there all high and mighty. Trying to look down your noes at me when I'm standing a foot taller than you."
Well, next thing I know, I'm looking up at the beautiful face of a nurse, who was busy making sure I didn't have a concussion, and the missionary who had clubbed me was in handcuffs. All the while, the other one was explaining what had happened.
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#48191 - 02/06/11 08:18 AM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
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XiaoGui17
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I've lived as a mormon for about 17 years, so I've had my fair share of experiences...About that time, in July, I became more of a cold hearted bastard and had a wonderful heated argument with a mormon missionary...At first, he began like they always do, and said that I'll burn for all eternity if I don't worship his sort of god.
Earlier in this thread...
NO Mormon or Jehovah's Witness would ever tell ANYONE that they are going to burn in hell for ANYTHING because neither one of them believe in hell, nor do they believe that their is a place where "souls" burn, either temporarily or eternally.
CS is right. I’m surprised that someone who identifies himself as a former Mormon of 17 years would be so oblivious to their doctrine… and also their culture. Either you grew up among the most heretical Mormons that ever walked the planet, or there’s something fishier about your story than oil-packed solid white albacore.
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#48206 - 02/06/11 11:37 AM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
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Pheonix666
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Oh no, they still do preach about burning in hell. I've been told it too many times if I don't shape up and keep thinking the way that they do.
They believe in quite a number of things. Their 3 levels of heaven, a Fire and Brimstone sort of Hell, and Outer Darkness, or Oblivion.
The first level is Celestial, which has three separate levels in itself. Its there where you don't have much of a free will, and are forced to sing praises to their imaginary god, and to become a sex machine for all eternity.
The second is Terrestrial. And thats basically what you see here. It is the earth that we live on now, but more peaceful, and it is styled as a waiting room for their sort of god and his angels to come down and talk to those people. Where they will try and sway people to their sort of thinking, and, in time, bring them to the first level.
The third is Telestial. It is basically an earth styled prison, full of violence and "sin". It is the earth that we now live in, and when their god and angels come down, we will be forced to listen to their long winded speeches and be doubly forced onto their sort of path.
Hell. A sort that is where Satan lives, and tortures you for all eternity. A sort of place where its hot as the sun during the winter months, and hotter still in the summer. A wonderful place where, according to the mormons, angels can still come down and visit. To talk to people, and try to get them to come to heaven with them.
Outer Darkness, or Oblivion. This is the no mans land. A place where your "soul" dies, and you become nothing. You have no consciousness or anything else, for you are now forever removed from the sights of men and their "god". Who, more than likely, has destroyed your "soul" utterly, and cast what was left away from him, then removed your imprint on the lives of others, forever.
This is what I have been taught, and what they still teach to this day.
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#48236 - 02/06/11 05:02 PM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
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TheInsane
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I love to debate and discuss. If I was in a good mood and had nothing else to do I would invite them in to my home over a cup of tea. But then again I have never lived in an area (or a country) where this is common practice. If they came every week I would obviously get tired of it but as things are now it almost never happens and I do enjoy it when it does
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#48289 - 02/07/11 05:57 AM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
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Pheonix666
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@XiaoGui17
LDS, not RLDS, or FLDS. I was raised in an older style, I guess you could say, as I had grown up in the late 80s-90s, and had to put up with so much crap. All this new stuff thats come out, really does baffle me sometimes. Like them saying that they're now considering themselves as "mormons". When, by the by, they would have called it an insult, and would have rathered be called LDS, instead.
I would call this 'hypocritical,' but others would say that they are changing, becoming more 'modern'. Say, and think, what you will of them, but tell me this: Is it not true that you've not experienced them as I did? Have you ever walked into their churches on sunday, and watched even one of their meetings take place? Its a cheap shot, I know, but have you?
One more thing. Yes, my home town is, in fact, El Paso, TX, which is home to the polygamist, and radical, LDS groups. However, I assure you, I've never been apart of them before, nor knew about them, until I had reached New York.
