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#38376 - 05/08/10 06:21 AM The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan???
Lexx Offline
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hey everyone, i just wanted to know the right method of doing it...have checked out various websites and they just have different ideas
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#38378 - 05/08/10 09:52 AM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Lexx]
Room 101 Offline
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If Satans not interested, I have a few quid. Lets call it a tenner shall we?
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#38382 - 05/08/10 12:09 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Room 101]
Diavolo Offline
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Apparently the guy already sold his brain to Satan, so it shouldn't be too hard to add his soul to the deal.

D.

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#38384 - 05/08/10 02:12 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Diavolo]
the earthly duck Offline
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hey Diavolo how ya been man?, anyways let me get right to the point man, I have been practicing the satanic dhikr for quite some time, and i always feel more relaxed after wards while at the same time feeling more energy pulsating through my body.

i wanted to know why every time i use the dhikr as a meditative pathworking those same results happen, I also wanted to know how i would be able to tell whether its working for me or not, if so what is it working to achieve, am i supposed to meditate on a specific goal while using the dhikr or just meditate on the dhikr itself?

i dont know these are the thoughts going through my head right now, am i crazy or paranoid?

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#38385 - 05/08/10 02:48 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: the earthly duck]
Diavolo Offline
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Hey duck.

I'm fine, thank you. I wish I could help you with your questions about the satanic dhirk but it's not really my thing. I'm an old dog living in another reality so you better try to seek others which might help you out on this one.

The only thing I can tell you is that reality is flexible so crazy or paranoid only making sense in comparison to others. In our own realities everything makes sense.

D.

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#38386 - 05/08/10 02:53 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: the earthly duck]
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May I add "putz" to the ballot?

No one can answer the questions of personal experience for you. Other people do not have access to your first-person ontology. Be skeptical, and use better grammar in the future.


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#38390 - 05/08/10 03:17 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Lexx]
6Satan6Archist6 Offline
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What makes you think Satan even wants your soul? Of all the souls out there what makes yours so special? And besides, just by registering with this site you have already forfeited your soul to Satan. Why would it pay for something it already has coming for free? Kids these days.
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#38392 - 05/08/10 05:10 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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First you must shun all your friends and family and live as an outcast. Wear all black to be as dark as the dark lord. Then you must cut yourself with razors to show the dark lord you are strong. You must mail $200 cash to Satan himself (I'll pm you the address) to show your allegiance to the evil one is more important than worldly pleasures. Your final right of passage : you must then stick your head in a toilet after excretion and flush to show you're willing to humiliate yourself for the prince of darkness!

Edited by TV is God (05/08/10 05:11 PM)

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#38433 - 05/10/10 07:51 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: TV is God]
Mindmaster Offline
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Man, amateurs.... I swear... :P Since you asked so nicely..

First you must obtain a parchment, a quill, and a sharp knife used for no other purpose. Draw blood from thine left hand and and write upon parchment:

"My lord and master Lucifer, I acknowledge you as my god and prince, and promise to serve and obey you while I live. And I renounce the other God and Jesus Christ, the saints, the church of Rome and all of its sacraments, and all prayers that the faithful may offer me; and I promise to do as much evil as I can and to draw others to evil; I renounce chrism, baptism, and all the merits of Jesus Christ, and his saints; and if I fail to serve and adore you, paying you homage three times a day, I give you my life as your own. Made this year and day, Signed. YOUR NAME HERE"

Then its very important to go to an isolated place, and draw a triangle on the ground, with a hematite. Write beneath it the name of Jesus, making sure only to move to the left and using only your left hand. Demand that Lucifer appear in the triangle by the names of Asmodeus and Astaroth demons in his charge. He will appear reluctantly, and which point you must explain your desires after which you must throw the pact to Lucifer if he accepts the offer then he shall sign it and leave it with you. If he does not accept then curse him repeatedly until he signs the parchment.

Thus you have made a pact with the Devil...

(The pact was an actual pact written by Urbain Grandier in 1634, and the ritual process was published in the Grand Grimoire.)



Edited by Mindmaster (05/10/10 07:53 PM)

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#38434 - 05/10/10 09:46 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Lexx]
MatthewJ1
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This post may be a waste of time. But here goes anyway:

I think you should start by thinking about and reflecting upon Satan.

This does not mean to suggest that you should regard Satan as a literal entity possessing consciousness and intelligence: as some sort of deity.

Rather it is recommended that you regard Satan as a figure or character who appears in a specific type of literature; as a certain type of symbol or sign designating certain types of meaning.

Who is this literary character and what is “his” purpose or role within the stories within which “he” appears?

What is the history of this literary character? How does “his” character and “his” function or role in literature change over time?

Who benefits each time Satan appears in a story? Who has been putting words in Satan’s mouth and compelling “him” to dance to their tune? What benefit has been derived?

When someone states that they are seeking the right method of selling their soul to Satan, than they are regarding Satan as a literal entity possessing consciousness and intelligence and are situating “him” within a particular world view or cosmological paradigm, which they themselves more or less consciously believe in. That world view or paradigm tends to be the Judeo-Christian one, which makes the so called “Satanist” a Christian heretic or a devil worshipper within that particular paradigm. This has nothing to do with real Satanism.

In my opinion this figure or character of Satan must be reclaimed again and again by individuals, for whom “he” is truly intended, and than invested with personal meaning, by the real Satanist, within the context of the work of Anton LaVey.

Satan demands study, not worship. This is not a superficial statement. It is in fact one of the most important things Dr. LaVey ever said in my view. The deep understanding of this principle is one of the keys.

You should carefully read The Satanic Bible by Anton LaVey, which is available in the media room on this site.

I also recommend the following as well:

Go to the T/P section of the CoS website and get copies of the Nine Satanic Statements; the Eleven Rules of the Earth; the Nine Satanic Sins; and Pentagonal Revisionism. Place these documents side by side on a desk or table. Carefully study these key resources.

Study these principles within a horizontal mental grid. How does each principle relate to all the others? How do they balance and complement and limit each other? LaVey’s philosophy is well conceived and carefully balanced and presents a picture of a certain type of human being.

Study these principles within a vertical mentality. How deep is the meaning of each of these principles? How are these principles philosophically grounded and what do they say about the nature of reality, human beings, human society and human relations etc. etc.?

This is the philosophy of greatness and power. Please do not cheapen it with these sorts of questions.

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#38436 - 05/10/10 11:00 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Lexx]
Morgan Offline
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If you are lazy, and need help in order to properly give up your soul to Satan, I can help you for a small fee.

You would need to place $666.66 into my paypal account. Include your full name, address, place and time of birth. As well as e-mailing me a picture of yourself, with a note stating that you are willing giving up your soul and essence to Satan for all eternity.

Upon completion of everything, you would get a special envelope in the mail.

Don't delay, hurry, limited time offer......


Morgan

Pulling Souls out of idiots for Satan since 1869

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#38437 - 05/10/10 11:10 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Morgan]
Jake999 Offline
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My nayme iz Jordee Syphus an I let Morgin sale mi sole to Satin. I am happy, but I Satan dint understand. I dint want a twelve inch PIANIST. But he do fit in my lunch box.
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#38456 - 05/12/10 03:34 AM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Jake999]
Doomsage680 Offline
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I like Morgan's method, it's a lot simpler than the Joy of Satan inspired version I did a while back, using real blood (pin pricks, no knives) and some candles. So much fun though. Kids...lots of imagination.

