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#39087 - 06/05/10 07:44 PM A Synopsis of the Satanic Bible
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Hello,

I've read the Satanic Bible a few times now and pieced together a variety of different sections I highlighted to form an abstract of sorts. I send it to friends who are curious about Satanism but don't want to read the whole book. Check it out at http://rapidshare.com/files/395720819/TSB_Abstract.doc.html and tell me what you think. Please notify me of any spelling/grammar mistakes. Thanks.
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#39091 - 06/05/10 11:53 PM Re: A Synopsis of the Satanic Bible [Re: SubtleSatanist]
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Wikipedia already has something of the sort on their page for "The Satanic Bible".

Seems kinda redundant, considering TSB is a wafer-thin read once you take out the wide margins and gratuitous page breaks in the Keys section.
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#39092 - 06/06/10 12:39 AM Re: A Synopsis of the Satanic Bible [Re: The Zebu]
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Agreed, I just thought the Wikipedia page was a little too brief. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it rather than love wasted on ingrates. I believe my friends who are curious about my new-found religion are worthy of the time it took to assemble this synopsis, which I believe to be more effective than a brief look at a Wikipedia page, or the Nine Satanic Statements, and less lengthy than reading the Satanic Bible in its entirety (as short as it may be.) I'm sure there are others who can relate. If not, then I apologize.

Edited by SubtleSatanist (06/06/10 12:40 AM)
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#39095 - 06/06/10 01:14 AM Re: A Synopsis of the Satanic Bible [Re: SubtleSatanist]
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They COULD read The Satanic Bible... yeah, I know. Going to the source. What a concept. The Satanic Bible is easy to get in print and it's available on line in pdf files. I might be a little prejudiced on the subject, but damn it, it's worthy of reading in its totality. If a person can't be bothered with that, then I have to be honest with you and say that Satanism could probably do much better.

Satanism isn't meant for Cliff Notes.
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#39100 - 06/06/10 06:55 AM Re: A Synopsis of the Satanic Bible [Re: Jake999]
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Reading your thing takes much more time than "going to the source". Besides, it's less of a "synopsis" than a rewriting of The Satanic Bible. I mean, if you want to be a proselyte, just tell them how great this book is instead of writing a tiresome review for people who will most likely not care.
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#39101 - 06/06/10 09:01 AM Re: A Synopsis of the Satanic Bible [Re: SubtleSatanist]
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I echo the feelings of Jake.
It is in my view quite pointless to write a synopsis for other people about a book which is about a philosophy. To make it even better, making a synopsis of the SB is like writing a review of a review. The SB might be seen as the primary book concerning Satanism, yet not everything is handled as thoroughly for what it should be. (Hence Satanism should be learned by experience and not/less learned by theory) The SB on itself is but a short introduction towards Satanism. It is a synopsis of the philosophy. In reality, Satanism is a tad further than the SB (and further than other works concerning Satanism from ASL hand).

While you might have had the best intentions of doing it, I see it as pointless. As said by Jake, let them learn it from the source and not from prechewed already subjective texts/synopsis'/reviews.
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#39102 - 06/06/10 09:06 AM Re: A Synopsis of the Satanic Bible [Re: SubtleSatanist]
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Your synopsis has probably done you much more good than it has anyone else. The thought and effort that you put into it has certainly enhanced your understanding and appreciation of the book.

As for your friends, I think you may be trying too hard. Sounds like they could use a shock - get off their asses and learn the basics on their own or quit wasting your time. Then you'll find out who's serious and who are the psychic vampires.
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#43778 - 10/24/10 07:42 PM Re: A Synopsis of the Satanic Bible [Re: William Wright]
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I wasn't trying to convert them, I was just trying to give them a summary. And yes, William, it definitely helped me more than it helped them. However, they are not psychic vampires, they are my close circle of friends. Satan represents kindness to those who deserve it, rather than love wasted on ingrates. Since then, two of my friends have read TSB in it's entirety and for the most part, agreed. However, neither of them feel the need to call themselves a "Satanist," which is fine by me. Satanism is a tool, not a cause. I thank you for all your responses.

