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#392 - 09/17/07 11:43 AM Question.
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from what I understand, Satanism comes down to open-mindedness. it embraces both light (awareness) and dark (unawareness) as necessary for existence. it advocates the conversion of dark to light, but acknowledges that there will always be darkness.

am I right in saying that? if so, then I consider myself a satanist.


Edited by rottingteeth (09/17/07 11:43 AM)
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#400 - 09/17/07 05:21 PM Re: Question. [Re: rottingteeth]
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There is no real definition about what exactly a Satanist is, because there are so many varieties. Everybody has their own specific outlook on everything. The open mindedness, I think, is universal, I'm sure we've all been preached at some time or another in our lifetimes, and obviously resisted it. Satanism, to me anyways, is about putting yourself above all the rest.

If others are happy just coasting through life accepting what others tell them, that's fine, but it's not for me. -- That statement is what describes Satanism best, for me. I am sure others will disagree, and that's what makes things interesting.

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#402 - 09/17/07 05:44 PM Re: Question. [Re: Meph]
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If others are happy just coasting through life accepting what others tell them, that's fine, but it's not for me. -- That statement is what describes Satanism best, for me.


that's exactly what I was saying, just worded another way. open-mindedness, not just accepting what other people tell you, but questioning everything. anyone can be close-minded, though, no matter what they choose to call themselves.

I've chosen to call myself a satanist for a few reasons...one is because it doesn't matter what I call myself, I know I have an open mind and that's all that matters. and no matter what I choose to call myself, there will inevitably be some group of people that will get offended. (christians will be offended that I call myself a satanist, atheists get offended when someone calls themself a christian. someone always gets offended.) another reason is because satan is associated with indulgence, and I believe it's important to have fun in life, to indulge. you don't have to hurt people to do that. if you know what you're doing, everyone is happy in the end.

christianity is too associated with abstinence. they seem to think that they must be miserable in this life in order to get to heaven. they've also become (or have they always been?) the exact opposite of what they should be. they are hateful and destructive, but believe they are right. okay, I'm going to stop ranting now...thanks for the reply.
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#406 - 09/17/07 06:10 PM Re: Question. [Re: rottingteeth]
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Satanist, Christian, Jew, Muslim... they're all just labels. The only thing that matters is what you believe, and even that only matters to yourself. As long as you're comfortable with it, I say go for it. I don't call myself a Satanist, I say I am myself. If I say I'm a Satanist, then I have to elaborate what kind of Satanist I am, much like with the Christians having their Lutherans, Baptists, Catholics, and so forth. Frankly it just doesn't matter that much to me. Everybody has their own individual outlook on everything, and that applies all the way down to how you interpret each word I write, I may mean it one way, and you could go in a totally opposite direction with it, and that's how it should be. We'll all find out how right we really were one day.
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#430 - 09/18/07 08:34 AM Re: Question. [Re: Meph]
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I have to agree with Meph. All of it is a label, and none of it describes *you* any more than the label on your pants describe you. The reason most of us flock to these satanic forums is to be able to share ideas, beliefs, and stray thoughts with people that we know are open-minded enough to not think we are trying to convert them, or that feel they need to "save us" from such radical thoughts.
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#441 - 09/18/07 02:17 PM Re: Question. [Re: rottingteeth]
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The "nobility of suffering" is a ridiculous concept, one that made me leave the Christian fold long ago, though even when I was growing up and naively faithful, I never felt religiously inclined. There is no nobility in suffering. Though Christians often witness suffering with their own eyes, the will of the Creator is the excuse they give for the condition of many of those suffering. They use the excuse that life is fleeting and the afterlife is for eternity, and so the condition of the soul is of paramount importance. Notice, though, how many who feel that suffering is the key to the gate of heaven, are reluctant to place themselves in a situation of suffering unless they have already found themselves in such a position. Asceticism is, as far as I know, a thing of the past.

You cannot please everyone, so don't waste your time trying. Please yourself, instead.
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#442 - 09/18/07 02:41 PM Re: Question. [Re: Draculesti]
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 Originally Posted By: Draculesti
You cannot please everyone, so don't waste your time trying. Please yourself, instead.


