#40336 - 07/16/10 11:15 AM
Re: Objective Effects of Lying
[Re: Valor]
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Fnord
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Registered: 01/11/10
Posts: 717
Loc: Texas
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Congratulations fnord. Have you found a way to use your talents as an occupation. I had a tough time with this only because there are so many artists looking for work.
I guess we are being looked down on because we went to art school.
I'm not going to go down that road with you, sir.
No one here was looking down on anyone because they went to art school. XiaoGui17 posted an off the cuff remark that I purposely twisted around for the very reason that I knew she didn't mean it the way it came across.
As for your other question, no, I never have made a living with my art. When I finished school I was working construction and found that construction pay circa 1990 was about double of entry level artist pay and by that time I was married with a baby on the way.
Knowing of my art background, my employer asked me if I had any drafting experience and I told him that I'd taken a few courses and the rest I'd figure out. I spent my days working 1/2 construction and 1/2 drawing plans for the next week of work. I quickly became aware of computers/Cad and convinced my boss that we needed a CAD system. I worked that into a job and got him to pay for CAD training for me. I spent a few years figuring out CAD and eventually landed on an idea that I needed to be able to extract data from drawings because we stored a ton of info in the drawings themselves. I built a few database applications to do so and that got me some attention in the architectural community of the day. I eventually moved on from that position and went to work for a global furniture company that specialized in office cubes and walls. I built several systems that counted inventories, compared inventories, allowed ordering product from drawings etc which eventually led me to my current position in Cad systems design/database in a huge computer company you've heard of.
During all of that time I've missed art though. I've gotten fairly proficient in photoshop and illustrator and have played around a bunch with flash. Part of my job now involves sharing data on the intranet so I've also become quite proficient in web design (back to the art).
SO, my ultimate goal is to get a small web design company up and running in tandem with my career (which I love). I'm about 70% on that right now and am working toward being live by the end of the calendar year.
Damn, everything you never wanted to know about Fnord. Sorry about that, guess I was in a sharing mood.
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#40337 - 07/16/10 11:28 AM
Re: Objective Effects of Lying
[Re: Fnord]
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Valor
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Registered: 01/27/10
Posts: 54
Loc: Coast of New England
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Congratulations fnord. Have you found a way to use your talents as an occupation. I had a tough time with this only because there are so many artists looking for work.
I guess we are being looked down on because we went to art school.
I'm not going to go down that road with you, sir. No one here was looking down on anyone because they went to art school. XiaoGui17 posted an off the cuff remark that I purposely twisted around for the very reason that I knew she didn't mean it the way it came across. As for your other question, no, I never have made a living with my art. When I finished school I was working construction and found that construction pay circa 1990 was about double of entry level artist pay and by that time I was married with a baby on the way. Knowing of my art background, my employer asked me if I had any drafting experience and I told him that I'd taken a few courses and the rest I'd figure out. I spent my days working 1/2 construction and 1/2 drawing plans for the next week of work. I quickly became aware of computers/Cad and convinced my boss that we needed a CAD system. I worked that into a job and got him to pay for CAD training for me. I spent a few years figuring out CAD and eventually landed on an idea that I needed to be able to extract data from drawings because we stored a ton of info in the drawings themselves. I built a few database applications to do so and that got me some attention in the architectural community of the day. I eventually moved on from that position and went to work for a global furniture company that specialized in office cubes and walls. I built several systems that counted inventories, compared inventories, allowed ordering product from drawings etc which eventually led me to my current position in Cad systems design/database in a huge computer company you've heard of. During all of that time I've missed art though. I've gotten fairly proficient in photoshop and illustrator and have played around a bunch with flash. Part of my job now involves sharing data on the intranet so I've also become quite proficient in web design (back to the art). SO, my ultimate goal is to get a small web design company up and running in tandem with my career (which I love). I'm about 70% on that right now and am working toward being live by the end of the calendar year. Damn, everything you never wanted to know about Fnord. Sorry about that, guess I was in a sharing mood.
No need to apologize for an inspiring story. Sincerely, congratulations. It looks like afterall you have turned your art into a system that works for you. LBM at it's finest.
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#40385 - 07/17/10 09:48 AM
Re: Objective Effects of Lying
[Re: Valor]
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XiaoGui17
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Registered: 10/21/09
Posts: 310
Loc: Austin, TX
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Curses! I saw that Valor had recently posted in this thread and came happily skipping back, anticipating some fresh, raw, bloody meat. Instead I found myself wondering where Valor had posted and having to scroll back up and double-check. The damn bastard actually made a post that was so coherent I thought it was someone else. I guess he's finally learned to adapt to the forums. My prediction was wrong; I guess I'll be seeing him around a little longer.
There is only one grammar error in his post (the use of "it's" with an apostrophe as a possessive). And I can't really fault him for that because 1) It's a common error that even the educated make, 2) He's certainly not the only one to make it in these forums, and 3) I can still understand what he's saying in spite of it; it doesn't make his post difficult to read. I could drag him across the coals for posting an unnecessarily long quote above what is essentially a "one-liner," but even I'm not that much of a board nazi. And no, this isn't just paralipsis for its own sake. I just want to clarify, in case someone else points this out, that I am capable of discerning even the most discreet of booboos.  (Note that I myself almost used "discrete," but aware of how these two terms are discrete, and my own forgetfulness, I Googled it.)
P.S. Web design? (o_o) Keep me posted on the development of your company, Fnord. I may hire you once I've completed the P.A. process. (Admittedly, this will take a while, but I imagine you've got a lot of your own getting ready to do.)
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#50768 - 03/10/11 05:29 PM
Re: Objective Effects of Lying.
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AdonKilravok
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Registered: 12/04/10
Posts: 7
Loc: Kingdom of Wessex
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Due to the uncertainty wether or not the ritual worked or not, saying that you got your wish granted might turn out a lie, but it might turn out the truth. However, if the ritual is all you ever done to achieve your goal, then it most likely will turn out a lie. The ritual only focusses and defines your will. But it is your actions which give your will its power to affect the world. To not act upon a ritual, promiss or intent is indeed watering down one's will and might.
I personally define lieing as speaking against better knowing, meaning, if you know its one way and you state its the other way, its lying. If you state its one way because you truely believe its that way, then its not lying even if its false. If you state its one way even though you don't really believe it is then its not lieing, its dishonesty, even if it really is that way.
Lying and dishonnesty are both, in my opinion, signs of low character. They are always insulting, even polite or 'white' lies, and they prove nothing other thasn that one doesn't trust the opposite nor is oneself trustworthy.
Just the twopens of a noob who never seen an accademic faculty from the inside. Please forgive if i don't make sense or have too many typos.
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