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#39230 - 06/10/10 03:39 PM Re: Just Another Hood Ornament [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
Fnord Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
Presidents have been figureheads ever since learning the lesson of JFK.


I think that's true.

I've wanted to ask you for quite some time, based on your background and experience, do you see your former employers (in a wide sense) fingerprints on that particular assassination?

I've been studying the assassination for a long time and what I'm most intrigued by is the information that's not really hidden but not obvious either. I started a little archiving project last year after going to Dealey Plaza where I'm collecting all photos and films taken that day that I can find. There are 13 separate films even though only one is widely known and two others are semi widely known (Muchmore & Nix). It didn't take long to convince myself that there were more shooters than one as the evidence is made clear by counting bullets, obfuscation of wounds and the little cut on James Tague's face.

Anyway, I'm convinced of HOW, but remain unconvinced about WHO. Me and millions of others I guess. Maybe the Texas oil men got together with the mafia to set Oswald up to take the fall because Kennedy and Castro shared the same mistress who was actually the wife of an angry CIA agent \:D
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#39231 - 06/10/10 06:08 PM JFK [Re: Fnord]
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Fnord
I've wanted to ask you for quite some time, based on your background and experience, do you see your former employers (in a wide sense) fingerprints on that particular assassination?

One of my good friends was USAF Colonel Fletcher Prouty, who was Oliver Stone's advisor for JFK and was played by Donald Sutherland in the film.

Fletch and I corresponded at length concerning the history and doctrine of U.S. Special Forces and PSYOP, since he and his boss, USAF Major General Edward Lansdale were principally involved with their post-WW2 development. On one occasion the subject of JFK came up, and Fletch wrote to me:

 Originally Posted By: L.F. Prouty to M.A.A. 7/2/95
... Because of the Saigon Military Mission, the CIA was in operational control of all paramilitary activity in Vietnam from 1954 to the Marine landing at Da Nang in 1955. By that time Lansdale had retired (Oct 1953 - of course this was a nominal retirement because he was actually a CIA man). During much of this time, and until his death, he was a reasonably close neighbor here in Alexandria. Lansdale's autobiography and his biography are both intentionally inaccurate, to say the least.

When I first saw the "tramps" photos, I recognized Lansdale immediately in the background of the first photo. He is the only person walking in the opposite direction For the photo, look in Garrison’s book, On the Trail of the Assassins for a set of photos that follow page 190. On the lower half of the next-to-last page of photos, you’ll see two police, the “tramps”, and one stranger. That stranger is Lansdale. To confirm this to my own satisfaction, I have sent letters to people who knew him. One response in particular, from a high ranking official of that day, is so detailed and so affirmative it is almost unbelievable - but it is signed and it is accurate.

O.K., so why is Ed there in that picture? Recall that he had been running MONGOOSE. He had hundreds of trained and skilled men whom he could use to flesh out the cover story that the true decision-makers had to have to protect the real hit team and to create the three decades of cover story that have embarrassed American citizens since that date. Ed was one of the best cover story men in the profession. For him it would be a clean job, i.e. just following orders and “no shootin’ nobody”.

The web of the cover story was Ed’s. The scope and reality of the cover story is the work of a much larger and more comprehensive team. Without such a cover story the murder and the resultant coup d’etat could not have been achieved so effectively. Anyhow that's my concept of Lansdale’s effectiveness and how he employed his skills to do just what the Kennedy clan preached: “Don’t get mad; get even.” So JFK would not give him that ambassadorship that he would have killed for. What else could he do? ...

General Lansdale, by the way, was the "General Y" of the film. He is one of the legends of the U.S. spook community, and there have been numerous books about him, usually emphatically denying he had anything to do with the JFK snuff. But Fletch's word is good enough for me. Here, by the way, Fletch was referring to the U.S. ambassadorship to South Vietnam, for which Lansdale was earmarked until the Bay of Pigs fiasco soured JFK on anyone anointed by Langley. Lansdale was also chums with the Diem family, including the "Dragon Lady" Madame Nhu. Diem, however, was snuffed right after JFK, and Lansdale never got the Saigon ambassadorship. Judging by his successful gig in the Philippines, I think we blew it, but don't start me.