Theistic Satanism was fun while I was still able to trick myself into thinking stuff was there. Boy, it gets spooky when you look for it. Technically I only dedicated my soul, not sold it, there's a difference lol.

Drawing Pentagrams is fun but it doesn't mean the Devil wants your soul. It's funny how everyone wants to give their soul and get something in return, as if their soul had some inherent value just waiting to be exchanged. I feel bad for all the JoS and Brotherhood of Satan people who still follow this. Not that bad, just bad enough to laugh.

OMG it's 3:33 as I'm posting this!!!
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#38522 - 05/13/10 06:29 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Doomsage680]
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Too bad you missed the "submit" button by a few seconds, buddy. SHUGAL-CHORONZON IS NOT AMUSED.

Why would His Satanic Majesty want your immortal spiritual essence? In truth, Satan gerbils souls. He has this weird sexual fetish with shoving souls up his ass and feeling them squirm around inside his colon.

This is a secret doctrine only revealed to special members who have advanced past the Operating Thetan II degree.
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#41905 - 08/14/10 12:00 AM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: The Zebu]
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He does not need your soul.He has his own,just as you have yours.
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#41924 - 08/14/10 08:21 AM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Satan's Mistress]
XiaoGui17 Offline
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Well, if you were going to sell a car or a house, you'd wanna get it fixed up and as shiny as possible to get the best offer you could for it, right? So how about you worry about improving yourself a bit first and sell your soul once you've increased its market value a bit.
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#41928 - 08/14/10 10:01 AM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: XiaoGui17]
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First you must find your soul. No one has been able to yet ;\)
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#41942 - 08/14/10 03:18 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Lexx]
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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A recession is a lousy time to sell anything, including souls. For top dollar I'd recommend eBay.
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#43156 - 09/22/10 06:01 AM Re: The Right Method of Selling Your Soul To Satan [Re: Lexx]
nocTifer Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Lexx
... the right method of {selling your soul to Satan}..

before doing it, i made a study of it, which it seems to me you are doing: asking your best sources available what their recommendations would be, reading up on history or legend, and then most importantly, discovering what or who Satan is to you, and what your purpose or advantage might be in this sale. I've been interviewing numerous individuals in email and occasionally by phone or in person as to what they were doing and why. some of them came to me with the same question, and i had to help them think about it coherently (many of them were ignorant, some good number illiterate). out of this interaction came this decision-tree page assisting the would-be pact-maker. notice that it is paradigm-specific and the page itself is plainly written from a Satanic perspective.

despite the impression some might convey of the simplicity of arriving at the proper method, the diversity of those attempting the Task and the possible benefits conceived as relating to its achievement make it an extremely tricky recommendation. it's highly personalized, and as you can tell, a goodly number of those associated to the Devil and to Satanisms are wedded to views making such a consideration ludicrous, daffy, or strongly ill-advised.

rather than enter into a dialogue with you, which is what i would ordinarily do with someone of similar inquiry, i will make several immediate suppositions based on the context of our discussion and the manner in which you asked the question. granted that you are a Satanist, we may conclude that you are rationally self-interested, and are convinced you have the option of selling your impartable essence (presumably for something of comparable value).

thus the first order of business would be to make contact with Satan. it would be fairly meaningless to conclude a sale to someone with whom you never had any interactions, or to a fictional character, so establishing Hir reality and eliciting Hir interests (if any) in acquiring (at least by contract) your soul is imperative. this is usually achieved through occult means. you will need to acquire the skill of summoning, effect the proper gestures, and establish the necessary geas so as to make enticing or pleasing the manifestation of the Underworld Lord.

negotiating thereafter an asking price in the exchange, it would be wise for you to have already concluded as to your soul's value, both to you and to the Demon. ascertaining this will require that, previous to any summoning, you become sufficiently familiar with mysticism and the metaphysics of the cosmos so as to achieve insight into your very centrality, and to secure the knowledge as to why Satan wants souls and what SHe is willing to trade for them.

many of the traditional implements of the compact are mentioned in this thread. the most formal will include your blood at least for the signature, and if you are wise you will also, by trance or by the employment of a skilled assistant, acquire the signature or Mark of the Devil. you would probably benefit were the assistant as adept as you in the Black Arts and as familiar with demonology.

rational self-interest precludes the actual transaction consigning an eternal essentiality to the ownership or dominion of a nefarious agent. for this reason, the most expert lend or rent themselves or their souls to those who desire them for a period of finite duration, at the end of which the compact may be renewed or curtailed by either party.

in a generic and Satanic sense, this is the Right Way to Sell Your Soul to Satan.


Edited by nocTifer (09/22/10 06:02 AM)
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#43208 - 09/26/10 03:11 AM Re: The Right Method of Selling Your Soul To Satan [Re: nocTifer]
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NOT EVEN GONNA REPLY TO THIS ONE!!!

Then don't. Please understand that no one-liners will be tolerated. Do this again and you will be banned. I ask that you respect the decision to disdain such posts, and not post similar stuff again.


Edited by SkaffenAmtiskaw (09/26/10 05:53 AM)
Edit Reason: Warning.
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#43210 - 09/26/10 05:32 AM Re: The Right Method of Selling Your Soul To Satan [Re: manofsteel]
Dimitri Offline
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One-liners are frowned upon here manofsteel.
What did you gain with saying you aren't going to reply to his response?

And also:
I'M TOTALLY SERIOUS WHEN WRITING AS SUCH.
Seriously, fuck-off if you can't supress the feeling of posting crap.

NocTifer will probably get his fair deal of posting his crap somewhere in the near future when it becomes more then annoying. Don't ascend to his level unless you are setting stage for "who is the most stupid".


Edited by Dimitri (09/26/10 05:34 AM)
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#43426 - 10/04/10 12:06 AM Re: The Right Method of Selling Your Soul To Satan [Re: Dimitri]
nocTifer Offline
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thank you very much, Dimitri. for those who have an interest extending beyond the general and into a specific sample, rather than repeat the entirety of the description, i'll just post this link to a comparable thread elsewhere that this is disclosed in graphic and textual elaboration.
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#43428 - 10/04/10 02:12 AM Re: The Right Method of Selling Your Soul To Satan [Re: nocTifer]
MatthewJ1
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To NocT,

You have provided a link here to the Log - in page of the Modern Church of Satan. I am assuming that you were trying to provide a link to the Philosophy section at MCOS?

If there is an appropriate post there at MCOS which you have made, then maybe you could copy and paste it into the thread here?

Also I am not sure if it is good form to provide links to other Satanic organisations?

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#43432 - 10/04/10 04:14 AM Re: The Right Method of Selling Your Soul To Satan [Re: ]
daevid777 Offline
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I just "pawned" my soul to Morgan...

I did it for a low cost, 'cause I did want it back eventually. She's pretty good about those types of things... But I did it for $6.66... enough to get a quart of cheap vodka, or a pack of smokes...

I'm happier for it. And I might be able to get my soul back next Friday... hopefully. Otherwise, my dog might have to die.


Edited by daevid777 (10/04/10 04:14 AM)
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#43440 - 10/04/10 03:36 PM Re: The Right Method of Selling Your Soul To Satan [Re: daevid777]
Lamar Offline
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Wow. Upon checking the link provided by nocTifer and the gospel of satan signiture, it donned on me that wow I had no idea that there were so many "Satanic" organizations. Really?
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#43441 - 10/04/10 04:21 PM Re: The Right Method of Selling Your Soul To Satan [Re: Lamar]
Jake999 Offline
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"ORGANIZATIONS" is a relative term, and I would always urge caveat emptor.

