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#4021 - 02/09/08 10:21 PM USA meet UK, Your intellectual equivelent.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/10/nsharia110.xml

This just says it all really.

The Telegraph is the UK's CONSERVATIVE paper. For those who don't know that's the UK's equivelent of a Republican paper. When even they think our rediculous religious laws are getting out of hand we have major problems.
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#4026 - 02/10/08 01:40 AM Re: USA meet UK, Your intellectual equivelent. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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In what way does that article relate to U.S. laws?

To the best of my knowledge, the U.S.A., does not have a separate legal system for Muslims. For instance, Polygamy is illegal in all of the fifty states, although the law has turned a blind eye, when it comes to some Mormons in Utah, except in a few cases, where it was discovered that some men were marrying minors.

I do agree that multiculturalism is disastrous for the nation as a whole.
North America is its own entity, and if someone desires to promote the culture of the land which they have come from, then they might as well have stayed there.
I can understand instances, where people are persecuted in their native country for their beliefs, and that they might come here because they believe that this nation as a whole, is more tolerant of different cultures. In such a case, I do not advocate them abandoning what they hold dear, however, it is unrealistic for them to believe, that we will embrace those beliefs as our own, or that we will celebrate them. If they expect us to change for their beliefs, then it is also grossly disrespectful to our culture, which many of us hold in high esteem.

America has often been referred to as a “Melting Pot” of different cultures. This does not mean that the existing culture here, will evaporate in order to make room for something else, but instead, that it will tolerate, and accept the ideals of those who come here, but not necessarily adopt those ideals as our own.

We have certain standards, which we will not bend, or perhaps it is more accurate to say, that I personally hope that we will not bend them. Those being protecting the personal freedoms of those who live here.
Therefore, if someone comes here, and wishes to tread upon the privileges of others, even if they are all from the same place originally, we will not tolerate the abuse of those people’s privileges.

For example, if a man immigrates to the states from another country with his wife, and in his “culture” it is acceptable to physically harm said wife for disobeying him, that particular belief of his will not be tolerated here, and his wife will be protected by our laws.

The same applies to his children. Even if in his “culture” it as acceptable for him to have sex with his under aged children, those children’s privileges to live without harm will over rule any of his cultures beliefs.

I am not naive enough to believe that this is how it always works out, however, I do believe that, that is the way the founders of this nation had intended it to work.
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#4030 - 02/10/08 08:15 AM Re: USA meet UK, Your intellectual equivelent. [Re: Asmedious]
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This article has nothing to do with the US. I just always hated US politics because it made my brain hurt wondering how some of the rediculas laws and values had been decided on. This made me prefer Britain immensly. However seeing how much Islam is fucking over the UK now, I no longer want to live here, the second I am made to follow Sharia law is the day before people read "Crazy Scouse Bastard Slaughters People With Bucher Knife In The Street" because we've just lost our right to exist. I would rather not exist than be surrounded by so much idiocy... well maybe I'm exaggerating but even still.
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#4031 - 02/10/08 09:48 AM Re: USA meet UK, Your intellectual equivelent. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Brits and Europeans like to fashion themselves as tolerant Center-Left to Left-Liberal people. And look what this has gotten you. In a generation (25 years or so) the EU WILL be predominantly Muslim. You are being out breed 3:1 and in most cases ethnic Europeans are having negative population growth. This would not be so disturbing if the Muslims were assimilating to Western culture. Instead, they are demanding that you adopt their culture.

While it may not be your preference, the nature of conflict demands that you take a side or be destroyed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MR5OvudsfNE

For you, I would recommend you start voting BNP.

... or just start learning Arabic....
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#4032 - 02/10/08 09:49 AM Re: USA meet UK, Your intellectual equivelent. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/10/nsharia110.xml

This just says it all really.

The Telegraph is the UK's CONSERVATIVE paper. For those who don't know that's the UK's equivelent of a Republican paper. When even they think our rediculous religious laws are getting out of hand we have major problems.