 Originally Posted By: Fnord
Anyway, I'm convinced of HOW, but remain unconvinced about WHO. Me and millions of others I guess. Maybe the Texas oil men got together with the mafia to set Oswald up to take the fall because Kennedy and Castro shared the same mistress who was actually the wife of an angry CIA agent.

Well, I think the Onion nailed it:

 Originally Posted By: The Onion
DALLAS, Tex - President Kennedy was assassinated Friday by operatives of the CIA, the Giancana crime syndicate, Fidel Castro, Vice President Johnson, the Freemasons, and the Teamsters as he rode through downtown Dallas in a motorcade.

According to eyewitnesses, Kennedy's limousine had just entered Dealey Plaza when the President was struck 129 times in the head, chest abdomen, arms, legs, back, feet, and face by gunfire. The shooting began at 12:30 PM and continued until 12:43 PM CST.

In all, 43 suspects have been taken into the custody of the Dallas Police.

Preliminary reports indicate that hitmen from the Giancana crime syndicate fired from a nearby grassy knoll, CIA agents fired from an office building slightly off the parade route, Cuban nations fired from an overpass overlooking Dealey Plaza, an elite hit squad working for Teamsters president Jimmy Hoffa fired from perches atop an oak tree, a "lone nut" fired from the Texas school book depository, a shadow government sharpshooting team fired from behind a wooden fence, a consortium of jealous husbands fired from an estimated 13 sites on the sidewalk along the route, a hitman working for Johnson fired from a sewer grate over which the limousine passed, and Texas governor John Connally lunged at the President from within the limousine itself, slitting the President's throat with a combat knife.

The mortally wounded President was sped to nearby Parkland Hospital, where doctors with ties to Johnson's inner circle performed a staged autopsy. They pronounced him dead at 2:18 PM CST.

The body was then chemically treated by J. Edgar Hoover and put in a decoy casket for transport to Roswell, New Mexico. There space aliens using medical technology beyond the knowledge of man sealed Kennedy;s 129 wounds. Kennedy's corpse was then reanimated and rushed to Germany for an emergency meeting with the frozen brain of Adolf Hitler.

After the meeting Kennedy aides announced plans for the two leaders' sperm cells to be atomically sustained, planted in the womb of aspiring actress Judith Campbell, and grown into a super-race of 21st century conquerors.

According to investigators, the assassination appears to have been carefully planned and carried out in strict accordance with both the Skull & Bones Blood Rite and the Masonic "Killing of the King" rituals.

Officers found several hundred weapons within a four-block radius of the shooting site, including telescopic-sighted Weatherby Magnum rifles, Italian bolt-action 6.5mm carbines, Thompson submachine guns, Russian Kalishnikov assault rifles, and one ray gun.

The assembled killers were taken into police custody at Dallas City Hall. As they were being transferred to the county prison, however, all 43 were shot and killed by Jack Ruby, 52, a Dallas area nightclub owner.

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#39233 - 06/10/10 07:21 PM Re: U.S. Federal Deficit [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Dr. Aquino, I find it hard to believe that the federal government can continue to borrow at present levels without negative repercussions sometime down the road. Even now, taxpayers are paying over $300 billion per year in interest on the loan. The deficit is $13 trillion and growing by over a billion dollars per day. Doesn’t that bother you even a little?
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#39236 - 06/10/10 08:39 PM Re: U.S. Federal Deficit [Re: William Wright]
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 Originally Posted By: William Wright
Dr. Aquino, I find it hard to believe that the federal government can continue to borrow at present levels without negative repercussions sometime down the road. Even now, taxpayers are paying over $300 billion per year in interest on the loan. The deficit is $13 trillion and growing by over a billion dollars per day. Doesn’t that bother you even a little?

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#39237 - 06/10/10 10:38 PM Re: U.S. Federal Deficit [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
MatthewJ1
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I am not 100% sure what is happening in America at the moment with Obama and the U.S economy. I am sure Dr. A is right here and that things will sort themselves out and that the world needs the U.S.

One thing I am fairly sure of: Obama is not as stupid as Australian Prime Minister Kevin Rudd is at the moment.

Rudd is trying to force an additional tax onto the mining industry here and has run into a formidible brick wall.