Many "Satanic Organizations" on the web are web pages, and nothing more. The leadership consists of one or two people who sit in their rooms and bang away at the keyboard with some rudimentary knowledge of Satanism, gleaned from one or two books and the "reading lists" that they snatch from each other, with the same old crap.

Remember... graphics and a domain name do not an organization make.
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#43447 - 10/04/10 10:12 PM Re: The Right Method of Selling Your Soul To Satan [Re: Jake999]
Incendium Offline
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To Lexx:

Sigh. I recommend psychiatry, my friend. You and the crazy "Thelemite", MorningStar93, can become padded cellmates.

Or if this question is coming from naivety rather than insanity, I recommend becoming pubescent before returning to this forum.

All in all though, dude, good luck on your journey into adolescence or psychopathy, whichever it is.


Edited by Incendium (10/04/10 10:47 PM)
Edit Reason: Addressing my response.
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#43448 - 10/04/10 10:27 PM Re: The Right Method of Selling Your Soul To Satan [Re: Incendium]
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 Originally Posted By: Incendium
Sigh. I recommend psychiatry, my friend. You and the crazy "Thelemite", MorningStar93, can become padded cellmates.

Or if this question is coming from naivety rather than insanity, I recommend becoming pubescent before returning to this forum.

All in all though, dude, good luck on your journey into adolescence or psychopathy, whichever it is.


I don't know who you're trying to answer... but I have nothing to do with you. Address your responses to the person you are referring to, The forums aren't that hard.
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#43449 - 10/04/10 10:45 PM Re: The Right Method of Selling Your Soul To Satan [Re: Jake999]
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Apologies Jake. The response was for the starter of this thread, the one wishing to sell his soul to the devil. The error has been rectified.
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#43723 - 10/20/10 06:01 PM Re: The Right Method of Selling Your Soul To Satan [Re: ]
nocTifer Offline
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 Originally Posted By: MatthewJ1
You have provided a link here to the Log - in page of the Modern Church of Satan. I am assuming that you were trying to provide a link to the Philosophy section at MCOS?

I was attempting to produce a lack of duplication, but i see that this did not work and that the post in question at MCoS was inaccessible to anyone who was not registered and logged in there.

 Quote:
If there is an appropriate post there at MCOS which you have made, then maybe you could copy and paste it into the thread here?

good idea, i'll try that below:

 Originally Posted By: "nocTifer"
post to this thread relating your pact, its character, content, the method of its signing, timing, what happened when you did so, how you stored it thereafter, what happened to it and because of it since then. append photos of your pact, its location, magical talismans containing it or fragments thereof, theories surrounding its existence, the being with whom you established it, or its significance to the world.

I wrote the following below regarding my pact for another forum:
 Quote:
my spiritual motivation is primarily bhaktic and feminocentric. I am dedicated in a neo-tantric and, until meeting my guru, solitary modality to my God ('Kali Ma, Queen of Demons') as i know Her. She encourages me in many ways as my own grandmother and mother have, and She has been extremely helpful to me in finding insight into my circumstance and meaning in developments as they unfolded around me. She it was who encouraged me to look into demonology, black magic, and many other "dangerous" subjects. She encouraged me to have compassion on those who were being unfairly condemned and targetted during the Satanic Panic, and to undertake what my guru might call an extreme alliance with a subculture that features some extremely objectionable facets.

once i experienced a vision of what Satan was, behind the projection in my culture (wild nature), it became rational to me to undertake a conventional heinous act in alliance with that (primarily along ecological valence lines, but beyond this also), legitimizing it both as part of that compassion and as an advance on the then-current Satanian subculture which was deftly evading all notions of this important Faustian (and, subtly, native American) occult tool: the Pact with the Devil. having researched it i knew its important elements, and had a ready date to effect its poignant conclusion (the 6th of June in 1996). I recall vividly the thick, eldritch stasis that the forest held that night. I thought of Lovecraft more than once, and when i heard the growl from the bushes my memory is that i did not stop to wonder what it was, but continued on with poise, leaving the Beast to find others with whom it might tussle.

that pact, especially in association to my scripture, has changed my life completely, and it envelopes me in ways i will never understand. it serves to pinion me perfectly in contradistinction to my surrounding culture, and excellently establishes my place in the milieu of Satanists whom i persistently serve as best i know how.


character, content: made from reused talismanic paper, inscribed with a red pen and signed with my blood obtained from a wound made on my chest.

photo of your pact


method of its signing, what happened when i did so

what happened to it and because of it since then: see quote above.

how i stored it thereafter: in the upper compartment of a demonic altar with some containment, binding, and cursing spell components.

its location: The Demonic Altar containing the pact


magical talismans containing it or fragments thereof: The Aeonic Amulet (containing a real sliver of the pact, composed of the Eye of Agamotto of the Sorcerer Supreme, the One Ring, and the Devil's Gau)


the bottom portion (the Eye of Agamotto) has a reverse side:


theories surrounding its existence:
this is a mutual-defense pact, allied in a continual and endlessly breakable bond for an agreed purpose. my activities shall be manifest to you in part here and elsewhere. Satan's engagement with me will be personal, non-apparent because it has an affect on the duration of unsatiated desire. I still want this pact. I still think and feel that Satan does too.

the being with whom you established it:
not a being to my knowledge, but a portion of being, wild nature, uncontrolled natural phenomena outside me and inside me. the butterfly delighting my eye, the cloud capturing my imagination, the disease infecting my body, the lust and vivid emotion surging through me.

its significance to the world:
radical controversy, reactionary edgewalking, a commitment to truth and justice, faust-cum-eco-mystical-weirdness, the True Sign of the Black Age, the Commencement of the Aeon of the Adversary for which the Age of Satan was but a heraldry.

 Quote:
Also I am not sure if it is good form to provide links to other Satanic organisations?

ok, since it was so long i figured i might be able to avoid a lot of extra text/graphics, but i see that wasn't helpful, and since this is an important focus extending beyond the ordinary praxis of T600Cl, i'm including it here for evaluation, catcalls, recommendations as to my need for psychiatry, and more helpful reflections on my Satanism. thanks!


Edited by nocTifer (10/20/10 06:03 PM)
Edit Reason: extra quote tag removed
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#44182 - 11/18/10 07:06 AM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Satan's Mistress]
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The idea of selling souls to Satan is a Christian invention.

Satanism needs to get away from all Christian bulls*it to get down to what Satanism really is about.
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#44258 - 11/19/10 09:56 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: mabon2010]
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 Originally Posted By: mabon2010
The idea of selling souls to Satan is a Christian invention.

Satanism needs to get away from all Christian bulls*it to get down to what Satanism really is about.



What Satanism needs is to get rid of ignorance being spread around by those who obviously do not understand the tenets of Satanism.

@OP- Honestly, do some research or better yet, make it personal and your own. I personally am not going to barter my soul with some non existent deity but if you wanna, sure.
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#44550 - 11/30/10 04:45 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: OrgasmicKarmatic]
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Hello O.K.

 Originally Posted By: OrgasmicKarmatic
@OP- Honestly, do some research or better yet, make it personal and your own. I personally am not going to barter my soul with some non existent deity but if you wanna, sure.

This statement is wasted on air... The OP hasn't been back since this his first and only post. The longer you remain here the more of this you will see. Lost little sheep thinking Satan has all the EASY answers.