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#43820 - 10/26/10 04:34 AM Re: A Synopsis of the Satanic Bible [Re: SubtleSatanist]
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If anything the opposite is needed. TSB is indeed a wafer-thin read and what would be truly interesting if a development and a serious attempt to dive into the philosophy. Because lets face it, TSB never goes deep into any of the subjects. It just graces the tip of the iceberg. I'd love to see more in depth studies and interpretations on Satanism.
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#43825 - 10/26/10 09:10 AM Re: A Synopsis of the Satanic Bible [Re: TheInsane]
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 Originally Posted By: TheInsane
Because lets face it, TSB never goes deep into any of the subjects.


The Satanic Bible presents a framework because its author recognized that for those who follow the LHP, each journey is different and uniquely individual. It doesn't delve into any kind of dogma or attempt to explain things that are unknowable specifically because it is up to each individual to seek his/her own answers. To me, an in depth study would just represent some other person's path and not my own. Interesting reading, perhaps, but not directly germane to one's own development.
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#43829 - 10/26/10 10:29 AM Re: A Synopsis of the Satanic Bible [Re: Fnord]
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I’d like to wholeheartedly disagree on much of what you write. It is indeed just a framework but I’d say of LaVeys personal interpretation of Satanism and not of the LHP. LHP is much bigger than LaVey and it is a rather complicates subject since the term has been hijacked so many times its meaning has diminished in many ways. But that is another discussion entirely that I do not wish to get into here (it has already been discussed).

I do not agree on it trying to be objective to leave room for deeper individual interpretations. I think it was a copy and paste job done to please the publisher at the time. The non-explanatory feeling to it I think has to do with LaVey not really being a philosopher per se. He was a thinker and a visionary but he almost never went deep into any subjects (the only thing I can think of is what he presented in The Satanic Witch). I think he knew what his strengths were and that he played the game to emphasize them and hide his weaknesses (which of course is a smart thing to do).

I also think there is a decent amount of dogma in TSB. Heck, the very opening, with the 9 statements, were at least written in a very dogmatic way (how they were thought to be interpreted only LaVey knew). And most of the Book of Lucifer is pretty much based on those 9 statements (the only original part of TSB as I understand it even though there is some in the section on magic as well). Of course one can choose his/her own approach to the book and we have seen big differences in this regard and that is probably sound.

And last but not least I do not see the apparent problem some have with deeper philosophical writings in regards to Satanism. The argument that it is somehow not beneficial to ones own personal development. I would strongly disagree with this. The more you dwell into philosophy the more you develop. It doesn’t matter if the writer is the most dogmatic person you have ever read and you not agreeing on anything. You still develop by reading it. And as I said I take TSB as Antons personal statement on Satanism so I already see this as a “representation of someone else’s path and not my own”. Reading about other peoples interpretations isn’t the problem. The problem is however the mindset that some try to imitate every word they read and internalize them even though they may not actually understand it. This is very apparent with TSB as well as Anton LaVey as a person. Who hasn’t seen a Satanist trying to legitimize his faith by quoting TSB like it was a holy scripture or declaring his deep and personal interest for androids?

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#43831 - 10/26/10 12:20 PM Re: A Synopsis of the Satanic Bible [Re: TheInsane]
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 Originally Posted By: TheInsane
I’d like to wholeheartedly disagree on much of what you write.


Just here in this thread or elsewhere too? \:\)

I do see your many points and have thought about them before. I see LaVey's writings as a whole as elegant simplicity. Sure they have problems, but they demonstrate an overall understanding of the human condition and come from a place where they are understood by the gut before they reach the mind (at least this is true for me).

What I mean when I say free of dogma is that Satanism doesn't come with a rule book. The tenets are undefined, by and large, but people who get what it's about simply get what it's about. Personally, I don't need a document of definitions and if someone were to produce some specifics I'd probably argue them as not being pertinent to all individuals (see what I did there?).

