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#38481 - 05/12/10 07:52 PM Sinister 101
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Hello, my name is Kris. Satanism has been a vitally important part of my experience of the world, and for a long time I have been establishing a relationship with Satan, Satanic Elements, and Satanism. I have passed through many stages and belonged to many groups - the ToB, The ONA, the IOT, and have run my own, including the Temple of THEM and Mvimaedivm. I have participated in group rituals, isolated rituals, and seriously studied and thought about the implications and meanings of Satanism from as many angles as you care to suggest. I have since gone my own individual way, developing my own unique path after coming to some interesting conclusions - yet even now, see that Satanism represents a useful, constructive and important aspect of life, given as is it to exploring the shadows, the dark, the morality of evil - and the relationship of these externalized elements that we take in hand as pentagrams, rituals, stances and philosophies as related to what is going on inside of each of us that pulls us toward such actions and activities.

Establishing a relationship with Satan is establishing a relationship with yourself - a serious journey to Know Thyself - which knowing often requires going beyond what is allowed, legal, or normal - and causes us to defy and stand against what is accepted, allowed, and considered the rule. For outside those rules lays the other half of the truth shrouded in darkness, and an unknown lorded over by such beings and energies as Satan stands for.

The further we go into this journey, the more we understand, and the harder it gets - for as we unveil what is false, we are left with little that is true. We have only a short time on Earth to figure things out, and little time to waste - perhaps why we dislike the Christian's who tie us up in knots and silly circular emotional argument - wasting our precious time to discover for ourselves what it is to be a living consciousness. Satan, that Accuser, the Heretic offers us a door to another perception, a new way of seeing.

To contribute to the knowledge that all Satanists accumulate on this journey to know Him, I would like to share two sites. One is Sinister 101 that aims to help teach about Satan - and who we'd like to partner with to this group which runs an important service in teaching and learning about Satan - the other is a wordpress that has many of the discoveries I have made in my personal journey as a Satanist.

http://au.groups.yahoo.com/group/Sinister101/
http://ryananschauung.wordpress.com/


Edited by Khk (05/12/10 07:52 PM)

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#38529 - 05/13/10 10:16 PM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: Khk]
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One of the tenets of Satinism is self-deification or to direct your energy inward as treating yourself as the supreme being. The goal of the religion is not to place emphasis on a seperate entity out in the cosmos, but it's to support one in their self-realization of the 'larger picture' whatever that may be. Frankly put, we (Satanists) arrive at a point in which interpretation of life does not rest with someone else's notions, but our own. To quote a contemporary who is in the field: 'Rituals and ceremonies are psychodrama.' We ascribe certain rubrics to be the foundation of the heralded religion of Satanism. You might want to try looking at the media room of this site, if you haven't read them already. This is a thing that struck me as a bit off kilter with your personal introduction.

I wanted to commend you for taking a look 'outside the box', and stating a fact of life which is its evanescence. Everything will soon pass out of existence, and fade away from reality as we know it. If Satanism was a crutch you used to aid you in mobilizing the resources to objectify life in this respect, more power to you.

As for good and Evil, it's definetly present with its workings every day: past and present and future. I'm biased towards the Evil notion myself, and I can appreciate all the effort your placing on the symbolism.

Ciao...666
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#38530 - 05/13/10 11:37 PM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: paolo sette]
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Hello,
Yes, that is one of the tenets - Sinister 101, I, and my work lean on experience and theory of Satanism - but diverge off into Heurisy and Phenomenological analysis which removes the restraints placed by adherence to forms - by seeking to understand forms.

However, I have personally found, that saying Satanism is or isn't something is too rigid a proposal, since it is or isnt at various stages of psychical/magical development, is or isnt subjectively to others is or isnt's, and as a mode or vehicle can like all other forms be heavily weighed down with (well-meaning) dogma and restriction. The example of Satan's rebellious archetype is about the only thing I would consider sacred or unchangeable, and the point from which to proceed.

As you say, we arrive at a notion of life of our own devising - but I have taken it further than most and questioned the very tools we use to describe or express our notions themselves - leading to some very tricky, very awkward, very interesting conclusions. Some are happy to use words and consensus views and descriptions of life and everything in it to achieve a gnosis - but I am skeptical of this approach when it is the only approach. And all too often, words, forms and such cement things into a place they should not be, and do not belong, but are put there because of a modicum that demands it.

I am not new here, my Temple of THEM posts have had 6000 hits here, and 4500 in Occult Corpus. This synchronicity and interest does not seem accidental and I believe that my approach strikes a chord with people - a chord I intend to strum. I have since abandoned the Temple of THEM, and decided to start a new thread dedicated to my own work without the previous stigma and dogma the Temple attached to itself by its involvement with the ONA.

The introduction you read was written to appeal to a demographic of teenagers as I moved from group to group introducing myself - I should not perhaps have used it here, but it's too little too late for ammends. I would just say that Sinister 101 has another introduction to my work and encourage others to take a look before summing up my approach.

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#38541 - 05/14/10 06:12 AM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: paolo sette]
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paolo sette

You are pretty close to debating the subject which a lot of us partake in a few months back regarding the word Satanism - what it means and who has the right to define what it means. Check out that thread if you'd like: http://www.the600club.com/topic35129-1.html

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#38549 - 05/14/10 09:40 PM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: paolo sette]
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 Originally Posted By: paolo sette


I wanted to commend you for taking a look 'outside the box', and stating a fact of life which is its evanescence. Everything will soon pass out of existence, and fade away from reality as we know it. If Satanism was a crutch you used to aid you in mobilizing the resources to objectify life in this respect, more power to you.

As for good and Evil, it's definetly present with its workings every day: past and present and future. I'm biased towards the Evil notion myself, and I can appreciate all the effort your placing on the symbolism.

Ciao...666


And, I wanted to thank you for your commendation. I ran out of time yesterday before I was able to do so - I appreciate your interest in my work and my post. Thank you. (That debate by the way, was awesome.)

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#38628 - 05/17/10 02:03 AM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: Khk]
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Some are happy to use words and consensus views and descriptions of life and everything in it to achieve a gnosis - but I am skeptical of this approach when it is the only approach. And all too often, words, forms and such cement things into a place they should not be, and do not belong, but are put there because of a modicum that demands it.

Golly, where to start? I don't normally post a response to follow-up on an elicited discussion because I'm not reading posts on the site as frequently as I'd like. So, I loose track of where I posted (intentionally forget) going about surfing through the threads. But, I wanted to say that I'll read through the posts as recommended by Theinsane. Gracie.

Kris, I had to read through your rebuttal twice, and paused to think for a couple minutes when you said things. I take your whole bent is on truthfulness that one amasses through obtaining insight whether empiracal or transcendental. Some information can be attained by reading books on the matter, but other intellection is gained by experience. I feel comfortable in stating that there is a concatenation between the both of THEM. (a poor joke-sorry, I don't have any humor, but I'm trying to get it!) Now, I'll take a calculated guess, and say that the knowledge which fuels your incessant pursuit of Satanic thought branches into intuitive understanding or grasping. For example, it is like drinking water yourself: you know without being told by others whether it is cold or warm. (You know you are Evil.)

I see (and think I'm an adequate seer) of the 'formless' in life. Just by me stating this opens up a 'can of worms.' Let me say a couple of things about it though, and it stems from a personal vantage point. It has awakened an ineffable self-realization when I take an objective stance, thus, looking within myself. I see the nature of my core being, and I'm working in concordance with the picture I see. (hence, meaning of 'formless') What makes me is 'formless' as it does not take shape in any manner. For starters, let me say the Satanic philosophy and religion is a beneficial and valid foundation to have. As I witnessed philosophy and religion unfolding in my life, religion handles matters of the heart. Why do we seek ceremonies and rituals? My heart is black. These are some of the tools which I use to express and receive ideas which is the functioning of the mind. If there is no mind, there is no phenomenal world.

I'm thinking that the quoted statement is a reaction to a haphazard quote from Anton I gave. The way I comprehend all that I'm predisposed to is by the educational process I've been exposed to which means, basically, that one constructs from what one is given. Adequate supplies are needed, if one decides to make something that stands the test of time. Subjects become complex fields as far as a person's will is concerned.

666
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#38645 - 05/17/10 08:05 PM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: paolo sette]
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Hi Paolo,

What I gave was by no means a rebuttal - the way I see it, there is ample room for more than just my convictions in the world, something I have been reminded of time and time again.

I liked your take on my approach - and to some extent you've nailed it. I don't find the concept of Truthfulness easy to define or support, or more accurately, I find it and almost every other concept, multi-faceted - which leads to confusion when they are taken out of duality - i.e. if something is not A then it must be B. Information can be elicted anywhere, nor does it have to be any particular category, drugs can give non-sensical, illogical, subconscious information by burning pathways into ones brain for instance; dreams may provide internal unconscious (or conscious) alchemical changes in one's individuation process or self-image leading to further contemplation of life and the consideration of changes on any number of levels; and as I understand it, information is more often than not unconsciously transmitted (i.e. body-language in the realm of human interaction) than is consciously processed, and of course, we're all different and so seek differently, so I would leave where information is gathered an open-ended question.

It is difficult to say what my whole bent is - because I treat each person that talks to me differently depending on my gauge of who they are, and where they are at. I therefore have no rigid bent and am flexible enough to just flow rather than dam.
There is a united link between THEM and 101, me, but many of the ideas put forward in THEM were heavily coloured by propaganda and turned toward achieving certain aims - i.e. they upheld a form. 101 travels similar paths with similar questions but is independant of any other group and its forms and needs. For abandoning those forms, I am in an infinitely better situation to give a more pure unadulterated expression in my work than was previously possible due to the worry of stepping on others toes and preserving their propaganda.

In regards to intuitive grasping - I have put myself in dozens of situations roles and jobs purely to learn more about different aspects of life directly;- which is where my experience turns information into knowledge, and further experience and counter-experience (i.e. an opposite role Janitor vs Govt Employee for instance) turns knowledge into personal wisdom. However, my incessant pursuit of Satanic thought hinges on the fact that I believe Satanism as a behaviour people exhibit (i.e. in questioning authority/status quo/rebellion) is symptomatic of an objective deeper human condition - which condition passes through many layers (See: Theory of the Beast for one of these layers) until it can be reduced no further than fear. Each of these layers has its own truth and only in tandem with fomenting and then challenging my own assertions on all these layers do I gain any real understanding - thesis/anti-thesis/synthesis as the ONA once put it.
The example you give of drinking water and knowing it is cold however is apt - since autonomy and the power of confidence and conviction in one's own self to judge what is what without external reassurance is a (beneficial) by-product of confronting fear. And I believe confronting fear is something forms are set up for precisely to avoid.

