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#46000 - 01/06/11 04:50 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Mindmaster]
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Theistic Satanist traditions are generally not oral; I think you're misusing the term. An oral tradition means some physical person handed down a series of myths, rituals, and ideas directly from mouth to ear, for generation to generation. In the western world today, there are only a few oral traditions with genuinely ancient roots-- such as Voodoo, Santeria, Benedicaria, and the Mexican cultus of Santissima Muerte-- and they almost always show a great deal of syncretism with Christianity.

Druidism was an oral tradition, as were the ancient greek mystery cults like Mithraism and the Dionysian rites. They died out long ago, and we know nothing about them aside from what commentators wrote.

In contrast, most modern branches of the occult are "synthetic" traditions, meaning they are followed mainly by solitary practitioners who create their own praxis by doing (hopefully) extensive research and drawing from a variety of other different traditions. Some of these, such as Rosicrucianism, Wicca, and Thelema, may be practiced by different generations of people, but the overwhelming majority are still introduced to the tradition through a literary source.

Same goes for the Left-Hand Path. The Church of Satan and the Order of Nine Angles are the oldest unbroken manifestations of Satanism today, but they are not more than a few decades old, and the 99.99% of practitioners learn about them through research.

An actual "pure traditionalist" Satanist would mostly employ reverse-Christian practices like the Black Mass, and the idea of the Faustian blood pact as described in some Norwegian Black Books from the 1700s:

When you want to release the angels from Hell, you should in the morning when you rise say this: ‘I renounce you, God the Father that has made me. I renounce you, the Holy Spirit that has blessed me. I will never worship or serve you after this day, and I completely swear to Lucifer, ruler of the dark abyss. And I swear to his rule, and he shall serve me and do what I ask of him. In exchange I will give my own blood as insurance and a pledge. This insures me to him with body and soul for all eternity, if he does what I ask, order, or command of him. And thereupon I sign with my own hand and with my own blood. This to be certain and true in every possible way.’

Of course, direct references like this are so incredibly scant that to formulate a full-blooded religion out of them are impossible, especially considering such devil-worship was very isolated, and seldom spread to more than a handful of people-- usually superstitious crazy folk who could never pass down their beliefs due to obvious reasons.


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#46005 - 01/06/11 05:25 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
Scantily dressed fat chicks tip-toeing between trees. oral degeneration


LOL! Finally, this thread is worthwhile. Thank you D. \:D
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#46007 - 01/06/11 05:38 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Well I guess anything with scantily dressed fat chicks is worth reading. Or maybe not, I think I was wrong. Oh well. Half naked anybody sparks conversation.
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#46019 - 01/06/11 07:44 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo


No offense but I'm not buying this.

Celtic druids also had a purely oral tradition and look where that ended. Scantily dressed fat chicks tip-toeing between trees. If you're a product from an oral tradition, what are the odds your ideas are not a degeneration from the original product?

D.


Celtic Druids, feh.. There aren't any.. They're a neo-pagan revival... Traditional Satanists and those do have a bunch in common, as one of my buddies is one of those and I do spend a great deal of time chatting. They really see a lot of things similarly to the way I would. Don't really care what you buy.. as I said.. I included my disclaimer. Anyway, yea it's mostly that way due to there basically an inability convey certain experiences via type so yea no point in trying to explain that small bit that doesn't fit in your tiny definition of Satanism. I used to be a LaVeyan at some point, but had several experiences which changed that for me. All philosophies are great until they can't explain something then the work begins to find out what something really means. That's all that really happened in my case, I became accidentally theistic if you will. I'm just not afraid of anything... I can dance with the devils, and sleep well that night. Not everyone can. \:\)

