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#3882 - 02/05/08 10:21 PM Prolonged life or natural death?
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Current teenagers in high school are now considered to be the first generation to become completely dependent on technology. Within the past 20 years technology has made leaps and bounds. Make computers smaller, faster and portable; from cassette tapes to cd's to iPods and Zunes. Not to mention advancements in beauty products and how you can now alter entire apperances. Natural hair color has become a thing of the past and many people today don't even remember their natural color.

When 1984 was written it was considered a scifi and now it is a possibilty. So considering all this the question is how far do you think will technology go? Will we have so much advanced technology the we will be able to choose our death? This might seem a like a ridiculous scifi like question, but with technology advancing rapidly and a society obessed with aging a beauty, is it really that far fetched?

If you had the choice would, you choose how long you would live or would you stick to the average lifespan?
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#3883 - 02/05/08 10:30 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Sven]
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 Originally Posted By: Sven
Current teenagers in high school are now considered to be the first generation to become completely dependent on technology. Within the past 20 years technology has made leaps and bounds. Make computers smaller, faster and portable; from cassette tapes to cd's to iPods and Zunes. Not to mention advancements in beauty products and how you can now alter entire apperances. Natural hair color has become a thing of the past and many people today don't even remember their natural color.

When 1984 was written it was considered a scifi and now it is a possibilty. So considering all this the question is how far do you think will technology go? Will we have so much advanced technology the we will be able to choose our death? This might seem a like a ridiculous scifi like question, but with technology advancing rapidly and a society obessed with aging a beauty, is it really that far fetched?

If you had the choice would, you choose how long you would live or would you stick to the average lifespan?


Cyborgation Sven... these microchip shits are just gunna get smaller and smaller. I mean electron based microchips have reached their limit in size, but we've learned how to use Photons now, which means even smaller ones. Its fate. I want me a robot girl who looks like Seven of Nine; god she's hot. Grrr.
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#3885 - 02/05/08 10:38 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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But if they found a way to prolong your life, as long as you wished and phyiscally not aging, would?
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#3886 - 02/05/08 10:45 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Sven]
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But if they found a way to prolong your life, as long as you wished and physically not aging, would?

No way Sven! God, what lies behind the curtains of death is life's greatest mystery. Its captivated us humans since our beginning. Only we humans have the ability to know that we are going to dy someday, and to question what comes next. And this mystery has indirectly given birth to every religion we know of.

To live forever for me would be like being stuck on a very good roller coaster ride. This ride has its ups and downs, its twists, and turns... its exciting; but to have it drag on and on forever, on the same ride is hell... and I mean that in a satanically displeasing way.

I personally want to see what happened when we die. I'm a sucker for mystery.
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#3889 - 02/05/08 10:57 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I'm not saying to live forever but for as long as you want. Living forever would be a curse not an advancement, the prospects of death is a comfort for some and a fear for others. But on the idea of living forever I agree it would take the mystery out of life. Yet as for living longer I don't personally the problem with adding a few years here and there.
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#3890 - 02/05/08 11:04 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Sven]
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 Originally Posted By: Sven
I'm not saying to live forever but for as long as you want. Living forever would be a curse not an advancement, the prospects of death is a comfort for some and a fear for others. But on the idea of living forever I agree it would take the mystery out of life. Yet as for living longer I don't personally the problem with adding a few years here and there.


Well, ok, I'd live until I was about 150 years old, but only if I could stay a 30-40 year old man until I die; that would be great, every year Sven another girl would turn 18 an legal... but i'm killing myself the minute I get erectile disfunction!
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#3892 - 02/05/08 11:13 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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lol, Oh and deny yourself the possibilty to be a erectile disfunction spokesperson and be in the slightly akward but amusing ED commericals?
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#3895 - 02/05/08 11:25 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Sven]
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lol, Oh and deny yourself the possibilty to be a erectile disfunction spokesperson and be in the slightly akward but amusing ED commericals?

LOL! I love those commercials. Those guys say it with such pride and a smile. Can you picture me being the next ED spokes person of the future? "Hi, I'm a hundred and 50 years old, and thanks to nanotech I can now get it up again..."
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#3910 - 02/06/08 11:40 AM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I remember as a child watching the Jettson's with there microwaves that cooked them foods and robots cleaning etc and people laughing about it saying that will never happen. Not only do we have microwaves now but we have robots that clean,cut grass and build cars. Not many of those people are laughing now...

What most people forget is that we create our reality with our thoughts. What one thinks about they create over time. Nothing is to far fetched as long as one puts there minds to it as long as its within the realms of reality.

But if they designed a drug to TRY make you live longer,then you would have to be kept in a controlled environment away from things that cause accidental deaths like cars,drugs,etc.... One thing man/woman can't escape is death no matter what drug they take or how much money they have death is a guarantee...

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#3911 - 02/06/08 03:25 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Sven]
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Nothing is to far fetched as long as one puts there minds to it as long as its within the realms of reality.