Quite often I meet people who give me their own take on formlessness - some expect me to refute it, correct it, somehow interfere in it. I'm not going to do that - your take to you is as valid as my take to me; I don't see why there need be room for one since both are subjective self-contained hypotheses we use to make sense of things, give them context, and proceed from. A comparison of approaches is not an attempt to exclude or push one out in front of the other. What is interesting to me, is the brain, and the noticable fact that whatever it is filled with colours what it sees, and whatever it points its attention to, becomes its reality. I call it the 23 syndrome - and it is the fact THAT we think not so much WHAT we think that interests me.

Your last paragraph is a beautiful summary - but do, or How do, or even Why do, you expect me to argue? Your points are yours, I can only defend my points ie. when someone's guess does not match my self-image of my work, I may feel the need to explain.
101 is what it is, no better no worse, and I am what I am, no better no worse. It uses Satanism because it is something I have great experience with, is more balanced than most forms by having a synthesis of light and dark and then seeking to go beyond them, (or at least I see this aspect in Satanism) and because it is part of the pathway down through the layers I spoke of to get to the truth - wherein as I said to someone else, truth, is confusion.



Edited by Khk (05/17/10 08:15 PM)

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#38675 - 05/19/10 09:06 PM The 101 of 101 [Re: Khk]
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Okay, I guess I should start by giving some more information about myself and the Sinister 101 group.

Sinister 101 deals with what is often the very uncomfortable practice of Knowing Thyself. The art of Knowing Thyself is complicated by the tremendous layers of variables involved and to many of which we have a heavy resistance in knowing or learning because of their disruptive qualities to certain other aspects of ourselves, including who we think we are.
101 uses the Satanic archetype in the sense that Satan represents a true and no-apology rebellion against everything that stands – this archetype is extremely powerful and diverse but is valuable because of the balance it often provides in allowing us to face the darknesses of life (as well as its lights) rather than outright denying them or denigrating them as is the practice of many new-age and white-light groups.
The core premise of 101 is that human beings live in fear which they try to hide. This fear arose out of Original necessity to survive our sudden process of Being into Life by developing the means to understand and know things in a world with no names or labels for anything, no memories or past, no time or space, or control over any of it. This eventually lead to Gods as convenient ways to explain what certain phenomena were, and those Gods in turn were used to dictate what other things were or should be for. All these things that we gave names to, labelled, understood, came to Know – for convenience and so we weren’t say, surprised twice by the same “rock”, and so that we could begin to control our paralysing fear of Nature and begin to get on with being the human “Race”.
This naming and understanding of ‘things’ is referred to as the creation of ‘Forms’. And Forms arose out of a necessity to control our innate fear of the unknown – something we still do as a core fundamental daily practice even today, millions of years later. 101 believes that Forms, once used as convenience, have become more like prisons by relying on consensus understanding of what something is, it can be more easily controlled. Forms are a means of control, and in many cases, are used by an existing established element in our entire social lives to control us. The concept of TIME for instance, or SPACE, or MATTER, are taken for granted and defined by those words – or at least seeks to be. Argument rages over everything, including matter, origin of the universe etc, because of two extra elements of the human condition – subjectivity and objectivity. Objectivity cannot be proved to exist because objectivity speaks for all of us and quickly runs into trouble because of subjectivity – subjectivity is what we feel or think we know and express it accordingly.
This process is further complicated by two additional conditions, the consciousness and the unconscious. Half the time at least, we do not know if we are in control or something else is – body language for instance, something noticeably lacking on the internet leading us to perform all manner of careful gymnastics and add lots of smileys for emphasis – is almost entirely unconscious but extremely important. The subconscious plays an extremely important but undervalued part of our consciousness that allows us to Be who we are, but is beholden to What we are beneath all our efforts to break free of a primal process far more complex than anyone has been able to figure out. Dreams for instance, slips of the tongue, body language, all signal things about our being we may not be comfortable knowing or are blissfully unconscious of – but each of us know the absolute terror the mind can evoke when having a nightmare or trying to get us to wake up to ourselves in a dream.
Furthermore, the conscious is ‘inhabited’ by the ego – a rule-maker and stasis keeping aspect of ourselves that resists a great many elements of what is actually occurring or about us, firstly by limiting information by passing it through filters and processes that change that information to accord with it; and secondly because the ego is a protective device that pushes back the subconscious atavistic side of ourselves that allows us to speak, think, and consider ourselves.
Add to this the societal norms, rules, cultures, laws, trends, what is popular, peer pressure, group dynamic, introvert/extrovert, personality, loyalties, prejudices, beliefs, and hundreds of other variables and we build a picture that the human being is extremely complicated – this is also evident in the fact that no-one has managed to replicate the most powerful computer we know, the brain.
This complication is our lot – we built it all – to gain control, and lose our fear. Our fear originates in coming from Non-Being into Being and having no way to deal with it thus giving rise to absolute terror until we somehow developed the means to survive it by not being afraid. Questions remain however over the origin of the human species. We use Forms in everything we do because it is our collective tradition from the beginning. This includes Satan. Satan is many things, as many as people want him to be or as few, he can be both until someone’s subjectivity tries to prove that their own thoughts are objective and writes down words or speaks to others. This process is where all human conflict emerges in trying to control the objective. Satan is an archetype that is unique for possessing the keys to struggling beyond all the layers we have built around ourselves in order to face the fear we carry in each of us but desperately hide from ourselves and others in everything we do.
The erosion, not just intellectually, but philosophically, of things like time, space, form, conviction, consciousness etc are things that 101 deals with in great detail – making many of the human processes used by the brain in everyday functioning to highlight how we miss, skip or paint information – in the hopes that the ego, that controlling function in all human beings, can be de-solidified long enough to allow in enough information to ‘compartmentalize’ the consciousness so that it realizes its own ego – and develops the –I- behind it.
For instance, I am acutely aware that in joining this group I am entering a new dynamic that has many written and many more unwritten rules. In being so friendly so quickly despite having great seriousness in the subjects I discuss, I may be perceived as flippant careless or insincere; In suddenly tearing apart what others use to stand on I realize all too well that I may be stepping on others toes and they may see me as a threat; I am also aware that without deference to those who own the forum I will not be welcomed; and perhaps most importantly aware that my considerable ego wants me to acknowledge the compliments and let itself be praised and worshipped – but the –I- behind that troublesome engine understands that that is the very minefield my work needs to avoid. Hence, I take a casual relaxed approach until I am involved in explaining a point.
Often times I refer to certain concepts briefly as given – but I have spent a long time writing them down in great detail, exactly how I think Form developed for instance is written down in ‘Theory of the Beast’ or my thoughts on subjectivity and objectivity in ‘Insynsian’.
I systematically take interest in the way logic, language, conversation, form, power-play, interaction of all kinds, beliefs and so on work. I also include psychology, sociology, human behaviour, linguistics, and any number of other social sciences and issues in my studies. That is, why they exist, where they originate from, what role they play in our conscious mind, what role they play in our unconscious mode, human behaviour, thought processes, leaps we make, processes we perform – all of these things are of extreme fascination to me and I have written thousands of pages of text trying to get closer to the heart of the matter of all of them. However, many of my own ideas were previously imprisoned by being part of a group or required to not say certain things do certain things and only in the last few months has there been a shift away from all groups and possessive forms in order to express my own thoughts without inserting propaganda or subliminal direction into them for the benefit of my former colleagues the ONA or Temple of THEM.
Trying to Know any of these things in any great detail has lead in the course of eighteen years to some extraordinary findings, some very powerful sadness, and yet some indefinable joy. It has constantly attacked ridiculed and hurt my ego with serious consequences – and time and again I have slipped into different modes of living, different personas, as my ego changed shape from the pressure I was putting on it. The ego doesn’t like to be disturbed, its evolution demands that it exert the least amount of energy in everything it does which is why we call all walls, Wall instead of looking for the difference between them, noting the polymer, what else in is that space, i.e. bacteria, paint, wood, or the shape as a plane, vertice, barrier, protective or supportive device, division, or even what it is to another species such as an ant, or so on. We don’t do these things because we require Control, Consistency, and above all – the absence of Fear. So, it hates to be disturbed, its hates to have things it uses to rely on as belief or conviction removed or attacked, it hates to be contradicted or thwarted, it hates having its stasis changed rapidly with new information, and its hates the idea of not being in control.
My approach is a long-learned means to bypass that conflict and work With the natural inclinations of the ego which I do not seek to threaten but enlist the aid of to get beyond it – because like it or not, everything we do requires the aid of the ego. Reading this requires it, writing back requires it, and breaking down the control the ego has over each of us, also, paradoxically, requires its help. That is why Satan helps – because of his powerful rebellious archetype he can help us to face our fears, tear down things we hold sacred, embrace darkness and terror with a smile, and get deeper into who we are than anything else can.
I believe that by breaking all these things down, the consciousness can be shifted out of the skull and a human-centred geometry which is prejudiced toward the world because of all these factors plus its size in relation to other things and become a life-centred geometry with a greater understanding and depth of our home and our place within in it. 101is a complex mixture of magical knowledge and scientific/biological knowledge dancing with one another in an attempt to truly understand and Change.

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#38714 - 05/21/10 02:16 AM Re: The 101 of 101 [Re: Khk]
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You talk about breaking down barriers of the mind, yet you often refer to Sigmund Freud’s idea of the Ego, conscious, subconscious (there’s also the id, the alter ego). Yet these terms might not actually be totally valid as to how the mind works. Might not be valid at all as a matter of fact. These terms might themselves be a chain of the imagination if you will. However, if someone wants to learn about Freud's theory of how the brain works, wouldn't they be better off to read HIS works then someone else's interpretation of them?

Many here have already worked out most of what you state here themselves in one form or another. I would go so far as to say that most of this site is geared towards those individuals who “get it,” or are on their way to getting it. Satanism 101 at this point is quite boring and unimpressive to many.

I can appreciate the time and effort that you have put into your own research, and attempting to explain it. On the other hand I also believe that it may be a waste of time to attempt to spoon feed Satanic principles to people. I don’t think that people can be taught how to think objectively, or freely without themselves exercising their brains and figuring out the nuts and bolts themselves. There are possibly hundreds of books that can show a person how someone else has figured it out for themselves such as the Satanic Bible, Might is Right, and works by Nietzsche, Ayn Rand and dozens of others. It’s all out there already, and those who truly want to understand it will have to put in years of time and effort to even begin to comprehend it and make it their own. It cannot be done for them.
Most who continually seek guidance and reassurance will never get it.

I like to say that Satanism is much like Poker, in that it takes a very short time to learn it, but a life time to master it.
Satanism also has something in common with the martial arts. Most enthusiasts think that after a few months they are grand masters, until a street fighter hands their asses to them ;\)


Edited by Asmedious (05/21/10 02:23 AM)
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#38724 - 05/21/10 11:43 PM Re: The 101 of 101 [Re: Asmedious]
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 Originally Posted By: Asmedious
You talk about breaking down barriers of the mind, yet you often refer to Sigmund Freud’s idea of the Ego, conscious, subconscious (there’s also the id, the alter ego). Yet these terms might not actually be totally valid as to how the mind works. Might not be valid at all as a matter of fact. These terms might themselves be a chain of the imagination if you will. However, if someone wants to learn about Freud's theory of how the brain works, wouldn't they be better off to read HIS works then someone else's interpretation of them?