Every idea is "inherited" from someone or something else everything (even spirituality) is a constant state of improvement. Any other condition is unnatural really some ideas shore others up, and others tear others down. In this case, the original product matters very little. There is no dogma to inherit from someone else except a few shared rites between friends all the work is mostly on YOU personally I would say. In that case what things mean to YOU is determined by YOU so in essence YOU are not really "following" anyone. \:\) Teaching someone how to walk doesn't necessarily mean you have decided their destination for them you have just gave them the bit it took for them to start the journey. So it is with us. Much less a faith you must adhere to and much more one that you will find naturally in your own way. Doesn't work like the Christian idea of religion does it? Didn't find any do as I says and not as I do's, commandments, forced rites, or anything else... sorry to let you down er rock the boat.. I don't believe Satan will skull fuck you if you never come around either... I honestly think the prince of darkness has better things to do... Perhaps that is a different view from what you were expecting? \:\)

@ Zebu - Historical frames of reference aren't even accurate. Go back I dunno.. 200-300 years and Witchcraft(not WICCA) and Satanism as the same damn thing. Black Masses were always for show, and blasphemy in general is just sort of a poke at the establishment anyway. 99% of anything to do in Traditional Satanism is not group work. Infact, most don't do ANY group work. Group work is more "celebratory" than "practical" to easily explain it. Considering that the goal of is your spiritual and psychological improvement for the most part I really don't see the point where adding more people in the pile does much since most of the work to be done is within the confines of your own personal universe.

There is a lot of garbage about us written, and really the bulk of it has been written by straight up Christians. You might as well be asking them to teach you about Krishna. You can't read something by a religions oppressor and then assume it has any sort of factual basis. You wanna learn about Buddha read the texts the Buddhists use or talk with one.. there really is no other way... you're not going to ask the Baptist Minister or Pope are you?

Historical references don't really establish your beliefs unless you're just silly enough not to see the value of them yourself or convey them to others. I don't need an unbroken lineage of 2000 years to legitimate myself and certainly I have no new ideas just a new box to collect them in. LaVey Satanism doesn't even HAVE a lineage, either.. ONA ditto.. Lets buck up and admit we're all new kids on the block and what we've been doing has nothing to do with anything someone did 300 years ago. Really.. \:\) ONA isn't so much a Satanic thing to me as a neo-nazi occultism group. I'd never have anything to do with that for a myriad of personal and political reasons.



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#46026 - 01/06/11 10:58 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Mindmaster]
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Go back I dunno.. 200-300 years and Witchcraft(not WICCA) and Satanism as the same damn thing.


Not quite. Witchcraft (was) a hodgepodge of folk practices with various odds and ends of different religions. I would like to point to Scot's "Discoverie" as a good overview of what traditional European witchcraft actually entailed. Spells and rituals are done predominantly in the name of Jesus and the Holy Trinity, although there are occasional shout-outs to faeries, demons, and pagan gods like Hecate.

Satanism was only synonymous with Witchcraft for either actual Satanists (who were, as far as evidence shows, incredibly rare in those days), and the pious orthodox Christians who insisted that all non-Church-sanctioned spiritual practices were acts of sorcery inspired by the Devil.

I am not arguing that your idea of "Traditional Satanism" is not legitimate; I am simply saying that it is not really an "oral tradition"-- it is instead based more on personal spirituality and literary research.

I also didn't mean to imply that the CoS or ONA were ancient traditions; I said they were only a few decades old (which is admittedly ancient compared to the longevity of most occult groups). But in their short histories they are the only groups to have made any enduring codification of Satanism. In addition they have had a number of different people from different walks of life pass through their ranks, and have developed their own micro-cultures and sociological dynamics, however rudimentary these may be. I feel admittedly uneasy about using the term "tradition" with great certainty to describe such young groups, but if anybody in Satanism has earned the right to call themselves such, they have.

(The ONA, as a side note, aren't "neo-nazi", although many of their adherents have been involved in the "far right" circles at some point. They have some wacky metaphysics and many of their goals strike me as unrealistic, but they have a pretty solid initiatory system in my opinion, and if notoriety is any standard, they certainly do their part in playing the Devil.)

Just so we're on the same page, why do you consider your Satanism to be "traditional"? Do you follow a somewhat standardized set of ideas and practices passed down through a group of people? What sort of practices?