What constitutes the ďrealms of reality?Ē though.

For example, some physicist claim, that it it will never be possible to travel faster then the speed of light. However, a few hundred years ago, some also claimed that the human body could not survive speeds of over thirty miles per hour, for a prolonged period of time.

Other respected physicist, come up with such far fetched ideas, as alternate universes, and the like, yet cannot prove them beyond theory, and perhaps mathematical equations.

So, where does the realm of reality stop, and fantasy begin?


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#3912 - 02/06/08 06:34 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Asmedious]
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Fantasy begins when one thinks of a way to manipulate the earth's
core materials and make cars,planes,clothes and homes... Everything we see and touch came from the earth's materials. Someone uses there thoughts (fantasy) to bring such things into physical form...

Reality ends when death occurs...

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#3913 - 02/06/08 06:57 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Asmedious]
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I personally I think inorder to consider what is reality you'd have to consider two things. One would be the nature of reality itself, and the second would be the individual and their perspective of reality. I know its preferable among philosophers to question "is real" and "exist" rather then reality as a whole.

When it comes to drawing a line between fantasy and reality, that could depend on the individual, situtation, and society.Going back to the statement saying at one point something that was once demnd impossible has become general knowlegde today. So I would almost attempt to say that, the line is what you see as possible and rather or not a society can accept it.
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#3914 - 02/06/08 07:13 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Noc]
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 Originally Posted By: Noc

Reality ends when death occurs...


What if reality really is the end? When death accours you can't (supposedly) can't deny what the outcome is. Which, in theory, would be the root cause in fearing death.

In death we have no choice but to face reality.
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#3919 - 02/06/08 09:40 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Sven]
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 Originally Posted By: Sven
 Originally Posted By: Noc

Reality ends when death occurs...


What if reality really is the end? When death accours you can't (supposedly) can't deny what the outcome is. Which, in theory, would be the root cause in fearing death.

In death we have no choice but to face reality.


The END being death in my opinion is an mental illusion.

A few scientists did this easy experiment once. They had people sit at a table and place their hands open just underneath the table top in a specially made hole. Then they placed realistic looking hands on top of the table, and do it in a way so that to the eye it appeared as thoe the fake hands were attached to the subjects wrists. Then they tickled the fake hand with feathers, pens, and objects, and all the subjects felt the tickles as if it were their real hand, even thoe they were consciously aware that they were fake hands. This has nothing to do with death, but it has a lot of light to shed on the body, and the mind-body connection.

There is a form of meditation called "finding the I" which I use from time to time. You sit their and ask yourself where in your body is the "I" you refer yourself to; then you break your body and mind down to find it. It's not in any cell, because cells die in the millions each day, and every 11 months every cell in your body is replaced... but the I remains the same. It is not in the neurons, because the brain's cells die daily and thousands of new synaptic connections brake and are made daily... but yet the I remains unchanged... It cannot be the body because the body starts off small, and gradually grows into adulthood, and thoughout the growth the I remains the same. It is not in your memories because your thoughts and memories changes and is added to, and some are forgotten, but yet the I still remains. Take it down further and on an atomic level you are 90 percent emptiness; the distence between one atom and the next become astronomical; is the I within the emptiness or in the atom? But the atoms are made of subatomic particles, each flickers in and out of existence millions of times a second... but even thoe these particles goes in and out of existance the I remains... these subatomic particles are further nothing more than spinning quanta of energy... like Shiva and Shakti dancing... and when that dance stops the swirls and vortex becomes still and returns to the pool of energy it came from... so where are you? Where is the I that you call yourself? How can you be so certain what happend to something which in reality is beyond your comprehension - you: your own self, the "I" whom you are? It is arrogant to claim to know... the same arrogance Christians have when they say they know "God."
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#3931 - 02/07/08 07:56 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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That is very interesting, I haven't heard of finding the "I". Which is why I should ask before assuming, do you mean "I" in terms of dualism and something along the lines of Descartes theories?
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#3937 - 02/07/08 08:46 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Sven]
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That is very interesting, I haven't heard of finding the "I". Which is why I should ask before assuming, do you mean "I" in terms of dualism and something along the lines of Descartes theories?


I am not familiar with Descartes' writings.
"I" as in the "I" you are refering to when you say something like "I am hungry." "I" as in the part of you which is aware of itself.... even when your consciousness is altered or changed as in sleep, dream states, or on drugs, your "I" or that part of you which is aware of itself is still unchanged... even when you get amnesia and forget everything that you are including your name, that "I" is still unchanged and remains the same and continues to be aware of itself. When you speak of yourself you call yourself "I". The question is who is this I, where is it, and how did it become? When we speak we never think about what words we will say next, they just come out. So when the "I" speaks, is it really speaking, or is it filled with what will be spoken and it just relays it? This I is unknowable. You are an illusion you take for granted because you are exposed to yourself everyday of your life. seeing a body for your whole life you associate yourself with this deteriorating body and ignorantly or arrogantly state that you will die some day, and that death is the end of it all. When in reality you are incomprehensible, without beginning or end. Your entire past is a mystery... everything that you are now is a mystery... and your future is a mystery... all that you know is that you ARE. How can you then assume to know that you will not exist or that death is the end of it all, when you don't even know 1% of your own nature? The old Taoists once said that "God" (Tao), Nature, and Man are the same thing just expressed in different forms; like water can express itself as Vapor, Liquid, and Ice; and to know one of these three is to know the others.