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#49592 - 02/24/11 09:08 PM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
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LucyFur
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Years ago I was a single mom working full time and going to school at night. Weekends with my children were sacred to me. Unfortunately, the Mormons and JW's did not see it that way as they continually harassed the people in our apartment complex every Saturday morning. I was usually dozing on the couch in my underwear and T-shirt with my little ones watching Pee-Wee Herman (yes, THAT long ago!), when they knocked on our door. My kids were taught never to answer the door so they barely noticed when the incessant knocking began. And since I didn't feel like talking to those freaks I refused to get up and answer. One morning the Mormon perverts decided to peer in through our window, presumably because I did not answer their knock. I promptly opened the door without putting anything on before hand, and threatened to sue them and their church and have them in jail for voyeurism and threatened to shoot them if they ever came back. They were so freaked out by this psycho bitch going all medieval on their asses while dressed in nothing but panties and a t-shirt that they nearly pissed themselves. My kids couldn't have been prouder of me!
That gave me an idea. From that point on I always answered the door naked when the Mormons and JW's showed up. My kids found this so disturbingly hilarious that they used to hunt me down to tell me that the JW's were coming just to watch their reaction to the naked crazy lady!
However, I humbly acquiesce to one who came up with a much more entertaining way to deal with them. This is my most favorite missionary 'dis' video ever: Messing with Mormons
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#49596 - 02/24/11 09:48 PM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
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LucyFur
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Better yet, go to your local International market and buy a goat or sheep's head. I did this once.....
Anyway, they usually have a small, round hole punched in the top of their head from the way they are slaughtered, I presume. That hole is usually about the right size for a spell candle. Slap a black spell candle in that sucker, light it and let is burn down a bit to make it look like it was used in a ritual, then set it outside your door. That should take care of your problem.
I bought one and used it as a centerpiece for an initiatory feast a while back and got a lot of good laughs. The next day I boiled all the meat off the bones and sprayed it with polyurethane for future use. You never know when you will need a goat skull.....
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#49927 - 02/26/11 04:18 PM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
[Re: WildFlame]
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Hegesias
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I let the people in and make a cup of tea. A few times I have had to tell them I was too busy, but as they who I had to turn away were so well mannered, I invited them to return later.
Recently two Mormon fellows turned up and I made some tea for everyone, they had to sit on my weight bench because I have no couch but they were ever so well mannered and asked me if I would like to pray with them. Anyway, I am kneeling down in my living room with these Mormons, and I'm reading this prayer out dramatically and I did rather well if I don't say so myself. The young fellows looked pleased and asked what my beliefs were and I told them that I have seen a dark place and that this is all around and inside me.
They then asked if I'd like to receive a place in paradise and I just told them that I was awaiting to return to the dark place. They asked me why and I told them that it's just one of those things that is part of me.
I also explained that I was amoral and that this does not mean I'm some kind of uncultured swine, and that if a man has a kind nature to women and children he needn't have any ideology or morals about it.
I needn't tell them about anything to do with any kind of Satanism, I simply let them understand that I don't want anything at all from anyone, let alone a paradise.
I didn't tell them that what was put forward was quite like a family gathering with some distant relatives you really don't care to know because there certainly won't be any females you can have sex with there, that type of unwanted interaction event that you just call in and say you're can't make it. We are all entitled to our privacy and I appreciate privacy with a feminine creature or to simply be in seclusion.
I didn't tell them this part either, but who really wants to be consigned to an eternal numbing stasis with lobotomised sexless souls everywhere when you just want to deep stick dark and angry females and die spiritually while doing this. I like the feeling of the ego dying while having sex, and when this universe is smothered in blackness upon my death I will not be this man any more but the non existence.
Quite a unsettling thought to face eternity in such a place as paradise though... lovingly lobotomised and castrated, to be eternally smothered at the flaccid bosom of the sexless Jehovah.
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#49959 - 02/26/11 10:26 PM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
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jesusbeater
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Registered: 11/15/07
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A few years back when I was living in a crappy apartment in a rough part of Edinburgh, a couple of elderly women who were Jehovah's witness's called to the door.I answered the door and was extremely polite.Showed an interest in what they were saying.They asked me what my profession was,to which I replied,"an artist".To gain entry to my domain they asked if they may see my work,which they believed to be based on Christianity(as I had mislead them to believe). On entering my abode,they were greeted by a 6" by 4" painting of the Virgin Mary having her womb tore out by blunt hooks,while a fig leaf lay beneath her, smeared in her excrement. Needless to say,they made their excuses and left. As for the painting,I failed to sell it,so brought it home to Ireland.I believed it to be a suitable 60th birthday present for my mother.My father disagreed and burnt it several weeks later.