Rudd doesn't seem to realise that the mining industry in Australia is huge and that every big boy in town has a piece of that sweet action.

Consequently Rudd is now getting slaughtered in the media and his approval rating is dropping significantly. If the Liberal opposition had their game together than they would win government, but so many hate opposition leader Abbott.

Australia has a federal election coming up in the next few months and Rudd is going to have to back down or compromise and lose face big time. Sheesh, he started so well and now he looks like a dead duck, not just a lame duck.

He is another crazed fool like Whitlam I think. Started well, but took on the big boys and stuffed it. Oh well.

We need a Gonzo candidate - someone who can rename Sydney "Fat City" and drive out all the incompetent swine.

Sorry, end of rant.

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#39240 - 06/11/10 02:10 AM Re: U.S. Federal Deficit [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
 Originally Posted By: William Wright
Dr. Aquino, I find it hard to believe that the federal government can continue to borrow at present levels without negative repercussions sometime down the road. Even now, taxpayers are paying over $300 billion per year in interest on the loan. The deficit is $13 trillion and growing by over a billion dollars per day. Doesn’t that bother you even a little?

Sure, here, have a good superscare.


Thank you for posting that. I told one of my closest friends that I was concerned about where things were going in our economy because of how much food alone has risen in the last 5 years. My thoughts were based on the food prices alone when talking with her.

In watching the clip I came to realize that many of my own thoughts were right in line with what they were talking about. I've been watching and talking about these exact same issues (not all but a lot of them) with friends and family the last couple of years. That single video alone confirmed many of my own beliefs as to where we're headed and what really is happening.

Our economy won't ever be the same, and for what? The government to control everything and anything for the American people? To fight some great boogeyman that we should have gotten a LONG time and billions of dollars ago? BTW, didn't we provide these same people with weapons and money? Why are we still there and truthfully, I don't think I've ever read a "straight" answer as to why we're in Afghanistan. We need to get the hell out of Afghanistan and Iraq and stop selling our own oil to other countries so we can sell and use it right here in the frickin' US. Oh, that's right, the big oil companies claim that they make better money on it going overseas. Hmmm, wonder how much debt they could pay off with their diverted profits they claim are for "clean fuel research"?

When they bailed out the banks, my other half and I BOTH agreed they should have let the "chips fall where they may". Along with the car companies.

I completely agree that we need to quit spending at Walmart. The problem is, there aren't any Mom and Pop stores around that provide clothing that's made in the USA near us. The food at our Walmart is over priced and I generally shop at other local stores for food. I watch for "grown in the USA" on my labels because I DON'T want to eat a damn cantaloupe from Guatemala or any other country. I also have a garden for that very same reason.

I can believe that our government is borrowing and borrowing without even considering the end results. They don't see the teens that can't get jobs because adults that need to feed families are taking them up 2 jobs at a time. They don't see that we aren't producing products for our own country anymore. Even goods like foods are being imported and why? Because it's easier/cheaper to import than it is to get Americans to work. The "entitlement" (as we call it around here) mind set was established long before my birth and continues to grow in each generation. Something I've had to instill in both of my children (and our "extra" children, step children and friends of my oldest) is that NO ONE OWES YOU ANYTHING! If they want something, they need to earn it and earn it with hard work, even around here. My son (19) and his best friend (20 and is currently away at AT for the Army) that lives with us have to work, and still help out around here. It's part of being a family and contributing. They know that what is asked of them to do around here is expected to be done in a timely manner and does benefit everyone, including themselves. I still hear from time to time "Why should I have to do that when so and so doesn't." and the response they get is, "It's what needs to be done and if you lived on your own you'd have to do it anyway. So get it done." They're talking to one person that works 12 to 14 hours a day and another that will be working at least that, if not more, within the next 2 weeks. The youngest helps out with chores and is expected to get good grades. Poor grades are not an option for him being that he reads at a 7th - 8th grade level and is going into the 4th grade. He also knows that he can freely ask for help and that with work, he can get through just about anything. Although, I will say, after seeing how he was being taught math, I've been making sure he knows how to add, subtract, multiply and divide the RIGHT way.