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#3938 - 02/07/08 09:07 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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His theories were along the lines of the Martix movies. Where your mind is tricked into thinking that this life is real, when its just a illusion and the "real you" is projecting yourself through into this flase reality. As for Descarte he believed we where all being tricked by a demon into thinking this world is real, when really your just in a dream.
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#3941 - 02/07/08 09:24 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Sven]
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 Originally Posted By: Sven
His theories were along the lines of the Martix movies. Where your mind is tricked into thinking that this life is real, when its just a illusion and the "real you" is projecting yourself through into this flase reality. As for Descarte he believed we where all being tricked by a demon into thinking this world is real, when really your just in a dream.


Ah... i see. I would agree half with him; the demon part is an easy scapegoat to explain something he didn't understand maybe?

In my opinion i don't believe that we are tricked or fooled by anyone or thing. I believe that it is a matter of focus... of what we tune into?

When you take really good acid or DMT and you see a white rabbit take you to a different world or universe, you are really going nowhere, is just that your AWARENESS has shifted its focus.

Likewise with dreaming. You close your eyes, you lose consciosness (even when you are unconscious you are still aware of yourself... and your subconscious mind always is conscious and aware... but you dream... and during your dream something strange happened... something is missing from your mind... you forget the "real world" and for a moment the dream world is the real world... but still you have not gone anywhere in reality - you are in your bed - your awareness... the "I" has just shifted focus... it is tuned into a different "station"... like changing the station on a television set... so it's not the question of "Where do we go when we die?" Because where are we in the first place?

We have hundreds of radio frequencies in the airwaves, just because you have your tuner set to just one station does not mean others don't exists, or that you exist in the frequencies in the first place??
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#3942 - 02/07/08 09:46 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Lucid Dreaming Sven, check it out. It when you teach yourself how to wake up and become fully aware of yourself in your dreams.

For me it happened naturally by accident. I dropped out of High School, and for some reason I get these terrifying nightmares of being back in school.

One time I was dreaming I was in class again taking a test. Everyone was quite and doing their test. Then I started to look around to copy off someone which I did often in school. But then I realized that I dropped out of school. I started to panic. I was thinking to myself "Wait a minute! What the hell am I doing back in school? I dropped out? How did I get back!?" In the dream I said that out loud and everyone stopped and looked at me.

I got up and said to everyone that I'm not suppose to be here, and the teacher told me to sit down. Then I looked around, I looked at the student right in front of me and said - this is a dream... your not a real person, everyone started laughing; but it was at that moment that I "woke up" in the dream. I was fully conscious in the dream; i knew deep inside that I was laying in bed, but the dream felt very, very real, as real as waking life.

Everyone was silent and just watching me. I was thinking to myself - this is fucking crazy. I leaned over to a girl and touched her hair, softly stroking it down, and I said to her quitely - "what are you?" I stood there for a moment absorbing the very strange sensation, and opened my eyes, and I was in bed.

I can't explain the feeling or how real it was. Later I learned to wake myself up in any dream, but only for a while. I had a dream once I was at the beach; I stopped and noticed something out of the ordinary - there was a tree floating in the sky. I stood there in the dream (these are called triggers, which you use to wake yourself up in the dream) and said, wait... trees can't float in the sky, this is a dream... the minute you realize its a dream something strange happened, it becomes less hazy and more realistic. The beach now looked and felt like a real beach; I knelt down and picked up some sand and let it fall thru my fingers slowly thinking to myself how much I can't tell the difference, just in awe; and i opened my eyes, and my real hand was in front of my face.

There was this other dream i had. It was a nightmare. I was being chased by a big dog (I'm scared of dogs) in a dark forest. I was screaming an running and I ran into a tree head first; but it didn't hurt; this work me up in the dream, and i immediately turned around and willed the dog away, and it disappeared. The dream was still hazy. so i wondered just how real I could make it. I made the sun come up and just willed it to become as real as possible. The grass felt real, like normal grass; and i softly touched the tree bark in awe because it felt like real tree bark.

These are simple and petty examples; but I can't explain the feeling when you have come to the realization that the reality your live in could just be a realistic illusion you tune yourself into?
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#3944 - 02/07/08 10:04 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I've often tried to use lucid dreaming, but so often my dreams are lucid nightmares, and they're so horrible and terrifying that I become caught up in them until the last second, when my consciousness (or sanity) finally can't take it anymore, and I wake up.

