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#39649 - 06/29/10 12:55 AM self-indulgence? Not always good.
Meatl Gear Offline
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I personally do not believe in total self-indulgence. However, I do not believe "god" or "religion" should dictate what I believe in.

Sometimes pain is preferable to pleasure. It hurts to for instance stay in good physical condition, but it is still better.

How do you feel about that?

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#39650 - 06/29/10 01:23 AM Re: self-indulgence? Not always good. [Re: Meatl Gear]
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Even if you choose pain over pleasure, you are not really abstaining from life. You are still indulging in life. However, I do not believe abstaining is bad if it is not done under the coercion of religious ideology. If you for personal reasons want to live a less involved life, then more power to you. Just don't say God told you to.

Edited by Meatl Gear (06/29/10 01:24 AM)

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#39651 - 06/29/10 01:39 AM Re: self-indulgence? Not always good. [Re: Meatl Gear]
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If someone is completely self-indulgent, they'll never accomplish any of their goals. They'll be too busy trying to feel good all the time.

Regarding working out - yeah, I agree. It hurts to stay in shape. But anyone who works to keep in shape knows all of the benefits from it. Your heart gets strong, your lung capacity increases - if you don't smoke. You release poison toxins from your body. Your muscles become taut, your bones become stronger, you develop a positive mental attitude. There's a whole list of things that are positive to working out.

But!

If you spend all of your energy working out, you become a slave to your body.

So, self-indulgence is vital but it has to be tempered.
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#39662 - 06/29/10 04:23 AM Re: self-indulgence? Not always good. [Re: Knievel74]
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Self-indulgence must be balanced with higher interests that protect your self-indulgence. Life is about pleasure, but sometimes you have to do slightly unpleasurable things to preserve the pleasure you wish to have.

It might be pleasurable for a time to quit your job so you can sit on your couch and eat junk food all day, but you would eventually run out of money for junk food, develop heart problems, and possibly get evicted from your house after not making payments.

If junk food brings you pleasure, then go for it, but you'll also need to get a job and exercise regularly, or else the junk food will soon be depriving you of more pleasure than it is giving you.

Self-indulgence is a necessary part of life, but like Knievel74 said, it needs to be tempered.

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#39665 - 06/29/10 08:08 AM Re: self-indulgence? Not always good. [Re: Little Horn]
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Thats the thing, if indulgence goes to a certain point what used to be great becomes not so great. It is like gluttony. There is nothing wrong to indulge in food that you may not actually need for your survival but if you at to much it will effect you in a negative way.

That is why discipline is of utmost importance an the realization that pain is necessary if you ever want to know pleasure (and reverse). It is al part of the same polar duality and you cant have one without the other and going to either extreme will cause you more harm than good.

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#39666 - 06/29/10 08:21 AM Re: self-indulgence? Not always good. [Re: Meatl Gear]
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Satanism is an Epicurian philosophy; this follows as a result of the principle of Indulgence, not compulsion.

One must also remember Satanism's other side based in pragmatism, cool realism and personal responsibility.

Indulge with finesse and Epicurian joy, do not wallow - this is the Satanic way.

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#39672 - 06/29/10 11:32 AM Re: self-indulgence? Not always good. [Re: ]
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 Originally Posted By: MatthewJ1
Satanism is an Epicurian philosophy; this follows as a result of the principle of Indulgence, not compulsion.

One must also remember Satanism's other side based in pragmatism, cool realism and personal responsibility.

Indulge with finesse and Epicurian joy, do not wallow - this is the Satanic way.


You should remember that Epicurean philosophy doesnt involve seeking any pleasure at any time though. They realized that if you eat to much you may not feel good after a while and if you have to much sex you may not find satisfation with your partner after a while etc. "Enjoy - but with reason".

It is an interesting branch in philosophy even though I do not agree with the thought of atomic materialism that is put forth. To much speaks against it nowadays. Still I rdcoment people to look into it. Its very interesting.

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#39693 - 06/29/10 06:51 PM Re: self-indulgence? Not always good. [Re: TheInsane]
MatthewJ1
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(I have made a slight spelling mistake in my above post: It should read Epicurean and not Epicurian. My apologies)

It is Indulgence instead of abstinence, and it is Indulgence and not compulsion, and further, it is tempered and balanced by Satanismís pragmatic, coolly realistic and personally responsible side.

This was the point I was attempting to make in my above post. I feel that a Satanist is a self - aware gourmet.

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#39965 - 07/04/10 09:35 PM Re: self-indulgence? Not always good. [Re: ]
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Yeah I agree.

Most people have balance, but in all honesty temporary (useless/time wasting) pleasure is the worst pain of all.

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#39968 - 07/04/10 10:08 PM Re: self-indulgence? Not always good. [Re: Dakota]
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Sure... miles to go. etc.

But if you happen to be ancient, wealthy and quite accomplished, then spending your days indulging every frivolous notion might be bliss - for some.

Good food, cigars, liquor and women...kinda sounds like heaven to me.

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#40058 - 07/08/10 11:18 AM Re: self-indulgence? Not always good. [Re: Clarence]
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 Originally Posted By: Clarence
Sure... miles to go. etc.

But if you happen to be ancient, wealthy and quite accomplished, then spending your days indulging every frivolous notion might be bliss - for some.

Good food, cigars, liquor and women...kinda sounds like heaven to me.