Amen (had to throw in some irony), that's all anyone really needs to know...

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#451 - 09/18/07 11:52 PM Re: Question. [Re: Meph]
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don't they realize that if they suffer, others suffer too? if they were completely selfless, and gave every last bit of themselves to others, it would lead to their destruction. if everyone were completely selfless, everyone would give every last bit of energy up for others, but no one would take anything, and they would all die. the same goes for complete selfishness, it is destructive.

if you are somewhere in the middle, but don't have a perfect balance, it is possible to survive, but you will have problems. if you find the perfect balance, 50% selflessness and 50% selfishness, you can be fully happy and productive and have no suffering.

I was born into a christian family and brought up as a christian, and I knew it had some good in it, or potential, but it was surrounded by fear and worry and stress. that is because christianity leans too far on selflessness. I also thought that satanists were about being completely selfish, and I thought that if it were really all about themselves, why weren't they always killing others? if they really had all that hate, why didn't they all kill themselves as well? that's ridiculous, everyone knows (or they should know...)that when you hurt others, it hurts you. if you destroy others it will lead to your destruction.

I thought Satanism was about pride. thinking YOU are all that matters. but without others, how can you even exist? you can't. you MUST acknoweledge others.

christianity has something right. selflessness is definitely important...

but Satanism has something right, too, selfishness is also important.

I think, at their core, you find the same truth. God is just associated by more with selflessness (which is considered "good") and Satan is associated by more with selfishness (which is considered "evil"). but both are absolutely necessary.

I've chosen personally to call this balance Satan because he represents, to me, indulgence. fun. we're supposed to have fun in life and enjoy it, and I think (the majority of) christians try to practice too much abstinence. they are also close-minded, which hurts others, though they may not realize it.



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#467 - 09/19/07 07:55 AM Re: Question. [Re: rottingteeth]
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I admire men like vlad the dracula,adolf hitler ,idi amin,can you make me that great?
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#469 - 09/19/07 09:32 AM Re: Question. [Re: Albert]
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 Originally Posted By: Albert
I admire men like vlad the dracula,adolf hitler ,idi amin,can you make me that great?


And here is another of those fools that make the rest of us look bad. Do us all a favor Albert, go hang yourself.

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#472 - 09/19/07 11:03 AM Re: Question. [Re: Sliver]
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Quite readily you pass judgement on others... It maybe not be wise to go out and shout "I'm a Satanist and admire murderous dictators!" as in that aspect I understand why it would further tarnish the public image of Satanists but what is it to you who admires whom?
I also admire some of Hitlers attributes and his great prowess, and there are a lot of others too. Some people just know what they want and how to get it.

Should I go hang myself now?

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#473 - 09/19/07 11:29 AM Re: Question. [Re: MaggotFaceMoe]
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 Originally Posted By: MaggotFaceMoe
Quite readily you pass judgement on others... It maybe not be wise to go out and shout "I'm a Satanist and admire murderous dictators!" as in that aspect I understand why it would further tarnish the public image of Satanists but what is it to you who admires whom?
I also admire some of Hitlers attributes and his great prowess, and there are a lot of others too. Some people just know what they want and how to get it.

Should I go hang myself now?


There are some qualities that each of those people have that can be seen as admirable, and that is not my argument for Albert.

My beef with Albert is the fact that he just signed up for the forum and made (at that time at least, I have not rechecked the fact) just the one post. This one post was completely off topic, and certainly seems quite out of place with the rest of the discussion. Now, taking all that data into account, and thinking about the people that would do searches trying to link Satanists and Nazis or Mass Murders, posts like this make the rest of us look bad.

As your post shows, when all the data is not made available, things can be taken out of context quite easily. In my post, I suggested he hang himself for admiring someone, which to most that read it likely makes me sound like a closed minded fool. But looking at his post, and the names he invokes, and his history on this forum, my suggestion of him hanging himself is made only so that we may not have to deal with him on the forums.

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#476 - 09/19/07 02:05 PM Re: Question. [Re: Albert]
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 Originally Posted By: Albert
I admire men like vlad the dracula,adolf hitler ,idi amin,can you make me that great?