Hello T.C.

While you managed to get in a pretty good swipe at conservatives in your original post, wouldn't you agree that the issue at hand is the result of the liberal penchant for "tolerance" and political correctness in general? I'm pretty sure that if ANY political wing caves to the demands of Muslims on this issue, it WON'T be the "Right".

It will be interesting to see how far this goes.

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#4061 - 02/10/08 09:36 PM Re: USA meet UK, Your intellectual equivelent. [Re: Equilibrio]
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Hell yes. The liberal left wing pussy "I won't offend anyone" attitude is responsible for far to much.

I hate the liberal socialists and the conservatives. Both are rediculas extremes that make my life harder.

Hey, that rediculas "refusing to offend" attitude cause THIS to happen.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/education/7204635.stm


I mean seriously it's the Three Little Pigs for fuck sake. Lighten up now or die. No fuck that, just die, you worthless peice of distended rectum... fucking liberal, kid story banning fucktard.
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#4062 - 02/10/08 09:40 PM Re: USA meet UK, Your intellectual equivelent. [Re: Fist]
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For you, I would recommend you start voting BNP.

... or just start learning Arabic....


I'm extremely tempted. As an extremist I have no issue with extreme opinion but the BNP are a little too "white supremecy" for me. I don't believe that shit. I just want Britain to stay British.

If the BNP where in power a few of my friends, all of who conform to British law and culture and about one third of my Aikido Dojo all get sent back to there own countries.

BNP are openly racist, and openly neo-nazi, (or at least where until 10 years ago). I respect them for the honesty, but I don't share that belief.
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#4086 - 02/11/08 11:52 AM Re: USA meet UK, Your intellectual equivelent. [Re: Fist]
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In a generation (25 years or so) the EU WILL be predominantly Muslim. You are being out breed 3:1 and in most cases ethnic Europeans are having negative population growth.


Do you have a source for these figures? I keep getting similar stats thrown at me by friends, but as yet I have been unable to verify them. If you have references, I'd really appreciate it if you could pass them on.

In the UK at least, Muslims make up >3% of the general population, so they're going to have to get down to some serious fucking if they're to outnumber the natives within a single generation. I have a hard time believing that we'll have a Muslim majority any time before 2100 (by which time it's reasonable to assume that immigrant birth rates will have fallen in line with the national average).

On the other hand, I agree with you about Muslims failing to assimilate. Islamic values are clearly incompatible with our own (the European Court of Human Rights have said as much). Even if we don't get the population boom you've predicted, we're still sitting on a powderkeg of social unrest here.

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#4087 - 02/11/08 12:46 PM Re: USA meet UK, Your intellectual equivelent. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I’m still on the fence, when it comes to racism.

I have seen enough of the world, to believe that generally speaking, some races can indeed be classified, as to their general behavior, and intellect. However, this is more because of their culture, and not the color of their skin.

Generally, I believe that a large number, of American Blacks have the “world is against us, so I can’t get ahead” attitude, while black people from other countries often are well spoken, and comfortable in their own skin.

However, when it comes to Muslims, I do not have any difficulty in judging them, without exception. I would not trust any Muslim at all. In that case, it’s not about skin color, and genetics, as much as it is about belief, and anyone who believes that they will be rewarded in an after life for causing pain and suffering in this world, can not be trusted.
I understand, that many, even most Muslims are non violent or hateful. However, they are still apart of the group that are. If this was not the case, then the general Muslim community, would be protesting publicly, and would condemn the fundamentalist’s without fear, because they would be doing something for the benefit of their faith. At least that is the way that I see it.

Because of this, I am disheartened at what Europe has done to itself, by allowing the vermin to infest it.
I like modern British culture greatly, and would be bothered if it was ruined by the weak minded, blind and insane Utopia seekers, who believe that everyone can live together in peace and harmony. It is just not human nature to do so, when there isn’t enough resources for everyone.
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#4089 - 02/11/08 02:04 PM Re: USA meet UK, Your intellectual equivelent. [Re: Asmedious]
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I am living in a European country called "The Netherlands",
more and more I see a disrespect of religions like the Islam against freedom of speech and thought.