On the other hand, if you're simply doing your own thing with some occasional interaction with other people (what most of us seem to do), then I don't quite understand the point of calling it "Traditional".


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#46057 - 01/07/11 11:31 AM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: The Zebu]
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 Originally Posted By: The Zebu

On the other hand, if you're simply doing your own thing with some occasional interaction with other people (what most of us seem to do), then I don't quite understand the point of calling it "Traditional".


Honestly, I don't either I just used a different name to discuss two different things.

Anyway, I guess I consider it traditional because I would perhaps use a method of ritual magic that someone who studies LaVey certainly would not explore. For example you wouldn't have much use for devotions, invocations, prayers, and channeling in what most people consider Satanism. So I use a different name merely for convenience lack of confusion, etc.

Really there is no good way to go with my own beliefs. Is it easier to say: soft polytheistic-henotheistic-apotheosis Satanist? Sometimes people who call themselves Demonolaters are doing close to what I am doing, or even exactly similar things at times. But, I think that is even a stretch since it seems like straight up Satanism to me with a new name to sell books. \:\) I don't particularly see many of the Demonolatry camp doing much different than what I do.. but some of them work with completely non-Satan pantheons.. etc. \:\)


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#47132 - 01/21/11 10:30 AM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Mindmaster]
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The thing is, you can't really separate the label 'Traditional Satanist' from the ONA, because that was the first 'group' that coined the term as some kind of rallying call.

They (well, really he initially) did so on the basis that there was allegedly a long lineage of 'Dark Pagan' rites and beliefs in Shropshire, England that were passed down mouth to ear for generations, the whole time being practiced in secret. According to the narrative, they were finally codified using more easily recognizable names for the acausal entities that are central to the doctrine in works like the Black Book of Satan etc. Satan is just a causal name for an acausal entity that has been known by countless others. The fact that there is not a shred of evidence of any such surviving traditional, pre-christian Dark Pagan belief system is neither here nor there. Myatt is anything if not a man who understands the value of a great mythos for vindicating a belief set. As Satan was effectively an entity created by the Christians in the middle ages, it seems unlikely that there was any long standing, traditional worship of Satan prior to the atheistic CoS's inspired/spawned spiritual spin offs, or the ONA.

To Zebu's point it's refreshing to read a post that makes that distinction because so often the ONA are turned into this lumbering group of extremists in people’s minds. The ONA isn't in fact national socialist, or really into extremist Islam (as 'Anton Long' himself said in a recent blog post on his site, it's all about inciting people to blow up other people for the sake of being genuinely numinous and evil), but they are heretical. By living an active National Socialist lifestyle, or extremist Islamic lifestyle, for the sake of 1) experiencing it and 2) supporting a modern heresy, you are going to be forced into real and direct physical and 'spiritual' conflict with the current aeon, and thus erode it. It's for this reason that criminality is actively encouraged in the early initiatory stages of that 'system' also. It’s an active philosophy that is probably spoken about far more than it is in fact practiced, but in my mind, they’re the only people that use the banner ‘Traditional Satanism’ in any mythologically justified way. Anyone else, as has been pointed out is just gathering together threads of what may have once been oral traditions through research and compiling them into their own coherent belief set. (Well I say anyone else, it’s pretty likely that’s all the ONA did, and I find it no easier to justify than Gardner’s bogus lineage for Wicca).

What I’m saying is that even those that label themselves at ‘Traditional Satanists’ rarely practice anything that smacks of 'traditional' Satanism in part because such a lineage is hard to put a finger on. In the case of the ONA for example, it seems more than likely that such a lineage of 'Dark Pagan' female cult leaders that practiced in secret in the rural areas of England before it was codified and embodied is nothing but a hook for one man's visionary, albeit misguided doctrine.

