#40531 - 07/20/10 01:28 AM
Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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Meatl Gear
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I think Anton LaVey had a lot of good ideas, but I do not try to match him step for step philosophically. What do you do? I view Lavey the same way I view Plato or Socrates. A philosopher, but not some sort of model to which I must conform perfectly. How do you view him? As a guidebook on how to live life, or as a man who had some ideas you agree with, others you disagree with.
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#40538 - 07/20/10 03:34 AM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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MatthewJ1
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I am in agreement with Dr. LaVey, rather than being a follower of Dr. LaVey.
I don’t really follow The Satanic Bible, nor the conclusions reached in the other works of LaVey. I read those works and found that LaVey and I shared a similar perspective on the world, or picture of reality and human nature, and as a result I adopted a name which I feel defines me.
I did not know Dr. LaVey, he lives for me through his works, and through the stories and works of others who knew him.
I have been very interested in trying to draw the deepest possible meaning I could from those works, and I have also been interested in looking at as many of the influences and sources for LaVey’s work as I could.
Satanist’s aren’t really followers I think, but they may carefully choose teachers or advisers to assist them on their way towards real self awareness and clarity. LaVey is the teacher, the adviser.
Dr. LaVey was a very powerful magician and one can end up just being under the Lesser Magical power and influence of the man, rather than being an independently minded student.
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#40584 - 07/20/10 11:03 PM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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Gods-6-elements
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I would slap the shine off his head, he don't know shit about no real devils and lucifer.
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#40605 - 07/21/10 05:31 AM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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Dimitri
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I would slap the shine off his head, he don't know shit about no real devils and lucifer.
The shine of his head.. didn't know LaVey gave light in the dark.
What makes you think there is a real devil?
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#40634 - 07/21/10 11:33 PM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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Clicks
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I would slap the shine off his head, he don't know shit about no real devils and lucifer.
Great application of English. In your other thread it was pointed out that you need to exercise an understanding of proper english here, whether it be a literature forum or not, as you made point of mentioning in your thread. Your wording here makes you seem sarcastic, even though it should be clear that you are not, still by reference of your thread.
Now, there is a common understanding here that there are no real devils, or a Luficer. You are free to express your opinions and ideas, but please do it in a more civilized and thoughtful manner.
Also, watch the one-liners.
Edited by Clicks (07/21/10 11:34 PM)
Edit Reason: Mention of one-liner.
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#40644 - 07/22/10 02:43 AM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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straif
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I think it's useful to take bits and pieces of all types of thinkers, regardless of what religious or political affiliation they may have as nearly everyone has at least one thought that can benefit you. Of course it's up to us to pick and choose who we decide to listen to, but to completely follow one person is to stifle your own creativity. To completely follow anyone but yourself is death, really.
The Dalai Lama once said "be the change you wish to see in the world". Be who you want to be, mold yourself into the being you want.
It's ok to use the tools of Lavey, Plato, Freud, Nietzsche, Tzu, etc. to create who you want to be. I think the issue is that a lot of people use the tools to re-create the thinker within themselves, and that is were they get stuck.
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#40653 - 07/22/10 05:29 PM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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straif
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Well put about drawing your own conclusions. I remember that when I first heard that Dalai Lama quote it was in class. The teacher wanted us to write about it, I wrote about how the world needs more people who are strong willed and say what they really feel and less people who advocate complete political correctness as this simply bring about weakening the general populous into complacency. I wrote about how it is ok to fix a wrong when someone has wronged you, and how this is the only true justice there is, when you look at the non-human world only the strong survive, by incorporating a "justice" system that does not work you harm the human's nature and since we can't "legally" do anything about it, you have more people who are unhappy with their lives, their jobs, which leads to compulsive behavior.
this teacher asked me to read the paper to the class as i was the only person who went off in a tangent in the complete opposite direction as everyone else.
Most students felt that since it was the Dalai Lama then he certainly meant something peaceful, while my general stance was to actually interpret rather than spew it back.