The fact that we Americans are so dependent on other nations is not only our government's fault but our own. Too many expect others to fix things for them, when they could get off of their own butts and fix sooooo many more things for themselves. We need to start farming in the US again, and it may become a NEED sooner than most people think. Garage/yard sales will become a huge benefit for most to clean out their closets from year to year and get rid of lots of the "extras" they horde. Goodwill, Salvation Army and Volunteers of America will grow with their shops turning up all over the US. It will become a NEED, not a want and people will have to rethink their buying/spending leisure more and more. I can only hope to see more Mom and Pop stores turn back up in my life time with goods that are made and grown right here in the USA, though I feel very doubtful about that.

I'm curious though, has anyone thought through what does happen if our government cuts their spending as well? If they end the Department of Education and Department of Energy, where does everyone think those people that had those jobs will go? They will end up in the unemployment lines and still cost the US money. We might save 1/2 the cost of those two departments, when it's all said and done.

I think the biggest change would come if "our" government officials, starting from the bottom up had to go on medicaid and medicare, instead of their great insurance that they get for holding an government position. We'd save quite a bit there alone and they'd get a great view of how the SYSTEM really works.

To boot, I really dislike the idea of an IRS "branch" overseeing who does have medical benefits and who doesn't. That to me is ridiculous on SOOOOO many levels, it's not funny. If they're going to go after people who don't have benefits then they had damn well better go after big companies that offer "discount" medical plans that are disguised as health plans and are charging exorbitant amounts for them. I've never seen anything more ludicrous than the discount medical plan my soon to be EX-company offered as a medical plan and tried to charge me $75 a week for. I could walk in to a doctor's office for a regular visit and get a better discount for paying for the visit then and there, and save the damn $75. It is mind blowing that people are actually paying for this defunct "medical plan". That company is definitely big enough to afford real medical insurance and no reason they should be allowed to get away with offering such garbage under the guise of a medical plan.

And now the government will add jobs for the IRS that aren't really NEEDED either. We wonder why the public in general buys things they really don't "need"? Oh, wait, those same people in office were once a part of the public too? There goes that same damn circle, over and over again.

I truly think the web that our government has woven is pretty nasty and when the holes open up, quite a few government officials will be caught dangling more than they care to. The sad part is, I don't feel there's a good way out of any of it, no matter what direction they decide to go, at this point and the US won't recover any time soon, if at all. Businesses may see some financial incline, but the once-middle-class will be gone and private finances will not get better, only worse.

My time will soon be split between 2 jobs, one full time at night and a part time gig during the day. It's going to be rough going for a while (while the season advances for the day time gig) but I'm done living from pay check to pay check and still not making ends meet anywhere in the middle, when just 5 years ago we were well set with just my other half's income alone. Things were good, VERY good but the cost of just living is chipping away like a huge ax and there doesn't seem to be an end in sight. I'll be working hard on my art and crafts on my nights off for a bit more of my own piece of the pie. Although that pie seems to be filled with some pretty sour grapes. Never have I had to work 2 jobs to keep things afloat (even when I had nothing, literally) and yet here I am, getting ready to do exactly that. And the insanity of this government will keep marching on.


****I didn't mean to make this such a long rant, it just touched on far to many topics that kept me going. Something about government spending MORE just irritates the piss out of me......or maybe I'm just more tired than I thought.
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#39245 - 06/11/10 11:10 AM Re: JFK [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Thanks for the post Dr. Aquino!

I've read Garrison's book and have several Prouty interviews in my archive. It was his discussion of group 113 from San Antonio, who should have been there but weren't, that really sparked my interest in just what the CIA was up to in Dallas that day.

I've been meaning to do some more reading on Lansdale and your letter's made me all the more curious.

It's fascinating to me, this whole case. The more you read about it the more it just opens up more questions. Sometimes I wish I just wasn't attracted to this sort of thing. Every time I see a loose end I feel compelled to pull at it. It's not just this case either... I have dozens that are the same way for me. Oh well, it keeps me from being like the herd I suppose.
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#39248 - 06/11/10 01:12 PM Re: U.S. Federal Deficit [Re: Nyte]
Michael A.Aquino Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Nyte
I truly think the web that our government has woven is pretty nasty and when the holes open up, quite a few government officials will be caught dangling more than they care to. The sad part is, I don't feel there's a good way out of any of it, no matter what direction they decide to go, at this point and the US won't recover any time soon, if at all. Businesses may see some financial incline, but the once-middle-class will be gone and private finances will not get better, only worse.