A deeper understanding of Satanism is a deeper understanding of one's self and one's own motivations. Reading other people's work may help you get there. I've certainly read countless volumes in my lifetime but have discovered that real truth lies where the rubber hits the road.
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#43832 - 10/26/10 01:16 PM Re: A Synopsis of the Satanic Bible [Re: Fnord]
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 Originally Posted By: Fnord

Just here in this thread or elsewhere too? \:\)


We’ll see I guess … \:\)

And I apologize beforehand since I know that this post will stray a bit off-topic.

One of the thoughts where I disagree with LaVey, or at least with some interpretations made by some of his followers, is the idea of a Satanist being born not made. Now Im not saying anyone can truly feel at home as a Satanist but at the same time I do think that you some way or another do develop with a movement because you join it (in this case a philosophical movement which more than anything is mental and not organized). When I read TSB as a teenager I found an attraction to some of the main concepts and ideas, some others I hadn’t ever thought about and some which I found to be far fetched and to much of a stretch.

I specifically remember the following quote to resonate with me at the time; "There is no heaven of glory bright, and no hell where sinners roast. Here and now is our day of torment! Here and now is our day of joy! Here and now is our opportunity! Choose ye this day, this hour, for no redeemer liveth!". The concept of stratification however hadn’t even graced my mind as far as I remember and all the talk about magic was very alien to me.

In one way some of the foundations were there at that point. Some other things, that may or may not have been fundamental Satanic though, I believe I developed along the way. And some things I still to this day won’t agree with. One of the big initial steps a Satanist makes is the change where the person starts to explain his or her philosophy in relation to mythology. While a great deal of people may have been drawn to the darker side of culture (just have a look around this forum) it is probably a big step for anyone to start explaining his or her philosophy in Satanic mythological terms (whether that person considers him/herself as an Atheist like me or comes from another, theistic, religion).

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What I mean when I say free of dogma is that Satanism doesn't come with a rule book. The tenets are undefined, by and large, but people who get what it's about simply get what it's about. Personally, I don't need a document of definitions and if someone were to produce some specifics I'd probably argue them as not being pertinent to all individuals (see what I did there?).


And still the most quoted writings of LaVeys have a strong dogmatic feeling attached to them (the statements, laws and sins). I know most people claim to interpret them as guidelines and I think that is a healthy relation to them but they are clearly not written to give the reader a sense of interpretational freedom.

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#43833 - 10/26/10 02:32 PM Re: A Synopsis of the Satanic Bible [Re: TheInsane]
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 Originally Posted By: TheInsane


One of the thoughts where I disagree with LaVey, or at least with some interpretations made by some of his followers, is the idea of a Satanist being born not made. Now Im not saying anyone can truly feel at home as a Satanist but at the same time I do think that you some way or another do develop with a movement because you join it (in this case a philosophical movement which more than anything is mental and not organized).


I'm not personally one who would dispute that categorically. I think the spirit of that sentiment is that folks who read the Satanic Bible and identify with it in a general sense are likely the type who would benefit from looking further down the path to Satanism. I don't see reading the Satanic Bible and identifying with it as a be all and end all Satanic litmus test. It does appear to be a good indicator that one already possesses the qualities necessary to make good use of a deliberate and self directed study. Identifying with TSB is only step one. "Satanism demands study" is the doorway into step two.

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And some things I still to this day won’t agree with.

I'm not looking to pick your answer apart... just curious as to what you're referring to, specifically, here.


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And still the most quoted writings of LaVeys have a strong dogmatic feeling attached to them (the statements, laws and sins). I know most people claim to interpret them as guidelines and I think that is a healthy relation to them but they are clearly not written to give the reader a sense of interpretational freedom.


I think Satanists in general are defensive of this point and for legitimate reasons. Since Satanism doesn't come with a specific rule book I think there is a fear that people will try to morph it into something that it isn't. Again, I think people who are predisposed to identify with the philosophy know in their gut what is and what isn't 'Satanic' because it's not a thought process... it's an inherent identity and a Satanic 'reaction' to a problem or situation will simply come naturally because it is an inherent part of who that person is.

