#40531 - 07/20/10 01:28 AM
Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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Meatl Gear
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Registered: 08/11/09
Posts: 41
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I think Anton LaVey had a lot of good ideas, but I do not try to match him step for step philosophically. What do you do? I view Lavey the same way I view Plato or Socrates. A philosopher, but not some sort of model to which I must conform perfectly. How do you view him? As a guidebook on how to live life, or as a man who had some ideas you agree with, others you disagree with.
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#40538 - 07/20/10 03:34 AM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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MatthewJ1
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Registered: 10/28/09
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Loc: Australia
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I am in agreement with Dr. LaVey, rather than being a follower of Dr. LaVey.
I don’t really follow The Satanic Bible, nor the conclusions reached in the other works of LaVey. I read those works and found that LaVey and I shared a similar perspective on the world, or picture of reality and human nature, and as a result I adopted a name which I feel defines me.
I did not know Dr. LaVey, he lives for me through his works, and through the stories and works of others who knew him.
I have been very interested in trying to draw the deepest possible meaning I could from those works, and I have also been interested in looking at as many of the influences and sources for LaVey’s work as I could.
Satanist’s aren’t really followers I think, but they may carefully choose teachers or advisers to assist them on their way towards real self awareness and clarity. LaVey is the teacher, the adviser.
Dr. LaVey was a very powerful magician and one can end up just being under the Lesser Magical power and influence of the man, rather than being an independently minded student.
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#40584 - 07/20/10 11:03 PM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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Gods-6-elements
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Registered: 07/02/10
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I would slap the shine off his head, he don't know shit about no real devils and lucifer.
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#40605 - 07/21/10 05:31 AM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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Dimitri
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I would slap the shine off his head, he don't know shit about no real devils and lucifer.
The shine of his head.. didn't know LaVey gave light in the dark.
What makes you think there is a real devil?
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#40634 - 07/21/10 11:33 PM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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Clicks
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Registered: 06/14/10
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Loc: New Orleans
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I would slap the shine off his head, he don't know shit about no real devils and lucifer.
Great application of English. In your other thread it was pointed out that you need to exercise an understanding of proper english here, whether it be a literature forum or not, as you made point of mentioning in your thread. Your wording here makes you seem sarcastic, even though it should be clear that you are not, still by reference of your thread.
Now, there is a common understanding here that there are no real devils, or a Luficer. You are free to express your opinions and ideas, but please do it in a more civilized and thoughtful manner.
Also, watch the one-liners.
Edited by Clicks (07/21/10 11:34 PM)
Edit Reason: Mention of one-liner.
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#40644 - 07/22/10 02:43 AM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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straif
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Registered: 07/20/10
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I think it's useful to take bits and pieces of all types of thinkers, regardless of what religious or political affiliation they may have as nearly everyone has at least one thought that can benefit you. Of course it's up to us to pick and choose who we decide to listen to, but to completely follow one person is to stifle your own creativity. To completely follow anyone but yourself is death, really.
The Dalai Lama once said "be the change you wish to see in the world". Be who you want to be, mold yourself into the being you want.
It's ok to use the tools of Lavey, Plato, Freud, Nietzsche, Tzu, etc. to create who you want to be. I think the issue is that a lot of people use the tools to re-create the thinker within themselves, and that is were they get stuck.
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#40653 - 07/22/10 05:29 PM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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straif
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Registered: 07/20/10
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Well put about drawing your own conclusions. I remember that when I first heard that Dalai Lama quote it was in class. The teacher wanted us to write about it, I wrote about how the world needs more people who are strong willed and say what they really feel and less people who advocate complete political correctness as this simply bring about weakening the general populous into complacency. I wrote about how it is ok to fix a wrong when someone has wronged you, and how this is the only true justice there is, when you look at the non-human world only the strong survive, by incorporating a "justice" system that does not work you harm the human's nature and since we can't "legally" do anything about it, you have more people who are unhappy with their lives, their jobs, which leads to compulsive behavior.
this teacher asked me to read the paper to the class as i was the only person who went off in a tangent in the complete opposite direction as everyone else.
Most students felt that since it was the Dalai Lama then he certainly meant something peaceful, while my general stance was to actually interpret rather than spew it back.
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#40727 - 07/23/10 10:06 PM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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TheInsane
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I remember a similar scenario. It must have been the first or second day of University for me several years back. I was studying religion and the very first thing we did was to have a discussion about "the core of religion". As usual, I sat silent and listened to what everyone had to say and the theories were many. Most common where the opinions that the actual core or religion was "God" or "love". And some tried to define these concepts as well.
And then after about an hour I decided to state my opinion after having listened to everyone. I basically said one sentence and it turned everything on its head. It might not be strange at a board like this but here it was. I said "who said there is a core at all?" or something along those lines.
My, then soon-to-be, professor smiled and said that this is what the lecture was all about - thinking outside of the box - and that I was the first one to do so. Everyone else that spoke their mind seemed bound by their own religious faith or the popular image of religion in general. SInce then I was the teachers pet because I never said what they expected me to say 
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