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#399 - 09/17/07 04:32 PM Occult Books
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Even with the recent..."issues" with certain forum members, I figured I would start up a thread for anyone that is curious as to which books they should read to continue to make themselves a tad bit more intelligent in the Occult "world".



Johannes Trithemius (1462-1516)
Master cryptographer and magician, Trithemius was the mentor of Henrich Cornelius Agrippa.

* The Seven Secondary Intelligences (De septem secundeis)
* Steganographia (Secret Writing) Book 1 Book 2 Book 3
* Liber octo quaestionum



Heinrich Agrippa
The most influential writer of renaissance esoterica.


Athanasius Kircher

* The Goddess: her names and symbols
* Zoroaster's Egg
* Sigillum Dei Aemeth
* Mithra
* Cabala Hebraeorum

Dr. John Dee (1527-1608)
Another influential Renaissance figure, Dee was Queen Elizabeth's scientific advisor. In later life, he became disillusioned with pure science and started experimenting with occult techniques of the day. Many of his esoteric writing were kept secret and only discovered by accident long after his death.

* Five Books of Mystery (Mysteriorum Libri Quinque)
* Mysteriorum Liber Sextus et Sanctus (Liber Loagaeth)
* Index Verborum of the "Angelic Language" from Liber Loagaeth
* Compendium Heptarchiae Mysticae
* De Heptarchia Mystica
* Monas Hieroglyphica (The Hieroglyphic Monad) English French * Tuba Veneris ('The Trumpet of Venus')
* Tabula bonorum angelorum invocationes
* The Holy Table engraving from Casaubon's True and Faithful Relation
* An excerpt form Josten's translation of the Hieroglyphic Monad
* A Letter Containing a most briefe Discourse Apologeticall
* Meric Casaubon: A True and Faithful Relation (excerpts)

Giordano Bruno (1548-1600)
Bruno was one of the most original and colorful thinkers of the Renaissance. The Inquisition considered him a dangerous heretic, and had him burned at the stake in 1600.

* De Umbris Idearum ('The Shadow of Ideas') (1582) (Latin)
* Ars Memoriae ('The Art of Memory') (1582) (Latin)
* Cantus Circaeus ("Incantations of Circe") (1582) (Latin)
* Ars Reminiscendi -- Triginta Sigilli (1583) (Latin)
* Explicatio triginti sigillorum (1583) (Latin)
* The Heroic Frenzies (English)
* De Magia (Latin)
* Theses De Magia (Latin)
* Magia Mathematica (Latin)
* De vinculis in genere (Latin)
* De Imaginum Compositione (Book I, Latin)

Classical Grimoires

* Peter de Abano, Heptameron, or Magical Elements (Latin with English translation)
* Abramelin, Book of the Sacred Magic
* Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa, Of Occult Philosophy I: Natural Magic
* Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa, Of Occult Philosophy II: Celestial Magic
* Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa, Of Occult Philosophy III: Ceremonial Magic
* Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa, Fourth Book of Occult Philosophy
* Arbatel of Magic First appearing in Latin in 1575, this book focuses on calling the 'olympick' spirits or angels. Known and used by John Dee.
* Book of Protection, Hermann Gollancz (1912)
* Armand Delatte: Anecdota Atheniensia: Containing the text of a large number of magical manuscripts, including the Magical Treatise of Solomon (in GREEK)
* Honorius of Thebes: Liber Juratus, or the Sworn Book of Honorius. This thirteenth century Grimoire is one of the foundation works of European magical practice. It was one of Dr. Dee's sources for the Sigillum Dei Aemeth.
* Key of Solomon This is the most famous and influential handbook of magic. Mathers' edition.


More will be posted when further interest in shown.

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#434 - 09/18/07 10:53 AM Re: Occult Books [Re: Brother J]
Cody Offline
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Armed with all those tomes one is sure to look more intelligent and experienced in the Occult especially when they quote from them. If one actually read them they will be generally as deluded and comical as a blind man chasing after a used tuna can in a trash can behind a restaurant thinking he is in a whorehouse, add some dog poop and it becomes a full service whorehouse.

I don't disdain the accepted "occult" for little or no reason, nor do I deny the power of the individual (having seen it for myself), you came here of your own free will.



Edited by Cody (09/18/07 10:56 AM)
Edit Reason: I felt I needed to add the word "generally"

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#461 - 09/19/07 04:40 AM Re: Occult Books [Re: Brother J]
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I don't dare say as much or as harsh as Cody...

But if ye are so learn-ed and wise... what are you doing here?

I almost got you mixed up with "Darkstar(somenumbers)", because you both share a same kind of arrogance.