Is not improving yourself the ultimate goal in life rather than wasting the final days of your life with simple happiness. Sure those simple earthly pleasures are grand but I rather enrich my mind with ambitions that will improve me because life is not completely over yet. If I was a successful 85 year old, then I will be writing the book of my life to be published to the masses or doing other activities that will ripple to the sea of humanity.

People have different versions of heaven, but being forgotten is my hell. And worst yet, wasting my time and achieving nothing in the end. It's like playing a video game, sure the game is accomplish, but what did I really accomplish?

Happiness, sadness, and all the emotions humans can have are just that, emotions. They really mean nothing, since third world people would be in heaven to be me but a "highly successful person like Angelina Jolie, Paris Hilton" would cry to be me, since all that matters is logic and reality. They have wealth, beauty, and power and I lack all those things, so until I have what they have then I cannot waste time.

If I want to die happy, I have to be perfected to the highest level a human can become. At least, to the highest level I can become. And if I am 85 years old, healthy, and had not achieve that then I will not waste my time with some hot beefcake in my hot tub smoking on a cigarette.

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#40061 - 07/08/10 11:56 AM Re: self-indulgence? Not always good. [Re: Dakota]
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Is not improving yourself the ultimate goal in life rather than wasting the final days of your life with simple happiness. Sure those simple earthly pleasures are grand but I rather enrich my mind with ambitions that will improve me because life is not completely over yet. If I was a successful 85 year old, then I will be writing the book of my life to be published to the masses or doing other activities that will ripple to the sea of humanity.

Improvement is a continious proces during a human life (taking it towards evolutionary biology: it simply is a continious proces striving towards perfection of a specie in a set condition. The conditions being climate and envirronement).
But where do you draw the line between fullfilling ambitions and gratifications of earthly pleasures? As far as I can see they both suit the same goal: emotional gratification.

You might want to have the idea (while still alive) you don't want to be forgotten in the mists of time. Let me simply point out you will be forgotten and that in a probable 100 (or even 50 years) after your death you shall not be remembered. Just as I will be no matter what I achieved. Just another bump in the line of time..
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#40064 - 07/08/10 12:37 PM Re: self-indulgence? Not always good. [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
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Is not improving yourself the ultimate goal in life rather than wasting the final days of your life with simple happiness. Sure those simple earthly pleasures are grand but I rather enrich my mind with ambitions that will improve me because life is not completely over yet. If I was a successful 85 year old, then I will be writing the book of my life to be published to the masses or doing other activities that will ripple to the sea of humanity.

Improvement is a continious proces during a human life (taking it towards evolutionary biology: it simply is a continious proces striving towards perfection of a specie in a set condition. The conditions being climate and envirronement).
But where do you draw the line between fullfilling ambitions and gratifications of earthly pleasures? As far as I can see they both suit the same goal: emotional gratification.

You might want to have the idea (while still alive) you don't want to be forgotten in the mists of time. Let me simply point out you will be forgotten and that in a probable 100 (or even 50 years) after your death you shall not be remembered. Just as I will be no matter what I achieved. Just another bump in the line of time..


Sure, as of now if I do not accomplish this goal of being remembered, then I will be forgotten. If I accomplish my mission in life, then I hope to be remembered as long as the human civilization remains.

Few people who lived, are indeed remembered, such as Plato, Jesus, George Washington, Buddha, and all recorded creations of those who past. Once something is created with a name on it, then whoever finds it will be known infinitely as long as another intelligent life finds it.

Eventually this human society will ceased, and all the intelligent societies in the universe. But then, again, if I could be remembered another 5,000 years I think I achieved what I want. And if not, who cares, because I am dead then.

Then if we really want to draw the line, then nothing matters at all does it. No matter how much we try to shape this world, this world was doom from day one. Satanism does not matter, money, history, art, music, humans, planets, galaxies, life, air, everything material and everything in the mind.

It does not matter, because it's already dead, done, gone.

We are damned.


Edited by Dakota (07/08/10 12:39 PM)

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#40084 - 07/09/10 01:47 AM Re: self-indulgence? Not always good. [Re: Dakota]
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It all matters because that which is here and now that we can touch and feel is important, it matters, because that is all there is.

If you think none of it matters, then what are you striving for?

If you want to be remembered, then touch someone. Touch their mind, heart, emotions, intelligence, and touch your own. You are remembered through the actions you take, the people you reach, and the children you have.

You want to be remembered, then help someone with something. In doing that, in a way you are helping yourself to be remembered.

Porn stars are replaceable, strippers are replaceable, singers are mostly replaceable.

Teachers, Artists, Scientists, Doctors, Writers, Warriors, and Musicians are remembered and not replaceable. They all leave a tangible mark on other people and on history.

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#40086 - 07/09/10 03:46 AM Re: self-indulgence? Not always good. [Re: Dakota]
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Is not improving yourself the ultimate goal in life rather than wasting the final days of your life with simple happiness... If I was a successful 85 year old, then I will be writing the book of my life to be published to the masses or doing other activities that will ripple to the sea of humanity.


If that gives you satisfaction, great. So long as it's not rooted in a sense of inferiority. A persons priorities often change over time. It might be nice to stop and smell the flowers as an octogenerian.

The best we can aim for is a degree of self-satisfaction. Who gives a damn what anyone else thinks, really? ASL had a good line on the "Parade of Life" - the reviewing stand being full of corpses.

This world dies with us. Unless you're a metaphysician. ;\)

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