--Hello Asmedious, I actually refer to Jung's concept of the ego, but please don't misunderstand my use of these terms as used either by Freud or Jung to isolate a completely defined field and description of the minds contents or its operations. Ego/Self/ID are a relatively accepted notion that form a convenient starting point enabling someone something to grab hold of to begin understanding where I am coming from in a subsequent and lengthy deconstruction of Everything. - I must use 'something' to communicate, some 'mode or model' to capture what I am trying to say in order to provide context and substance - but the essential meaning of any word or term is as fragile as the next. I believe the ego and self concepts are valid up to a point - then cease to be valid. My own theory uses Jung's work, but is not focused on re-telling it, but getting deeper into where it, and all other forms, emanate from. I would indeed recommend anyone interested in Freud or Jung to read their works for themselves - as indeed I would urge anyone interested in understanding my work to actually read it too.


Many here have already worked out most of what you state here themselves in one form or another.

-- On what do you base that? What I have said here is two of two thousand pages of what I have to say about things. You expect to much from me for an introduction \:\)

I would go so far as to say that most of this site is geared towards those individuals who “get it,” or are on their way to getting it. Satanism 101 at this point is quite boring and unimpressive to many.

-- Satanism 101? Do you mean Sinister 101? and "get what"? what is there to be gotten?

I can appreciate the time and effort that you have put into your own research, and attempting to explain it. On the other hand I also believe that it may be a waste of time to attempt to spoon feed Satanic principles to people.

-- It is a waste of time to spoon feed Satanic principles to people, yes. Heuristic methods on the other hand...

I don’t think that people can be taught how to think objectively, or freely without themselves exercising their brains and figuring out the nuts and bolts themselves.

-- Somewhat agreed.

There are possibly hundreds of books that can show a person how someone else has figured it out for themselves such as the Satanic Bible, Might is Right, and works by Nietzsche, Ayn Rand and dozens of others.

-- Yes, and I host many of them and many others in 101 - but not because of what they consciously say.

It’s all out there already, and those who truly want to understand it will have to put in years of time and effort to even begin to comprehend it and make it their own. It cannot be done for them.

-- Where do I say that it can?

Most who continually seek guidance and reassurance will never get it.

-- I think you misunderstand my intent and approach. Which is not to appropriate control of people's learning but contribute to the human collective.

I like to say that Satanism is much like Poker, in that it takes a very short time to learn it, but a life time to master it.

-- Master it? Master What? What is it that people are mastering exactly? a philosophy? why do they need the philosophy, any philosophy? why this concept that things can be mastered, or of things at all, why , why, why? And what is Mastery? knowing something completely? or what is available, completely? or what is the edge of knowledge, for someone, completely? What is completely? Everything we represent is too nebulous to be mastered - that is why we have a world filled with forms to begin with.

Satanism also has something in common with the martial arts. Most enthusiasts think that after a few months they are grand masters, until a street fighter hands their asses to them ;\)

-- What does that have to do with anything here? Are you a streetfighter that got your ass handed back to you?



Edited by Khk (05/22/10 12:17 AM)

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#38767 - 05/24/10 01:58 AM Re: The 101 of 101 [Re: Khk]
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To Kris,

I am grateful for the detailed information you gave in your never-ending pursuits of Satan as an archetype. You have provided examples given your defining labors pertaining to the concepts of knowledge, forms, and fear. The dialectical interpretation of each depends on the individual, and their readiness to understand the austere thought offered a group that you founded, Sinister 101, is up to them. I can appreciate all the work that you do.

Since your conative make-up is to 'play' in the Satanic field, and build knowledge onto knowledge because overbearing forms can rule out crumbling fear. The radical aspect of Satan being a rebel pervades in your postings. The brief discursive sentences I put forth were to give you a tender picture of the philosophy, intellection, and metaphysics I ascribe to which has to do with the advaitistic realm. Even though I like reading and studying about it, I cannot help but feel it's inadequate. It's not nihilism by any means, but through religious experiences; Satanism is a contender. Their is discrimination (good and Evil) present in our daily lives, and I am of the bent of Evil/darkness/black magic because it resounds with my inmost feelings. We all know about the Mind as written by prominent authors and practicians, and it's importance to defend against societal forces by it's own powers of senses. To repeat: We all can posit or question certain examples to give principles fruition.
[quote] [It has constantly attacked ridiculed and hurt my ego with serious consequences – and time and again I have slipped into different modes of living, different personas, as my ego changed shape from the pressure I was putting on it. /quote]
I can generalize with normalizing, and say that everyone faces similar situations.

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#38778 - 05/24/10 05:53 PM Re: The 101 of 101 [Re: paolo sette]
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"The radical aspect of Satan being a rebel pervades in your postings. The brief discursive sentences I put forth were to give you a tender picture of the philosophy, intellection, and metaphysics I ascribe to which has to do with the advaitistic realm."

Yes it does - but mainly because of bias and familiarity than any wide-spread knowledge of other archetypes suited to my particular 23 syndrome. For instance, you are the first person to use the word advaitistic - which, I have just looked up and found to be a vedantic non-dualist school of thought? I am all ears if you'd care to elaborate on your particular ascription. What I communicate through 101 is not Satanism - but Heuristic Method, using Satan archetypally as a vehicle. In Theory of the Beast I outline why I think Satan arose as an archetpy and the purpose he and any others like him, serve. Which is multi-tiered and indefinite due to being a force/idea captured in a word.

I don't see any problem with what you are doing - nor do I actively seek to dissaude you from a) being your own person and doing things your way, or b) accepting that my subjective understanding is objective. I would say however, that perhaps Evil comes in different flavours and perhaps my own is a fine grain. Perhaps too, what I am doing will come out to be evil rather than neutral as has happened in the past, destructive rather than constructive. How people use what I say I have no control over. That is something I have had to accept and learn to deal with.

Evil and Good, even if they can be shown not to exist outside of intellectual framework, or inside it as a simpistic dualistic projection that does not accurately reflect nature's endless sea of grey colours and blurry boundariers, are nevertheless inspired time and time again to come forth as words to describe other forces that occur all the time for a myriad of reasons.

If you are Evil, then that is your choice and your mode and your description with which you have chosen to appropriate yourself and who you are. It is not my concern philosophically, yet I would react to such persons in my sphere pending degree of evil and usefulness to the world and judge them on an individual basis. Here online, without being able to see how evil you are, or become emotionally involved in what you do to practice evil - I remain dutifully unaware of the extent of any damage you are doing to my self-imposed conceptualization of the world and work quietly in the shadows writing things to influence and balance people with ideas, showing how I break them down, providing my context, my heuristic methods, in the hope that people choose both, rather than just the one - working of course, in accord to my own private madness and wisdom and particular geometry.

I appreciate your candour Paolo.

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#38816 - 05/26/10 07:45 PM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: Khk]
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On the Origin of "Satan".

The following is taken from an extract of 'Theory of the Beast'. It forms a neat outline of my concept of the origin of forms arising out of chaos. I'd be very interested to hear anyone else's beliefs or understanding of how he and we came to be. Is anyone willing to put forth their thoughts on creation? I am not talking about thoughts on the literal origin, i.e. whether He was a jeiwsh invention, persian, or his roots in historical antiquity - I refer to his example of energy as a ubiquitous collective inhuman archetype that appears present in almost all cultures in some form or another as darkness, evil, wickedness... I would like to hear how others think all of This around us arose and the connection we have to it, biologically/psychically/magically. Of course, anyone feeling an overwhelming urge or simply possessed of startling clarity wishing to outline the history of Satan, may also feel free to join in.


"Before we gained the level of consciousness that allowed us to recognize ourselves as individual thinking beings separate from each other and the rest of the world, in fact before we were “humanity”, proto-man was ruled by base desires and savage primal instincts. At some point in our evolution we were able to suppress our ruling animal instincts long enough for Consciousness to arise. We eventually achieved a state of self-awareness that allowed us to appraise and wonder at our own existence. This unique state of self-awareness is referred to as the ‘I’ in Psychology and has long been regarded as the single-most fascinating achievement of the human organism. But the emergence of the ‘I’ came at a heavy price. In exchange for Consciousness, we had to forcefully drive our natural, raw instinct of what we were (the Collective Unconscious) back from the fore of our minds and forge a new artificial conscious collective agreement (the Collective Consciousness) on what we wanted to be.

To help do this, over time our species created, and then instilled, Values, Group Obligations and Right Conduct into and onto each other, further suppressing the raw state of our natural being to further the aims of our artificial one – which was a mass social form of indefinitely deferred gratification (having to wait for set conditions to arise before one can gratify ones natural desires). So long as we kept our primal dark forces [The Id] in check, we were able to get along with each other relatively well enough to develop groups and societies – usually ruled by a few, who used fear, violence etc., to enforce Law, Order, and instill conscious conduct.

Over a vast span of time, and as Consciousness spread, the majority of people developed an Ego strong enough to contain the Id indefinitely, or productively released it via outlets of creativity, dance, music, language, symbols, etc. A whole social matrix was built upon the attempts to keep the subconscious out so that our new state of independence could thrive and we began to cloak immediate needs and base desires within respectability and glamour. Such glamour is artifice; all humans contain the Id and all Conscious human beings are scorpions.] We also began to give names and labels to things to begin dispelling fear. The more names we created the more complex the world became. Today, there are so many names for things, and so many institutions to perpetuate more names, that we have forgotten its original point as an exercise in control. Because there are so many concepts and names and ideas that have been layered onto what really Is apparently there [which is geometry] and nameless, there are now millions of illusions that must be broken before a grasp of genuine reality can be achieved. Owing to the hardship required to break free from such illusions most cannot help but be entrapped by the deception of authority and the webs of the matrix.

But, those that made a religion of suppression were ill-prepared for the strength of their new enemy. The Id or “Beast” could not be tamed and the forces of the subconscious proved powerful beyond their wildest dreams. Although punishment was meted out to those unable to hold back the advancing forces of our primal being as a social admonishment to discourage others from releasing what was imprisoned within; suppression did nothing to sate our desires and urges to behave naturally. While some adopted the new Conscious collective agreement and joined the religion of holding back their impulsive urges, some followed only in part by practicing its release in private (or in public granted certain power); and still others refused (or were incapable) to suppress it at all, continuing to embody our original natural state of being that sought instant gratification.