Corporate business is doing fine; it swung the bailout, exports all possible jobs to 3rd-world sweatshops, has a steady supply of docile/frightened illegals to use at minimum cost here, tax-exempts its money in the Bahamas, sells to captive markets once it's underbid-out the small competitors, and always has the mushrooming military and arms industries to enforce its overseas interests and pay fat contracts. If the domestic masses get too restless, angry, or demanding, just stage another foreign attack to refocus them into accept-anything patriotism.

 Originally Posted By: Hermann Göring
Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

This isn't "conspiracy theory"; it's just business as usual. That's the point "X" was making in the JFK clip:

 Originally Posted By: "X"
That's the real question, isn't it: Why? The "how" is just scenery for the suckers. Oswald, Cuba, Ruby, Mafia - It keeps people guessing like a parlor game, but it prevents them from asking the most important question: Why? Why was Kennedy killed? Who benefitted? Who has the power to cover it up?

War is good for business, which is why Obama has kept right on with W's hyperexpensive little wars in Iraq & Afghanistan, despite the fact that unemployed, foreclosed, and bankrupt Americans could certainly use the cash. This too has been going on a long time.
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#39256 - 06/12/10 12:50 AM Re: U.S. Federal Deficit [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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This is all true, but without ruling anything out we should not make the mistake of attributing to conspiracy that which can be adequately explained by sheer incompetence - especially given the Jewish Christian lies of WMD that lead to the invasion of Iraq in the first place. Whenever a nation does something thoroughly stupid it is always from the most noble of intentions, never the basest. It was all about that most noble of great American ideals: Freedom.

In a military sense a practical observation on the risks of stupidity was made by the German General Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord in Truppenführung , 1933:

I divide my officers into four classes; the clever, the lazy, the industrious, and the stupid. Each officer possesses at least two of these qualities. Those who are clever and industrious are fitted for the highest staff appointments. Use can be made of those who are stupid and lazy. The man who is clever and lazy however is for the very highest command; he has the temperament and nerves to deal with all situations. But whoever is stupid and industrious is a menace and must be removed immediately!

Where the stupid are arrogant and the intelligent are filled with doubt, the stupid have the best of it in this world. They can sit at their ease and gape as the story is told. If they know nothing of victory, they are at least spared the knowledge of defeat. As Orwell famously wrote: "Ignorance is Strength".

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#39258 - 06/12/10 01:45 AM Re: U.S. Federal Deficit [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
 Originally Posted By: Nyte
I truly think the web that our government has woven is pretty nasty and when the holes open up, quite a few government officials will be caught dangling more than they care to. The sad part is, I don't feel there's a good way out of any of it, no matter what direction they decide to go, at this point and the US won't recover any time soon, if at all. Businesses may see some financial incline, but the once-middle-class will be gone and private finances will not get better, only worse.

Corporate business is doing fine; it swung the bailout, exports all possible jobs to 3rd-world sweatshops, has a steady supply of docile/frightened illegals to use at minimum cost here, tax-exempts its money in the Bahamas, sells to captive markets once it's underbid-out the small competitors, and always has the mushrooming military and arms industries to enforce its overseas interests and pay fat contracts. If the domestic masses get too restless, angry, or demanding, just stage another foreign attack to refocus them into accept-anything patriotism.

 Originally Posted By: Hermann Göring
Naturally the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

This isn't "conspiracy theory"; it's just business as usual. That's the point "X" was making in the JFK clip:

 Originally Posted By: "X"
That's the real question, isn't it: Why? The "how" is just scenery for the suckers. Oswald, Cuba, Ruby, Mafia - It keeps people guessing like a parlor game, but it prevents them from asking the most important question: Why? Why was Kennedy killed? Who benefitted? Who has the power to cover it up?

War is good for business, which is why Obama has kept right on with W's hyperexpensive little wars in Iraq & Afghanistan, despite the fact that unemployed, foreclosed, and bankrupt Americans could certainly use the cash. This too has been going on a long time.



