This is the issue of how lying can effect/affect our Objective universe. Now... during this ritual you ask to be granted a particular object of desire/s. Once this Rite is complete you then tell a friend that you possess this object, but stress that it's sorta "on hold", if you will... is this still lying? Or is it only a lie if it doesn't come true? If this object never reveals itself?

How does this concern ethics in accordance with "the good"?

Now, what’s even more nip'tinglin to bite on is how this can effect our Will in the Objective universe. Let me be clear and say for instance I...performed a Rite to obtain a mundane item...but I never use subjective universe to obtain it, meaning I didn't do the actual work necessary to accompany the change needed, on my physical, mental and emotional end.

How/does this effect our Objective universe in accordance to our Will? Does it "thin out" it's effects ...watering down our abilities as magicians?

I am beginning to think it does... if I were to perform Rites but never performed the actions necessary to obtain it here, do I weaken my Will?

And i mind why? Is it because you said something? Because for some odd reason it's almost as if i couldn't care less for your tutoring skills at the moment... really, i'm sorry, but i just don't have it in me tonight. (not to break it to like this... butI finished 5 years of college without ya

Congratulations on earning your associates degree.

Again..since time only works in one direction..of course not. That's like telling someone you aren't a virgin in the hope of one day getting laid.

You forgot to mention that they misspelled curriculum and euphoric, unless europhoric was supposed to be a play on words.

I highly doubt that Valor completed 5 days of college and he wants us to believe that he completed 5 years. If that were true then he should have a degree that enables him to get a job which would allow him to buy a Ferrari and wouldn't have to result to something so ridiculous as performing a ritual to get one.

If you tell somebody something that is not true then it is, by default, a lie. Not a hard concept to grasp.

If all you do is perform rituals to obtain your desires and don't take any real action then your chances of obtaining said desires are about as good as they would be if you prayed.

Valor does have a point..there is more than enough nonsense to shred without having to resort to pointing out his lazy posting habits. Like the fact there is no substance behind any of this, and it is pure quasi-intellectual fluff, as an example. Or the fact that not a hint of logic or reasoning is displayed in either the premise or the conclusion, which is basically a series of un related non sequiters and bald assertions.


"Lying isn't lying if one day the thing you are talking about may happen but it weakens your will to do it for some reason not addressed"

P.S. your question "Have you even challenged your own vices?" makes no sense.