#40353 - 07/16/10 08:40 PM
Re: No offense iPhone-ers...
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zippadydooda
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I sure know in America the upper-middle class is populated mostly of sheltered ignorant dumbshits.
I think you just made my day.
A good example is in the cereal isles of grocery stores. You can get some generic fruity pebbles that taste exactly the same as the name brand. You get more. It costs less. Yet they still pay extra for less just so they can see Fred and Barney on the box.
You're after me lucky charms!
I think it just boils down to people thinking that the recognized brand makes a better product than the generic for no reason other than seeing a commercial for it on TV, or reading about it in a magazine.
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#40376 - 07/17/10 12:52 AM
Re: No offense iPhone-ers...
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Draculesti
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Great video. It's a perfect illustration as to how the average consumer can get swept up in the hysteria of a new product such as this. Sure, I wanted a PS3 and an Xbox 360 when they first came out, but I NEVER buy the first generation of a new technology. Aside from the fact that I usually can't afford them when they're first released, there are always bugs still to be worked out. Just look at the "red ring of death" fiasco with the first gen of Xbox 360.
My money is on the Droid as well. Verizon was recently running a special where you could buy one Droid and get another one free. Fuck iPhone, and Apple, and Steve Jobs. His last name is Jobs. Insert what you want in front of it, and it will sound funny.
However, despite the fact that the Droid isn't available on their network, I'm seriously thinking about checking out Cricket, a new up and coming mobile company. On the surface of things, their plans sound incredible, but I'll need to do more research.
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#40477 - 07/19/10 10:19 AM
Re: No offense iPhone-ers...
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Fnord
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I haven't lived in any other countries to comment on them, but I sure know in America the upper-middle class is populated mostly of sheltered ignorant dumbshits.
Well, that would be myself and most of my friends.
For the most part, the middle class and upper middle class are comprised of people who don't come from money, but who work their asses off for what they have. I know I have and I know being a sheltered ignorant dumbshit didn't get me here.
I can assure you that I personally have faced down hardships and situations in standing on my own feet and earning my own way that would have sent some crawling for shelter.
I personally think people who make sweeping statements about groups of other people that they don't even know SHOW themselves to be ignorant dumbshits.
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#40478 - 07/19/10 10:48 AM
Re: No offense iPhone-ers...
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ceruleansteel
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Almost all the upper middle class that I have met - especially the kids - are brand-obsessed as well as sheltered ignorant dumbshits. And while I'm sure there are some who actually do claw their way up to middle-shelf, most of them got a degree on daddy's dime and skate through life blissfully ignorant of true struggle and strife.
I can assure you that everyone on this board has some harrowing tale of overcoming the odds and blahblahblah...it's a fuckin' Satanism forum, for shit's sake. One of the core beliefs that spans all walk of Satanist is that you bust your fuckin' hump and make shit happen.
Go do some yoga or buy another 60$ t-shirt...and quit whining.
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#40499 - 07/19/10 04:06 PM
Re: No offense iPhone-ers...
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TV is God
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I think it's clear I used the term MOSTLY. I'm not saying this is something exclusive to the middle class or that every middle class person is like that. In fact you are right, there are plenty in the lower class that have the exact same mentality.
But I do feel very comfortable saying the vast majority of the middle class fits this profile.
For the most part, the middle class and upper middle class are comprised of people who don't come from money, but who work their asses off for what they have. I know I have and I know being a sheltered ignorant dumbshit didn't get me here.
I have respect for anyone who did bust their ass to get there. But to say "for the most part"? That I cannot believe.
Just go to any expensive shopping district or expensive mall store. You'll see what the middle class is for the most part.
Being an ignorant dumbshit doesn't get you there, but it sure as hell can keep you there.
I suppose maybe the process is not as bad in a bigger city where people live closer to each other. But in the towns and smaller cities I've lived in the formula is the same. Kids are born into a family with money. This family lives in a "nice neighbourhood" where everybody has a presentable house and is dressed "well" (which should read as "plain and expensive") They are brought up in this little circle where everybody's so proper and respectful to each other. And every sunday they meet up at church where they whip out the even MORE expensive clothes.
They keep their kids away from anybody that doesn't "look right" (like them) They slam into their heads to stay with their own kind.
They make it through high school easy (because it doesn't take any brains to do that) and then their way is paid through college. They usually become either very paranoid of all people and flock to their own kind, do the same but to their church, or most often think they've finally hit that "rebellious" part of their life and become a drunken "bro." (The worst kind of person is a "bro." I have more respect for a crack-head.)
