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#39425 - 06/20/10 10:15 AM Re: Jesus Struck By Lightning! [Re: Meq]
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Meq’s statement “God just hates his son - I mean, he did send the poor bastard to die a horrible death” got me thinking. Why did Jesus need to die such a horrible death? I understand why, according to the “rules” of Christianity, Jesus had to shed blood and die. But why all the lashes and nails and prolonged suffering?

When lambs were sacrificed, they didn’t have to endure all that suffering. A knife or large stone was used to provide a quick death. So why not a quick death for Jesus? Why not put him on earth in France when the guillotine was all the rage? God would’ve gotten his blood and his death, and it would’ve all been over in a matter of seconds. Maybe it’s because guillotines don’t look as good on necklaces…
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#39427 - 06/20/10 11:30 AM Re: Jesus Struck By Lightning! [Re: William Wright]
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Obviously because "death" is only physical when you're a Christian. This implies that the sufferings which preceeded the actual execution of Jesus are what gave it meaning. If I'm not mistaken, he took upon himself aaaaaaaall the sins of humanity and had to pay for everybody. He thus became the ultimate "Grace".
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#39428 - 06/20/10 11:49 AM Re: Jesus Struck By Lightning! [Re: William Wright]
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A knife or large stone was used to provide a quick death. So why not a quick death for Jesus? Why not put him on earth in France when the guillotine was all the rage? God would’ve gotten his blood and his death, and it would’ve all been over in a matter of seconds. Maybe it’s because guillotines don’t look as good on necklaces…

Perhaps his suffering was done to show the citizens of the place what happens with "ungodly" (not believing the current religion) people who also spread words of a heathen god and on top of it was also a major shit-disturber... Psyops already existed back then..

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#39429 - 06/20/10 12:49 PM Re: Jesus Struck By Lightning! [Re: William Wright]
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 Originally Posted By: William Wright
Meq’s statement “God just hates his son - I mean, he did send the poor bastard to die a horrible death” got me thinking. Why did Jesus need to die such a horrible death?

This also got me thinking. If Jesus IS God (as per the Trinity doctrine), then not only does God hate himself, God is Jewish.

The New Testament also makes it clear when the Jews say "his blood come upon us and our children" that God hates his own people - and in his infinite wisdom, must have known how this line (which he divinely inspired) would have been appropriated by the Nazis some 2000 years later. In fact, it was no doubt part of his divine plan.

So in short, the (infinitely loving?) creator of the Universe turns out to be a sadomasochistic, self-hating Jew who approved of the Holocaust.

Man, I thought "Cosmic Jewish Zombie" sounded bad. Theology can be a right barrel of laughs at times...

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#39437 - 06/20/10 07:00 PM Re: Jesus Struck By Lightning! [Re: Meq]
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Yeah, but here’s the thing, Phobos – the unforgiven sins of just one person results in eternity in a lake of fire, which is worse than a hundred crucifixions. That’s just one person’s sins. All of humanity’s sins would merit punishment billions of times worse than this. Based on your argument that Jesus’ death must fit the “crime”, he got off easy. Maybe God gave him a discount for buying in bulk.

Meq, don’t get me started on the Jews. With a friend like God, who needs enemies? First (according to the Bible), he allows them to be enslaved by the Egyptians. Then he rescues them only to have them wander in the desert for 40 years. And yes, there was that little Holocaust misadventure. But of course it was all for the best, because God can do no wrong. Give me a break.
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#39454 - 06/21/10 10:04 AM Re: Jesus Struck By Lightning! [Re: William Wright]
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As a consideration of more serious theology, one thing I've never understood about mainstream doctrines concerning Christianity and Hell, is how Divine Good is supposed to ultimately triumph over Evil? Even after the establishment of the Eternal Kingdom, Evil still exists, albeit in perpetual torment in the Lake of Fire. If Evil is separation from God, then it could be argued that Evil ultimately triumphs, since what could be more Evil than a mass of immortal souls who will never reconcile with God for all eternity?

In my view, it's simply a matter of Christianity trying to have its doctrinal cake and eat it too-- that is, the comforting idea that God is ideally transcendant and omnibenevolent, plus the alluring promise of your enemies being tortured for all eternity. Just another religion tying itself into knots with its own contradictions.

On the lighter side...