As for interpretation & dogma, I'll defer to Dr. Aquino who said that much of TSB is polemical in nature (8:48 in this video, if you're interested). I think most who find their way to TSB understand that it wasn't ever meant to be a road map for life but, rather, a fiery little tome meant to inspire the carnal being inside.
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#43840 - 10/26/10 10:18 PM Re: A Synopsis of the Satanic Bible [Re: Fnord]
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I would like to contribute to TheInsane's post regarding "Satanists being born, not made."

"One of the thoughts where I disagree with LaVey, or at least with some interpretations made by some of his followers, is the idea of a Satanist being born not made. Now Im not saying anyone can truly feel at home as a Satanist but at the same time I do think that you some way or another do develop with a movement because you join it (in this case a philosophical movement which more than anything is mental and not organized). "

When LaVey said Satanists are born, not made, I think he was saying that we are born Satanists because we are born into the carnal and fleshly, as Satanism is the practice of mans natural* instincts. I agree that we do develop with a movement, but I think our base instincts (Satanic philosophy) was there before the movement, if that makes sense. The movement supplied the awareness. And what do you mean that anyone cannot feel truly at home being a Satanist? I feel "at home" like never before.

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#43843 - 10/26/10 10:40 PM Re: A Synopsis of the Satanic Bible [Re: Lamar]
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Look... it's not that hard.

LaVey simply meant if you are a Satanist, you were born with the instinct for those tendencies and attributes that are conducive to an acceptance of Satanism.

It does NOT mean you will pop out of the womb as a Satanist.
It does NOT mean you will be born with some esoteric knowledge of Satanism.
It simply means that those born "carrying the gene" for Satanism will be better able to display those attributes that one might expect of a Satanist.

If you are never exposed to the term Satanist, you MIGHT call yourself something else that is roughly equivalent in your culture. Or, you might just go with the flow of whatever societal mores and cultural expectancies your parents present you with... you might feel "something is missing," or, just as possibly, you might live your life happy as a clam, or you could have the "something is missing" idea and sublimate it to fit in with your cultural group.

If you never read the Satanic Bible, you still will be born possessing the propensities to exhibit similar those you'll find in the book and quite possibly echo some of the concepts in the book coinciding with the cultural equivalencies you live with.

It's that simple. Think of it as having the gene for red hair. Genetically, you can get red hair if the factors fall into place. This does not mean you will HAVE to be born with red hair. It simply means you are genetically predisposed to that trait.

If you are genetically predisposed to those traits one might expect in a Satanist, you MAY develop them, if other factors fall into place. That does not mean you HAVE to become a Satanist, or that you automatically will think of yourself as a Satanist. It simply means that your are genetically predisposed to that trait.


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#43847 - 10/27/10 03:44 AM Re: A Synopsis of the Satanic Bible [Re: Jake999]
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 Originally Posted By: Fnord
As for interpretation & dogma, I'll defer to Dr. Aquino who said that much of TSB is polemical in nature (8:48 in this video, if you're interested). I think most who find their way to TSB understand that it wasn't ever meant to be a road map for life but, rather, a fiery little tome meant to inspire the carnal being inside.


TSB is polemic for sure but when Aquino claims that the quote in question in this video should not be taken literally one cannot help but feel that it creates a big hole in what is supposed to be Satanism. I can see how Satanism is not taken literally with some practitioners who only use it as a step on the ladder towards something else. However if one is serious about it and has considered oneself a Satanist, in the LaVeyan sense of the word, for a long time I cant see how one can deny the meaning of a quote like the one brought up in the Geraldo tv-special.

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I'm not looking to pick your answer apart... just curious as to what you're referring to, specifically, here.