I wouldn't call using ceremonial magic the hallmark of a traditional Satanist (even if I accept their existence) either however. As a good friend of mine (also a Levayan once said) "I believe in Satan as a real entity, absolutely, when I'm in the ritual chamber and I need to raise that kind of energy, the second I walk out of the ritual chamber however I know that Satan is a representation only, but it's hard to perform a ritual with that view in mind.” In essence, ritual is an important part of a lot of Levayan lives, and their rituals would be indistinguishable in a lot of ways (even down to their mental state and beliefs at the time of performing the ritual) from a ‘Traditional Satanist’. They also have the longest traceable lineage, suggesting they’re the traditional ones.

I’m not of course ruling out the possibility that there is a line of secret traditional Dark Pagan rites that have been passed down for generations, I’m merely pointing out that such a claim is unverifiable in any way. By definition, the person making the claim that knowledge had been whispered in his ear orally, would be taking the word of the person passing that knowledge onto them (on the assumption that their original claim is valid). As it would be entirely oral, there would be no written record of it that the receiver could verify, so it would be an action of enormous faith in the person doing the telling to buy that, and provides no evidence that such a lineage existed prior to the person doing the telling....well...doing the telling.


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#47140 - 01/21/11 02:40 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: MindFux]
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If there was a method of selling your soul to satan that I wouldnt consider some sort of reverse christianity in and of itself. It would just be an extension of self affirmation using a psychodrama framework of diabolism to serve as an emphatic to the particular goal or purpose one had in mind. Wheather one does this or not is purely arbitrary in terms of reason and would be more down to aesthetic predialection of what constitutes valid practice of one's own Satanism.
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#47432 - 01/27/11 12:30 PM Re: The Right Method of Selling Your Soul To Satan [Re: thedeadidea]
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 Originally Posted By: Mindmaster
Meh, not sure what this soul selling bit is really and I am a Traditional Satanist.

as you later explain, this isn't anything longstanding, just character-descriptive. the term 'traditional' is propped up by new religious for the purpose of legitimizing in the face of shifting faces of singularly-terms religious use, like 'Christianity', some of whose institutions have been around a while.

the soul-selling bit is a chapter out of 'literary anti-occultism', purported by Christians promoting their punitive ideas in thematic large-scale swathes, what is called 'the Faustian literary tradition'. Faust or Faustus is a character (compare Don Juan) made use of to scare people into Christianity in a similar manner to how the terms 'witch' and 'satanist' were used to condemn folks into the faith. in the same way that those struggling against this fear-mongering have picked up the bludgeon and turned it around on the oppressors in regards language (now there are 'religious witches' and 'religious satanists' and 'the Black Mass' is legitimated as a deconditioning device, rather than a mere anti-Christian travesty effecting the anti-God's desires), there are those who have taken it upon ourselves to legitimate the process of pact-making and soul-sale, albeit with modern concepts about what is taking place and in some cases a variety of notions as to what constitutes a soul.

 Originally Posted By: Mindmaster
...it's nothing us theistic types do.

given the youth of Satanity, the emphasis on individualism, the tendency to pick up pieces of what Christianity condemns and turn them toward the user purpose as compared to the slanders about the target of the propaganda, you can expect that actual religious Satanists will not be generalized over so simplistically.

 Originally Posted By: Mindmaster
No one is forced to do anything they don't will to do anyway.

irrelevant as related to soul-selling. not only is it usually described as pursued on one's own, but its variation even amongst Christians (as non-Christians sought to preserve their non-Christian deities and place them into a Christian context, thereafter having some kind of relationship with them, for example) even bears inconsistent characteristics as regards sale or what is being sold. alliance with spirits (e.g. augoeides) or gods is ancient. competition amongst cults flavours the descriptions of these through time.

 Originally Posted By: The Zebu
...direct references like this {excellent one! Black Books are a very good resource for Satanists by my evaluation!} are so incredibly scant that to formulate a full-blooded religion out of them are impossible, especially considering such devil-worship was very isolated, and seldom spread to more than a handful of people-- usually superstitious crazy folk who could never pass down their beliefs due to obvious reasons.

beautifully evaluated and argued. the standards which i can find are sociologically sound, in an identification of religious Satanism through time, incorporate notions of religion that feature persistent liturgy or doctrine sustaining itself over the course of at least decades and an exterior apparel striking by label with an approximation to 'Satanist'. I've been able to locate none prior to the 1960s Church of Satan, though these de factos do exist in pockets (others mention Hellfire clubs).