Maybe Jesus was actually just an unwanted lovechild that Yahweh could never shake. You know, that little drunken romp with a Jewish girl just seemed so innocuous at the time, but two thousand years later it still bites Him in the ass every day when the mass of His creation gets their God terribly confused with that embarrassing mistake of a son. Poor guy.
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#39467 - 06/21/10 06:43 PM Re: Jesus Struck By Lightning! [Re: The Zebu]
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 Originally Posted By: The Zebu
What could be more Evil than a mass of immortal souls who will never reconcile with God for all eternity?

How about an omnipotent and omniscient deity who not only allowed such a system to come into being in the first place (including the aforementioned Lake of Fire), but refuses to intervene for all eternity? Would make Adolf look like quite the saint, really. Hell (excuse the pun), even Stalin and Mao would look like true humanitarians in comparison with such a fucker.


 Originally Posted By: The Zebu
Maybe Jesus was actually just an unwanted lovechild that Yahweh could never shake. You know, that little drunken romp with a Jewish girl just seemed so innocuous at the time....

Amen, brother:


Since Mary would have likely been no older than 14, that makes the infinitely old Yahweh quite the dirty old man. \:D

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#39514 - 06/23/10 08:53 AM Re: Jesus Struck By Lightning! [Re: Meq]
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To be fair to the abrahamic god, at least he only slept with one girl. Some of the other gods in history, like Zeus for example, had sex with everything on two legs. Or four legs and male, in the case of Loki. ;\)
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#39523 - 06/23/10 01:28 PM Re: Jesus Struck By Lightning! [Re: Meq]
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 Originally Posted By: Meq
[quote=William Wright]This also got me thinking. If Jesus IS God (as per the Trinity doctrine), then not only does God hate himself, God is Jewish.


I wouldn't say Jesus is god, that would mean that Jesus is suffering from a personality disorder. Apparently, moments before he was captured; Jesus prayed to god, hoping that his father would spare him all of the suffering that was coming his way.

If Jesus did happen to be god, then why would he be praying to himself, and calling his self his own father? I find it hilarious when Christians say "Jesus, my lord" when in fact, it is supposed to be god who is your lord. After all, isn't god jealous?

As far as the topic goes.. Miracles are real.

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#39600 - 06/27/10 07:18 PM Re: Jesus Struck By Lightning! [Re: Jake999]
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Thanks for the good news. I haven’t laughed so hard for a long time, and the timing was just right. I needed an emotional decompressor.

Now, are the funders of "touch-down" going to:

a) assume their god was sending them a message to put their money to more “Christian” use (like helping poor people with a direct donation of cash, or building a medical clinic) and follow suit?

b) blame themselves and reconsider their actions?

c) blame the atheists and / or homosexuals?

d) review their beliefs…put two and two together and clue into the fact that their ‘all-powerful” deity failed to divert the lightning bolt, therefore it obviously doesn’t exist or isn’t all-powerful?

Nope. They’re going to rinse and repeat. Rebuild. (and probably [c] as well.) This is proof that a god doesn’t exist…if it did, it would have been so embarrassed at the stupidity of these particular creations that it would have directed the lightening to frizzle THEM instead of their statue.
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#39601 - 06/27/10 07:19 PM Re: Jesus Struck By Lightning! [Re: Jake999]
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"Goodbye to You" by Scandal. I like the song and I thought it would be apropos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH1O6nyKnow
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#39676 - 06/29/10 12:53 PM Re: Jesus Struck By Lightning! [Re: felixgarnet]
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The skeleton looks better than the statue. This is very sweet. Hopefully they will build an even bigger one so that lighting can strike twice in the same spot. Great photos!
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#39688 - 06/29/10 03:11 PM Re: Jesus Struck By Lightning! [Re: felixgarnet]
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The metal structure of that statue only brings to mind one thing:



Surely I can't be the only one? Put some glowing red eyes in the skull cavity, and it looks like it's dragging its torso, reaching out to grab Sarah Connor before it's smashed by the hydraulic press.
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#39699 - 06/29/10 11:13 PM Re: Jesus Struck By Lightning! [Re: Nemesis]
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You sure about that? The terminator looks bad ass while the Jesus structure looks like scrap. I really do not think glowing lights would help.

Clearly you see the difference, unless it is just a man thing... ya know metal is metal is metal... ;\)

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#39705 - 06/30/10 07:58 AM Re: Jesus Struck By Lightning! [Re: ta2zz]
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Haha, I know I know....still, I think the Jesus structure could benefit with a little beefing up....with a shiny metal skull and some red lights for eyes

They could really take that thing in an entirely new direction. It could be like when explosions would burn off the Terminator's human skin, a la the lightning strike burning away Jesus, and leaving nothing but a blood-thirsty metal droid in its place.
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