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#52465 - 04/08/11 07:50 AM Re: Temple of Set [Re: SinisterMoon]
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Classically, in contemporary modern history, any Satanic group that was worth a damn just said "This is us, take it or leave it." Unlike Xtian churches 'we' don't recruit. 'We' allow you to join. The last thing we want is the 'general public.'

By the way, I have no connection with the ToS other than brief interactions with MAA here. But, I have been around long enough to know how things work. We have a similar approach here at the 600C.
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#52467 - 04/08/11 08:34 AM Re: Temple of Set [Re: Fist]
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I, years ago, once recognized the the Temple as a authentic lhp school which aids in Initiation, theory and practice concerning the Dark Arts with metaphysical and esoterical systems of study.

However, as i matured and grew while treading the path i came across most of their teachings via web, and induced months of dialog with members of the Priezthood and came to the conclusion that it was not what i considered a legitimate school as i once thought.

Fortunately I found flaws, contradictions and adulteries within the schools system that were not in accordance to the path and currents i use that promote and cultivate sovereignty. I strive to meet and exceed my expectations and find treading the lhp alone is most effective when your voice is law...not anothers ranked above you.

The ToS does not offer what i seek. But it may for you.

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#52469 - 04/08/11 10:47 AM Re: Temple of Set [Re: Mister Cage]
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I just started reading Aquino's stuff a few weeks ago and I wouldn't think anyone could possibly understand it all without actually putting it into practice and having dedication?

Obviously it's not going to be for you if you give up so quickly because it's too complicated or you just didn't feel it. Surely you took something important from it by taking the knowledge and turning the key inside yourself to attain understanding.

How can you define "genuine" left path? If it wasn't enough for you then change a few things and use what works for you? I'd surely not abandon ToS Traditions.
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#52470 - 04/08/11 11:26 AM Re: Temple of Set [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
And as a matter of fact the Temple of Set does care about its public image, and attempts over the years to throw "neo/Nazi" mud at us have been an annoyance and distraction from our authentic interests.


May I point out this is a bit humorous since the ToS (or you) flirted with things related to nazism in the past and if it wasn't a problem then, why would it suddenly be a problem now?

Posts here tend to drift and whenever that is interesting enough, there is no reason to bother. If we had to bother how morons might interpret what is said, we better shut down Satanism and take up mime as a hobby.

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#52474 - 04/08/11 11:54 AM Re: Temple of Set [Re: Shea]
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 Originally Posted By: Shea
From the impression that I get, concerning your notions of government, wouldn't anarchism be more in-line with individualistic (and thus perhaps more genuine) expressions of the Will to Power?


I don't think highly of anarchism because anarchism is utopian; implying it can not work in practice. The very reason is human nature, their Will to Power and thus an inevitable hierarchical structure. As such, if there is anarchism, it is merely a transitional stage towards another formation of State. At least when talking about a sufficiently big enough group.

Throw three people together and within a short amount of time, one will be the dominant.

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#52476 - 04/08/11 01:03 PM Re: Temple of Set [Re: SinisterMoon]
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 Originally Posted By: SinisterMoon
 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
... the Temple of Set does care about its public image

May I ask why?

If you allow an [inaccurate, undeserved] derogatory public image about you to be built up by malicious interests, you set the stage for what happened to the Knights Templar.

There are some sensible caveats here: (1) Some criticism may of course be accurate & deserved = fair. That kind of criticism you want to pay attention to & learn from, not resist. (2) There is a corollary to Murphy's Law: "If you carefully and exhaustively design something to please everybody, somebody won't like it."

The Temple of Set has intentionally bit off a great number of big things to chew, and there are plenty of people who don't like all or part of this. This "goes with the territory". However we would prefer to respond to criticisms of our actual interests, not imaginary ones which malicious individuals attempt to project on us.
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#52477 - 04/08/11 01:17 PM Re: Temple of Set [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
And as a matter of fact the Temple of Set does care about its public image, and attempts over the years to throw "neo/Nazi" mud at us have been an annoyance and distraction from our authentic interests.

May I point out this is a bit humorous since the ToS (or you) flirted with things related to nazism in the past and if it wasn't a problem then, why would it suddenly be a problem now?

There is a distinction between being a researcher of Nazism and an advocate or revivalist of its political agenda. We don't mind the former; we do mind the latter [and we always have].

May I say, patiently and slowly, once again: All I am asking is that if you or anyone else wants to focus on Nazi politics, please start a thread about that instead of using "Temple of Set" for it. Would you like a thread entitled "Arson" to change into a lively discussion about yourself, whether or not you've ever set anything other than a marshmallow afire?
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#52478 - 04/08/11 01:17 PM Re: Temple of Set [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Yes mate, but, you want people to make accusations so you can defend viciously with hard truths and wipe all that rumour shit out instead of it piling up behind your back where you can't see them, yes? It's good to know you have adversaries and who they are so you can defend properly, even a small accusation can give you the chance to present otherwise and more.

You get the chance to tell people what you are all about and say fuck you to shit disturbers. You can use others derogatory remarks to highlight your own excellence, I reckon you know this and more but I'm just saying for the board.
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#52479 - 04/08/11 01:28 PM Re: Temple of Set [Re: Hegesias]
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 Originally Posted By: Hegesias
Yes but mate, you want people to make accusations so you can defend viciously with hard truths and wipe all that rumour shit out instead of it piling up behind your back.

You get the chance to tell people what you are all about and say fuck you to shit disturbers like you can't just come out and do for no reason.