 Originally Posted By: OrgasmicKarmatic
What Satanism needs is to get rid of ignorance being spread around by those who obviously do not understand the tenets of Satanism.

Why? What is your reasoning for this. How does any of this affect you?

The less they understand me or my beliefs the better. People need to remember to fear the dark.

~T~
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#44553 - 11/30/10 09:48 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: ta2zz]
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 Originally Posted By: ta2zz
Why? What is your reasoning for this. How does any of this affect you?

The less they understand me or my beliefs the better. People need to remember to fear the dark.


Hello there,

The specific member that I was referring to, which I kept anonymous to avoid further conflict at the site at which I admin at, is not a Satanist. Does not claim to be a Satanist.

Anyhow, I truly agree with the idea that the less others understand the best.. however, I also believe that those who do not know what they are talking about are best to not speak about it.
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#45871 - 01/03/11 06:00 AM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Satan's Mistress]
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Try this link.
http://www.angelfire.com/empire/serpentis666/SATANIC.html


I just want to say, and I really mean alot disrespect, but do you ppl know how to answer a question without having your rank shoved up you ass. Some one asks a question, they want a answer. They didn't make a account just to listen to ppl be smart asses. http://www.joyofsatan.com is way better than this BS you have to go through just to learn something. for ppl that only know this website for answers should go ahead and go Christan cause no one is going to tell you shit until suck some dick and post something this way or your "experienced". well fuck this shit. everyone on here that has been a smart ass to someone is like a Christan, your spreading bull shit about Satanism. I no father would be most unpleased with you ppl rewording his holy rituals with your unhelpfulness. if you ask me the 600 club needs be cleansed of all assholes that can take the time to be a smart ass but not help a fellow brother or sister by just spreading your knowledge. your all pathetic excuses for satanists. you all are pathetic for not having respect for his words and process.

None of you smart asses have the right to have satans love for you dirty his name and all satanist with your comments of just curiousity. and seriously the whole grammer thing, you can kiss my ass. you know what im saying but it dont matter cause you ppl wont help any way. cause your always worried about what else to shove up your ass, bitches thank you and goodnight, AVAS SATANAS.

P.S. For ppl who want knowledge that is actually locatable. try that Joy of satan.com. i love it.

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#45873 - 01/03/11 06:37 AM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Angel_hunter50]
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Father will be happy that another weak little kitten joins his ranks at JoS. Now quickly go there and not come back.

D.

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#45875 - 01/03/11 07:25 AM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Angel_hunter50]
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Oh, Father Satan loves you all right, but not for the reasons you think.

He loves you in the same way the Army loves having cannon fodder in their ranks.
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#45886 - 01/03/11 04:13 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Nemesis]
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I note the Luciferian ranks are getting some of these "Father Satan" types coming at us.

One individual has sexual relations with a demon each night and has a talking demonic doll. All I can say is WTF!
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#45889 - 01/03/11 05:06 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: mabon2010]
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Don't get me started on the JOS. I have several problems with their approach, of which one major one is that they try to enlist minors and that they use bait and switch tactics. I'd put them right there with Scientology. Which also gives me the heebie-jeebies.

This page, by one of their members is quite telling:

http://www.666blacksun.com/Adolf_%20Hitler.html

Especially this little ditty is quite telling:

"Hitler communicated with Satan and his Demons. At that time, the Demons were bound. Hitler was informed he was to establish a powerful foundation in which others would follow. Though he lost the war, those chosen by Satan will follow with success in establishing a "Fourth Reich." "Four" is the number of Satan/Enki. Hitler saw the ideal human in Satan and his Demons who are of the extra-terrestrial race known as the "Nordics," for their tall statures, light blonde hair and blue eyes. The Jewish controlled media works relentlessly to suppress information concerning the Nordic race of ET's, while at the same time promoting the enemy greys."

Needless to say, I am unimpressed.

I am Laveyan myself, and I am open minded to the views of Satanists of many paths because I can see avenues to enrich myself, but the JOS is definately not one of them.

@mabon: WTF indeed...
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#45893 - 01/03/11 07:26 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Dutch Satanist]
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I just clicked on the first link Angel_hunter50 supplied in his 5th post above, which details how to "make a commitment to Satan". I must say I'm appalled that someone, presumably an adult in the technical sense, is posting nonsense like this and communicating it to minors. The writer speaks of an unbreakable bond being made with Satan on the "astral plane" to avoid the hazard of parents finding a home-made altar or other evidence of "Satanic" activity. Even if the question formulated about hiding belief from one's parents is hypothetical, rather than actual correspondence with a minor, it is still wholly irresponsible and could lead someone into a seriously bad mental state. I find the site just as dirty as the evangelical ones which aim to scare young people into their kind of Christianity to avoid eternal damnation.
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#45906 - 01/04/11 11:18 AM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: felixgarnet]
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You are appalled because you are a lot more intelligent than the idiots on that site or the idiot who posted it here. I've been to that site a couple of years back just browsing and I think stayed on it about 30 seconds which was too long. Complete waste of time and total bullshit.
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#45984 - 01/06/11 11:47 AM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: manofsteel]
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Meh, not sure what this soul selling bit is really and I am a Traditional Satanist. I think I posted some junk aways back on it just because I had a history book out, but yea it's nothing us theistic types do. We have dedications which basically may be directed to Satan proper, or even another demon in the hierarchy (more likely) which we have a personal affinity with. No one is forced to do anything they don't will to do anyway... Most of these types of things would happen YEARS into practice. Obviously, this is much different than the typical idea of these arrangements as this is nothing more than a formal affirmation of an already existing "working" partnership. No slaves here buddy..

Yes, I know the atheists don't believe in these things I am merely providing the information as best as possible. You're free to accept or reject that for whatever reason. \:\) All the tripe on the web is pretty much just that I haven't seen much on the web that accurately reflect what we do so take all that stuff you've been reading with extreme doses of salt. Our traditions are about 99% oral and I'm about as public as you will see one of us be.


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#45989 - 01/06/11 01:15 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Mindmaster]
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 Originally Posted By: Mindmaster
Our traditions are about 99% oral and I'm about as public as you will see one of us be.


No offense but I'm not buying this.

Celtic druids also had a purely oral tradition and look where that ended. Scantily dressed fat chicks tip-toeing between trees. If you're a product from an oral tradition, what are the odds your ideas are not a degeneration from the original product?

D.

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#45997 - 01/06/11 03:57 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo

Celtic druids also had a purely oral tradition and look where that ended. Scantily dressed fat chicks tip-toeing between trees. If you're a product from an oral tradition, what are the odds your ideas are not a degeneration from the original product?

D.


"Nor do they think it is right to entrust these verses to writing although they use Greek letters in almost all other matters."
CAESAR on the Druids.

20 years of training to become a Druid, made sure that the knowledge was well remembered with no mistakes.
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#45998 - 01/06/11 04:37 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Mindmaster]
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I think I get what you are saying but there is still no excuse for the bullshit that JOS is selling. They pretty much have people and I am sure young people are drawn to them doing some of the stupidist shit I have ever seen. You can be or believe in whatever you want but what they are telling others to do is ridiculous.
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#46000 - 01/06/11 04:50 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Mindmaster]
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Theistic Satanist traditions are generally not oral; I think you're misusing the term. An oral tradition means some physical person handed down a series of myths, rituals, and ideas directly from mouth to ear, for generation to generation. In the western world today, there are only a few oral traditions with genuinely ancient roots-- such as Voodoo, Santeria, Benedicaria, and the Mexican cultus of Santissima Muerte-- and they almost always show a great deal of syncretism with Christianity.