Poor Albert getting your throat handed back to you so quickly...

All of the men you mention came to a not so great demise... While all had some great leadership qualities, their stupidity shows itself in their treatment of people who willfully follow them...

So I ask you would you stand to be greater than those you mention or are you just here pulling our virtual cocks...

Heads up: You are the only person that can make yourself great...

Good luck...
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#478 - 09/19/07 03:41 PM Re: Question. [Re: ta2zz]
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haha, you guys are awesome, so sensible. I'm glad I joined this forum.
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#667 - 09/26/07 02:30 PM Re: Question. [Re: rottingteeth]
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if they were completely selfless, and gave every last bit of themselves to others, it would lead to their destruction.
Look at what happened to Christ!

Few can deny that there are good aspects of Christianity. However, there is a difference between "goodwill towards your fellow man" and laying yourself out like a rug to be trod upon, which I believe was the gist of what you were trying to say about "balance." If you are familiar with the Satanic Bible, you will no doubt recognize the quote "Kindness to those who deserve it." That, more than any other, was the tenet that "clicked" with me. This doesn't mean that you just merely decide upon meeting a person whether they deserve it or not based on a snap judgement. Ostensibly, Satanism appears "cruel," but in reality it is not so. We don't bite the heads of off people because we automatically think of them as undeserving. It is only after they have proven whether they are the deserving kind that we ultimately decide (or at least it is that way for me).

The most wonderfully, deliciously twisted aspect of Christianity is, if you will notice, that selflessness is not without its ulterior motives. Selflessness in Christianity is likened to giving a donation to Goodwill for a tax write-off. "I do something good for someone else and that makes me look just a little bit better in God's eyes. If I do enough, why I might even get into heaven!" That is why I despise missionary work. Missionaries are sent to third-world countries on a "goodwill" mission for hunger relief, innoculations, etc. However, in return these people must suffer indoctrination in the Christian faith. Many cultures have been wiped out (though the people of that culture often remain) because the old ways were usurped by Christendom. It is merely Christian imperialism (disguised as charity) only in this day and age, it is unlawful to invade and conquer with swords and make the people choose between annihilation or conversion.

Still, I happen to think that selflessness with ulterior motives is, rather than something to be associated with "evil," it is something to be associated with just being human. I'm not Christian, but very often (not always) I'll find myself wondering "what is in this for me?" Even when I think this, I don't always ask for or expect anything in return, but the thought is still there. The difference with Christianity is, according to doctrine, they are not supposed to think/feel this way and, yet, there it is! This only further illustrates that basic human impulses are seen as disgraceful in the eyes of Christianity. Christianity is, at its core, corrupt, which can lead to the corruption of the faithful, because perfectly natural basic human impulses must be denied in order to be faithful with the doctrine propounded by the Bible. It is enough to make a person go mad.

Selflessness/selfishness, as you can see, are in a sort of tandem relationship (I think I'm just reiterating what you said, just with different words). It is neither Satanic nor Christian, it is just human.
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#754 - 10/01/07 02:46 PM Re: Question. [Re: rottingteeth]
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i don't believe i've ever heard of the "nobility of suffering", but i have heard of noblese oblige. a noble's obligation. personally, i think that a Satanist should see himself as superior because he's putting forth superior effort (it being comparatively easy to surpass the average human). however, a Satanist also has a responsibility to himself, his fellow Satanists, and the world at large. basically, it's this: don't sell yourself short, don't be a total asshole, and don't ever give up.

...these are the obligations of his nobility.

everyone suffers, and i think it's up to the individual to alleviate himself of whatever ails him.

all that light/dark stuff is just semantics.

Hail the new Satanic Aeon!


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#767 - 10/01/07 07:31 PM Re: Question. [Re: Venger Satanis]
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 Originally Posted By: Venger Satanis
i think that a Satanist should see himself as superior because he's putting forth superior effort (it being comparatively easy to surpass the average human).


Just what are you saying? A Satanist should feel superior because it is easy for him to surpass the average person? Are you saying he should feel superior due to his being superior? Are you saying anything at all?