I've agreed more than once that without our government keeping the boogeyman concept alive, they would have to face the real problems in America alone. I remember exactly where I was on 9/11 and what I was doing that morning. I also remember watching the very first of the attacks on Iraq and my new boss being in complete awe during the broadcasting of it. He whispered, "Our military power is incredible." I shook my head knowing deep down inside that we weren't attacking what we really should have been but I knew the American people wanted some form of vengeance and justice for 9/11. Most of the people I knew had bought into the speeches right down the line. This was going to pacify some of that, whether right or wrong wouldn't matter. So long as they can disguise their justifications for what they are really doing, the American public will fall in step, hook, line, and sinker.

As for corporations doing better, I've had the pleasure of my other half being a truck driver and seeing how it all plays out. Truck loads were down until about Feb. of this year. His boss was worried he was going to have to give up a truck or two to keep the guys he had working. Now though, they have more loads, and larger loads then they've had in over a year. The OTR drivers are now in city trucks because of how much they are running locally. Hell, I think they've got more loads then even 2 years ago. The corporations are gaining ground again, but by the time my 9 year old turns 18, I am afraid there won't be a middle class at all and that's one thing that truly does separate us from many countries.

As for the illegals, something really does need to be done about them. They come here to work, and ship their money back home without ever paying one penny in taxes. What's even more fun are the immigrants that come here on work visas and turn around at the end of the seasons with their earnings to not claim taxes on them as well. It's sickening because their employers know this and still continue to hire them, each season. They get free housing while they are here and use our medical through their work visas. We can't provide medical to citizens that are born here and yet because someone comes over to work for a 5 or 6 month season they get medical help? Hell, they get a fantastic ride if they go to college here. I'd love to be able to get housing, food, medical and schooling all on tax payers' money without having to work a day in my life but because I was born here, I'm exempt from that great program. I loved reading the "emergency medical plan for immigrants" in a friend's booklet (she had to get help after her husband packed up and left without any warning) from the local assistant program. Our state actually designates medical to immigrants that have just come here. How sweet of them.

Ya know, I feel there are a few ways to fix some, if not all of these problems, but the American public along with corporate America probably wouldn't like it, especially the oil companies. All though, at some point people are going to start looking at where our current and recent past governments have been taking them, and hopefully will pull their heads out of their asses in time to finally tell our "leaders" to stop all together. I probably won't be alive to see it though.
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#39261 - 06/12/10 02:35 AM Re: U.S. Federal Deficit [Re: School Bully]
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 Originally Posted By: School Bully
This is all true, but without ruling anything out we should not make the mistake of attributing to conspiracy that which can be adequately explained by sheer incompetence - especially given the Jewish Christian lies of WMD that lead to the invasion of Iraq in the first place. Whenever a nation does something thoroughly stupid it is always from the most noble of intentions, never the basest. It was all about that most noble of great American ideals: Freedom.

In a military sense a practical observation on the risks of stupidity was made by the German General Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord in Truppenführung , 1933:

I divide my officers into four classes; the clever, the lazy, the industrious, and the stupid. Each officer possesses at least two of these qualities. Those who are clever and industrious are fitted for the highest staff appointments. Use can be made of those who are stupid and lazy. The man who is clever and lazy however is for the very highest command; he has the temperament and nerves to deal with all situations. But whoever is stupid and industrious is a menace and must be removed immediately!

Where the stupid are arrogant and the intelligent are filled with doubt, the stupid have the best of it in this world. They can sit at their ease and gape as the story is told. If they know nothing of victory, they are at least spared the knowledge of defeat. As Orwell famously wrote: "Ignorance is Strength".



I don't believe for a second that freedom had a damn thing to do with our war in Iraq. In talking to people that haven't been paying attention all along, that's what the ideal of this war in Iraq has become, not what it started out to be and wasn't even close to being presented as. The sheeple now believe it's about freedom, when, in fact it's about control in a part of the world, we shouldn't be in, at least not in our current faculty. It WAS about trying to finish a father's "quest" and it was presented as taking care of a country that "had" WMD. Even that lie floated to the top of the shit pond, as will so many others. The sad part is, there were sooooo many lies presented, we'll probably never know the complete truth, though the boogeyman is still out there and we're now going to try to control another part of the world we haven't belonged in from the start. Controling the oil, big business, money, and people, making anyone that will believe think that it's all about freedom, now.