Druidism was an oral tradition, as were the ancient greek mystery cults like Mithraism and the Dionysian rites. They died out long ago, and we know nothing about them aside from what commentators wrote.

In contrast, most modern branches of the occult are "synthetic" traditions, meaning they are followed mainly by solitary practitioners who create their own praxis by doing (hopefully) extensive research and drawing from a variety of other different traditions. Some of these, such as Rosicrucianism, Wicca, and Thelema, may be practiced by different generations of people, but the overwhelming majority are still introduced to the tradition through a literary source.

Same goes for the Left-Hand Path. The Church of Satan and the Order of Nine Angles are the oldest unbroken manifestations of Satanism today, but they are not more than a few decades old, and the 99.99% of practitioners learn about them through research.

An actual "pure traditionalist" Satanist would mostly employ reverse-Christian practices like the Black Mass, and the idea of the Faustian blood pact as described in some Norwegian Black Books from the 1700s:

When you want to release the angels from Hell, you should in the morning when you rise say this: ‘I renounce you, God the Father that has made me. I renounce you, the Holy Spirit that has blessed me. I will never worship or serve you after this day, and I completely swear to Lucifer, ruler of the dark abyss. And I swear to his rule, and he shall serve me and do what I ask of him. In exchange I will give my own blood as insurance and a pledge. This insures me to him with body and soul for all eternity, if he does what I ask, order, or command of him. And thereupon I sign with my own hand and with my own blood. This to be certain and true in every possible way.’

Of course, direct references like this are so incredibly scant that to formulate a full-blooded religion out of them are impossible, especially considering such devil-worship was very isolated, and seldom spread to more than a handful of people-- usually superstitious crazy folk who could never pass down their beliefs due to obvious reasons.


Edited by The Zebu (01/06/11 04:58 PM)
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#46005 - 01/06/11 05:25 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
Scantily dressed fat chicks tip-toeing between trees. oral degeneration


LOL! Finally, this thread is worthwhile. Thank you D. \:D
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#46007 - 01/06/11 05:38 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Well I guess anything with scantily dressed fat chicks is worth reading. Or maybe not, I think I was wrong. Oh well. Half naked anybody sparks conversation.
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#46019 - 01/06/11 07:44 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo


No offense but I'm not buying this.

Celtic druids also had a purely oral tradition and look where that ended. Scantily dressed fat chicks tip-toeing between trees. If you're a product from an oral tradition, what are the odds your ideas are not a degeneration from the original product?

D.


Celtic Druids, feh.. There aren't any.. They're a neo-pagan revival... Traditional Satanists and those do have a bunch in common, as one of my buddies is one of those and I do spend a great deal of time chatting. They really see a lot of things similarly to the way I would. Don't really care what you buy.. as I said.. I included my disclaimer. Anyway, yea it's mostly that way due to there basically an inability convey certain experiences via type so yea no point in trying to explain that small bit that doesn't fit in your tiny definition of Satanism. I used to be a LaVeyan at some point, but had several experiences which changed that for me. All philosophies are great until they can't explain something then the work begins to find out what something really means. That's all that really happened in my case, I became accidentally theistic if you will. I'm just not afraid of anything... I can dance with the devils, and sleep well that night. Not everyone can. \:\)

Every idea is "inherited" from someone or something else everything (even spirituality) is a constant state of improvement. Any other condition is unnatural really some ideas shore others up, and others tear others down. In this case, the original product matters very little. There is no dogma to inherit from someone else except a few shared rites between friends all the work is mostly on YOU personally I would say. In that case what things mean to YOU is determined by YOU so in essence YOU are not really "following" anyone. \:\) Teaching someone how to walk doesn't necessarily mean you have decided their destination for them you have just gave them the bit it took for them to start the journey. So it is with us. Much less a faith you must adhere to and much more one that you will find naturally in your own way. Doesn't work like the Christian idea of religion does it? Didn't find any do as I says and not as I do's, commandments, forced rites, or anything else... sorry to let you down er rock the boat.. I don't believe Satan will skull fuck you if you never come around either... I honestly think the prince of darkness has better things to do... Perhaps that is a different view from what you were expecting? \:\)

@ Zebu - Historical frames of reference aren't even accurate. Go back I dunno.. 200-300 years and Witchcraft(not WICCA) and Satanism as the same damn thing. Black Masses were always for show, and blasphemy in general is just sort of a poke at the establishment anyway. 99% of anything to do in Traditional Satanism is not group work. Infact, most don't do ANY group work. Group work is more "celebratory" than "practical" to easily explain it. Considering that the goal of is your spiritual and psychological improvement for the most part I really don't see the point where adding more people in the pile does much since most of the work to be done is within the confines of your own personal universe.

There is a lot of garbage about us written, and really the bulk of it has been written by straight up Christians. You might as well be asking them to teach you about Krishna. You can't read something by a religions oppressor and then assume it has any sort of factual basis. You wanna learn about Buddha read the texts the Buddhists use or talk with one.. there really is no other way... you're not going to ask the Baptist Minister or Pope are you?

Historical references don't really establish your beliefs unless you're just silly enough not to see the value of them yourself or convey them to others. I don't need an unbroken lineage of 2000 years to legitimate myself and certainly I have no new ideas just a new box to collect them in. LaVey Satanism doesn't even HAVE a lineage, either.. ONA ditto.. Lets buck up and admit we're all new kids on the block and what we've been doing has nothing to do with anything someone did 300 years ago. Really.. \:\) ONA isn't so much a Satanic thing to me as a neo-nazi occultism group. I'd never have anything to do with that for a myriad of personal and political reasons.



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#46026 - 01/06/11 10:58 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Mindmaster]
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Go back I dunno.. 200-300 years and Witchcraft(not WICCA) and Satanism as the same damn thing.


Not quite. Witchcraft (was) a hodgepodge of folk practices with various odds and ends of different religions. I would like to point to Scot's "Discoverie" as a good overview of what traditional European witchcraft actually entailed. Spells and rituals are done predominantly in the name of Jesus and the Holy Trinity, although there are occasional shout-outs to faeries, demons, and pagan gods like Hecate.

Satanism was only synonymous with Witchcraft for either actual Satanists (who were, as far as evidence shows, incredibly rare in those days), and the pious orthodox Christians who insisted that all non-Church-sanctioned spiritual practices were acts of sorcery inspired by the Devil.

I am not arguing that your idea of "Traditional Satanism" is not legitimate; I am simply saying that it is not really an "oral tradition"-- it is instead based more on personal spirituality and literary research.

I also didn't mean to imply that the CoS or ONA were ancient traditions; I said they were only a few decades old (which is admittedly ancient compared to the longevity of most occult groups). But in their short histories they are the only groups to have made any enduring codification of Satanism. In addition they have had a number of different people from different walks of life pass through their ranks, and have developed their own micro-cultures and sociological dynamics, however rudimentary these may be. I feel admittedly uneasy about using the term "tradition" with great certainty to describe such young groups, but if anybody in Satanism has earned the right to call themselves such, they have.

(The ONA, as a side note, aren't "neo-nazi", although many of their adherents have been involved in the "far right" circles at some point. They have some wacky metaphysics and many of their goals strike me as unrealistic, but they have a pretty solid initiatory system in my opinion, and if notoriety is any standard, they certainly do their part in playing the Devil.)