 Originally Posted By: Mindmaster
...All philosophies are great until they can't explain something then the work begins to find out what something really means.

anyone familiar with philosophical rigour will understand the narrow objectionable shield propped up by LaVey as a social controversy and philosophical amusement. something large enough to use as a raft in the sea of knowledge typically takes a lot more depth thought and addresses many more arenas of human endeavour. the philosophic greats treat the whole to an evaluation and aren't merely creating reactionary pearls against a contextual shell. typically a shield of this type can be played out and plugged in so as to infer an explanation for just about anything you like, and i know of no exception in the case of LaVeyan ideas. if you didn't like how LaVey and followers dealt with gods, then you may accept as axiomatic that deities (/spirits/demons) are something more than may fit into conscousness handily. "can't explain" doesn't really address your willingness to abrogate the methodologies of the rational by the introduction of flimsy revealed truths.

 Originally Posted By: Mindmaster
...There is a lot of garbage about us written, and really the bulk of it has been written by straight up Christians. You might as well be asking them to teach you about Krishna. You can't read something by a religions oppressor and then assume it has any sort of factual basis. You wanna learn about Buddha read the texts the Buddhists use or talk with one.

the trouble with this evaluation is that it plays fast and loose with historical origins and the facts. when you say 'go back 200-300 years and Witchcraft and Satanism were the same damn thing' this only applies to their intersection as heretics. these terms mutated through time in usage, and 'witch' emerged out of the cautionary tales of monsters who'd steal your body to be applied to heretics, then antagonistic spellcasters, to at best wizened village herbalists before settling down into a nature-loving Bewitched skyclad Goddess-worshipper. Satanist simply does not have this type of history and especially amongst those who study religions (like anthropologists) from whom modern religious like to draw their material in pursuit of 'revivals of religions' (druidry or Kemetia).

the 'us' involved didn't actually exist until a few decades ago. much of what was written about all of these was either fabrication in the face of nothing existing at all or some wiped out people we never knew and we're not likely to know about them any time soon. those who discover some extant survival in family traditions are, to my understanding, all finger-painting over the past and cooking up tall tales to promote their preferred cult. this is nothing new mind you. the basis of Buddhism and the crucible of Christianity are exactly these kinds of wacky oral tales of religious superheros, now many centuries later believed as literal history. the influence of these universalist exporting cults is so vast that many people in secular society (even many Satanists and atheists) are convinced of the euhemerist "likelihood" that the 'figures behind the legends' existed. don't kid yourself. scholarship of reliability undermines them completely.

 Originally Posted By: Mindmaster
...you wouldn't have much use for devotions, invocations, prayers, and channeling ....

many religious do. that Satanity is expanding so as to incorporate these is not unexpected. religious witchcraft did also for purposes of experiential completeness (there are real reasons people do these things even if they don't always understand properly what their gods and devils are), and we can expect that the gamut will be found in Satanism, Demonolatry, and whatever succeeds these. whether a character of rational scrutiny can be retained and applied to these while they are engaged is the interesting question. does it take a level of gullibility or ignorance to embrace these kinds of things, or, with Chaos mages, can we argue that their use while omitting dictatorial agents from the clouds issuing proclamations through earthly institutions is worth preserving?