The worst scenario for me is to get caught up in such a dream (my dreams can have plots, even though they twist and turn) that I drag myself out of it, only to get pulled right back into it where I left off, when I fall back asleep. That's happened on several occasions. One of them I had to mentally drag myself out of, like a tug of war, and I kept getting pulled down. Frustrated, I actually yelled out loud, and forced myself to stay awake for a good hour to be sure the dream was cleared from my mind.

Also, I've noticed another thing about my dreams. They seem to play out in 3 parts, or acts. Sometimes they're connected to each other in a semi-cohesive way blending in with the next so that I don't even notice, other times they're like 3 separate acts from completely different plays. Does REM sleep have multiple cycles? That's the only explanation I can come up with.
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#3945 - 02/07/08 10:08 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Nemesis]
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REM supposedly happens four to five times a night forbthe average person. REM has been proven to be connected to lucid dreaming and flase awakeniungs. When you enter a LD state that occurs when the sleeper enters REM sleep with unbroken self awareness directly from a waking state.

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#3946 - 02/07/08 10:36 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Yes lucid dreaming is a very interesting subject I've been fastanated by it for years. That, and flase awakenings are very interesting yet one thing has always remained the same for me. That is I always wake up. I won't deny that the mind can create anything when there is a demand for it. Which has always made me wonder with LD and FA , and that is can you get stuck.

Basic dreams are a way for people to deal with stress, life, and other various trying emotions. Yet when I have had very intense sessions of both situtations of struggling. I think Nemesis put that struggling experence perfectly as a tug of war between your dream state and your awakened state. So I have always wondered if it was actually something were you could not wake up from or is all just a dream.

Also sort of like lucid dreaming is when your awake or at least aware of the dream; yet it's still a dream. No matter how much you scream and yell the "you" in the dream goes on unaffected. Its like watching a movie of yourself yet you are not the director and you have no say. Its like lucid dreaming but you can't contorl anything and your point of veiw is third person.


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#3955 - 02/08/08 10:42 AM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Sven]
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Have any of you had a dream and then like a week or two your dream happen just like it did in your dream?
I had that happen to me about 4 years ago and the dream I had was so real to me when I woke up it took me a few mins to realize it was a dream.
But 2 weeks later it was like a vision hit me one day while driving and it was like I was inside of my dream, everything happened in sequel right down to the place I ended up parking the people I passed along the way everything.
It was an experience that I will never forget, and I still to this day can't explain how or why I was able to dream what was going to happen to me in the future and then two weeks later it played out exactly how I dreamed it.
The best way to can describe my entire experience was like watching a movie and then playing the part in the movie.

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#3971 - 02/08/08 09:55 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Noc]
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Have any of you had a dream and then like a week or two your dream happen just like it did in your dream?
I had that happen to me about 4 years ago and the dream I had was so real to me when I woke up it took me a few mins to realize it was a dream.
But 2 weeks later it was like a vision hit me one day while driving and it was like I was inside of my dream, everything happened in sequel right down to the place I ended up parking the people I passed along the way everything.
It was an experience that I will never forget, and I still to this day can't explain how or why I was able to dream what was going to happen to me in the future and then two weeks later it played out exactly how I dreamed it.
The best way to can describe my entire experience was like watching a movie and then playing the part in the movie.

You know what, this has never happened to me unfortunately, I wish it did, but...

I very often get normal dreams, and at some near future point in real life I see or encounter the same environment or place I once saw in a dream. For example I had a dream about being in a desert and in the desert was this abandoned rusted factory of some sort, by a dried up lake. The dream didn't strike me as anything unusual, but one day as I was driving out to Las Vegas i turned onto a small road and I saw a familiar patch of desert with a building in the distance. I got a de ja vu feeling and rove to look at it, and it was the same abandoned building I had seen and it was also by a dried up river bed. This happened so much to me that every time i dream of a place or surrounding I often expect to encounter it soon, and 80 percent of the time I do. But it only happened with places for me?? Like what the hell is that good for, or what's it mean?? but its just eerie, and makes you question the realism behind reality.
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#4081 - 02/11/08 09:02 AM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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I have had dreams which in the near future came to be real.
The first I could remember was a toy car of Lego. I dreamed about it before my birthday, at my birthday I got that toy car. Exactly the same one that I dreamed about.

Some more recent ones were a scene in a bus, a guy having his hands on two chairs in it lifting himself and swinging around. In my dreamed it seemed to be weird, yet after the dream I saw it in "real life".
Also one which influenced me in taking actions. Something I wanted was not evaluable for a long time. Then on a night I dreamed about getting it from a shop, I also encountered a pigeon
with just one claw. I went to the shop where they had it in my dreams, and got it. On the way back I encountered the same pigeon.

I also had dreams predicting deaths, heartbreaks and other sad business. Dejavu, but then with the memory of when it happened earlier..

Reality is a strange thing, can we say for certainty that something does not exist?

It is like, we create tools in this reality to prove this reality. That is like creating tools in your dreams to prove that your dreams are true.