Just so we're on the same page, why do you consider your Satanism to be "traditional"? Do you follow a somewhat standardized set of ideas and practices passed down through a group of people? What sort of practices?

On the other hand, if you're simply doing your own thing with some occasional interaction with other people (what most of us seem to do), then I don't quite understand the point of calling it "Traditional".


Edited by The Zebu (01/06/11 11:50 PM)
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#46057 - 01/07/11 11:31 AM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: The Zebu]
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 Originally Posted By: The Zebu

On the other hand, if you're simply doing your own thing with some occasional interaction with other people (what most of us seem to do), then I don't quite understand the point of calling it "Traditional".


Honestly, I don't either I just used a different name to discuss two different things.

Anyway, I guess I consider it traditional because I would perhaps use a method of ritual magic that someone who studies LaVey certainly would not explore. For example you wouldn't have much use for devotions, invocations, prayers, and channeling in what most people consider Satanism. So I use a different name merely for convenience lack of confusion, etc.

Really there is no good way to go with my own beliefs. Is it easier to say: soft polytheistic-henotheistic-apotheosis Satanist? Sometimes people who call themselves Demonolaters are doing close to what I am doing, or even exactly similar things at times. But, I think that is even a stretch since it seems like straight up Satanism to me with a new name to sell books. \:\) I don't particularly see many of the Demonolatry camp doing much different than what I do.. but some of them work with completely non-Satan pantheons.. etc. \:\)


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#47132 - 01/21/11 10:30 AM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Mindmaster]
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The thing is, you can't really separate the label 'Traditional Satanist' from the ONA, because that was the first 'group' that coined the term as some kind of rallying call.

They (well, really he initially) did so on the basis that there was allegedly a long lineage of 'Dark Pagan' rites and beliefs in Shropshire, England that were passed down mouth to ear for generations, the whole time being practiced in secret. According to the narrative, they were finally codified using more easily recognizable names for the acausal entities that are central to the doctrine in works like the Black Book of Satan etc. Satan is just a causal name for an acausal entity that has been known by countless others. The fact that there is not a shred of evidence of any such surviving traditional, pre-christian Dark Pagan belief system is neither here nor there. Myatt is anything if not a man who understands the value of a great mythos for vindicating a belief set. As Satan was effectively an entity created by the Christians in the middle ages, it seems unlikely that there was any long standing, traditional worship of Satan prior to the atheistic CoS's inspired/spawned spiritual spin offs, or the ONA.

To Zebu's point it's refreshing to read a post that makes that distinction because so often the ONA are turned into this lumbering group of extremists in people’s minds. The ONA isn't in fact national socialist, or really into extremist Islam (as 'Anton Long' himself said in a recent blog post on his site, it's all about inciting people to blow up other people for the sake of being genuinely numinous and evil), but they are heretical. By living an active National Socialist lifestyle, or extremist Islamic lifestyle, for the sake of 1) experiencing it and 2) supporting a modern heresy, you are going to be forced into real and direct physical and 'spiritual' conflict with the current aeon, and thus erode it. It's for this reason that criminality is actively encouraged in the early initiatory stages of that 'system' also. It’s an active philosophy that is probably spoken about far more than it is in fact practiced, but in my mind, they’re the only people that use the banner ‘Traditional Satanism’ in any mythologically justified way. Anyone else, as has been pointed out is just gathering together threads of what may have once been oral traditions through research and compiling them into their own coherent belief set. (Well I say anyone else, it’s pretty likely that’s all the ONA did, and I find it no easier to justify than Gardner’s bogus lineage for Wicca).

What I’m saying is that even those that label themselves at ‘Traditional Satanists’ rarely practice anything that smacks of 'traditional' Satanism in part because such a lineage is hard to put a finger on. In the case of the ONA for example, it seems more than likely that such a lineage of 'Dark Pagan' female cult leaders that practiced in secret in the rural areas of England before it was codified and embodied is nothing but a hook for one man's visionary, albeit misguided doctrine.

I wouldn't call using ceremonial magic the hallmark of a traditional Satanist (even if I accept their existence) either however. As a good friend of mine (also a Levayan once said) "I believe in Satan as a real entity, absolutely, when I'm in the ritual chamber and I need to raise that kind of energy, the second I walk out of the ritual chamber however I know that Satan is a representation only, but it's hard to perform a ritual with that view in mind.” In essence, ritual is an important part of a lot of Levayan lives, and their rituals would be indistinguishable in a lot of ways (even down to their mental state and beliefs at the time of performing the ritual) from a ‘Traditional Satanist’. They also have the longest traceable lineage, suggesting they’re the traditional ones.

I’m not of course ruling out the possibility that there is a line of secret traditional Dark Pagan rites that have been passed down for generations, I’m merely pointing out that such a claim is unverifiable in any way. By definition, the person making the claim that knowledge had been whispered in his ear orally, would be taking the word of the person passing that knowledge onto them (on the assumption that their original claim is valid). As it would be entirely oral, there would be no written record of it that the receiver could verify, so it would be an action of enormous faith in the person doing the telling to buy that, and provides no evidence that such a lineage existed prior to the person doing the telling....well...doing the telling.


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#47140 - 01/21/11 02:40 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: MindFux]
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If there was a method of selling your soul to satan that I wouldnt consider some sort of reverse christianity in and of itself. It would just be an extension of self affirmation using a psychodrama framework of diabolism to serve as an emphatic to the particular goal or purpose one had in mind. Wheather one does this or not is purely arbitrary in terms of reason and would be more down to aesthetic predialection of what constitutes valid practice of one's own Satanism.
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#47432 - 01/27/11 12:30 PM Re: The Right Method of Selling Your Soul To Satan [Re: thedeadidea]
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 Originally Posted By: Mindmaster
Meh, not sure what this soul selling bit is really and I am a Traditional Satanist.

as you later explain, this isn't anything longstanding, just character-descriptive. the term 'traditional' is propped up by new religious for the purpose of legitimizing in the face of shifting faces of singularly-terms religious use, like 'Christianity', some of whose institutions have been around a while.

the soul-selling bit is a chapter out of 'literary anti-occultism', purported by Christians promoting their punitive ideas in thematic large-scale swathes, what is called 'the Faustian literary tradition'. Faust or Faustus is a character (compare Don Juan) made use of to scare people into Christianity in a similar manner to how the terms 'witch' and 'satanist' were used to condemn folks into the faith. in the same way that those struggling against this fear-mongering have picked up the bludgeon and turned it around on the oppressors in regards language (now there are 'religious witches' and 'religious satanists' and 'the Black Mass' is legitimated as a deconditioning device, rather than a mere anti-Christian travesty effecting the anti-God's desires), there are those who have taken it upon ourselves to legitimate the process of pact-making and soul-sale, albeit with modern concepts about what is taking place and in some cases a variety of notions as to what constitutes a soul.

 Originally Posted By: Mindmaster
...it's nothing us theistic types do.

given the youth of Satanity, the emphasis on individualism, the tendency to pick up pieces of what Christianity condemns and turn them toward the user purpose as compared to the slanders about the target of the propaganda, you can expect that actual religious Satanists will not be generalized over so simplistically.

 Originally Posted By: Mindmaster
No one is forced to do anything they don't will to do anyway.

irrelevant as related to soul-selling. not only is it usually described as pursued on one's own, but its variation even amongst Christians (as non-Christians sought to preserve their non-Christian deities and place them into a Christian context, thereafter having some kind of relationship with them, for example) even bears inconsistent characteristics as regards sale or what is being sold. alliance with spirits (e.g. augoeides) or gods is ancient. competition amongst cults flavours the descriptions of these through time.