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#40727 - 07/23/10 10:06 PM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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TheInsane
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I remember a similar scenario. It must have been the first or second day of University for me several years back. I was studying religion and the very first thing we did was to have a discussion about "the core of religion". As usual, I sat silent and listened to what everyone had to say and the theories were many. Most common where the opinions that the actual core or religion was "God" or "love". And some tried to define these concepts as well.
And then after about an hour I decided to state my opinion after having listened to everyone. I basically said one sentence and it turned everything on its head. It might not be strange at a board like this but here it was. I said "who said there is a core at all?" or something along those lines.
My, then soon-to-be, professor smiled and said that this is what the lecture was all about - thinking outside of the box - and that I was the first one to do so. Everyone else that spoke their mind seemed bound by their own religious faith or the popular image of religion in general. SInce then I was the teachers pet because I never said what they expected me to say 
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#40883 - 07/27/10 03:32 AM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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straif
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I think that the philosophies represented behind the very concepts of religion should be studied and looked into and not thrown to the way side. After all, somebody had to use intellect to create such interesting ideas. I feel that all religions started off as simply an idea or philosophy, and that people who gave these ideas power because when they thought about them it seemed to help and, not having the intelligence to think objectively about these ideas, viewed the original thinkers as "prophets" and "holy people".
When you look at any religion solely for it's philosophies then nothing seems wrong. This could be because you are able to pick them apart and weed out the bullshit, or because you are then able to interpret everything within these thoughts in your own way. Both concepts can be a double edged sword, just look at all of the horrible things carried out in nearly every religion over the centuries.
I think the real issue lies not in "religion", but in the fact that people have mistaken "belief" for logic.
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#41161 - 07/31/10 02:43 PM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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TheInsane
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It's never a good idea to "follow" someone else's beliefs or philosophy. Either you naturally think like them or you don't. If you decide to change your ideals and live to be like them then you're denying who you really are and what you can accomplish.
I don’t know if this was directed towards me but Id like to clarify that I didn’t mean that I change my ideals every time I study a new philosopher. What I meant was that when I study a philosophy or a religion I try to act it like an actor plays a role. He is not the person he is acting to be, and he knows it, but to understand where the character is coming from he consciously goes into his body and for a moment becomes him (to whatever degree that is possible). But even so he knows who he is and he knows that the role he is playing is not him. That is not to say the role can not have an effect on you. Of course it can and sometimes it might change your view for real or bring forth a new aspect that you weren’t conscious about having before. Hope that made sense.
When you look at any religion solely for it's philosophies then nothing seems wrong. This could be because you are able to pick them apart and weed out the bullshit, or because you are then able to interpret everything within these thoughts in your own way.
I find that most philosophies make sense in theory if you accept their foundational view of the world. Many people likes to claim that "communism is good in theory but bad in practice". Of course it is and so is every other theory or religion or political view. If you believe the foundations of that faith of course their solutions are the best ones (be is communism, national socialism and liberalism in politics or Satanism, christianity and buddhism in religion). It doesnt however mean that their foundations are correct only that it makes sense within the given worldview.
However, we can’t judge philosophies on theory. What actually matters is how they work in practice. Theory means nothing if it can’t produce anything in the real world. But then again some religions claim their basis of truth can’t be explained or understood by humans so how are we to know if their religions dogmas are the most useful ones? And in politics people do not have the same ideals. And a society that is good for one may not be good for another. So it’s never just black or white.
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#41179 - 08/01/10 01:42 AM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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straif
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Philosophy is a horribly gray area. I think that the reason religions have taken off over individual thought and discussion of such thoughts is more human laziness, and the old adage "actions speak louder than words" which carries into respect for (or fear of) the strong.
With religion, you have had horribly violent zealots on all sides who will kill or torture someone simply because they don't share the same imaginary friend. If you see someone willing to kill you, you just might be inclined to agree with them. Which couples into pack mentality, person B see's that person A is strong and would make a good addition to their pack, so they decide it'd be best to team up with the strongest.