We people have so long softened and shaped the invading religions like Christianity and such to have a freedom of speech and thought.
Monks and Nuns are decreasing in number, women come up for their rights and do not have to cover their head.
Children get right education, learn how the world works and learn to respect each other.

Then comes this group of people who come and live in our country.
Fine by me.
Who want to have respect and a good place to live, education and help from our fellow Dutchies.
Fine by me.
Who ask rights to have their own religion and places of worship.
Alright.
And then suddenly turn so arrogant as to reacting aggressive towards jokes and nicknames. To force us to respect their religion as holy, as something above freedom of speech, worship and thought.
Damn them.

And it is not all the Muslims, there are those who are kind. Who can laugh about a joke, who can inform us that they are not dangerous and are not wanting to take over our country and do not steal our bicycles.

Then there is that part who acts as if Islam and our Country are one. That those who make jokes or have critic upon their religion should be punished. We live in the 21th century, not in the middle ages.
We make jokes about Jews, about blond people, about ourselves, about others, about Christianity, Catholics. Why can't we make jokes about the Islam?
Why can they call our women whores, and us dogs? While we can't all them anything and have to "respect" them.
I think they should, to make us respect them, join our society instead of making a separate one in our country. We are free to think and say what we want, we decided that as a whole.

Geert Wilders is making an anti-Islam movie right now. Apart from that he is trying to create a mass-hysteria, something interesting is happening.
The Islam society thinks he should be put in prison. And tries very hard to get that done.
On the other hand, protestants where thrown into jail, Wilders said that they shouldn't be put in jail for they have a freedom of speech. He is hurt by the protestants but he does think that they shouldn't be put in jail. Respectable that is.

So when the movie gets out, the Muslims can do two things;
1. They can act aggressive towards Geert Wilders and the movie. Shouting and calling names and destroying stuff. Which would prove the movie right.

2. They can try to inform us that it is different, that we should not be afraid of them and that they will respect the laws of our country.

Hopefully they will choose for option 2.
Though if one calls the Qu-ran a fascist book, it's the same as the bible and the Torah. Maybe we should just ban all organized religion out of the world. Censor the books, track people who are religious extremists or other way extreme in their judging.

'Cause mankind is that childish...
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#4095 - 02/11/08 06:08 PM Re: USA meet UK, Your intellectual equivelent. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I think your missing the point of the BNP. The BNP does attract White Nationalist but that is because the BNP is a nationalist party. While all White Nationalist are nationalists, not all nationalists are White Supremacists.

The BNP is made up of a lot of 'normal' people who have been sold out buy Labour. They have seen their jobs sent to China and their general standard of living go down the toilet, and all the while being made to feel like foreigners in their own country.

Try this, agree or disagree:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsA_Xko4tqM

And if I am not mistaken, you are Welsh. Any reason this message was banned by the BBC?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDOJaOAmJFQ
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#4112 - 02/11/08 11:00 PM Re: USA meet UK, Your intellectual equivelent. [Re: Stag]
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An excellent question, Stag!

I have tried a bit to find the answer online but it would seem that most countries in Europe do a good job of concealing this information in the way they compile and distribute their census information. Why? As a public document I am sure you would have no problem finding this information in the official UK census. Right?