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#49963 - 02/26/11 10:45 PM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
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Hegesias
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Registered: 02/16/11
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You have more paintings? my music is what you might know as dadaism/ anti-art, similarly aggressive as your painting but not as iconoclastic as the he who burned the effigy of the unclean goddess of shit.
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#52893 - 04/13/11 10:53 PM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
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Tesseract
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Registered: 02/08/11
Posts: 190
Loc: United States
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Several years ago I lived in a small rental house; the back door was the main one I used, and the front door was unused and basically sealed up due to the way I had the house’s contents arranged. On the back door I mounted a sign that read, “Please use front door.” On the front door was a sign that read, “Please use back door.” There were at least a couple of times I sat and watched unwanted visitors go first to one door, then the other, and then gave up in irritation without having knocked on either door.
On the doors of a few of my previous homes I hung signs that read, “Absolutely NO salesmen, solicitors, or religion peddlers allowed.” This discouraged pretty much all unwanted intruders before they knocked.
The house I currently own is in an out of the way neighborhood, so I rarely get uninvited knockers, but when they do arrive, and when I bother to answer the door (which is infrequently), I just cut off salesman and religionists with a curt, “I’m not interested,” and close the door on them.
Life is just too short to waste even a minute on people who are trying to sell me something I don’t want.
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#52925 - 04/14/11 11:12 AM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
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Deamon
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Registered: 03/27/11
Posts: 5
Loc: Australia
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In my opinion I actually enjoy tormenting people (not psychically, just stuffing with their minds and stuff). Everything from pretending to speak different languages, using really big words (sometimes i make them up) or acting really slow (no offense is intended). I don't see why people don't enjoy it, but again i don't know what i would do if it wasn't for stupid people or people who come with a beautiful sales pitch memorized but have no actually knowledge on what they are selling or preaching, like how else would i spend my days, (maybe more productive??)
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#52980 - 04/15/11 08:50 AM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
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Hegesias
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Registered: 02/16/11
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Is it just me or does the word itself "missionary" in association with the notion of women knocking on the door, immediately flash images of spread eagle, innocent Christian women?
I think they peddle more than the word of god, I think they secretly run a covert operandi. I will hint at this next time a suitably attractive one comes round because i think they have some very definite ideas about what they are really doing and what they really want to put into the minds of godless men.
Where the hell does "missionary position" come from anyway? Surely the Church because think about it: "what is your position in the lords Church my dear..." ...... "why, missionary father..." *wink*.
There must be something going on, I always felt there is more than meets the eye about those religious folk because they come round and you can tell they aren't really interested in the bible stuff, it's just to create sexual tension.
Shame they are all desperate old women though... these are desperate times.
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#53422 - 04/24/11 09:10 PM
Re: What do you do when a missionary comes over?
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Hegesias
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Registered: 02/16/11
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In all seriousness, I am not mean at all to them, I am only intolerant to drunks and druggies and anyone who thinks they can be an obstacle or a nuisance, when the religious people come round I am hospitable and make them a cup of tea and I'm just all around friendly and kind, it's not hard to be so, there is no need for religious talk when benevolent communication between people is being appreciated, there is no fear when in genuine communications. As genuine religious people will respect your good will and manners there is no need to convert you is there? such would be inappropriate, rude, to parrot and condescend one who is already showing utmost kindness and hospitality by his very nature to be so by default.
There is no reward for human kindness except the act itself. Who would need an ideology to understand human kindness is obviously conspiring and not to be trusted.
(Who would intentionally disturb another's solitary mindfulness? Certainly not a benevolent people?)
Here is a workable and easy to remember religion for you without embellishment:
Treat others with respect, respect their privacy, treat others as you would have them treat you and help others who are in danger if they are not making the situation purposely. Help others who are helping themselves. If you invade another's privacy with instructions, suggestions or orders you are a cunt and will be treated as a cunt with a cunting reputation as a parasite. I have spoken.
I tell them all I want is blackness when I am done here.
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