Second, I am new on this forum. Hell-o-Satanas to you all.
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 Originally Posted By: Noc
Have any of you had a dream and then like a week or two your dream happen just like it did in your dream?
I had that happen to me about 4 years ago and the dream I had was so real to me when I woke up it took me a few mins to realize it was a dream.
But 2 weeks later it was like a vision hit me one day while driving and it was like I was inside of my dream, everything happened in sequel right down to the place I ended up parking the people I passed along the way everything.
It was an experience that I will never forget, and I still to this day can't explain how or why I was able to dream what was going to happen to me in the future and then two weeks later it played out exactly how I dreamed it.
The best way to can describe my entire experience was like watching a movie and then playing the part in the movie.

You know what, this has never happened to me unfortunately, I wish it did, but...

I very often get normal dreams, and at some near future point in real life I see or encounter the same environment or place I once saw in a dream. For example I had a dream about being in a desert and in the desert was this abandoned rusted factory of some sort, by a dried up lake. The dream didn't strike me as anything unusual, but one day as I was driving out to Las Vegas i turned onto a small road and I saw a familiar patch of desert with a building in the distance. I got a de ja vu feeling and rove to look at it, and it was the same abandoned building I had seen and it was also by a dried up river bed. This happened so much to me that every time i dream of a place or surrounding I often expect to encounter it soon, and 80 percent of the time I do. But it only happened with places for me?? Like what the hell is that good for, or what's it mean?? but its just eerie, and makes you question the realism behind reality.
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#4103 - 02/11/08 08:29 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Sethsryt]
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I have had dreams which in the near future came to be real.
The first I could remember was a toy car of Lego. I dreamed about it before my birthday, at my birthday I got that toy car. Exactly the same one that I dreamed about.

Some more recent ones were a scene in a bus, a guy having his hands on two chairs in it lifting himself and swinging around. In my dreamed it seemed to be weird, yet after the dream I saw it in "real life".
Also one which influenced me in taking actions. Something I wanted was not evaluable for a long time. Then on a night I dreamed about getting it from a shop, I also encountered a pigeon
with just one claw. I went to the shop where they had it in my dreams, and got it. On the way back I encountered the same pigeon.

I also had dreams predicting deaths, heartbreaks and other sad business. Dejavu, but then with the memory of when it happened earlier..

Reality is a strange thing, can we say for certainty that something does not exist?

It is like, we create tools in this reality to prove this reality. That is like creating tools in your dreams to prove that your dreams are true.

Second, I am new on this forum. Hell-o-Satanas to you all.
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Have any of you had a dream and then like a week or two your dream happen just like it did in your dream?
I had that happen to me about 4 years ago and the dream I had was so real to me when I woke up it took me a few mins to realize it was a dream.
But 2 weeks later it was like a vision hit me one day while driving and it was like I was inside of my dream, everything happened in sequel right down to the place I ended up parking the people I passed along the way everything.
It was an experience that I will never forget, and I still to this day can't explain how or why I was able to dream what was going to happen to me in the future and then two weeks later it played out exactly how I dreamed it.
The best way to can describe my entire experience was like watching a movie and then playing the part in the movie.

You know what, this has never happened to me unfortunately, I wish it did, but...

I very often get normal dreams, and at some near future point in real life I see or encounter the same environment or place I once saw in a dream. For example I had a dream about being in a desert and in the desert was this abandoned rusted factory of some sort, by a dried up lake. The dream didn't strike me as anything unusual, but one day as I was driving out to Las Vegas i turned onto a small road and I saw a familiar patch of desert with a building in the distance. I got a de ja vu feeling and rove to look at it, and it was the same abandoned building I had seen and it was also by a dried up river bed. This happened so much to me that every time i dream of a place or surrounding I often expect to encounter it soon, and 80 percent of the time I do. But it only happened with places for me?? Like what the hell is that good for, or what's it mean?? but its just eerie, and makes you question the realism behind reality.


Cool. Lief's a trip. Welcome.
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#4106 - 02/11/08 08:35 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Life might be a trip.
One day you might die, open your eyes have a gigantic headache.
"Damn I will never use that shit again."

Thank you for your warm welcome, be forewarned though, I do take the subjects quite literary and serious. One day I might end up in a heated discussion of how the word "Poop" was invented. Who knows?

But tell me, what is the meaning of the word "Je" in "War Won Je"?
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Cool. Lief's a trip. Welcome.
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#4127 - 02/12/08 03:47 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Sven]
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Current teenagers in high school are now considered to be the first generation to become completely dependent on technology.


They are also the first generation to be likely to live shorter lives than their parants.

Personally I think you can currently choose your death. It's called Euthenasia. Unfortunately the Christian majority seem to frown upon people choosing to leave life with dignity, instead wanting them to linger on machines or in pain until it happens 'naturally'.

At this point in my life I would probably choose the avarege lifespan. Although, Tat2zz once asked me if given the choice, instead of dying would I let my 'soul, personaity, self' be loaded onto a computer. I replied in the affermitive, but it does make one think.