Well, I haven’t read TSB in years now so I can’t point to specifics. However I was never a magician. I never believed in its powers other than as a means to transform your own outlook on life – just like any other action does. Clearly LaVey put a lot of importance on “higher magic”. Half of TSB is dedicated to it and that part was always alien to me. I feel no need for ritual or ceremony in this regard and it was always an aspect of Satanism that I had no connection to whatsoever.

 Originally Posted By: Lamar
And what do you mean that anyone cannot feel truly at home being a Satanist? I feel "at home" like never before.


Satanism is not for everyone and everyone cannot feel at home with the philosophy. Sometimes I come across the feeling with other Satanists that if only people would accept their “true nature” they would identify with Satanic philosophy. I do not see it that way. I don’t think there is one true nature in human beings and that it is the same for all. We all definitely share traits, some major and some minor, but I do not feel like Satanism corresponds to the core nature of mankind. It does to some men but not to everyone. For other people other approaches are more suitable.

 Originally Posted By: Jake999

It does NOT mean you will pop out of the womb as a Satanist.
It does NOT mean you will be born with some esoteric knowledge of Satanism.
It simply means that those born "carrying the gene" for Satanism will be better able to display those attributes that one might expect of a Satanist. . .

. . .It's that simple. Think of it as having the gene for red hair. Genetically, you can get red hair if the factors fall into place. This does not mean you will HAVE to be born with red hair. It simply means you are genetically predisposed to that trait.

If you are genetically predisposed to those traits one might expect in a Satanist, you MAY develop them, if other factors fall into place. That does not mean you HAVE to become a Satanist, or that you automatically will think of yourself as a Satanist. It simply means that your are genetically predisposed to that trait.


Agreed and well said. Now I’m waiting for the scientists to find “the satanic gene” \:D

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#43850 - 10/27/10 09:53 AM Re: A Synopsis of the Satanic Bible [Re: TheInsane]
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 Originally Posted By: TheInsane

TSB is polemic for sure but when Aquino claims that the quote in question in this video should not be taken literally one cannot help but feel that it creates a big hole in what is supposed to be Satanism.


It's not a call to arms for the strong to exterminate the weak. It's a metaphor for stratification and the truth of the power philosophy and meant to impart just that.

TSB deals with very real foundational topics, but it does so in an artistic way. Understanding the work isn't purely an exercise of the mind. To me, trying out the rituals and getting into that space where you are not thinking and analyzing everything is key to development.

This conversation is beginning to remind me of the time last year when my son had to read Great Expectations for school. The teachers had the class picking apart the work looking for symbolism, looking for parts of speech, analyzing the story to death and so much so that it killed it for many including my son. Dickens didn't give a shit about symbolism or what a spot of soot could possibly represent to the whole of the story. He was just writing from that place where all good art and writing comes from.

I don't think TSB was ever meant to be critically picked apart and all meaning analyzed to death. It's a book for the heart and the mind and will make perfect sense to its intended audience.




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#46392 - 01/10/11 11:37 AM Re: A Synopsis of the Satanic Bible [Re: Fnord]
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Does anyone know how many pages
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#46395 - 01/10/11 11:41 AM Re: A Synopsis of the Satanic Bible [Re: hellbeliever]
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Here's an idea: Open the book and see for yourself.

And another one: Don't ask stupid questions. Despite what you may have been told by others, there is such a thing as a stupid question.
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#46398 - 01/10/11 11:43 AM Re: A Synopsis of the Satanic Bible [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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Does anyone know how many satans there are?
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#46403 - 01/10/11 11:47 AM Re: A Synopsis of the Satanic Bible [Re: hellbeliever]
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 Originally Posted By: hellbeliever
Does anyone know how many satans there are?


Currently there is a potential of 6,892,658,795 Satans.
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#46405 - 01/10/11 11:48 AM Re: A Synopsis of the Satanic Bible [Re: Autodidact]
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just kidding. I like to know what does satanic "bible" says anything about hell of fire there.

On youtube you can hear many things about satan and hell (mary K baxter)

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#46406 - 01/10/11 11:50 AM Re: A Synopsis of the Satanic Bible [Re: hellbeliever]
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