Out of growing fear of the Beast to undermine our civility and our human-ness, we denied the unknown realm locked away within us that frightened us for its unpredictability, its cruelty and its propensity to erupt from the calmest human being. Such a force threatened to engulf the conscious accomplishments of humanity in chaos and destruction. In time, various Religions and magical tribes came to call signs of activity stemming from the subconscious by unfavourable names. In effect – A war was declared against the forces of ‘The Great Beast’, the opening psychic shot in a Mind War that would lead to all manner of dark masters/forces Named responsible for the horrors that issued forth from people – various Monsters, Deities, and Gods, and of course, “Satan”, all in a bid to control the subconscious. Other words crept in “Demons”, “Evil”, and so forth that led to wide-spread persecutions to stamp out the Beast. It did not take long for some to realize the power that came from interpreting existence for others… Yet those who suppressed the beast the hardest were often those most afflicted by its insurmountable power..."


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#38817 - 05/26/10 09:02 PM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: Khk]
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There are of course a great many angles to this life query.

Where did we come from? - I haven't answered that one, and since evidence is often buried and lost as empirically shown and demonstrated - it is likely we may never know. Perhaps if we knew we would be less interested in personal equity and more focused on collective gnosis - but it is a moot point to consider seeing how things are the way they are.

What is the world composed of and what are we composed of? If I close my eyes, I can reduce the world to blackness. At its most simple point, there is me - whatever I am, consciousnes, sentience, [Insert name here], life, a human being, organism, virus, bacteria, extension, electrical conductor... a force that I can feel owing to being the centre of that force, and something that resists me. the floor, my body, organs, skin, sensations - two worlds, one that I can term inner, one that I can then term outer, but neither is really either, and the puzzle grows.

The world is composed of an unknowable soaring crawling miasma of natural inclinations of such staggering complexity that names for things are our best effort to control and understand them. We can look at a horizon and say 'look at the mountains - aren't they beautiful' but instantly reduce the millions of myriad creations, the thousands of plants, ferns, mosses, and their lives, their chemicals, essence, smells, their origin, the little biospheres of the insects, the history of all the growth, the things it may have seen, taken part in, its shapes and colours and grades, its content, its matter, and so much more into a graphic image of a simple pointy shape. We reduce things - all the time - to the simplest level. Its the point of our language to do it, our human-centred geometry that habitually performs it. Almost all the time we remain unaware of it. And we quickly slip back into doing it even after occult practices have shown us something else beneath our collective perception - because everyone else does it. The world relies on it to build, harness, and subvert its surroundings into humanity's needs and whims. This is not speculation - it is observable, everywhere, anytime of the day, through one's own eyes. Is it subjective? My interpretation maybe, but the sheer number of people who perform this act and give rise to the architecture of the world the way they do is virtually unquestionable. I've theorized that this habit of ours, this reduction of things into names and forms to make them usable stems from an ancient origin in Fear, when our proto-people were born and passed from non-being into being, there was nothing, no ego, no words, no language, no thoughts, to insulate or make sense of the transition - resulting as it still does today in a screaming baby terrified by its emergence into the world around it. [qv. Physis of the Sinister] - fear explains everything that can be observed, because humans copy patterns and strive for consistency in everything they do. Even Chaos Magicians, Anarchists, and others who pride themselves on being different or against the norm, make only an arbitrary venture near the forces that govern us - in some sense, in a more accurate sense they do nothing more than carry out the same task everyone else does.

What we now build may not necessarily always be out of fear - yet consider the reaction people have when something is torn down, threatened, picked up and re-considered and changed, altered, moved around - it's considered highly ' inconvenient' but since that inconvenience is unconscious - erupts in conflict.

So Fear, is my take on Us - and our desire to control it. Led to everything, and still does. I suppoes what puzzles me with the occult is the resistance to actually getting to know what we are, why we do things, and the truths that surround us. The occult seems willing to hint at these things, but it seldom goes so far as to undermine its own credibility or 23 syndrome - it often seeks personal equity and champions nothing more than another form; there's lots of discussion over the difference between RHP and LHP - but nothing about the fear we all represent that make sus bring these forms forth as shields, as distractions, as convenient descriptions of our purpose that we suppose set us apart from the other side.

Time, Space, are both conveniences. They imprison us, control us, but neither exist. The power of suggestion, habit, tradition, forms - they enslave us. Though we can't admit it - we're not generally aware - precisely because of how forms work - yet we live and die by the clock.

The first human beings - how did they survive? Every indication today is that babys are helpless - what is the logical sequence of events that preceeded us?

Subjective rambling - do I trust my own convictions enough to cement them onto these pages as the truth? No - I'm a compartmental being, prone to inaccuracies, judgments, prejudices, bias, stupidity, wishfulness, mis-observation, interpretation, lying, ignorance as the next person. I also have a shadow, an ego, a motive, a subconscious, and forces pull and push me in every direction, many of which I may never be aware of. I have goals, aims, a certain outlook on the world, beliefs, and many other things and elements necessary to be who I am that make me who I am and influence what I say. I'm too variable an organism to really trust; only the strength and rigidity of my ego gives me the confidence arrogance and strength to be Sure. But I'm aware of its failings, of its inaccuracies, and its 23 syndrome. I'm aware of being convinced by a dozen forms and systems in truths that fell down and werne't what they appeared, even though they seemed so real at the time - is this another of those times? Almost certainly. Being wary of oneself is the truth, but it is an unpopular one.

Morality - did the world always split things into twos? Dark/Light/ God/Devil or was it artificially introduced? Since nature appears to have no divisions I would agree with her clues and pronounce morality artificial. Some texts say, invented by the Church, in which case, morality, as the umbrella so many fight and feud under, is the perfect weapon.

Supernatural/Ghosts/God - Well, I've seen God. Whatever it is. And that experience left a deep mark, a huge question mark ingrained about life and its potential purpose. I'd like to say that I didn't see God, esp. being a Satanist in many different ways all these years it would have been so much easier to forget and just hate god and christianity blindly like everyone else around me did. But, I can't deny what I saw. I certainly deny organized religion and the millions of spurious followers of "God" who do all kinds of decadent, selfish, atrocious things with its name on their lips. But I cannot deny what I felt and saw. On occasion I have seen ghosts too - and again wish I hadn't because that just made the world even more confusing. The whole architecture of life is set up to reduce, to make conveinent, to fit in, to sit down shut up and get on with running through the labyrinth - but I feel its not the only labyrinth and that weighs heavy on a 31 yr old man. Colours everything differently. Which is probably why my work is the way it is.

*shrug* And still, at 30, with knowledge I may live another 30-40 years, the world hasn't changed enough for all my efforts.
I guess at 30, you want to see the effects, see the impressions you make, see things change before your eyes, its an important part of your life to feel like you are making a mark. I guess if I keep writing for another 30 years maybe I'll get there. But I write so much because I'm worried I may not. Maybe when I'm 60 all this effort will pay off and forever change the dynamic of the human race. It's what Satan would want right?

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#38830 - 05/27/10 03:12 AM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: Khk]
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Satan would want you not to doubt yourself nor to give up.
patience is key to our workings he speaks to those who are ready to see and hear his commands.
hard work pays off as long as there is no doubt.
i have seen and done things that only many can imagine you just have to believe THELEMA, XEPER, DEITUS.

if individually you are capable of influencing people then as a whole you can influence the many,
its up to those people whether or not they want to listen.
the beauty about the sinister way is that those that are meant to come to you will come a)because there the best at what they do.
B) they are the all that is needed for that change.

if one person can remotely influence let say for example a dictator to do something bad using a ritual and for the sake of argument it works then imagine what twelve people could do.

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#38857 - 05/27/10 08:36 PM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: the earthly duck]
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Okay, now is the time to put up or shut up: What exactly have you done that many can only imagine?
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#38858 - 05/27/10 08:37 PM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: the earthly duck]
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A great deal of my strength and convictions lies in the fact that I continually doubt myself - its the crack in the egg that has stopped me from being a neo-nazi, killer, terrorist, or on the flip-side just lying down to die. I have doubted my magic and doubted my mundane self - propelling my self-identity back and forth between Mage and Moron. I am not superhuman, or inhuman, I am merely a human. Flesh and blood, tears and pain. What I have is a deep connection to the Earth and to myself - I have spent a lifetime bridging that gap between me and Her. She whispers secrets and those secrets reflect energies and truths extremely different and extremely difficult to share. There are good reasons THEM closed; good reasons 101 opened. I believe - I believe very strongly - but my roots are with Her - and what she believes makes our paper houses look ridiculous in the wind.

I am quite capable of influencing people - but there is a dangerous and very fine line between influencing and controlling. People have listened to me whether they want to or not, whether they agree or not - just as I have listened to those I agree and disagree with all my life.
What you are so right about regarding the Sinister is that those meant to come to Her will come; but by the same token, what is meant to pass, will pass. The Temple of THEM expressed from the very beginning its reluctance to imprison its message in a Temple, in a solid form, as something that could be grasped and turned, and rest on people's minds as a weight - because it only made it all the harder to explain what the Temple of THEM truly was - which never desired to become a form - never become an object - but to use forms to communicate with everyone else who speaks that language - an approach - back to Her.

If I can remotely influence the connection between Her and Us by Mvimaedivm, I can continue to erode the forms that imprison her secrets between the gaps. Twelve people could be a great thing - but they could also be destructive, short-sighted, and undo a lot of gain. It would depend on how well they Knew Thyself and therefore, Each Other.

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#39028 - 06/03/10 02:21 AM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: Khk]
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As it happens, it often turns out that no-one is generally willing to put forth their thoughts on how we all came to be here and what we are all doing; so I had to do it myself.

One of the things I have learned very quickly is that vast tracts of information regarding our history are gone forever - erased - or kept back. There is indeed a conspiracy for control over mankinds knowledge. The Vatican for instance, has a huge secret library filled with repressed knowledge. But much has been lost - and so we make our guesses based only on what is left. This appears to have had a very limiting effect on mankind's judgement and overall ethos - consider that Da Vinci invented the helicopter and tank 500 years before anyone else and consider what else might have been lost. [Here be Dragons] What I study however, is based only on what is presently available: universally and objectively - to everyone. My clues are not from comparisons of information and text written down in books and from others - but what is There right in front of my eyes. That is why my comments on Satanism and Life ring true - and why 101 is a very difficult and ambitious project; because people are deeply imprisoned in a box made for them long ago and have become lost in its angles.

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#39031 - 06/03/10 02:48 AM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: Khk]
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As it happens, it often turns out that no-one is generally willing to put forth their thoughts on how we all came to be here and what we are all doing;


I disagree. There are many scientific books and discovery chanel specials that deal with the origins of life from a few billionth of a second after the "Big Bang," all the way to today. If you don't like the big band theory, there's a bunch of others.

As for which theory people believe here it doesn't much matter. Sure, it may be interesting to occasionally discuss and ponder, but when all is said and done, it's not going to pay my bills, get me laid, or change my cat's kitty litter.