As for finding the 'I', maybe the whole is more than the sum of the parts? Maybe the I isn't hidden in one spot, but caused by the whole?

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#4148 - 02/12/08 08:00 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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I personally think I'd choose a prolonged life. I've always found the idea of being able to "choose your death" interesting, even more so as a Atheist. The point of many theistic religions is to provide people with a comforting idea of an afterlife. Yet, if one believed that life is lacking that comfort of an afterlife or a God to hold your hand and make it all better, then does death still become that comfort?


Things in life become very sugarcoated for teenagers I think. A combination of technology, food, and economic comfort, in my veiw is a factor in the declined expectations in the many different areas of teenage life.



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#4150 - 02/12/08 08:07 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Sven]
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Yet, if one believed that life is lacking that comfort of an afterlife or a God to hold your hand and make it all better, then does death still become that comfort?


For me it does. If you are in pain and you die and there is nothing, then no more pain = comfort. You don't have to believe in heaven, god or any other 'afterlife' to be comforted by death.

I'm in no rush to die, but due to my health, I have needed to discuss, think about and make peace with the prospect of it happening sooner rather than later. It's not the dying that is scary, it's the way you die that is.

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#4156 - 02/12/08 08:49 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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What I find ironic is the conterversy surrounding euthenaisa, and how people feel so strongly about something as to deny someone else a right to their own death. Which always lead me to believe that people (in terms of a majorty in society) use the idea of an afterlife and god as a means of denial, and as a way to answer their fears of the possiblity of no afterlife.
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#4169 - 02/13/08 12:15 AM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Sven]
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Which always lead me to believe that people (in terms of a majorty in society) use the idea of an afterlife and god as a means of denial, and as a way to answer their fears of the possiblity of no afterlife.


Yes. To me that seems like THE MOST OBVIOUS thought, and yet it mustn't be to the sheeple. I've always thought an after life and karma etc are crutches. Either about their being nothing on the other side, or about how small and insignificant most peoples lives really are. Reincarnation is a great way to allow people to have been someone famous or important in a 'PAST LIFE' oooooooh wah!

Euthenasia to alot is as dirty word as abortion.

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#4180 - 02/13/08 03:28 AM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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I disagree Zeph, Euthenasia is the choice of the person in question, abortion is the choice of the mother.

If I was aborted I would have had no say in the matter however if I'm asking someone to end my life when I'm no longer capable of living it to a degree where I am not happy, that is my decision and it should be respected and acted upon if anyone cares enough to follow my wishes.

Now personally, I'm pretty damn terrified of death. I would never want such a thing. Some people however, do. Why should they be denied there wishes?
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#4183 - 02/13/08 05:38 AM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I disagree Zeph, Euthenasia is the choice of the person in question, abortion is the choice of the mother.


Sorry I'm confused Tornado Creator. You disagree that Euthenasia is to a certain section of people as diry a word as abortion.
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#4186 - 02/13/08 09:04 AM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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I honestly never think about when my life will come to end. I have no control over when that day will come. I'm not afraid of death because there is no need to be afraid of something I can't control. I know that death will come in time but I don't feel a need to dwell on it.

We all have our own theories about the after life, But no one will ever truly know what happens at the time of death until they experience it for themselves. So i just try to live my life everyday to the fullest, and try to experience as much as possible in the here and now.

Because we can never re live the past and theres no guarantee we will live to see the future, so I focus on whats happen in the present and try to make the most of it.....

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#4188 - 02/13/08 12:19 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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I disagree Zeph, Euthenasia is the choice of the person in question, abortion is the choice of the mother.


Sorry I'm confused Tornado Creator. You disagree that Euthenasia is to a certain section of people as diry a word as abortion.


No. Sorry... we've misinterpreted eachothers posts.

I disagree that us us a dirty word or concept for that matter based on the fact that personal choice is involved. You statemnent that some people view it as such though is quite true.
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#4193 - 02/13/08 04:16 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Yes. I could probably have added a comma and made it a little easier to read. I do read things back before I post, but then I wrote them, so of course I will understand it.