 Originally Posted By: The Zebu
...direct references like this {excellent one! Black Books are a very good resource for Satanists by my evaluation!} are so incredibly scant that to formulate a full-blooded religion out of them are impossible, especially considering such devil-worship was very isolated, and seldom spread to more than a handful of people-- usually superstitious crazy folk who could never pass down their beliefs due to obvious reasons.

beautifully evaluated and argued. the standards which i can find are sociologically sound, in an identification of religious Satanism through time, incorporate notions of religion that feature persistent liturgy or doctrine sustaining itself over the course of at least decades and an exterior apparel striking by label with an approximation to 'Satanist'. I've been able to locate none prior to the 1960s Church of Satan, though these de factos do exist in pockets (others mention Hellfire clubs).

 Originally Posted By: Mindmaster
...All philosophies are great until they can't explain something then the work begins to find out what something really means.

anyone familiar with philosophical rigour will understand the narrow objectionable shield propped up by LaVey as a social controversy and philosophical amusement. something large enough to use as a raft in the sea of knowledge typically takes a lot more depth thought and addresses many more arenas of human endeavour. the philosophic greats treat the whole to an evaluation and aren't merely creating reactionary pearls against a contextual shell. typically a shield of this type can be played out and plugged in so as to infer an explanation for just about anything you like, and i know of no exception in the case of LaVeyan ideas. if you didn't like how LaVey and followers dealt with gods, then you may accept as axiomatic that deities (/spirits/demons) are something more than may fit into conscousness handily. "can't explain" doesn't really address your willingness to abrogate the methodologies of the rational by the introduction of flimsy revealed truths.

 Originally Posted By: Mindmaster
...There is a lot of garbage about us written, and really the bulk of it has been written by straight up Christians. You might as well be asking them to teach you about Krishna. You can't read something by a religions oppressor and then assume it has any sort of factual basis. You wanna learn about Buddha read the texts the Buddhists use or talk with one.

the trouble with this evaluation is that it plays fast and loose with historical origins and the facts. when you say 'go back 200-300 years and Witchcraft and Satanism were the same damn thing' this only applies to their intersection as heretics. these terms mutated through time in usage, and 'witch' emerged out of the cautionary tales of monsters who'd steal your body to be applied to heretics, then antagonistic spellcasters, to at best wizened village herbalists before settling down into a nature-loving Bewitched skyclad Goddess-worshipper. Satanist simply does not have this type of history and especially amongst those who study religions (like anthropologists) from whom modern religious like to draw their material in pursuit of 'revivals of religions' (druidry or Kemetia).

the 'us' involved didn't actually exist until a few decades ago. much of what was written about all of these was either fabrication in the face of nothing existing at all or some wiped out people we never knew and we're not likely to know about them any time soon. those who discover some extant survival in family traditions are, to my understanding, all finger-painting over the past and cooking up tall tales to promote their preferred cult. this is nothing new mind you. the basis of Buddhism and the crucible of Christianity are exactly these kinds of wacky oral tales of religious superheros, now many centuries later believed as literal history. the influence of these universalist exporting cults is so vast that many people in secular society (even many Satanists and atheists) are convinced of the euhemerist "likelihood" that the 'figures behind the legends' existed. don't kid yourself. scholarship of reliability undermines them completely.

 Originally Posted By: Mindmaster
...you wouldn't have much use for devotions, invocations, prayers, and channeling ....

many religious do. that Satanity is expanding so as to incorporate these is not unexpected. religious witchcraft did also for purposes of experiential completeness (there are real reasons people do these things even if they don't always understand properly what their gods and devils are), and we can expect that the gamut will be found in Satanism, Demonolatry, and whatever succeeds these. whether a character of rational scrutiny can be retained and applied to these while they are engaged is the interesting question. does it take a level of gullibility or ignorance to embrace these kinds of things, or, with Chaos mages, can we argue that their use while omitting dictatorial agents from the clouds issuing proclamations through earthly institutions is worth preserving?

 Originally Posted By: Mindfux
By living an active National Socialist lifestyle, or extremist Islamic lifestyle, for the sake of 1) experiencing it and 2) supporting a modern heresy, you are going to be forced into real and direct physical and 'spiritual' conflict with the current aeon, and thus erode it.

the same is true for any other religion or sociopolitical cultus which has fallen into disfavour. in the context of their propagation (say, in a Muslim country in the case of the former) one might become conditioned by immersion. shifting then to an antagonistic environ could serve a similar purpose.

being socially averse or objectionable has different valences. those which stand behind actual, recent sociopolitical regimes that had fascist, targetting, and even megalomaniacal ideological platforms and have fallen into denunciatory disfavour are likely going to draw the most intense response. how far is it valuable to proceed in that direction? for example, one might walk into the wake of Aum Shinrikyo (now 'Aleph') after Shoko Asahara's imprisonment and advocate for armageddon within the bowels of the US. one might begin an advocation around the World Trade Center that a worship of the hijackers and Osama bin Laden is the key to the Great New Coming World. at some point one must critically evaluate not only the process engaged but also the likelihood that others will be drawn to it as part of Herd-mechanism, and how compatible it is with regard to one's actual Satanism long-term. conditioning can be engaged within a social context or internally as part of a routinized mentation one adopts for purpose.

if one is clear in delineating the purpose of such advocations in the context of personal development (as Anton Long was, but some after him including Myatt and others are not always) there is room to understand its transformative value and with many different results. I did something on a very minor scale by venturing into the midst of conversion-oriented cults with a pen and paper (initially as part of university studies) explaining that i wanted to learn about them. they set about challenging me with their best conscriptive argumentation and fallacies (about which i had fully prepared myself intellectually prior to encountering them), using emotional appeals and isolating tactics. the will necessary to retain my own composure and integrity while pleasantly encountering them and placing before them the alternatives to their doctrines and dogma was bolstering to me long term, so i can appreciate the expression of Long in this regard.

your observation that this is "spoken about far more than it is in fact practiced" is also my own, and in combination with the unpopular line of expression that the Order of Nine Angles in some of its guises has pertaining to human sacrifice (a primary vector of condemnation from Christianity about its 'Satanism' bogey), i doubt that many would be drawn to it. identifying its actual existence has been attempted by a handful of observers, but i don't notice that they describe more than a single individual or a small group arrayed for promotional purposes, and without explication of their practical activities. for this reason it is reasonable to argue it doesn't qualify as religious Satanism at all, whereas the Church of Satan is as you seem to be saying also a far more obvious contender (of religion generally but also of 'tradition') regardless of its treatment of conventional (esp. Christian) religious standards.

 Originally Posted By: thedeadidea
If there was a method of selling your soul to satan that I wouldnt consider some sort of reverse christianity in and of itself. It would just be an extension of self affirmation using a psychodrama framework of diabolism to serve as an emphatic to the particular goal or purpose one had in mind.