So, what do you attempt to gain, or learn, here? Or are you here to teach, and if so, what exactly is your tutilage?
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#474 - 09/19/07 01:23 PM Re: Occult Books [Re: daevid777]
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Since me and Brother J are the only ones here besides yourself I would expect you might be talking to us both, as for me I am here for entertainment purposes only, yet there might be some kernels of truth in the rotten corn cob for one to gnaw on or not.
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#528 - 09/21/07 04:40 AM Re: Occult Books [Re: Cody]
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Read Mircea Eliade for a real mind altering experience...

The Sacred and the Profane
Images and Symbols
Rites and Symbols of Initiation; mysteries of birth and rebirth
The Myth of the Eternal Return
Occultism, Witchcraft and Cultural Fashions
The Forge and the Crucible; the origins and structure of alchemy


These books will redefine Satanism for you...if you have the courage.
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#564 - 09/22/07 08:32 PM Re: Occult Books [Re: Cody]
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 Originally Posted By: Cody
Armed with all those tomes one is sure to look more intelligent and experienced in the Occult especially when they quote from them. If one actually read them they will be generally as deluded and comical as a blind man chasing after a used tuna can in a trash can behind a restaurant thinking he is in a whorehouse, add some dog poop and it becomes a full service whorehouse.

I don't disdain the accepted "occult" for little or no reason, nor do I deny the power of the individual (having seen it for myself), you came here of your own free will.



Huh? The accepted occult? Your post here is not clear. If you have a problem with the books above perhaps you should state your intentions better. I heard the book on Mithra was actually quite well researched, though I have not read it myself.

Reading the old grimoires is a good way of taking a peak into the hidden machinations of the human mind in its essence. Occult means "hidden" after all.

I'm on the Book of Mirrors at the moment, it's not out in print yet -

http://www.abrahadabra.com/tableofcontents.htm



Edited by 97and107 (09/22/07 08:33 PM)
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#639 - 09/25/07 03:09 PM Re: Occult Books [Re: 97and107]
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The "Book of Mirrors" is in print ISBN# 564-6540-654234 prefaced by a rant from an individual who only identifies himself with the number 1911.

Edited by Cody (09/25/07 03:11 PM)

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#668 - 09/26/07 03:41 PM Re: Occult Books [Re: Cody]
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If I am to understand from your post that you do not believe these volumes to be adequate then pray tell which volumes you think are relevant. Also, explain your aversion to these tomes. Do you find them to be drivel?

Though I've not read them myself, books by Austin Osman Spare come highly recommended (though many are either out of print or extremely rare), as well as books by Israel Regardie and Peter J. Carroll.
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#672 - 09/26/07 06:30 PM Re: Occult Books [Re: Draculesti]
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"In the Shadow of the Shaman" By Amber Wolfe
"The New Magus" By Donald Tyson

Both give you a different angle on core principals and set a solid foundation. Once you learn the core, any further books are simply repetitive.

Of course there are specific books an topics like herbs, color and candle magic, and of course religion based books on SantaYariba and Wicker. But even these are nothing more than "label makers." Placing large obvious icons on core forces to serve as training wheels.

I never saw the need people have to own so many books that say basically the same thing. Once the core principals are learned, its all personal discovery.



The core is simple.

A) There are three types of magic.

1) Controlling your own force.

2) Controlling the universal force

3) Manipulating entities to control forces for you.

B) Props are used as training wheels that allow your mind to grab and manipulate your chosen force. Props become unnecessary and power can eventually be wielded from within your own mind.

The next faze people seldom get to.

c) There exists the ability to see the threads of cause and effect that interconnect us. A realization that you cause all of your own problems. removes the need to use A or B.

Also by this point the mind should be in tune to the point where access to forces happens automatically at a subconscious level making casting completely unnecessary. The simplest way to explain this concept is: Your world is like it is because you have attracted it. What surrounds you is what you have inside of yourself. By changing your core, you improve your success. (A simple explanation of a complex concept)

That is of course, If you believe in the occult.

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#762 - 10/01/07 04:37 PM Re: Occult Books [Re: Brother J]
Venger Satanis Offline
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as most viewers of this thread can guess by now, the realm of "occult" is vast.

when suggesting good occult material, one might as well suggest certain books that contain... words.

narrow it down to a specific category. no general occult list could ever hope to satisfy two occultists. if you're looking for (or suggesting) a good chaos magic book, then say so. if it's regarding ceremonial magic, then that's another matter... and so on.

i have my favorites, but then i'm sure every magician does. want to hear about them? ask.


Hail the new Satanic Aeon!