 Originally Posted By: Venger Satanis
a Satanist also has a responsibility to himself, his fellow Satanists, and the world at large. basically, it's this: don't sell yourself short, don't be a total asshole, and don't ever give up.


I have a responsibility to myself and my own, my brood or pack so to speak… I have no responsibility to you because you choose to use a title I identify myself with… Unless I choose to make it so…

Very few people are total assholes… We all have friends…

Do you think never giving up is a lesson that any Satanist would need? A Satanist knows when to give up…

Peace

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#775 - 10/02/07 12:00 AM Re: Question. [Re: ta2zz]
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noblese oblige...

a term used by the Knight during the middle ages.

In practical terms, the noble right to do whatever you want by force, self made law, or deed.
Remember the law of first right, that was often insisted upon....

Oh, that means that your knight or lord can fuck your wife first on your wedding night.

Thus you never know who is the father of your first child.

If you are superior, then then there is no need to proclaim it, it shows all by itself.
If you have to point it out, then you just don't have it.

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#779 - 10/02/07 12:22 AM Re: Question. [Re: Venger Satanis]
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There is a Zen proverb that goes "without suffering the soul cannot grow." Stoics (in the classical Hellenic sense) seek to transcend normal human suffering through Reason and Natural Law.

We in the West live lives mostly removed from suffering and Natural Law. Reason these days seems to be taking a back seat to people's 'feeeeelings.'

Most 'satanist' in the West lack any credibility in regards to suffering, reason or Natural Law because their live's range from the modestly Epicurean to the lavishly Hedonistic.

Rare is the Satanist who truly understands suffering or vice at a fundamental level. At best, they dabble at the periphery of it.

Stick to what you know...


Edited by Fist (10/02/07 12:36 AM)
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#812 - 10/02/07 05:43 PM Re: Question. [Re: rottingteeth]
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Just what are you saying? A Satanist should feel superior because it is easy for him to surpass the average person? Are you saying he should feel superior due to his being superior? Are you saying anything at all?


I’m saying that a Satanist, or anyone, should only feel superior when he is acting in a superior or above average way. If you're living in this world as an ordinary person, then you shouldn’t consider yourself superior at all.

yes, everyone has friends of some kind (even if they are imaginary). So we can’t use that definition for an asshole, otherwise there would be no assholes in the world... and as we all know, that's not true. This is how i would define asshole:

a detestable, mean, and obnoxiously overbearing person.

To put it in LaVeyan Satanic terms, if you walk into open territory and see someone who you don’t know and strike them without provocation, then you are an asshole. Obviously, what provokes one might not provoke another. But we usually know an asshole when we find one.

If your own brood or pack consists solely of your immediate friends and family, then I think a Satanist’s responsibility does in fact extend beyond this.

a noble's responsibility doesn't require an ordinary person to give a fuck about anyone, but that's what removes nobility from the average joe.

People give up all the time. Doesn’t matter if they are a Satanist, a christian, an Atheist, a mechanic, or a doctor. This world beats us down, it kills hope and dreams. Learning not to give up in the face of adversity is of prime importance and something severely lacking in all walks of life. if someone is following their True Will, then they must never give up. never ever ever give up. that is the key.

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noblese oblige...

a term used by the Knight during the middle ages.

In practical terms, the noble right to do whatever you want by force, self made law, or deed.
Remember the law of first right, that was often insisted upon....

Oh, that means that your knight or lord can fuck your wife first on your wedding night.

Thus you never know who is the father of your first child.

If you are superior, then there is no need to proclaim it, it shows all by itself.
If you have to point it out, then you just don't have it.

Morgan


actually... no. sorry, Morgan, but you’re thinking of something else entirely with a completely different name: droit du seigneur, loosely translated as the “right of the lord”.

many times, superiority is invisible to the masses, and it must be proclaimed! i think Nietzsche would agree with me there.


Hail the new Satanic Aeon!


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#820 - 10/02/07 08:11 PM Re: Question. [Re: Venger Satanis]
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 Originally Posted By: Venger Satanis
If you're living in this world as an ordinary person, then you shouldn’t consider yourself superior at all.


I agree… But is this truly what you were trying to say?

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yes, everyone has friends of some kind (even if they are imaginary).