I wouldn't call ignorance strength by any shot. You might be able to fool ignorant people for a while, but eventually they are going to start questioning you. Especially when they don't get to your point B in the timely manner you said they should have. Yes, they want to be spoon fed what they feel they need to hear at any given time, but those that have caught on to the game will eventually get louder and louder. We're starting to see a little bit of that and with technology today, it doesn't take long for them to be heard any more. Maybe my other half is right, I am the ever optimistic soul but I've watched the changes in people around me, and they have in fact gone from faithful sheeple to questioning life and what is happening around/to them. They're trying to figure out how to make things work for them, instead of waiting for "anything" to happen for them. They see more clearly what IS happening and aren't buying into what is being spoon fed anymore. It's only a matter of time before we'll get to see who will stay willfully ignorant, or those that will learn and decide what to do with that knowledge. Hopefully, something more than twittering about when someone shit will become more important (like these types of discussions). Time will tell.
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#39265 - 06/12/10 04:08 AM Re: JFK [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I don't know if you have seen the below site Dr. Aquino, but I find it to be quite a good one.

I assume its info is genuine. It also features Ike's farewell address.

http://www.militaryindustrialcomplex.com

It still seems like a lot of money is being poured through this particular part of the empire system.

Man, your Goering quote was spot on the money. I am so surprised by these Nazi leaders. They just stated it in plain language! Most leaders just grin at the clueless audience and talk about these sorts of things in smoky backrooms.

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#39278 - 06/12/10 01:50 PM Re: JFK [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: MatthewJ1
I don't know if you have seen the below site Dr. Aquino, but I find it to be quite a good one.

I assume its info is genuine. It also features Ike's farewell address.

http://www.militaryindustrialcomplex.com

It still seems like a lot of money is being poured through this particular part of the empire system.

Man, your Goering quote was spot on the money. I am so surprised by these Nazi leaders. They just stated it in plain language! Most leaders just grin at the clueless audience and talk about these sorts of things in smoky backrooms.



That was a VERY interesting link. Very eye opening indeed. I'm curious as to how many corporations are repeatedly contracted. I noticed Oshkosh, Corp. came up SEVERAL times under the Army contracts. It makes me wonder how many government officials are connected to these companies and how much they're making from them. What plays out behind "public eye" is definitely a lot bigger than most sheeple can fathom. I'm also wondering how many corporations that have secured these huge contracts are connected, like the big "sister" corporations in general retail. I wonder if the general public would really look at this info, instead of the great bottom line numbers, and would make the same connections? That many of these companies are actually one in the same (sister corporations, the probability is extremely high) and that they hold several contracts for the same service/product several times through out just this list. The sheeple really don't have a CLUE.
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#39393 - 06/18/10 03:03 PM Re: JFK [Re: Nyte]
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I'm not an Obama supporter or detractor. My only opinion is, how can ANYBODY get this country back on track after only being in the White House for just over 17 months after an incompetent schmuck like Bush spent 8 YEARS flushing it down the toilet?

Because of Bush this country is morally, spiritually and financially bankrupt.

Because of Bush, Obama is trying to put out a forest fire with a spray bottle.
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#39395 - 06/18/10 03:28 PM Re: JFK [Re: Knievel74]
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Posts: 2085
Loc: Texas
 Originally Posted By: Knievel74
I'm not an Obama supporter or detractor. My only opinion is, how can ANYBODY get this country back on track after only being in the White House for just over 17 months after an incompetent schmuck like Bush spent 8 YEARS flushing it down the toilet?

Because of Bush this country is morally, spiritually and financially bankrupt.

Because of Bush, Obama is trying to put out a forest fire with a spray bottle.


I suppose actually backing up exactly HOW Bush single handedly ruined this country is going to prove too much for this thread. You're the second one in this thread to bring the unsupported hyperbole despite my asking for specific examples on page one.

Maybe you have something to teach. Honestly, I'd love to hear it. Please supply specific examples of exactly and precisely how Bush was such a horrible president based upon his specific acts.
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