All the same, I sort of like the way these stats are laid out:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTjH6R7dxR8

Germany for Germans - Outlander, out!... sort of catchy is it not?...
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#4113 - 02/12/08 02:39 AM Re: USA meet UK, Your intellectual equivelent. [Re: Fist]
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ha fist if that was not a white power video i dont know what is. i think the zieg heil at the ralley part gave it away:)
so what makes you better? you are a patriotic zealot at least from what i have seen of you on these forums.patriotism is not something to be proud of it is a form of control just like any other.told from birth to love your country,religion,or ideal.who your daddy? well your goverment is appartly. hell you have been so brainwashed you are out killing for your country and put your life on the line for that.what if you where born somewhere other then the usa? i wonder if you would have the same patriotic zeal you do now? of course its a redundant point but i still wonder. yet you seem quite intellegent from what i read on the forum so how could you be so blind and fanatical to one side, yet eyes so open to the rest.it is quite confusing.

fuck patriotism why die for them.as satanist we have no illustions about eternity, yet you are willing to die for some ones eles war, a bit of oil or the collective.seems kinda foolish in my views. but so be it if some one wanted to die for me go hard, i wont respect them for it unless i ask them to die for me.more or less i laugh at them to be honest.

guilted into respect from some one who died with out my asking for it. sound familar? to sum up what i am saying fanatical patriots and fanatical religious nuts are both in the same boat in my views, blind and doing exaclty what they have been told/taught to do.
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#4122 - 02/12/08 11:30 AM Re: USA meet UK, Your intellectual equivelent. [Re: Fist]
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 Originally Posted By: Fist
I think your missing the point of the BNP. The BNP does attract White Nationalist but that is because the BNP is a nationalist party. While all White Nationalist are nationalists, not all nationalists are White Supremacists.

The BNP is made up of a lot of 'normal' people who have been sold out buy Labour. They have seen their jobs sent to China and their general standard of living go down the toilet, and all the while being made to feel like foreigners in their own country.

Try this, agree or disagree:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VsA_Xko4tqM

And if I am not mistaken, you are Welsh. Any reason this message was banned by the BBC?:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDOJaOAmJFQ


The party itself is quite racist, and admits it. I have no problem with nationalism, I support that and I do agree for the most part with what they're saying on some of the issues but they want to take it further. They're masking their prejudice with an issue that is important but they would take it to the other extreme if they where in power and that would be just as bad.
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#4129 - 02/12/08 04:19 PM Re: USA meet UK, Your intellectual equivelent. [Re: TornadoCreator]
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TC, as I continue to point out, this is the nature of conflict. You are seeking some third way that does not exist. The nature of conflict demands that you take a side or be destroyed.

As you know, the Islamists are demanding that you give up your ways and adopt theirs. For them, there is no middle ground. The Left in Europe seems content to let this terminate at it's logical conclusion. The Right is fighting against the tide. Surely you must realize that both sides are fully committed and that one will win and one will lose. Do you accept this as a fact?

Conflict ends when one side wins and the other loses. The question is, given a choice between Sharia Law and Nationalism, which will you choose?

Now naturally, in your parliamentary system, you could start another party all together. But I am not sure that the UK has that sort of time.

Anyway.... GOOD LUCK!
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#4131 - 02/12/08 04:28 PM Re: USA meet UK, Your intellectual equivelent. [Re: rob_church]
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Rob, don't be so open minded that you get a hole in your head.

You seem to dress me down in the manner of someone with great experience who is speaking from a position of authority. If I might ask then, what is your experience with Islam? Have you read the Quaran? Studied Arabic? Lived in the Middle East? Spoken at length with Muslims?

What makes you so in love with Islam? Why do you put such faith in multiculturalism?

Is this a Satanic position?

I base my positions on direct observation. How about you?
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#4153 - 02/12/08 08:19 PM Re: USA meet UK, Your intellectual equivelent. [Re: Fist]
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i will always fight that control and brainwashing i have my entire life. not sure it open minded as it is seeing the world as it is
patriotism ,muslim extermist, xian fundys all the same,look at what happened after 911, the hatered,racisism ,the violence on the innocent ,the loss of freedoms,the wars. how is that any better then what the muslims are doing?america is doing the same thing but i bet the death count is higher. all done in the name of patriotism.

if i came across that way ,that was not my intention and i should have directed this not just at you but all extermist patriots on here as their is quite a few oddly enought.i was actually shocked to see the majority of satanist to have this view,so opposed to one form of control,yet embracing another.