We were not talking about your friends and followers derrick…

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To put it in LaVeyan Satanic terms, if you walk into open territory and see someone who you don’t know and strike them without provocation, then you are an asshole.


Wrong I break a Satanic rule of the earth… This does what condemns my soul to heaven?

What if it is my way to hit random pissants? Would I then not be acting very Satanic to my own means?

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But we usually know an asshole when we find one.


They tend to stink…

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If your own brood or pack consists solely of your immediate friends and family, then I think a Satanist’s responsibility does in fact extend beyond this.


This is your thought nothing more… This is your way…

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a noble's responsibility doesn't require an ordinary person to give a fuck about anyone, but that's what removes nobility from the average joe.


Are you recognizing my nobility? ;\)

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This world beats us down, it kills hope and dreams.


This is a sad world you live in but you welcome the chaos remember?

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Learning not to give up in the face of adversity is of prime importance and something severely lacking in all walks of life.


Not all walks… But I understand why you feel this is an important lesson…

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if someone is following their True Will, then they must never give up. never ever ever give up. that is the key.


Lets tell a story of a man who makes a game… Everybody thinks the game is pretty much useless shit… The man will never ever ever give up because he knows better than most that people need this game… He dies wanting never achieving anything never able to see what he was doing wrong… Not willing to try something different… Thinking all along how wrong everybody else is…

Your Satanist model dead ends pretty quickly don’t you think? Roll 2 D-10 to see the damage to your charisma due to this failure…

 Originally Posted By: Morgan
If you are superior, then there is no need to proclaim it, it shows all by itself.
If you have to point it out, then you just don't have it. ~ Morgan


Well said, Morgan…

 Originally Posted By: Venger Satanis
many times, superiority is invisible to the masses, and it must be proclaimed! i think Nietzsche would agree with me there.


Nietzsche doesn’t do much thinking lately… Looking for support from a dead guy rings a bit lost to me…

Good day…

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#836 - 10/03/07 01:16 AM Re: Question. [Re: ta2zz]
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noblese oblige

The bottom line is still this, a term used by the Knight during the middle ages.

In practical terms, the noble right to do whatever you want by force, self made law, or deed.

To look at it in Romantic Arthurian legend terms is just not real. These men, killed, ate, took, and were not generally nice people.

They respected or understood fighting, the church, and the king (state). They were mercenaries. You can dress it up, and try to make it look pretty, but in the end, they killed for money more often than a ladies' favor.

That which doesn't kill us makes us stronger, the uberman, etc. BUT how many actually do something outside of themselves. How many try to be something more. How many look in the mirror and think damn, I learned something new today. How many want to learn something new. How many want something more for themselves and go after it. How many actually influence other people to be or do something more.

How many just go home and sit on the couch, drink and beer and watch the telly proclaiming that they are the highest embodiment of all. Yeah right, hail those satanist..

How many settled....
And Just still dont realize it.

Fuck it, I am just disgusted at the stupidity on this board lately.
I expect better of you guys, and in the past you have been better.
Geeze, I feel like your Mom.

Morg

You are all grounded....
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#837 - 10/03/07 03:11 AM Re: Question. [Re: Morgan]
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Come on,

There was at least a little bit of historical fact in Braveheart.

Don't tell me you've never seen the movie, if you do then are a fucking lie.

"Noblesse" oblige is basically what Longshanks described as "Prima Nocte" or (first night) which is by definition what Morgan pointed out from the very beginning.

But fuck it, lets call it for what it is/was (rape)

Of course while this was a well known European law at one time, it was not introduced into Europe for a couple of centuries after this movie was set. But that's beside the point here.

These people felt that with nobility came social "responsibilities". Well ... if you want to count condescending, patronizing & hypocritical attitudes responsibilities, then they were genius at it.

Of course even in modern times in the military noblesse oblige can be found. It's a private motto of every officer of the United States Marine Corp. (Of course it's not meant like the aforementioned. but more like the Spider-Man: "With great power comes great responsibility." idea in mind.)

Venger Satanis:

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a noble's responsibility doesn't require an ordinary person to give a fuck about anyone, but that's what removes nobility from the average joe.