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#4247 - 02/14/08 11:30 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Don't worry about it. This is the internet, people misinterpret things all the time.
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#6495 - 03/27/08 06:40 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Sven]
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Stick to average lifespan. I might make it legal for people to consider it suicide thru this technology.
Basically my thoughts on this would be no different then they are now.
I believe in euthanasia under vegetable status as well.
If I'm no longer in control of my own mind or body I have no reason to around except for other peoples inability to let go of me.
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#6538 - 03/28/08 01:49 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Sven]
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I personally,believe in a after-existance,I think this one is screwed so badd that there is something better,Its just an opinion.Yes I know that people ponder their own mortallity constantly.This life is only temporary,remember,just my opinion.
I think if we study our dreams,and the mind their is a spiceal connection between,dreams and the afterlifes we have already lived,doesnt anybody ponder their inner man or fears.I have no problem,believing in a better-piece of existance,Thats my own personal right.I respect the fact that death is the end also.Maybe we ponder about it to face fears,or because deep inside whether admit it or not,we have been here before and again,again,and again.Most would like to prolong their life simply by belief in something better,I am one of those,but except the mammal must go back to dirt.I also respect the people of this philosophy and others,except those who forcefeed religion,that is not the answer never has been,never will be.Look at it this way,death is apart of these lives,so excepting death is apart of prolonged life.Many do not get the chance to have these disscussions as we do,Its a luxury to do so not a right.Alot of my people and others,have died so we can live in freedom,In war their are no unwounded people.The quote sticks to me like pins n needles.People have prolonged our very existance simply by forgetting themselves and going out in the flame of this worldwide torching effect.I respect the people for their ideas,and solutions,also for their beliefs whatever they may be.I choose prolonged life by accepting death as apart of the process nothing more,nothing less.

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#6540 - 03/28/08 01:58 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Isaak w shipley]
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Yes I know that people ponder their own mortallity constantly.


No Isaak. only a few of us actually ponder our own mortality.

Life is like a watch on your wrist or a ring around your finger. After wearing these for so long you forget you have it on, until you lose it. Most people forget how precious life is. They forget how fast time ticks away. "Man is a verb" as one wise guy puts it. most people waste this precious time out of touch with the world of nature, buried in the words of dead prophets and dead letters, politics, religion, themselves, or whatever, never truly realizing life is passing them by.


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#6593 - 03/29/08 01:09 AM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Very nicely spoken,A true builder to the bridge of humanity.I dig it."A watch around the wrist or the band on the finger.Its good Stuff.A truth from philosophy in itself.Remindes me of "the old ball and chain" a clockwork "Orange"the flavor flav or in alice wonderland endless clicking of time clock."down the old void of time".Luciferific,I am so glad that somebody digs the debating chair also not just me.This is well spoken.I can not say it enough,Your sign is in the moon as of 11:00pm.We are building a philosophy debate and the topic is great.The moon is at her most oriented tonight.You are rightous.Not all peole just some people.I stand corrected.You have a very good way with words.I am inspired by this post.Speechless.Be sure to watch out for old "pluto".I am speechless,Dam# its great stuff.........


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#6595 - 03/29/08 01:16 AM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Isaak w shipley]
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I'm happy you appreciate it. I don't mind a friendly debate, as long as we both stay open minded and are willing to learn a new perspective - this is the only way to learn something out of a debate. Debating to get others to think like you doesn't give birth to anything new, nor progress anyone, or add to the common stock of knowledge. I think people have lost touch with the meaning and purpose of what a debate is for. or maybe i just never understood this perverted meaning of debate.
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#6698 - 03/30/08 02:03 AM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Yes that is very true.Going against the grain to be different and learn is onething,But refusing to see problems with openminds,and hearts are not solving any issues to humanity."Ive been lost somewhere between heaven and hell".The poetry of a master of the old into the new.Mr.Zakk wyle.I love the debates of philosophy,or just natural composing of material sometimes not making any sense at first then come to find,It all starts making perfect sense.Like a book of your own shadows,that start flowing in tune when you discover they are many heads and tails.Downfalls and glory.The weak find their weakness has made them strong.I have been inside the magic realm tonight real heavy.Then all of a sudden here comes History to baffle me with the ancient "Old ones".Nostradomous.It starts to make since in a world that has always been political,chaotic,so forth all this chaos we have donr to mother earth over the centuries of time in itself has come with a high bounty on the futures head.We must learn from everyone and none.Know the truth of internal,external,and no nothing about our fates. when if we dig deep into our divine,we find we we have been knowing the fate of man and death since the beginning itself.Thats only half the karmic story though.We must remain openminded to obtain hope,inside no hope,a dream inside the AmericanDream.The good,bad,and ugly we must face to progress.Hope does save but can also destroy."Prolonged life is natural death."What do you think about the supernatural,intune with elements and astral knowing whats ahead even when you do not wish to know sometimes.We have to all put some so-called 2cents in,because without it we become so mundane and material,which do not misunderstand material is good,but only if satisfied" Within. "First,we must think what we need not always want.The power of knowlege,and power in open-minded debates that we should never close once we have opened the door. We must walk our paths.Those of benefits and loss.glory and life,destruction and death.Love you for being a true friend.Thank you.You are a inspiration luciferific,capricorn.


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#6700 - 03/30/08 02:10 AM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Isaak w shipley]
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Indeed my son, indeed.
What have you been doing with your life so far Isaak?
Don't lose it behind a computer or book. Go out there and follow your music.
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#6704 - 03/30/08 02:26 AM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Yes I have been contemplating,and Executing desicions that need to be made.My date to Nashvegas is set.Thank you for restoring
my energy.If it wasnt for you I might not have dug in so deep again.I have made a path and also am proud of you,and me for taking the energy and lighting the road to success.