Don't get me wrong, I would love to know what actually happened before the big bang, and what was in the universe a trillion gazzillion years ago (although there were no years, since there was no earth going around the sun), but you know what I mean.
But for now, and perhaps for ever, all we have are theories, some better then others, but no one knows for certain, and even if they did, it might not matter that much other then being fun to think about.
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#39037 - 06/03/10 09:40 AM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: Khk]
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As for how we came here or to be, in the whole scheme of things does it matter much? It will all disappear when I am gone anyway. Still, I favor, a fucked up chemical reaction over a godform picking and placing planets and animals over 7 days.

History is written by the victors. Yet, information is still available if you look for it. Granted it may be in other languages, but if you look hard, you may be surprised at just what is available. http://stores.ebay.com/Schilb-Antiquarian-Rare-Books?_rdc=1 Granted having sums of money at your disposal does place the books in your hands faster. If you get out and look, you may be surprised at what falls into your hands. Plus some may be for free, http://www.nypl.org/locations/schwarzman/brooke-russell-astor-reading-room/rare-books-division

As for the Vatican, it's not secret if the whole world knows. They have the largest pornography collection because they must view it, before they can ban it.

As for your comment in regards to what is in front of your eyes, did you ever hear the story about the 7 blind men and an elephant? Each felt, touched, gripped, and heard something different, yet it was still one elephant.

Some people may be trapped in a box or a closet, but a lot of them are comfortable in their ignorance. They don't think they are lost, they think they are safe within the walls. Sometimes it is better to focus on your own journey than worry about those who will come after you.

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#39040 - 06/03/10 12:21 PM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: SkaffenAmtiskaw]
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I know I'm going off-topic with this, but this reminded me too much of something Wijesin once experienced during a discussion about his field of research. Someone had gone off on a tangent involving a different field of research, and to get back on track the person said "But all that is of academic interest only."

"...But wait, we *are* academics. Let's discuss it anyway!"

There is interest and benefits to be had in investigating the past, but it all boils down to what rocks your boat.

As is indeed the case with the OP here; discussing and debating what works for you.


Point taken and understood, and you are completely on target. My bad.
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#39065 - 06/04/10 11:30 PM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: Asmedious]
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Hello again, Asmedious.

I refer to no-one generally inclined to comment on forums such as these - not the vast mountains of attempts forming more books and speech than one could ever hope to read/hear.

You make a good point - all we have are theories - intellectually speaking. And another, in that we have lost the information long ago and it will probably never come back. Our origin, purpose (if we have one) etc, all gone in the fires of time.

But - we still have our existence. Five senses. And an inarguable position from which to assert it. There are clues still available - right now - to everyone universally - regarding the true nature of those questions. The interesting thing is that all of the theorists explain life the same way by breaking it down into various forms and pepper it with thousands upon thousands of names and words/equations to define it - and from my pov, that only obscures it all the more by multiplying the distortion effect that forms have on life.

As for which theory people believe here it doesn't much matter. Sure, it may be interesting to occasionally discuss and ponder, but when all is said and done, it's not going to pay my bills, get me laid, or change my cat's kitty litter.

On the contrary - precisely because belief is such a powerful weapon and utility what people believe matters a great deal and has and has always had, global consquences when people believe it in sufficient numbers or intensity. What people believe and have believed is precisely why bills, kitty litter, and getting laid became the important focus in general in human societies. Moreover, it is behind the reason you place yourself at the centre of your universe and refer to your bills, you getting laid, or you changing the kitty litter. You have a human-centred geometry rather than a life-centred geometry precisely because society encourages it, and it encourages it because of its beliefs, set into laws, legislation, and enacted and enforced by those who also believe or are paid to believe it.
'Entertainment' for instance.


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#39066 - 06/04/10 11:34 PM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: Morgan]
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Yes someone else told me this. And it is perfect for illustrating my point - which is that we call all that mass and substance and the space it occupies, the millions of secret little worlds that live within it, its memories, its purpose, its shape and colours and textures, its meaning, and bind it using letters and words - as an 'elephant'.

This process, is extremely useful insofar as it helps control fear and give us a grounding from which to proceed making sense of things - BUT - it is a process that has been taken too far, way too far, and now encumbers the human spirit and mind with a clutter of angles that belief in - can be extremely damaging to collective human life.

I want to lessen those angles so that people re-consider what it is that is before them in all its glory and natural awe - before dismissing it as an 'elephant'. It is far more and far more secretive than an 'elephant' - has more to it, more than we have even yet come to discover and yet we use the same approaches, floundering back and forth in dark water making the same mistake with one form after another. [I suggest another approach.][

I.e. when we call the elephant Islaam, for instance, or 'terrorists' we limit what is really there, limit all people and things to simplistic lazy dismissals - leading us further and further away from collective self-empowerment and gnosis and further into the chains of ignorance and slavery, individually and collectively.

Thank you Morgan, for the analogy.


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#39071 - 06/05/10 02:08 AM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: Khk]
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Glad you liked the Elephant.

I understand your dream, it seems for you akin to writing the great american novel. Which is fine, but most people can't read.

"when we call the elephant Islaam, for instance, or 'terrorists' we limit what is really there, limit all people and things to simplistic lazy dismissals - leading us further and further away from collective self-empowerment and gnosis and further into the chains of ignorance and slavery, individually and collectively"

When you chose to define an object/idea/memes you give it boundaries/limits/ or rules. Those limits are safety nets for some people who need them to feel safe and secure. For those people there will never be true self-empowerment, or an end to their unknowing personal ignorance, slavery or blindness. They are not afraid per say, they just don't have the mental wiring to think outside the box. They keep and cling to their beliefs not so much out of fear, but because of comfort. It's their big armed Daddy coming to hold them and take care of them so they don't have to worry or think about anything except the bliss they will find in heaven sitting near him. It's the idea that "god" will take care of them and provide for them that also comforts them, hence the 72 virgins or wings and halo's for others.

It has historical uses as well, if you make the peasants/serfs think that this life doesn't matter and the next one does, they will suffer anything. They believe the meek will inherent the earth, when the life expectancy was maybe 30ish, it was an easy push.

Those of us who look towards and experience our own personal "gnosis" or grail quest or journey down the solitary dark path already know that there are many sides to everything. There comes a point where there is no black/white/grey. It's all the same yet not. You have to be able to see, discuss, and argue from all sides of any issue so that you can understand just what that "elephant" is.

I think you wrap too much importance around the word fear.
If a person was truly afraid, then growth of any kind would not be possible, and even daily living would be too much for some, they would stay locked in a closet or eat a gun.

If you want a motivating force, maybe inner happiness is the key. People do stupid things for love and happiness. They climb mountains, move miles, travel unseen oceans, and generally try to be a better person to earn/win the love/respect of those with whom they feel this inner happiness with. I think sometimes finding your own true inner happiness can be the hardest thing in the world for some people.

Cheers,
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#39407 - 06/19/10 03:34 AM The Tension of Fear and Love [Re: Morgan]
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It is true that fear and our origin in it has had a profound effect by causing us to strive for its absence. But whilst we may each be the product of terror in gestation – the effects of this fear have brought forth powerful coping mechanisms to use our fear to our advantage. Whatever the word ‘fear’ attempts to denote in reference to a raw stimuli – ‘love’ is another word that conveniently captures its absence. I mean the term in no sense a moral turpitude as it is commonly used today – but merely a word to denote the secondary experience to fear which provides the tension of opposites by which we function.
I have chosen the word Love to represent the absence of fear, not for its association with morality, but for its ability to express a ‘for’ as a tension to the ‘against’; Love is “The” universal purpose and reason in humanity to survive, endure, and overcome that which it is suddenly thrust into through no choice of its own. Love is that which has to come into being if fear is to be overcome and Being to have a reason to flower from the dark and survive in its new home; Nietzsche’s “YES”.

The unconscious, animal tendencies of humanity obviously did everything they could to understand the world into which they were born. They named everything they could, founds words and sounds, symbols and pictograms, cave drawings and mythology to depict the mysteries of the world around them. They came up with creation and endtime stories and gods to explain the sun and the moon and the stars, and the cosmology of the world; gave names and attributes to plants, animals, rocks, gems, metals, other people, family, food, safety, danger etc in order to make sense of it, in order to survive it. They ‘loved’ the world so that they would not fear it. And the more they understood over time the less frightened they became, and the more they were able to do. Giving things names is held to be a ‘primitive’ means of giving things power – but it is insulting and ignorant to consider this habit a relic of cave-men; it is in fact more common today than any other time in history since we have inherited the world at a time when there are more names for things and more emphasis on giving names to things than has ever existed than at any other time.
We have dissected space and matter in thousands of fields down into infintessimal levels and still we continue doing so - have travelled further into space and found more stars planets and phenomena, explored the depths of the sea, under the ice, and have electronic maps for more earth-based landmarks than any time in the past, and have more information about the global totality of land including street maps that show pictures of our houses, and an ultra-sophisticated level of personal identity databanks to monitor us including DNA, fingerprinting, and even eye scanners. It represents a level of detail and abstraction greater than any of our historical predecessors ever had – and requires an equally sophisticated array of new names as well as the continued use of old names.

Every little social event or idiosyncracy seems to require it’s own word or combination of two words and we have a global interface containing more information than any human being could ever digest with millions more names for things than ever before. If we cannot name something – we treat it suspiciously and with hostility. If it cannot be quickly categorized and boxed away into definition we struggle to comprehend it, so used are we to using names and labels, and filters that simplify things such as forms, morality, and language to lean on as the means of understanding the world around us. Our efforts to explore and understand via knowledge though, reached a point somewhere where blindness began to occur without the crutch of names to tell us what things are – a process we’ve gotten so used to. There are thousands of examples of what can happen when people believe something is something it actually isn’t.
We reached a point where love came to conquer reason.

According to the present consensus theory of evolution, the ego – was one means that emerged out of the unconscious which could consciously consider its own existence and make greater sense of things. It was a developmental leap that may well have been encouraged to emerge as a defense against fear – for it is the ego that orients itself into the world by means of relativity, building a world-view that provides relative stability and safety, sense and reason, place and power. But something happened that made the ego so strong we began to prefer names over the blinding rawness of nature unnamed and in treating the names as given, we ironically lost touch with the world as she is from our mad dash to understand it.
The habit of ‘seeking to understand’ was no doubt carried over by natural selection as a valuable tool crucial to human survival in its gestation. It is a largely unconscious process that we later repeat the habit without knowing why because while we may not have the faculties to comprehend our experience of transition into Being at that early stage – on some level, we are affected nonetheless, and intrinsically scarred.
Later the means developed that allow us to control ourselves, others, and the world around us by splitting its totality into ‘separate’ things inc. Maths, History, and Science.
I believe that the habit of doing this has been going on so long and so fervently that we are each born into a world that has been collectively oriented toward this unconscious goal since forever and that its specific architecture and mode of being reflects that. We rush to name our child, declare it a boy or girl, dress it in pink or blue (these colours were once reversed, blue was the colour to denote a girl, pink, a boy) and spend all our time educating them in the ways of the world often without questioning those ways just so the child will fit in to the social paradigm as seamlessly as possible and begin the process over of learning to cover the world with names and treat those names as the essence of things.