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#991 - 10/09/07 01:47 AM Re: Occult Books [Re: Cody]
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 Originally Posted By: Cody
The "Book of Mirrors" is in print ISBN# 564-6540-654234 prefaced by a rant from an individual who only identifies himself with the number 1911.


You've just confused me thoroughly. What book are you talking about, link please?

I'm talking about abrahadabra.com with the online not in print series of essays and geometric mirrors by the alchemist who goes by the name of m1thr0s.

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#1003 - 10/09/07 12:29 PM Re: Occult Books [Re: 97and107]
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If you wasted your time searching for it then you got exactly what you deserved.
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#1005 - 10/09/07 01:29 PM Re: Occult Books [Re: Cody]
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Correct me if I am wrong (which I think I am), but the impression I am getting is that you are very familiar with occult materials, if not circles, and that you consider your own enterprise and experience to have been a thorough waste. So in order to better serve mankind you have responded to this thread every other post to get the global literary economy back on track...

What do you recommend I read, if not this thread?

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I have achieved the best results with Crowley, and Robert Anton Wilson has helped me to open my mind to new ideas. Studying chaos magic, chaos theory, and quantum physics has helped me to gain a better understanding of what is POSSIBLE...

I have found the Kabala indispensible, the Tree of Life mainly, not so much the Tora, the Talmud, or Gematria. I find religious scripture about as useful as mathematics and numerology. But that is my personal preference.

Believe it or not, I have tried some Scientology techniques (Lock Scanning), and got terriffic results in a short amount of time.

Lately I have been focusing on Shamanism and practices of "intending". I have found Shamanism offers a great mixture of ecstasy and power. It's also a great substitute for alcoholism.



Edited by Chandler (10/09/07 01:38 PM)
Edit Reason: substance needed for serious posters.

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#1008 - 10/09/07 02:59 PM Re: Occult Books [Re: Brother J]
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I find that most, if not all so called “occult books” are either filled with mumbo jumbo bullshit, aimed at the new occultist, who is looking for meaning in their lives, or more often, they rip off ideas from philosophy, or psychology.

The best way to learn “magic” is to objectively study ones own nature, and honest self examination for ones thought processes, and to learn from people who have spent a life time studying the nature of the human condition.

Yet, it is much more difficult then that, because even great visionaries, psychologists, and scientists, often times fall into the trap of “tunnel vision.” They become victims of their own legend, and will stubbornly hold on to their beliefs, even when they are proved to be faulty or invalid.

Some ideas can come across as so brilliant, and true, that we instinctively accept them as fact, because they touch something within us, and WE want them to be fact. This may cause us to, no longer search other ideas, and “paths,” but instead continue to search for sources that will VALIDATE what we have become to believe. We look for things which make us feel good about ourselves, and things that might go against our belief system, fills us with anxiety.
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#1017 - 10/09/07 07:42 PM Re: Occult Books [Re: Asmedious]
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Good show, Asmedious!

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“occult books” are either filled with mumbo jumbo bullshit... or more often, they rip off ideas from philosophy, or psychology.


I find this fascinating, considering what "science" has "ripped-off" from "occult" practices over the centuries. The tide has turned, or churned, or turned and then churned.

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Some ideas can come across as so brilliant, and true, that we instinctively accept them as fact, because they touch something within us, and WE want them to be fact. This may cause us to, no longer search other ideas, and “paths,” but instead continue to search for sources that will VALIDATE what we have become to believe.


I had to put this out there again, it's much too valuable to overlook.

This is the downfall, and by downfall I mean "definition" of every sect of every "religion" that ever was. This especially goes bad when visual or audial hallucinations are involved, when the "visionary" or "prophet" has great powers of persuasion, or everyone else is living in a world of shit, whether that be due to war, poverty, subjugation, slavery...

I saw the writings on the gold plates, but the angel told me only I was able to behold them. To read them I needed a crystal shewstone, and I'm the only one who can see that too. The cave, you ask? Oh, secret... sorry.

Do you see it? Jesus Cristo! Aqui! Where? On the Tortilla!!! Holy shit grandma, it kinda does look like him.

Go get your cousins, and the camera!!!

And now we have the "Jesus on the Tortilla Commemorative Museum" - or something like that:
Shrine of the Miracle Tortilla:
Address: 203 Broadway, Lake Arthur, NM [Show Map]
Directions: Hwy 2 south from Roswell.
Hours: Closed! Tortilla broken.

Of course, I'm ruining Asmedious's insight, so I'll just say this: These were some instances of nut-jobs that happened to convince a great many people.

Think about a more serious individual, likely brighter and more educated. And, more importantly, someone not trying to convert anyone. Seeing is believing, but in the instances applied mental strain, I'd say I might need a second opinion. Craziness or Evangelism ensues... or both.
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