Bullshit, the only thing that separated nobility from anybody else was a fucking title, and the clothes they wore.

The world doesn't beat us down, or kill our hopes and dreams. What beats us down is ourselves, our insecurities and being too fucking lazy to do something about the dreams that we have.

Those who actually get up off their asses and do something instead of waiting for it to fall into their laps, actuallty accomplish something with their lives instead of feeling sorry for themselves because the big bad world is out to get them, or the bully at school whooped their ass or their parents drank too much.

You take charge of your own fucking life, you slam the bullies head into the goddamn desk and you get a job and move out of your parents house ... The End.

By the way Mr. Historian ... There is little evidence that "droit du seigneur" actually existed. And it originally referred to a number of other things like hunting, farming and taxation.

So don't tell someone else "no ... sorry" when A. Their were correct & B. You have your shit straight.

Superiority has always been visible from the dawn of time, ever head of survival of the fittest? If there were a caveman who got confronted by a hungry sabre-tooth tiger, then in the seconds before the tiger pounced, they managed to pick up a nearby branch, used it as a club, he hit the tiger and shattered its skull and survived.

Then the very next day at the same exact spot with another branch well within reach one of their dumb ass paleolithic buddies encountered a sabre-tooth, and got his fucking face eaten off...well, do I really need to continue?

Nietzsche died over 100 years ago, so if he would agree with you or NOT is irrelevant.

If he were alive, he'd most likely say: "And if you gaze for long into an abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. ... as the matter of a fact, jump into it asshole."


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#845 - 10/03/07 10:59 AM Re: Question. [Re: ICouldBuyYouAll]
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This whole thing has been blown way out of proportion. Venger Satanis completely misunderstood what I was saying. When I said "the nobility of suffering," (which is NOT an established term likenoblesse oblige) I was referring to a tendency in Christian thinking that a life of suffering (while living piously and in pious contemplation i.e. Job) better prepares one for "heaven." In other words, in its most extreme (and antiquated) form, asceticism. I wasn't referring to "Satanic superiority" or nobility during the Middle Ages or Renaissance, or anything of the kind, although there were some good comments made by Morgan, ta2zz, among others, in regards to that.

However, in the interest of keeping the thread of conversation, I will add this:

As Satanists, I do not believe we have obligations to anyone, unless we so choose (back to the "kindness to those who deserve it" thing). Sure, I am cordial to most people I meet at first, but if they prove to be unworthy of the generosity of such a cordial demeanor, then I disregard them. Often negligence is more powerful than outright dislike.

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waiting for it to fall into their laps

In other words, praying, or luck... or "good things come to those who wait." Well, if you wait long enough, something good is bound to happen, because almost anything has to be better than waiting, eh?

In accordance with what Morgan said, superiority is not to be proclaimed, it just is. Either you're a superior example of a human being, or you're the guy that drools and rides the short bus to school. Then again, retards are born that way...what's everyone else's excuse?
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#852 - 10/03/07 02:39 PM Re: Question. [Re: Draculesti]
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Then again, retards are born that way...what's everyone else's excuse?


Ha, I liked this one \:\)

But back to the matter even though it is short... The nobility of suffering in my opinion is more established in hindu religion than in christian. Of course there are these guys who beat themselves to suffer enough for a better afterlife but I don't think it can be compared to the way of hindu's.

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#863 - 10/03/07 11:34 PM Re: Question. [Re: ICouldBuyYouAll]
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These people felt that with nobility came social "responsibilities". Well ... if you want to count condescending, patronizing & hypocritical attitudes responsibilities, then they were genius at it.

Of course even in modern times in the military noblesse oblige can be found. It's a private motto of every officer of the United States Marine Corp. (Of course it's not meant like the aforementioned. but more like the Spider-Man: "With great power comes great responsibility." idea in mind.)


Hmmm, this is a good point.

You average 'satanist' in black clothes from Hot Topic and eye liner tends to be a moral and physical coward. They exist only in the context of Western Civilization where their 'rights' and physical security are secured by other people - people who, more often than not, they disdain.

For all of his talk of 'superiority' I wonder what is the bravest or noblest thing 'ol Venger has ever done?
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