on experince you have me their:) you deffintly have mutch more experince as i have never been to the middle east but...i do have the option of being an imparshal observer as i am not from either side, you see the world under a glass ball so to speak and in the ball is all the media fed to you and the patriotism disease fed to you all you life and that the other guy is the enemy in images across that ball you may think your seeing out. but your view is warped as you are still inside it .some muslim guy has the same in his country. i am out side both balls lol i should have worded that better lol but ya i can see both sides
an both sides are just as bad in my eyes both sides are trying to assimalate or destroy the other.

i have no love for islam it is a disease just as xianity, blind faith,and patriotism. your contsant position to defend the white race from the so called invaders stems from patriotism as it is my belif that all racisim does. i just dont see the white race as being that great, no better or worse then any other ethnicty.i dont really put faith in multiculturism i just dont hate every one that is not like me.

fuck yes this is a satanic postion
my position is that neither side is right both are equally wrong.both sides act in blind obediance based on what they have been taught.yet your postion based on what you have been taught is they are the enemy and you are in the right.remeber this in every war the side you are on is said to be the good guys.just as your enemys belives they are the good guys.
when you choices are based on propaganda taught to you and you accept and act on thouse choices that to me is far from satanic.
obediance does not equel satanic thought.
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#4163 - 02/12/08 11:23 PM Re: USA meet UK, Your intellectual equivelent. [Re: rob_church]
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Honestly Fist, I think the UK can have a middleground. On this issue Liberal Democrats and Labour both seem to support multiculturalism and thus will allow the Islamic sects of Britain to run everything in an effort to stay "politically correct". BNP wants to force everyone without Anglican ancenstry to either leave or to stay in the UK as an 'honorary guest', which means they remain citizens but without the right to vote from what I can make of the policy. Effectively becomming lifelong tourists. This isn't right really. What they really want to say is "Only White people can vote because white people are better." Really though BNP are not major players Conservatives are the major player against this issue but I disagree on so many other issues that they have that I can't bring myself to vote for them.

The current UK political parties and their power are as follows.

We have 943 people in our government (so each person is effectively ~0.1% of the government) The following parties have the following level of power.

Labour Party - 427 seats (so about 42%)
- They support USA politics, pro-immigration, pro-gay marriage and pro-workers unions.

Conservative Party - 226 seats (so about 22%)
- They support USA politics, anti-immigration, anti-gay marriage and private healthcare.

Liberal Democrats - 97 seats (so about 9%)
- They are againt USA politics, pro-immigration, pro-gay marriage and pro-european merging.

Scotish Nationalist Party - 53 seats (so about 5%)
- They support funding scottish workers unions are anti-USA politics and are anti-european merging.

Unionists Party - 35 seats (so about 3%)
- They are extremely right wing, similar to conservatives but more extreme. They are anti-sex education and extremely christian.

Sinn Féin Party - 33 seats (so about 3%)
- Extremely christian, anti-sex education, anti-gay marriage, pro-socialism.

British Nationalist Party - 23 seats (so about 2%)
- Glorified nazi party. Exceptionally racist.

Social Democrats - 19 seats (less than 2%)
- Take liberal democrats, remove thier spine. You now have the social democrats. They don't have issues... it might offend someone.

Ulster Unionists Party - 19 seats (less than 2%)
- Irish nationalist party. Want Northern Ireland to become part of Eire (the Republic of Ireland).

Plaid Cymru Party - 18 seats (less than 2%)
- Pro Welsh independance, similar to liberal democrats in other respects. Quite anti-English but any other nationality is fine.

Green Party - 10 seats (less than 1%)
- Enviromentalist party basically. Similar to Liberal Democrats in other areas.

Respect Coalition Party - 1 seat (not important)
- Anti-war, anti-USA, argumentative sods that care about nothing but stopping the war in Iraq.

The next general election is comming up very soon. Who would you vote for.
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