 Originally Posted By: Mindfux
By living an active National Socialist lifestyle, or extremist Islamic lifestyle, for the sake of 1) experiencing it and 2) supporting a modern heresy, you are going to be forced into real and direct physical and 'spiritual' conflict with the current aeon, and thus erode it.

the same is true for any other religion or sociopolitical cultus which has fallen into disfavour. in the context of their propagation (say, in a Muslim country in the case of the former) one might become conditioned by immersion. shifting then to an antagonistic environ could serve a similar purpose.

being socially averse or objectionable has different valences. those which stand behind actual, recent sociopolitical regimes that had fascist, targetting, and even megalomaniacal ideological platforms and have fallen into denunciatory disfavour are likely going to draw the most intense response. how far is it valuable to proceed in that direction? for example, one might walk into the wake of Aum Shinrikyo (now 'Aleph') after Shoko Asahara's imprisonment and advocate for armageddon within the bowels of the US. one might begin an advocation around the World Trade Center that a worship of the hijackers and Osama bin Laden is the key to the Great New Coming World. at some point one must critically evaluate not only the process engaged but also the likelihood that others will be drawn to it as part of Herd-mechanism, and how compatible it is with regard to one's actual Satanism long-term. conditioning can be engaged within a social context or internally as part of a routinized mentation one adopts for purpose.

if one is clear in delineating the purpose of such advocations in the context of personal development (as Anton Long was, but some after him including Myatt and others are not always) there is room to understand its transformative value and with many different results. I did something on a very minor scale by venturing into the midst of conversion-oriented cults with a pen and paper (initially as part of university studies) explaining that i wanted to learn about them. they set about challenging me with their best conscriptive argumentation and fallacies (about which i had fully prepared myself intellectually prior to encountering them), using emotional appeals and isolating tactics. the will necessary to retain my own composure and integrity while pleasantly encountering them and placing before them the alternatives to their doctrines and dogma was bolstering to me long term, so i can appreciate the expression of Long in this regard.

your observation that this is "spoken about far more than it is in fact practiced" is also my own, and in combination with the unpopular line of expression that the Order of Nine Angles in some of its guises has pertaining to human sacrifice (a primary vector of condemnation from Christianity about its 'Satanism' bogey), i doubt that many would be drawn to it. identifying its actual existence has been attempted by a handful of observers, but i don't notice that they describe more than a single individual or a small group arrayed for promotional purposes, and without explication of their practical activities. for this reason it is reasonable to argue it doesn't qualify as religious Satanism at all, whereas the Church of Satan is as you seem to be saying also a far more obvious contender (of religion generally but also of 'tradition') regardless of its treatment of conventional (esp. Christian) religious standards.

 Originally Posted By: thedeadidea
If there was a method of selling your soul to satan that I wouldnt consider some sort of reverse christianity in and of itself. It would just be an extension of self affirmation using a psychodrama framework of diabolism to serve as an emphatic to the particular goal or purpose one had in mind.

I've attempted to construct the platform for this in the context of Satanism. I prepared myself by demonology (studying the literature, as i could find it, pertaining to demons so called) and what i could ascertain of claimsmaking surrounding these pacts. my first action was to re-acquire and redefine the Faustian pact so as to 1) serve my own particular goals and 2) establish it as an ongoing and negotiated contractual option engaging disparate natural phenomena in the guise of a corporate (fictional) entity, rather than a finalized obligation to an acknowledged supernatural agent. I then set about engaging numerous post-Christians who were interested in pursuing this literary Christian diabolism toward ends of their specificity, interviewing them, trying to find out what they sought and how, and exploring how this compared with what i had already researched in the way of notions about these deals with the Devil (it is an humungous cultural corpus). this extended to Muslim and 'Dark Pagan' interests, the latter whom i was to compare against Setians in the ToS.

along the way, i constructed a web page detailing my best approximations of what at least a Satanic pact would contain, based on my own experience and research ( the current version of which is highly developed with samples of pacts). as my interviews proceeded and my exploration of the Faustian corpus extended to more and more varied examples, i added pieces relevant to particular interests which were not my own therein. this served as a lightning rod for those who wanted to learn how to sell their soul for riches, fame, sex, conquest, whathaveyou, and they contacted me in email for my interviews. by and large most of them were illiterate and ignorant. they often sought to have me do their magic for them, even when i pointed them to relevant source materials pertaining to the most expedient methods relating to summoning or pact-making. had i wanted to (and some of my friends counselled me to consider it), i could have employed my skills to arrange these kinds of pacts (ones i would consider insane) for others for a fee, and partly support myself therewith. I chose not to.