And then they usually get an easy as fuck job handed to them (because they have family and know the right people.) Where they begin the process again by having more useless children.
Believe me I could attack the lower class the same. I think that the vast majority of all humans are ignorant dumbshits but in different ways. I just find the common brandwhore from money to be America's pick of the litter.
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#40545 - 07/20/10 11:38 AM
Re: No offense iPhone-ers...
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Fnord
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I think it's clear I used the term MOSTLY.
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But I do feel very comfortable saying the vast majority of the middle class fits this profile.
I'm not comfortable making sweeping statements about large groups of people. In fact, I'm not much on making large sweeping statements about anything at all because there's always some little detail or some small (or large) angle that I haven't thought of that will inevitably prove me wrong. To avoid this, I tend to be very careful about the definitive terms that I use. In your example of MOSTLY, I can think of 20 people who I associate with who aren't even close to matching your standard. In this way, your statement appears to be false to me, though in your experience it may be true to you. It's a very subjective statement and is only true (or false) depending on the instrument that is measuring it (the person reading the statement).
This is essentially what I've called you out on, not that you have an opinion one way or another about a particular socio economic class.
I think an important lesson that may hit rather close to home is the example of the Satanic Panic. Satanists were painted with a very broad brush and inaccurately grouped together with xian heretics. I daresay this is still the case and I would also venture to say that you personally would strive to correct someone who would seek to erroneously group you into the common collective idea of what Satanism is (which is mostly error).
Being a staunch individualist I tend to nitpick and fight any label that anyone tries to apply to me because I'll inevitably disagree with some small part of their definition of what the label means.
Anyway, I do apologize for referring to you as a dumbshit yesterday. That part didn't add anything to my arguments and is a bit embarrassing to read today (chalk it up to heat of the moment).
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#40645 - 07/22/10 05:11 AM
Re: No offense iPhone-ers...
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Meq
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Sure, I wanted a PS3 and an Xbox 360 when they first came out, but I NEVER buy the first generation of a new technology. Aside from the fact that I usually can't afford them when they're first released, there are always bugs still to be worked out. Just look at the "red ring of death" fiasco with the first gen of Xbox 360.
Same with the PS3. My brother paid a fortune for one making sure he got the model with PS2 backwards compatibility. It broke down out of warranty, so he had to shell out for a replacement. That broke down. He screamed at them on the phone until they sent another replacement free. I'm wondering how long that will last... (Then there's the little issue of Sony removing features retroactively... such as the ability to run Linux on fat PS3s.)
As for Apple, well the same brother got an iPhone 4 on contract. I'm guessing it won't be long before he regrets making that decision, no matter how much he appeared to save initially on the phone. While I won't be shelling out for a smartphone, another brother of mine got the Sony Ericsson X10 instead (with Android), and I greatly preferred it to Apple's closed system of apps. I could even install an Amiga emulator for free on the X10 - it's not yet in the Apple App Store, and when it arrives it sure won't be free. Apple's desktop/Macbook OS (Mac OS X Snow Leopard) is fine, it's their mobile operating systems which are locked down.
The HTC Evo 4G is not yet available in my country, however as a 4G phone is also the first generation of a new technology, and thus not something I would consider purchasing yet, for much the same reasons. I'd wait until the standard becomes more common and the price comes down, and any major bugs are ironed out.
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#40648 - 07/22/10 09:23 AM
Re: No offense iPhone-ers...
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DistroyA
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Sure, I wanted a PS3 and an Xbox 360 when they first came out, but I NEVER buy the first generation of a new technology. Aside from the fact that I usually can't afford them when they're first released, there are always bugs still to be worked out. Just look at the "red ring of death" fiasco with the first gen of Xbox 360.
I think the new gen flaws thing is a more recent event to be honest. I remember getting the PS2 for my birthday back in 2001, and it's been running more or less smoothly since then. I will admit that it's slowly dying, as some games, particularly racing games, don't run as efficiently as they should, or they don't run at all (The main example I can think of is Outrun 2006).
I've had my 360 for about a year now, and so far, no problems regarding the hardware. The PS3 however is a more recent item (A second hand 80GB model mind...), so we'll see what happens there. Hopefully, if anything does go wrong on the PS3, it'll be the disc drive that'll go faulty, so then I can back up my game data and transfer it onto a new console. This is talking hypothetically of course.
As for the 60GB model, I've heard some bad press about them from a friend of mine, seeing as he had one, and it's disc drive fucked up after a while, and he'd heard over the net that those models had a tendency to break down. Good job I went for the later model. 
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