If the Temple of Set thrived on being soap-opera controversial, sure. But our sincere interests are individual/initiatory, as you can see if you go into our writings over the decades. We consider stupid/malicious criticisms something with which we have to [occasionally, reluctantly] take time away from our interests to deal, like going to a proctologist for a hemorrhoid problem.
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#52480 - 04/08/11 01:29 PM Re: Temple of Set [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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All I point out is that one can't control where the conversation flows and although nazism was mentioned under the header ToS, it will quickly change into something else.

There is a risk some simple soul might incorrectly assume the ToS has got something to do with nazism and that is bad for the public image but don't you think something like the Wewelsburg Working did slightly more harm there? I can easily see how that might disturb some simple soul reading about it. One can't flirt with a snake and assume to never get bitten.

If needed, I will patiently and slowly point out how strange your argument is.

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#52484 - 04/08/11 02:29 PM Re: Temple of Set [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
the Wewelsburg Working


Yes - interesting point. Why Wewelsburg with all its NS associations?

Naivete or esoterically intentional?

In addition, isn't it interesting how mere association with NS, the heresy of our times, whether such association is implied by others or not, makes most people react in a particular way as if they can't wait to affirm their adherence to the anti-nazi mythos of our times?

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#52485 - 04/08/11 02:54 PM Re: Temple of Set [Re: SinisterMoon]
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 Originally Posted By: SinisterMoon
Why Wewelsburg with all its NS associations?

Cf. Chapter #9 of my Temple of Set, as well as the interviews with me in this anthology. The Kreismuseum Wewelsburg also recently requested information from me for a special exhibition on the castle's metaphysical image & significance.
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#52488 - 04/08/11 03:35 PM Re: Temple of Set [Re: Diavolo]
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Death's head "Totenkopfringe" rings were to be stored in a chest in the Himmler Crypt. This was to symbolize the ongoing membership of the deceased SS. Maybe adventurers just go there to raid the crypts like they do Egyptian crypts? Or to have a visionary communication with the dead Teutons?

Seriously though, Himmler worked diligently to destroy Christianity. He fully understood the Nazarene program and how it was a tool created for the enslavement of humanity with the highest conceivable ideal of anaemia. The Christians have a long history of working to sicken their enemies from the inside. I personally regard occult paganism as genuine Satanism because there are actual roots occult sciences and transcendentalism, the double helix, DNA which runs through many sundry pagan traditions, Solve / Coagula, alchemical proccess. NS is not about ethnic hatred and beating up immigrants. It is about aesthetics, and science. A transcendent holistic design for civilization that the Ancients achieved. There was no fascist ideology or practice throughout the thousand of years when Christianity dominated Europe. This is because Christianity is a religion of peace and equality being the complete antithesis of fascism and pagan gods of war. In sundry pagan societies such as systems set by the Pharaohs of ancient Egypt, we see built up states based on strong military discipline.

Christians pervert the history of the Egyptians just like they have all cultures including Norse and Germanic. Who are these Christians? They are simply contemporary scholars. Christianity is the most subterranean conspiracy on Earth.

I know the ToS is not a Nazi group and so does everyone else and having an interest in hidden goings on in old castles is not anything damaging to ones image, I wouldn't think so.
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#52489 - 04/08/11 03:51 PM Re: Temple of Set [Re: SinisterMoon]
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 Originally Posted By: SinisterMoon
In addition, isn't it interesting how mere association with NS, the heresy of our times, whether such association is implied by others or not, makes most people react in a particular way as if they can't wait to affirm their adherence to the anti-nazi mythos of our times?


It is indeed interesting to see how much power some words contain and that an “incorrect” association, compels most to hastily point out they are not, as if they want to affirm to those they are still like them, or a part of them. Apparently the mere idea of not longer being seen as them by them is frightening.

Those being concerned about the public image erected a tower from glass and live under constant fear someone might throw a stone. One better uses steel.

I do however understand there, under certain conditions, can be severe implications when being considered a TPFKAN (yes I'm trying to be funny should one get it) but to think, to the ToS, this might trigger a similar fate as the Knight's Templars is maybe giving oneself too much credit. If the hammer comes down on all things “satanic” Gitmo will be filled plenty before they turn upon the ToS.

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#52495 - 04/08/11 04:52 PM Re: Temple of Set [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
Cf. Chapter #9 of my Temple of Set


Thank you - very interesting, and I get your drift. About the meaning and intent of the Wewelsburg working - which it seems to me doesn't imply any sympathy at all with NS despite what some people seem to have implied, from whatever motive. This seems to clear the matter up - at least for those who can use reason \:\)

I noticed that you wrote in that ToS document you gave a link to, that -

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the life-worship of the Third Reich was not what the “Mediterranean” mind understands by this term. The “life” is the life of the state, or more precisely the Volk (perhaps best translated as the “soul of the people”).


Which makes me think that - without any sympathy for NS as an ideology - you may have understood what it, and in particular the SS, represented. Which was the collective way (volk and duty before self), as opposed to the individual way that is idealized and trumpeted by *the West*.

Yet you also in the same document wrote that -

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I recounted that Heinrich Himmler had appropriated a Westphalian castle, the Wewelsburg, and had modified it for ritual and Black Magical activities of the SS.


Do you have an evidence for this claim of such activities by the SS? For such a claim - now apparently become part of esoteric folklore - does rather contradict the collective folk way at the heart of NS, particularly as Mr Myatt, who personally knew several SS officers including a General, claimed (in his *Occultism and National Socialism*) that NS and Occultism were incompatible and there was no Occultism in the SS.

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