In doing it we’ve passed through many interesting stages – but eventually we’ve lost all touch with magic and the subtler energies that rule us, burying them under mountains of abstractions in order to subjugate the world to our will. We concerned ourselves with words and interpretations to get to the heart of things – but somehow ended up being unable to transcend what our tools told us. We no longer percieve our connection with the world as it is, as part of it, as being inexplicably part of all of it – and grow more distant from it with every passing day and every new word, burying what is under what we are used to telling it to be.
To this day we are imprisoned by the causal effects of our great escape and forms of every shape possess people like puppets, driving them to perform all manner of actions in the name of the Word: in the name of Love.

Love and Fear, are one and the same beautiful a priori dance; a dance that gave rise to popular applause and every variant of dualism that dully reflects, vaguely rememebrs, our ancient origins in a staggering number of duo-divisions. It is the resonance, archetype, meme, habit, behavioural pattern, or echo of nature that is in us all, that gave us our first lesson in life as life. It’s what we all remember to forget. But some part of us, remembers alright.
Crudely percieved, this process is prone to colour our interpretive processes, to split and divide into base dualism, rise to the surface as an energy of divisions, of us or them. But percieved without fear – the process is beyond compare, just one of many intricate miracles of creation and natural majestic dynasty of the wonder that is in all life.
It is the Neither of all things. Fluxing back and forth and pulsing between control and abandon – knowledge and wisdom – order and chaos. There is no division, no neat line that can be drawn anywhere in nature between anything – nowhere to even begin trying to fathom her mysteries that surround us on all sides and threaten to engulf us in the sheer numinous terror of it all. And so we make divisions, we make a language that makes divisions, and we keep making as many divisions as it takes to keep out the fear.


THROUGH FEAR, THE LOVE

What are the tensions of opposites? They are a marvellous human achievement prone to abuse, an ingenious trick of language to qualify its own existence. We know what something is only by comparing it with something else. Neither the first thing nor the second thing can be explained in isolation. ‘Evil’ exists only from there being tensions against which to compare it. This applies only to forms – the author does not suggest that actions that can scarcely be called anything but evil cannot be recognized in the world – they can – I merely assert that evil’s name is a convenience by which Good can exist. Many things can be attributed as ‘evil’ by virtue of calling it so. It’s name is substantiated as real by equally illusory tensions, Evil is then defined by comparing it to Good, and Good by its comparison to evil. To this balanced equality of tensions supporting each other a foundation is built to which can then be attached all manner of further associations.

The world-wide organization The Illuminates of Thanateros use an ancient tension of ‘Sex’ and “Death’ energy that has long been held to be symbolic of the foremost magical gates. Peter Carroll even developed this mantra into the ‘Alphabet of Desire’; a unique and powerful system of ‘complementary dualisms’ on the basis of tension. Against Love they placed Hate, against Sex they placed Death, against Fear they placed Desire – (They were not looking for the means to explain the origin of abstracts, but to balance abstracts against one another for the purpose of providing tension in between two tools.)
David Lynch’s ‘Twin Peaks’ series gave a compelling portrayal of these energies also, dispelling the moral certitude of ‘Good and Evil’ as opposing sides in favour of representing actual psycho-physical states devoid of religiosity to describe the tension between them – a tension which is the magic itself. The ancient symbol of the Yin Yang performs a similar function while Aleister Crowley also spoke at length of a sideward force that met between upwards and downwards forces – a secret mastery of the ‘between’ that is also practiced and explored by the sorcery of THEM.

It would be tempting to say that Fear and Love are the same thing – but there is a distinction that must be made between calling the forces involved by names, and that names have been used to describe those forces. As ‘Fear’ and ‘Love’ they are not one force but two. These words represent an abstract tension by which to grasp something that cannot be understood without a tension. They represent just one of many possible names for the tensions of forces that cannot be captured in language but are universally directly accessible to each of us through other senses.

Actions performed in the name of Love/Fear may even be similar; someone may run through a hail of bullets because they fear not seeing a loved one, or run through a hail of bullets because they love a loved one – in either case, Love and Fear as words describing emotions or motivations are interchangeable.
However, feeling fear is to embrace nature, turns our face its terrifying spectre: whilst feeling love is to hide from it. Love is the means to control the overwhelming experience of nature –nature we are of. Tensioned opposites work this way – and indeed they are the only means humanity has devised to make language work. Generally, only through ‘Love’ can Fear be understood – and handled – but there are more ways to understand, more senses with which to percieve available to us for doing so – than the limiting prison of words.

FIRST CAME FEAR…

Why am I so sure that our first ‘reaction’, if you can call it that, is fear? Why don’t I believe it to be Love? Or Bliss, for example? Well - there is no way I can ever know either way. In being able to experience and describe what my own actions and state of being tells me about it I am provided a unique vantage point into my Being.
Empirically, however, our actions leave clues, and those clues lead me to believe that such actions can be traced back to a prime cause that is not grounded in an abstract, but in the universal experience of physiological fear.

As there is no way for me to personally observe, compare and certify the minutiae of pre-fetal or fetal development to draw further conclusions – or for that matter exists any infallible data gathered on the mysterious emergence of the human Being – it being a theoretical science at best - I have had to work backwards from what is observable to make a connection between what we do and why we do it.

In part two, I discounted the idea that we had the means to control or limit nature when we first became aware of being because of a lack of developmental progress in the human organism. At such an early stage, it is questionable as to whether we can possess faculties of comprehension for the experience of emotions or reception of psycho-physical stimuli prior to developing these kinds of senses more fully as babies, and later the co-ordination and mental acumen held to be the prime means for comprehension as adolescents and adults. By my own logic, that could rule out that it is possible to feel anything at all, or possible to determine what we feel if anything, including fear – and yes, those are possibilities.

I believe that if the fully-fledged phenomenon of habit which consumes the human race is logically traced back to its causal beginning, habit contains the seeds to provide evidence of my assertions. Hypothesis: we are first profoundly afraid, and this is our baseline. We then somehow experience an absence of that fear, which absence actually defines fear by the contrasting state of such absence. We prefer fear’s absence to fear and endlessly struggle to replicate that which brought about the absence. This process colours all subsequent processes which are compared against the criteria of the first process: to avoid fear. This becomes habitual not through choice, but for survival – wherein humanity’s habit of exploring, conquering, naming and “understanding” the world through knowledge stems from the need to limit the boundaries of chaos, the threatening resemblance to that original meeting with nature, that an unnamed world, viz. raw nature, represents.

If our first reaction was Bliss – where would be the need to struggle, and what would explain our desperate scramble to name everything, understand everything, conquer everything, and continue to push our boundaries further and further in order to increase the quantity of all of these? Where would be the impetus to Know? And even if our first experience was ‘perfection’, was Love, and that state of Eden was suddenly interrupted by something ‘else’ that caused us to fall out of that perfect state into an ‘other’ state; I cannot see that the order of experiences would make any significant difference in our either trying to return to perfection, or get away from fear, our whole life-long. If Bliss were first, then it means we fell out of Love and are trying to get back to it. If fear were first, then it means we were shocked in the transition from non-being to being as our first experience and this set the base-line from which Love, the absence of fear emerged. Just as I have quoted dozens of examples of the power of fear to motivate human beings – Love too, a phenomenon born of Fear, is capable of laying claim to just as many superhuman feats to maintain anchors and stability to life, as fear.

I have made this assertion based on what I believe to be a universal behaviour of humans that carries over into all subsequent experience as our first habit. I have characterized some of the diversity of lengths humans will go to in the previous chapter to avoid fear to back my assertions; but there are more compelling arguments – including argument. Humans build things, lots of things, and then add to them, changing the face of the world with huge thriving cities, sprawling suburbs and the power of technology.

The mundane human existence replicates a mode of bovine drudgery and physical boundary that presents itself at all known times – we hunger, thirst, feel pain, excrete, lust, fight, survive, act, in a universal fashion irrespective of the superimposition of fanciful ways of life and philosophy.
For all the grand theories such as quantum, or relativity that we like to use to define life or the way it works – these heroic encapsulations are not a transcendence of life, but born of the need to control life, explain it, work with it, bring it and its nauseating complexity to some sort of heel.
That is why terms like ‘Sinister’ come about, why term’s become imbued with meaning, why terms can be imbued with different meanings, how they are imbued with meaning, or constrained with morality; why we use terms at all, and why we do everything we do; because Nature is so terrifying in her formless totality when she is not conquered and ‘knowable’ – that we have no choice but to struggle against the memory of our Original fear of Her.

To forget is to know love. To remember is to know fear.

IN CONCLUSION

It would be easy to render this work an exercise in Nihilism or despair – a defeatist view of the world in which all that we do is determined by the nature of the process of Birth. Stripping away every piece of flesh by trying to move to a discussion beyond abstractions is a difficult task; some might say an exercise in futility. But I believe that this reductionism is the means to shrug off the chains that even dare label themselves as the means to shrug off chains, that it is a positive re-affirmation of Being rather than a negation, and that each of us do feel the fear I speak of, and are motivated by it; whether we accept it or not. We are each capable of observing how what we do is rooted in fear, whether positive or negative; fear of not being seen or fear of being seen for example; unite in the prime causal factor of innate fear – a key to our survival, our agreement to form societies, and a protective device ingrained in each of us to do what is necessary to avoid being afraid.
Whether or not we accept that what we feel is afraid is another thing all together – the possible truth that we all act to build forms over the formless world because we are afraid of it and ourselves, of Being itself – is understandably an extremely painful pill to swallow, for such an accusation strikes hard at our humility, or should I say our pride, and threatens the very machine and its work that drives us to ignore such dangerous thoughts and cover the world with our dreams, fantasies, illusions, forms, and humanity. Yet I feel that if more could embrace the knowledge of this original fear, perhaps we could consciously accept it and move past it – get a better understanding of why we do certain things and stop doing them – perhaps even change the ageless legacy of a world running from itself by its collective architectural shrines to inherited fear.

Yet, I suspect there are very few who will be magically and mentally divided in such a way so as to have a separate say about the matter from behind the rehearsed speeches of their ego and its legion of protective devices designed and established especially to FORGET. Love vs. Fear is after all, the Physis of the Sinister, the Physis of all things, and of ‘things’. And this is why those who disagree with me must be allowed to disagree; Love is all we have.

I seek to Remember the darkness into which we were thrust that has caused so much damage and despair to the human race even as it has caused so much love and wonder – to look and pierce beyond the mazes of abstracts thrown forth that get tangled in one another and only end up attacking and defending the realm of abstractions.
I feel the fear coming from humanity, from myself, and I want to know it – I don’t want to be afraid – or others to be afraid – and so I seek to face it and Her in all Her terrible glory. Tellus Uber Alles.