I've attempted to construct the platform for this in the context of Satanism. I prepared myself by demonology (studying the literature, as i could find it, pertaining to demons so called) and what i could ascertain of claimsmaking surrounding these pacts. my first action was to re-acquire and redefine the Faustian pact so as to 1) serve my own particular goals and 2) establish it as an ongoing and negotiated contractual option engaging disparate natural phenomena in the guise of a corporate (fictional) entity, rather than a finalized obligation to an acknowledged supernatural agent. I then set about engaging numerous post-Christians who were interested in pursuing this literary Christian diabolism toward ends of their specificity, interviewing them, trying to find out what they sought and how, and exploring how this compared with what i had already researched in the way of notions about these deals with the Devil (it is an humungous cultural corpus). this extended to Muslim and 'Dark Pagan' interests, the latter whom i was to compare against Setians in the ToS.

along the way, i constructed a web page detailing my best approximations of what at least a Satanic pact would contain, based on my own experience and research ( the current version of which is highly developed with samples of pacts). as my interviews proceeded and my exploration of the Faustian corpus extended to more and more varied examples, i added pieces relevant to particular interests which were not my own therein. this served as a lightning rod for those who wanted to learn how to sell their soul for riches, fame, sex, conquest, whathaveyou, and they contacted me in email for my interviews. by and large most of them were illiterate and ignorant. they often sought to have me do their magic for them, even when i pointed them to relevant source materials pertaining to the most expedient methods relating to summoning or pact-making. had i wanted to (and some of my friends counselled me to consider it), i could have employed my skills to arrange these kinds of pacts (ones i would consider insane) for others for a fee, and partly support myself therewith. I chose not to.

instead, i opted to explore what could be done within the Satanist milieu online, in the wake of my Beloved and guru providing to me an amusing accessory to my black robes and 'Baphomet' Amulet: a turban. I witnessed construction of the Satanic International Network and found some of its denizens including yourself to be of amiable character. I experimented therein with the technology of communication (primarily audio and visual) and for the first time extended my presence to a venue of interest where it was met with regard and praise (comparably, my exploration of tinychat.com was quite challenging, numerous individuals calling me 'Osama' and asking me if i was going to bomb them!). in the wake of antics typically moderated out of internet sandboxes i determined to revise my engagement of it in adverse style and in association with an escalation of YouTube involvement (something a number of administrators within that context had found attention within). I styled myself as 'Troll Towelhead' and my Beloved further gifted me with the delegated title of Grand Mufti of Satanism. I started a channel separate from my previous miniscule and made a small start upon which i will soon be building.

my point in mentioning this is that the Satanic Pact or Deal with the Devil is in many ways directly related to the impetus ascribed to affiliation with controversial sociopolitics described by Long and later less persuasively to my eyes by Myatt and others. the immediate response i received within this Satanist context was condemnation and criticism. I had properly identified the villified cybernetic slam-placard, what Mindfux might call 'the aeonic evil', and my actions were solely intended to legitimate it. when provided an avenue for it by the very indulgent administrators therein, i made as complete an explication of the principles and motivations behind my actions as i could bring to bear. generally thereafter this was met with admirable understanding therein.

what is pertinent to this thread after this was my escalation of this notion associated with Long and the ONA by my issuing of a fatwa (religious opinion) on the proper method of selling one's soul to Satan. this i put into a video format, properly concealed for my purposes and providing precisely this "extension of self-affirmation using a psychodrama framework of diabolism to serve as an emphatic to {a} particular goal or purpose one had in mind" as you've described. like what was done to the Black Mass by LaVey, i sought, within a peculiar and adversarial alembic, to do to the Satanic Pact. I have since issued several written fatwas, and am about to move to coverage of another dimension of Satanic enterprise by religious Satanists (the proper use of the scientific method).

by these activities i hope not only to continue to serve Satanists of many stripes but in the doing also to serve Satan as i know Hir: wild nature within and without us.
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#62879 - 12/23/11 11:09 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Satan's Mistress]
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Soul is such a vague word. So in vague words you could say that I sold my soul to Satan. I didn't trade it for anything, but knowledge was given to me. Why don't you expand your mind to this world and what's on the other side, and you might learn your awnser.
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#63261 - 01/02/12 06:01 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Morgan]
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i would love to sign up with the Satan i have read all what u have wrote,how may i get started with?? looking forward to hear from you......................
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#63262 - 01/02/12 06:13 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: taylor]
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So taylor, you post here and send me a pm stating the same thing.

If you are that desperate do as I said in that earlier post, and send the $666.66 to my paypal account as previously stated.

Otherwise, stop spamming the board and others with pm's. Continue doing that and you will be banned.

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#63263 - 01/02/12 10:05 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Morgan]
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Geez man....if Satan actually existed as an anthropomorphic being, and was interested in purchasing 'souls'....I would remind him of the phrase "buyer beware"....I would hate to see him get duped or stuck with some substandard shit.
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#63300 - 01/04/12 08:37 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: RAIDER]
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Well, for the original question of this thread: if you want to do it the way Marilyn Manson apparently did it--he had sex with an ugly girl...
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#63386 - 01/06/12 01:29 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: taylor]
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 Originally Posted By: taylor
i would love to sign up with the Satan i have read all what u have wrote,how may i get started with?? looking forward to hear from you......................


Lolz! I am glad SIN is not the only network that gets this type of moron . Next he will be asking you to wire transfer money to Nigeria .
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#63472 - 01/08/12 08:35 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Zach_Black]
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Next he will be asking you to wire transfer money to Nigeria

Oh we get plenty of Nigerians, although they tend to stick to PM when soliciting members of a Satanist forum...
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#63477 - 01/08/12 09:36 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Nemesis]
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Why of all sites/groups they would flood Satanic ones is beyond me. Maybe there is just so many of those worthless spear chucking E- scamming fucktards they hit everyone.
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#77959 - 07/12/13 02:25 AM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Zach_Black]
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Yeah, read the Anton LaVey Satanic Bible, and the Satanic Rituals book and perform the rituals. Depends what book your talking about, but pretty much just buying a left hand book is good enough. Your pact is between you and the Infernal Master. The easiest way is to renounce God. God and The Devil made a deal for the battle of souls. Take your time with it if you want a good future. Don't take it as an easy button, or become a Vassel forever. Your choice. Depending on response to my posts maybe I'll tell you my method later. Just like people are born with certain things, no comparison it will sound F-d up. People are born with certain personality traits, it's a lifestyle, not an easy ticket. If you were drawn to this site it was either because you belong or to get that notion out of your head.-- Generalized Post.--

Edited by Azrael999 (07/12/13 02:28 AM)
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#79538 - 08/21/13 12:59 AM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Azrael999]
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The Invocation to Satan followed by the reading of the Infernal names. May also help to illiterate on paper what exactly it is that you would want to get out of Selling Your Soul.

Edited by Azrael999 (08/21/13 01:01 AM)
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#83966 - 01/15/14 02:14 AM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Diavolo]
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awesome quote by the way
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#83971 - 01/15/14 11:42 AM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Twass87]
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Diavolo whom you are replying to is no longer on this site. Also, please keep in mind that one line posts are generally not appreciated here, even if they are positive in nature.

Thanks.
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#84440 - 01/24/14 02:37 PM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: Asmedious]
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Best way to do it is whatever way works for you. If Satan exists as i belive then he will accept any offer of allegiance... and if he does not exist then it does not matter anyway. Use whatever method you like.

Crap just read the above post...


Edited by Malevolus (01/24/14 02:39 PM)

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#85698 - 03/13/14 11:06 AM Re: The right method of Selling Your Soul To Satan??? [Re: the earthly duck]
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I would consult this:

Satanic Dhikr http://www.archive.org/stream/TheSatanicDhikr/Satanic_Dhikr_revised_djvu.txt

and other papers on the practice.

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