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#40045 - 07/08/10 01:35 AM Court case involving Satanism here in Austin
XiaoGui17 Offline
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Let me start off by admitting I found out about this case in another Satanist forum, but I searched these forums and didn't see any mention of Irving Davis, so I thought I'd share.

Satanism has recently been brought up in the news in a court case being appealed here in Austin. Irving Davis is a convicted rapist and murderer. The prosecuting attorney, Lily Stroud, decided to use the fact that he converted to Satanism (in prison, after his crime) as evidence that he posed a continuing threat to society and thus should receive the death penalty. In speaking with the press, prosecutor Stroud described the Church of Satan as "an organization that participated in violent and illegal activities." Judges Lawrence Meyers, Sharon Keller, and Michael Keasler concurred with Stroud, describing Satanism as a religion that condones human sacrifice.

http://www.statesman.com/news/local/satanism-wrongly-used-at-trial-death-row-inmate-787009.html

Any reasonably competent attorney would have been able to make a case against Davis easily, without resorting to this kind of crap. He raped, mutilated, and murdered a 15-year-old girl, by his own admission. Getting him the chair should have been a cakewalk.
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#40046 - 07/08/10 02:06 AM Re: Court case involving Satanism here in Austin [Re: XiaoGui17]
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What a frivolous case to make. The guy needs to be executed and that is all there is to it. I find his "grievance" laughable it is obviously nothing more than something that is being thrown out as a distraction. The judge obviously misunderstands what Satanism is but in this case I think it is okay because the defendant obviously misunderstands it too. I wonder how long until CoS starts to publicly disavow any affiliation with Irving. What a stupid name by the way.
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#40047 - 07/08/10 02:32 AM Re: Court case involving Satanism here in Austin [Re: XiaoGui17]
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Despite the best efforts of organisations like the Church of Satan, the Temple of Set and the First Satanic Church and their public representatives, the common view, after all that time and effort, still seems to be (at least, in this case) that Satanist’s engage in violent, stupid and illegal activities, and that the religion/philosophy that they agree with and espouse is worthless and dangerous.

Maybe there are groups out there who preach or practice human sacrifice, but they are not Satanic. They are instead groups who give real Satanism a bad name, and if they break the law then they are criminals and should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law when caught.

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#40051 - 07/08/10 05:19 AM Re: Court case involving Satanism here in Austin [Re: ]
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Despite the best efforts of organisations like the Church of Satan, the Temple of Set and the First Satanic Church and their public representatives, the common view, after all that time and effort, still seems to be (at least, in this case) that Satanist’s engage in violent, stupid and illegal activities, and that the religion/philosophy that they agree with and espouse is worthless and dangerous.

And perhaps this view should stay, at least in my opinion. I have viewed Satanism as something for the more elite thinker. The attempts of bringing the Satanist forth as a "good guy" is nothing but a sign to mediocre or to submit towards the will of egality. I have my pride and own rules of respect, and I will be damned if I will ever give in to the greyness of evading confrontation and conformity. It has always been trough confrontation the human race made huge steps forward.

Everyone believes what he or she wants to belief. Furthermore there is no "real" or "false" Satanism. There are only acts of stupidity and ignorance. Implying there is such a thing as "false" Satanism you are already giving way too much credit and unconsciously imply they are Satanic in one way or another.

As for the court case: converted towards Satanism or not, he'll hopefully gets what he deserves. I can hardly be bothered with yet another unproductive person making a few spasms.
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#40085 - 07/09/10 03:05 AM Re: Court case involving Satanism here in Austin [Re: Dimitri]
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Like you all have said, this man deserves to be executed for what he's done. Regardless of his religion. But for any prosecutor or judge to say that a rapist and murdere deserves a harsher penalty because he's a satanic rapist/murderer rather than the good ol' fashion christian kind is utterly rediculess. And unconstitutional.
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#40100 - 07/09/10 09:59 PM Re: Court case involving Satanism here in Austin [Re: Shadow Dragon]
XiaoGui17 Offline
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 Originally Posted By: Shadow Dragon
Like you all have said, this man deserves to be executed for what he's done. Regardless of his religion. But for any prosecutor or judge to say that a rapist and murderer deserves a harsher penalty because he's a satanic rapist/murderer rather than the good ol' fashion christian kind is utterly rediculess. And unconstitutional.


Exactly. One of the things that bugs me most about this case is, because the prosecutor "went there" and attacked his new "religion," the defense now has a legitimate grievance. If she had just stuck with what was relevant and talked about the crime itself, she could have sent this guy to the gallows and been home in time to see it on the evening news. Now his lawyer has the opportunity to whine about "discrimination" and all that jazz because of her gaffe.

What's more, while this may be an utterly silly tangent for Davis's case, it sets a creepy precedent. Courts have now established that it's OK to hand down a harsher punishment for Satanists than for other folks, and that mentioning someone is a Satanist is admissible in court. How do you figure the average jury is going to react to that news, even if the defendant is innocent?
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#41294 - 08/02/10 03:54 PM Re: Court case involving Satanism here in Austin [Re: XiaoGui17]
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 Originally Posted By: XiaoGui17
The prosecuting attorney, Lily Stroud, decided to use the fact that he converted to Satanism (in prison, after his crime) as evidence that he posed a continuing threat to society and thus should receive the death penalty.

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He raped, mutilated, and murdered a 15-year-old girl, by his own admission.


He's been tried in the court of public opinion, as they say.

"Satanist" or "White Supremacist" (replacing "Anarchist" and "Communist") seem to work better than the additional fifteen words it takes to communicate that he raped, mutilated and murdered a 15-year-old girl.

It's like when people call Obama a socialist; it's easier than making a complex argument, and the proles like it better.
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