instead, i opted to explore what could be done within the Satanist milieu online, in the wake of my Beloved and guru providing to me an amusing accessory to my black robes and 'Baphomet' Amulet: a turban. I witnessed construction of the Satanic International Network and found some of its denizens including yourself to be of amiable character. I experimented therein with the technology of communication (primarily audio and visual) and for the first time extended my presence to a venue of interest where it was met with regard and praise (comparably, my exploration of tinychat.com was quite challenging, numerous individuals calling me 'Osama' and asking me if i was going to bomb them!). in the wake of antics typically moderated out of internet sandboxes i determined to revise my engagement of it in adverse style and in association with an escalation of YouTube involvement (something a number of administrators within that context had found attention within). I styled myself as 'Troll Towelhead' and my Beloved further gifted me with the delegated title of Grand Mufti of Satanism. I started a channel separate from my previous miniscule and made a small start upon which i will soon be building.

my point in mentioning this is that the Satanic Pact or Deal with the Devil is in many ways directly related to the impetus ascribed to affiliation with controversial sociopolitics described by Long and later less persuasively to my eyes by Myatt and others. the immediate response i received within this Satanist context was condemnation and criticism. I had properly identified the villified cybernetic slam-placard, what Mindfux might call 'the aeonic evil', and my actions were solely intended to legitimate it. when provided an avenue for it by the very indulgent administrators therein, i made as complete an explication of the principles and motivations behind my actions as i could bring to bear. generally thereafter this was met with admirable understanding therein.

what is pertinent to this thread after this was my escalation of this notion associated with Long and the ONA by my issuing of a fatwa (religious opinion) on the proper method of selling one's soul to Satan. this i put into a video format, properly concealed for my purposes and providing precisely this "extension of self-affirmation using a psychodrama framework of diabolism to serve as an emphatic to {a} particular goal or purpose one had in mind" as you've described. like what was done to the Black Mass by LaVey, i sought, within a peculiar and adversarial alembic, to do to the Satanic Pact. I have since issued several written fatwas, and am about to move to coverage of another dimension of Satanic enterprise by religious Satanists (the proper use of the scientific method).

by these activities i hope not only to continue to serve Satanists of many stripes but in the doing also to serve Satan as i know Hir: wild nature within and without us.
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#62879 - 12/23/11 11:09 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Satan's Mistress]
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Soul is such a vague word. So in vague words you could say that I sold my soul to Satan. I didn't trade it for anything, but knowledge was given to me. Why don't you expand your mind to this world and what's on the other side, and you might learn your awnser.
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#63261 - 01/02/12 06:01 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Morgan]
taylor Offline
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i would love to sign up with the Satan i have read all what u have wrote,how may i get started with?? looking forward to hear from you......................
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#63262 - 01/02/12 06:13 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: taylor]
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So taylor, you post here and send me a pm stating the same thing.

If you are that desperate do as I said in that earlier post, and send the $666.66 to my paypal account as previously stated.

Otherwise, stop spamming the board and others with pm's. Continue doing that and you will be banned.

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#63263 - 01/02/12 10:05 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Morgan]
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Geez man....if Satan actually existed as an anthropomorphic being, and was interested in purchasing 'souls'....I would remind him of the phrase "buyer beware"....I would hate to see him get duped or stuck with some substandard shit.
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#63300 - 01/04/12 08:37 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: RAIDER]
Cassandra Offline
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Well, for the original question of this thread: if you want to do it the way Marilyn Manson apparently did it--he had sex with an ugly girl...
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#63386 - 01/06/12 01:29 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: taylor]
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 Originally Posted By: taylor
i would love to sign up with the Satan i have read all what u have wrote,how may i get started with?? looking forward to hear from you......................


Lolz! I am glad SIN is not the only network that gets this type of moron . Next he will be asking you to wire transfer money to Nigeria .
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