[Extracted from 'The Physis of the Sinister (version 4)' [Part 3]

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#42333 - 08/24/10 01:29 AM Re: The Tension of Fear and Love [Re: Khk]
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http://o9adarkplanet.wordpress.com

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#42335 - 08/24/10 01:40 AM Re: The Tension of Fear and Love [Re: Khk]
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Dude, you get away with so much sometimes.

Please elaborate on your post.
One line posts are frowned upon, and after all this time, you should know better.

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#42396 - 08/25/10 02:20 AM Re: The Tension of Fear and Love [Re: Morgan]
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For you Morgan, anything.

This is the new O9A Nexion, Dark Planet, those familiar with Sinister 101 or the works of Ryan Anschauung may find greater depth and understanding of the difficult path of the Seven-Fold Way (Esp. as concerns the transition from the Sun to the Martian Sphere) and various angles of the Sinister and all its stands for in alliance with the Order of Nine Angles, within its radiance.


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#42406 - 08/25/10 09:19 AM Re: The Tension of Fear and Love [Re: Khk]
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The excerpt from the "ANARCHY COOKBOOK VERSION 2000" read on said site says much.

On using stolen credit card numbers;

"The best place to order from is catalogues, and mail order houses. It is in your best interest to place the phone call from a pay phone, especially if it is a 1-800 number. Now, when you call, don’t try to disguise your voice, thinking you will trick the salesperson into believing you are an adult. These folks are trained to detect this, so your best bet is to order in your own voice."

Remember kiddies don't disguise your voice to sound adult.

~T~
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#42445 - 08/25/10 03:26 PM Re: The Tension of Fear and Love [Re: ta2zz]
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Kris' [Khk] new o9a blog is a mock or parody. Kris at the religious forums has admitted that his wild rants on and about his "sinister 101" was unproductive, and has decided to engage in more "productive" online activities such as troll and mock the o9a.

Kris has made it quite clear here in another thread, and elsewhere that he hates the o9a and will never "come back ever!"

The blog is entertaining. His actions are even more entertaining and obsessive. But I would not take everything at this said blog at face value.
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#42477 - 08/25/10 09:43 PM Re: The Tension of Fear and Love [Re: Caladrius]
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 Originally Posted By: Caladrius
Kris' [Khk] new o9a blog is a mock or parody.

I know him here as KHK I care little what his Christian name is or whatever he calls himself elsewhere.

 Originally Posted By: Caladrius
Kris at the religious forums has admitted that his wild rants on and about his "sinister 101" was unproductive, and has decided to engage in more "productive" online activities such as troll and mock the o9a.

I wouldn’t know I don’t stalk him over various forums.

 Originally Posted By: Caladrius
Kris has made it quite clear here in another thread, and elsewhere that he hates the o9a and will never "come back ever!"

Yeah now that you mention it I do remember something along those lines being said. Alas it had little meaning to me then so I filed it under who cares…

 Originally Posted By: Caladrius
The blog is entertaining. His actions are even more entertaining and obsessive. But I would not take everything at this said blog at face value.

Obsessive like reading everything he says on multiple forums? \:\)

Don't worry I don’t take much of anything at face value.

Thank you for the enlightenment I now have a different respect for KHK his intelligence and his humor.

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PS. I must admit I ended up reading through most of TAC it was quite nostalgic if nothing else…
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#42482 - 08/25/10 10:55 PM Re: The Tension of Fear and Love [Re: ta2zz]
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Actually Tats I wasn't directing my post at you or any one here specifically. It was more for a mutual audience that me and Kris share... hence I use a name that this mutual audience knows him by. To clarify a few things if you will. How people here see him and what they make of him is beyond my interest and care. I have my personal business to see to, if you will. Now if you will excuse me.

Edited by Caladrius (08/25/10 11:16 PM)
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#42488 - 08/26/10 01:33 AM Re: The Tension of Fear and Love [Re: ta2zz]
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The Anarchists cookbook is outdated and flawed in many ways, but it was donated by a member of 600 club and given due course. Besides, since when did providing factual information on matters concern people?
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#42489 - 08/26/10 01:43 AM Re: The Tension of Fear and Love [Re: Caladrius]
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On the contrary, DARK PLANET is not a parody, but the ebbing of enigmatic forms that arose in the Sun Sphere and have passed into the Mars Sphere, whilst following the complexities of the ONA Tree of Wyrd. What is said and where and when, leaves only a trail of external appearances which the untrained and un-adept may percieve as indications of motive and intent, including our untrained Mistress Ortega (Caladrius) whose interest in the ONA is commendable but still lacks the ability to percieve esoteric currents beneath forms. This is interesting because she herself wrote an article on the freeze-fram of perceptions re: Myatt, but as is the typical path of Initiates, has not yet attained that awareness as an unconscious function, but mere intellectual passing fancy.

Sinister 101 presents some forms and writings of the Solar aspect of the Tree of Wyrd, and the enlightened height of information I achieved in terms of Wisdom into things and myself - but even this stage must pass and a new sphere be entered, that of War and Destruction. As a formidable ONA advocate (heh I almost wrote avocado) for more than ten years and having contributed more publically through my open and clandestine support than many other initiates, only Myatt knew the truth behind these last few years of escapades, which contrary to perception are not rejections but mere reflexions of the infinitely complex Tree of Wyrd. See the Seven-Fold Way Forum at yahoo for more information.

'Kris' like Khk' or 'Ryan' or a dozen others are shades of a complex creature who has developed his alchemical path irrespective of criticism and form, much like his predeccesor and Grand Master of the ONA, Anton Long, who set the example which I have followed. My walks have shown me that we are all more than the sum of our parts, and this simplicity od dualism and moralism, of speaking as though we were one singular personality is flawed and cumbersome. I may not be understood, and there was a time that I went out of my way to explain, but the stupid have no patience, and no nous. It is irrelvent to be understood at the time of ones forms manifesting, and better to move without asking permission.

Incidentally, Sinister 101 has consistently had more supporters than O9As inner sanction, despite Chloes uninsightful (but understood) jibe that I should forever live in their shadow, quoting my own words back to me concerning the WSA.

These short-sighted misunderstandings are to be expected and endured on any genuine Sinister path, which I shall be on and have been on, for many many years.

Im glad you enjoy my blog, but I must suppress a chuckle in your comments regarding taking everything at face value. You are still in thrall to forms as of yet, but be patient, with time and persistence and demonic intent you may one day be a Great Adept.

In the meantime, sit back and learn.



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#42490 - 08/26/10 01:45 AM Re: The Tension of Fear and Love [Re: ta2zz]
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Of all things Satanic, a GREAT sense of humour is the Dark Lords must. heh heh.
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#42491 - 08/26/10 01:54 AM Re: The Tension of Fear and Love [Re: Caladrius]
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Lol, a "mutual audience" - dont dis Dave like that. Your "mutual audience" has a plan for you, and a plan for me. And never the twain shall meet, my young apprentice.
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#42492 - 08/26/10 02:24 AM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: Khk]
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#42493 - 08/26/10 02:35 AM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: Khk]
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Oh, haha I just saw you other comment, mock and troll the 09a...

Firstly, theres no mocking by DARK PLANET, my ebbing Solar Time has shown me the inevitable forces of Kali Yuga and that mankind refuses to save itself no matter how enlightened ones context or perception may be, there is and only ever has been, your misunderstanding at the higher planets whilst viewing them from the moon sphere, or maybe you are in the path of the luna-venusian transfer which would explain your blinding enamourment with ecstasy and lust, form and confusion... If anything, the other nexions of the ONA need to step up and lift their game now that Dark Planet is on TV. You should in fact be encouraging friendly rivalry among nexions if you want the ONA to grow, not whining when someone does something better than your current retailers. Embrace change...

Secondly, if I were mocking the ONA, and I recommend others try it to really understad ALL facets of this gem the ONA, not just the pretty ones in the shallow end, I'd find it rather poor form than you actually complained about it given your own penchant for specialized tactics of subterfuge and propaganda! lol.

Where the hell is your sense of humour, and why havent you realized the manic power of laughter in the Sinister yet, sister?

'Japes' indeed.





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#42494 - 08/26/10 03:00 AM Re: The Tension of Fear and Love [Re: Khk]
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 Originally Posted By: Khk
'Kris' like Khk' or 'Ryan' or a dozen others are shades of a complex creature who has developed his alchemical path...


I see you've made some great progress with your psychosis: You've begun to refer to yourself in the third person. You'll know you've passed the bar into full blown insanity when you don't finish sentences you started.

I have always pitied you like the cripple you are. I'm a compassionate and understanding person Kris. You just seem to always misunderstand my good intentions.

For instance when I asked you last year to go on vacation a while and seek professional help, I meant it. I only wished that you take a break from the internet and check yourself into a ward to fight your addiction to Methamphetamines. Remember THEM backwards spells METH!

But you threw a tantrum like a bitch - as you often do with me - and huffed and puffed and blew your own house down. You poor crippled meth head you. How can I be so sinister as to hate someone so miserable, so pathetic like you. You who spend so much time in at least three different places writing pages upon pages of senseless platitudes; as one can expect of a meth addict who has a divine revelation.

Now I suppose you and your sockpuppet(?) have found yourselves a new venue to try. You have my full blessing Kris. I give you one advice: Go get a few pointers from Blackwood. He's been doing this longer then you; this obsessive compulsive anti-o9a thing. And take a close look at him, because that will be you in 10 years.

Since you have your "o9a" nexion spitting game here, I see no need for me here any longer. One of our mutual friends was right. He said a year ago when you left o9a that you will forever remain in the shadows of the o9a because you really have no where else to go where people will believe half the shit you talk about with all your Aryan Sorcery, Sinister 101, teacher of the dark tradition shit. He was right. You actually never left fully. You lurk in the shadows.

You disappoint me. I believed in you. Just kidding. I knew you were a failure the first day I read your insane pseudo-intellectual rants 2 years ago.

Anyways have fun entertaining yourselves. By "yourselves" here I mean you Kris, Khk, Ryan, Tenepres Ra, Kelly, Jacqueline, Humberto, and your other 20 alter egos. I'll give you some credit though Kris, you got Aquino beat. He's only got on alter ego or special friend. You are your own legion of friends lol. "We are Legion..." What movie was that from?

Have fun here. I'm removing myself from this thread. I just wanted to clarify a few things for our mutual audience. By that I don't mean DM, I meant my associates. You know, all those people who think you're crazy. We would have made a great team Kris. Bye.
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#42498 - 08/26/10 07:36 AM Re: The Tension of Fear and Love [Re: Caladrius]
Dimitri Offline
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Actually Tats I wasn't directing my post at you or any one here specifically. It was more for a mutual audience that me and Kris share... hence I use a name that this mutual audience knows him by. To clarify a few things if you will. How people here see him and what they make of him is beyond my interest and care. I have my personal business to see to, if you will. Now if you will excuse me.