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#6729 - 03/30/08 09:36 AM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: LUCIFERIFIC]
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Isaak can I offer friendly advice. I have a hard time reading your posts much of the time and begin to lose interest after the first post. The crammed visual it shows off proves it hard to read so I stop and am sure many do as well. So as an improvement you couldmake or a suggestion from myself, put spaces after your periods and commas. It makes it much easier to read and it doesn't feel so crammed together.

Because when you type like this.It feels like everything is too close.And jammed together.The words are too close and it feels messy.Making it an uninteresting read especially if you don't start your sentence with capitals.then you see this.and you cant really tell the difference from one sentence to the next.

You offer good arguments and speak intelligently so as I said, I offer a suggestion so that more people will be more likely to read what important ideas you would like to share. It's up to you where you place that constructive criticsm.
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#7259 - 04/05/08 05:19 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Sven]
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I think the deeper question with regard to the advancement of technology is exactly how deeply advanced we can become as a global community without completely destroying ourselves or parts of the planet in the process. The story goes that many thousands of years ago Atlantis was the most technologically advanced civilization on the planet, harnessing the energy of crystals to do everything from power cities to harness the magnetic energy of the earth and accomplish interplanetary travel by having those crystals placed strategically in three corners now known as the Bermuda Triangle. The hierarchy of their civilization became so consumed by the power they harnessed and so arrogant that they walked right into their own self-destruction.

Regardless of what the truth about Atlantis is, I think there is a lesson to be learned from that story and certainly comparisons can be made to our current state of technological advancement and those in power who have the ability to wipe out a nation at the press of a button. Maybe the question isnít so much what we as individuals will do with the newest and latest technologies, but what the fallout will be from the political hierarchy in our society having access to the newest and latest tools of destruction.

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#7274 - 04/05/08 09:51 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Succubus666]
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Excellent post Tale De Sade. I hadn't looked at it that way before, it has certainly given me something to ponder.

I have always loved technology etc, but have been starting to enjoy the thought of maybe limiting it more in my life. I've been starting to wonder whether all this technology is actually bad for us rather than good?

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#7301 - 04/06/08 08:53 AM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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I personally feel that we are spoiled by technology. I mean, look at all these kids growing up with all this new technology. Doing things they could never dream of before. The problem is, the technology is seperataing them from the real world. There mommies and daddies are giving them and giving them and they grow up soiled getting what they want. And in many other aspects, technology has helped us advance, but it's making our civilization weak, spoiled, and lazy.
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#7325 - 04/06/08 04:18 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: PigFeeder]
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By the way, I'd like to add my input on the first two original ideas here:

If I was offered prolonged near immortal life I would take it. This sounds cheesy, but if I was offered a life like a vampire I would take it. Stronger and more durable, not an eternity of life but prolonged.

Also I've never experienced Lucid Dreaming. Reading about it form you guys it sounded deep and special. I thought it hard, but I don't dream muhc unfortunately. Well everyone dreams, I never remember mine when I wake. Does anyone know how to make yourself realise your dreaming at the stage of sleep in which you dream? Anyway I turned over to my gf and she says " Waking up in your dream is easy, I do it all the time. I was kinda shocked, and she isn't one to lie or exxagerate. So I thought it kind of interesting. She was expaining almost the same type of stuff you were Kayla about waking up in your dream. Ezpecially about if she's dreaming and she realises something isn't right, it's obviously a dream - She wakes herself up IN her dream, not from her dream. I find this kind of hard to grasp. It doesn't make sense to someone who hasn't experienced it, but I believe it. I can sort of understand it but never really, entirely grsp the concept.
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#7350 - 04/06/08 11:26 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: Sven]
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I would choose a prolonged life until I accomplished everything I wanted to, then by whatever means I was staying alive I'd stop using it.
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#7383 - 04/07/08 09:50 AM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: PigFeeder]
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What you were talking about there was poor upbringing not the actual technology. The available enternainment technology has only made it possible for parents to neglect their responsibilities and let the game consoles provide...

And I wouldn't limit a debate about tech to just entertainment machinery. It's after all a very small portion of it.
Think of a pacemaker. It's something that already makes humans cyborgs and has made prolonged life possible.
By the means of technology we can already prolong our lifes even if it's not cybernetic implants, advanced health care equipment has made it possible to better diagnose and treat illnesses that might have meant certain death before.

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#7395 - 04/07/08 05:39 PM Re: Prolonged life or natural death? [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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To me it just seems like another scapegoat to blame technology in and of itself for the problems in the world. Money isnít the root of all evil (so to speak), itís the greed that drives people toward it. Even if we didnít have dollar bills, the people who just had to have the most control, the most wealth, the most power and so on would go about getting it via the next available means. Itís the same with technology in the sense that we as individuals have control over how we choose to utilize it. A person can either be responsible, or they can be mindless. Ultimately it isnít the technology that causes the destruction, itís what people choose to do with it that determines the final outcome.
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