Heh, you sound like the "bulldog" of ONA, biting and scratching the bad persons away from a flock you are mending.
I think people adhering to the "sinister way" will soon notice who stands corrected and who isn't within.
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#42525 - 08/27/10 02:27 AM Re: The Tension of Fear and Love [Re: Caladrius]
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Water off a ducks back.

Chloe.

Cant we all just get along.

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#42526 - 08/27/10 02:35 AM Re: The Tension of Fear and Love [Re: Khk]
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No-one owns the ONA.

I can step in and return to running my Traditional Nexion if I please, I dont need you to sanction it, it is official
by my hand, the only hand that matters.

And just because I like to laugh, doesnt mean Im not still capable of lopping someones hands and feet off and burying them alive in a box.

Cmon Chloe. In the immortal words of Diet Coke ' Lighten Up '. ;\)

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#42528 - 08/27/10 03:45 AM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: Khk]
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"You know, all those people who think you're crazy."

Am I crazy? Myatt was called crazy once cause people didn't understand his methods. I've helped thousands understand. His dislocated sentience, his manipulation of forms, his aeonic theories and alchemical masterpiece, and they called and still call him crazy because he was a nazi, a satanist, a muslim, - outwardly and inwardly, at one time or another, but people ares quite stupid Chloe, not inclined to See the continuous thread that joins his trickery because they simply cannot look beyond what they read or what they think they see. Forms still govern the mind and psyches of people who largely have no conscios understanding of how their mind interprets things, has been conditioned, or the subtle nuances that lie beyond the sandy shores of dualism and morality. He's crazy, he's a genius, he's a poet, a philosopher, a terrorist, and his work has made my life very very interesting, very worthwhile, and if the Sinister ONA should serve my purposes to utilize their forms to engage in my old war against the Magi, who are you to tell me I am parody, lol.


Its possible to be more than one person, believe more than one cause, to split into shards of intent that simultaneously promote terror or warmth, love or abject hate; and everything in between. Possible to be a good father, lover, worker, and blend in to society, whilst undermining it, weakening it, terrorizing it; there is no paradox that cannot be solved without blind action; the only thing that ever gets in the way is human remorse. Remorse is a strange creature, a demon Ive fought with a lot. But its dead now.

This singularity is a curse, an old aeon turpitude and caustic effect of the dualism we ar eenslaved by, in our words, and forms, and works everywhere and in everything, humans piss in their pants and struggle against anything that is MORE THAN, more than one, more than it should be, more than it can be... hah.

That you would condemn a man for being odd, for being crazy, or insane, condemns the occult, condemns Myatt, condemns the wondrous hydra of the ONA who was never bound by forms and rigid strictures and authorities and so on that youve built up in your moon sphere as a black magician is only to be expected, but surely even in your grandeur you can see the hypocrisy and, well, silliness of that attitude.. But no, its a fact of the seven-fold way, you cant see any of this until you are ready, til you pass through the spheres yourself.

But you run, away to "more important" things, away because it is "beneath" you to stay, princess.

Maybe you dont understand my approach, and maybe, I dont understand yours, but there is no reason (and no chance they will not) they wont both serve that thing we do have in common,
but no one says we have to get along. No one EVER said we had to get along. We tried, we failed, we tried, we failed, *ppft* so fucking what, Im going to run my nexion and teach people how to destroy the Magi, and you do whatever it is you do. May the best nexion (mine) win. lol

Just try to keep up or blend in, or whatever.


Edited by Khk (08/27/10 04:03 AM)

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#42530 - 08/27/10 03:52 AM Re: The Tension of Fear and Love [Re: Dimitri]
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For the sake of argument, If there WERE anyone capable of bullying the ONA, it would be me.

Only Myatt knows its angles better.




Edited by Khk (08/27/10 03:53 AM)

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#42537 - 08/27/10 10:04 AM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: Khk]
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#42542 - 08/27/10 11:26 AM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: Conrad]
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Conrad, stop trolling the boards or prepare to be evicted. This is your warning.
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#42554 - 08/27/10 04:01 PM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: Conrad]
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Don't be mocking Starcraft now. People have been culled for less ;\)
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#42567 - 08/27/10 08:10 PM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: Khk]
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If I may remind you what the ONA is:

A Traditional Nexion is a local group of Sorcerers (male and female, or all male or all female) who follow The Seven-Fold Sinister Way and who thus practise External, Internal, and Aeonic Magick (Sorcery).

*What I do*

Traditional Nexions often use the term Traditional Satanism to describe their Way. By Balobians – aka Balo-Bohemians – we mean those artists, musickians, artisans, and writers, who share or are inspired by our sinister ethos and life-style, and/or who share some or all of our aims and objectives, but who may not have some formal involvement with us.


*Again, what I am and where I stand in relation*



Thus, the ONA is a diverse, and world-wide, collective of diverse groups, tribes, and individuals, who share and who pursue similar sinister, subversive, interests, aims and life-styles, and who co-operate when necessary for their mutual benefit and in pursuit of their shared aims and objectives.

*Yes indeedy, but there appears to be a gross smisunderstanding by some initiates as to what constitutes this criterion, and who, as non-market/media CEO's fail to recognize the aptiude of advertising applications, esp, where the ONA is concerned and seeking longevity. I am diverse, world-wide, a collective and an individual, I have sinister subversive aims and lifestyle and co-operate with others in pursuit of their aims and objectives. What this comes down to, is an inability to pass beyond the Sun sphere by many present adherents of the Sinister Path, and superficial ephemera such as personal like or dislike. The mage can only be born form jettisoning such childish scruples.*


The criteria for belonging to the ONA is this sharing and pursuit of similar sinister, subversive, interests, aims and life-styles, together with the desire to co-operate when it is beneficial to them and the pursuit of our shared aims. There is thus no formal ONA membership, and no Old-Aeon, mundane, hierarchy or even any rules. Instead, there is an ONA Kulture and ethos, and an identification with this ONA Kulture and sinister ethos. Those who identify with this ONA Kulture and sinister ethos are free to chose the means, the methods, the ways, that suits their own character best, and/or which interest or inspire them most, and are actively encouraged to do this.

*Actively encouraged are we. Not openly it seems. lol*

Hence, those who belong to, or associate themselves with or who are inspired by our collective may and do differ in the means used to attain our (and their) aims and objectives,

*Perhaps you need to explain this to your apprentices again, Grand Master.*

just as they will differ in whether or not they have, or desire, some formal association with us;

*I always have and I always will, mere words and emotions, formplay and deception don't change the downward trajectory of those destined for the dark. Once your on it, your on it. Unless of course, by Sinister, it is meant ONA prefers Mr Beests page, whose front page of his website cites quiet time with the Uniting Church.*

that is, whether or not they publicly or otherwise adhere to or associate themselves with the ONA and use the ONA name. Thus, many Balobians, for instance, do not assign any label or terms to themselves, and so they may not describe themselves as Satanists, or as Dreccs, or even as Occultists – although some do – just as some Balobians may adhere to or align themselves with or practice some other, non-ONA, Occult Way, or adhere to or align themselves with some non-Occult Way or weltanschauung.

*This is all very understanding... sympathetic, lol, but agian, maybe you should explain these concepts and the diversity of the ONA and its unlimited possiblities, twists and turns, forms and shades, to your young apprentices. They dont seem to get it. They certainly dont understand the power of advertising.*

Our fundamental aim is to change, to evolve, human beings – to produce a new type of human being. This derives from our belief that we human beings have great potential; that we can consciously change and evolve ourselves, and that esoteric Arts, especially The Dark Arts, are one of the most practical means to do this. Our Dark Arts include our sinister tribes and our Dreccian way of life, as well as the more traditional Dark Arts of External, Internal, and Aeonic Magick. Our main goal is to disrupt, undermine, destroy, overthrow – or replace by any practical means – all existing societies, all governments, and all nations, and in their place create new societies, new ways of life, based on our own tribal way of living, where the only law is our law of sinister-honour.

*Sieg Heil*


We desire to do this because of our belief that the current order, the current systems, are all mundane, and reflect the nature of mundanes; of those who lack our sinister spirit, our defiance, our desire to free ourselves from mundanity and the restrictions of patronising governments and abstract, impersonal, law, and which governments treat us as either children or as subjects to be restrained and controlled.

*Again, might want to run that by your Other apprentices.*

Our means – our Dark Arts – are many and varied, and include our sinister tribes, our Traditional Nexions (with the Seven Fold Sinister Way and External, Internal, and Aeonic Magick), our Dreccs, our Sorcerers and Sorceresses who work alone or with a few sinister comrades, our Sinister-Empaths, our Star Game, and our sympathizers and helpers, such as Balobians.

* Yes, or openly encouraging disruption, death, destruction and infecting others with a desensitization to violence and horror by making fun of what repels us inwardly from blowing the fuck out of our enemies, kniving them in the streets, or providing techniques to weaken the structures of the magi strongholds.*

One other important means, employed, by the ONA – and an essential part of our Dark Arts – is our sinister Mythos, and which ONA Mythos includes The Mythos of The Dark Gods, and The Mythos of Vindex.



Cited from An excellent article by Long, who is, and probably will only ever be, the one man to understand Ryan Anschauung.


Edited by Khk (08/27/10 08:27 PM)

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#42568 - 08/27/10 08:14 PM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: Conrad]
Khk Offline
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You banned Saturnyan. For shame. Hes only having a laugh, lol, c'mon, what the fuck people, when did having a laugh become an offense?
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#42570 - 08/27/10 08:39 PM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: Khk]
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KHK, one line posts...

You have been warned multiple times...

Tick Tock Tick Tock....


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#42742 - 09/03/10 09:26 PM Re: Sinister 101 [Re: Khk]
Clarence Offline
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The Dark Planet Wordpress appears to have been taken down:

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This blog has been archived or suspended for a violation of our Terms of Service.


Hopefully it can be resurrected. It was a hell of a giggle.

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#42915 - 09/10/10 06:04 AM Form Film 101 [Re: Clarence]
Khk Offline
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Heh heh.

Dark Planet merged with Sinister 101 to create a new syndicate. Dark Planet corporate logos have been archived in Sinister 101, but the form has served its purpose and will not be ressurected.

Rest assured however, I still have a sense of humour, and still intend to wield it.

Having just upgraded the Sinister 101 forum, I invite people to visit and view my first full-length interactive film/presentation created using POWERPOINT: FORM 101 by Ryan Anschauung.

To introduce my concepts more dynamically, as well as provide a crash-course for all new visitors into my extensive work with forms, I have created a 45 min film to cover many of the core angles involved in our perception and its context in relation to awareness and adeptship, in of course, a more exciting medium, than reading 1000s of black and white words.

{Free popcorn courtesy of the SOOF} \:\)


Edited by Khk (09/10/10 06:06 AM)

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