Whereas with philosophy people are usually much more open to discussion of different ideas for the sake of intellectual benefit and curiosity.
I feel that intelligence plays in to it on a massive level as well. Do you ever see articulate religious nuts addressing other articulate religious nuts, or do they usually address easily manipulated groups who are quick to fear anything different?
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#41354 - 08/03/10 02:44 AM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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straif
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I think there's more religion in american politics than philosophy and new ideas.
Sure pack mentality is human nature, but you don't see more intellectual people falling for the sensationalized... unless of course those people have some way to manipulate and gain from taking over control of that pack. Unfortunately with pack mentality though it is not the intelligent people who get followed, it's the strongest and usually most brutal.
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#41872 - 08/12/10 07:08 PM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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Knievel74
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It's never a good idea to "follow" someone else's beliefs or philosophy. Either you naturally think like them or you don't. If you decide to change your ideals and live to be like them then you're denying who you really are and what you can accomplish. I don’t know if this was directed towards me but Id like to clarify that I didn’t mean that I change my ideals every time I study a new philosopher. What I meant was that when I study a philosophy or a religion I try to act it like an actor plays a role. He is not the person he is acting to be, and he knows it, but to understand where the character is coming from he consciously goes into his body and for a moment becomes him (to whatever degree that is possible). But even so he knows who he is and he knows that the role he is playing is not him. That is not to say the role can not have an effect on you. Of course it can and sometimes it might change your view for real or bring forth a new aspect that you weren’t conscious about having before. Hope that made sense.
It wasn't aimed at you. It was just a general response to the topic. But you're approach to it is interesting. And I mean that in a good way.
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#47645 - 01/31/11 01:26 AM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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Meatl Gear
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In my opinion Lavey Satanism is radical libertarianism. It is not devil worship. It really can be described as self-worship. Now I am not opposed to some self-worship, but I don't take it as far as Lavey.
I think symbolic Satanism is different from Lavey Satanism. In symbolic Satanism, you don't believe the devil exists, but you believe that in the condition that the devil did exist, you would indeed worship the devil.
How many people think that way?
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#47660 - 01/31/11 06:33 AM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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Fabiano
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I surely not venerate or worship him. I even don't love him as I indeed don't know him.
However, considering his deeds and accomplishments, he has my respect.
Edited by Fabiano (01/31/11 06:34 AM)
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#47663 - 01/31/11 07:28 AM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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thedeadidea
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Lavey is more an influence then anything else and not in my personal top ten. Neitzsche is in my top three and I view Lavey as the man that carried forth an avenue for his philosophy to be readily applied to an occult, religious, philisophical and mythic synthesis which appeals to me on many levels.
In terms of Satanism and heros, I cant speak for others inherently. But the way I see it the way you admire people varies on a spectrum briefly illustrated and explained.
At one end :-
Human End... The type of hero which you admire for X,Y and Z trying to educate yourself on the reasoning for it, and let it inspire you as an aspiration of desire. A star to fix your Will to in personal ambition contextualised in the person, deed and your own state of affairs. But one would also be able to see faults if apparent and NOT exalt said hero or influence beyond the measure of other men thus keeping it a purely human phenomenon.
On the other end:-
Golden Cow End... We see people exalt heros as once a generation or once a century kind of fellow. With little appreciation for finer details often relying on admiring the person through culturally embosssed impressions then attention to detail. The heros work is unquestionably out of the realm of a potential for others to ever emulate.
I don't see this is philisophical just a measuring stick to save time. Take Newton I'd golden cow him in terms of his genius is once a generation or once a hundred years... But the guy was also as personable as a thumb tack in the ass.
So it's mix and match but I would like to think there is some middle ground where some human admiration is possible without it resulting in blind idol worship.
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#47668 - 01/31/11 08:38 AM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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Jake999
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Do I try to be like Anton LaVey? No. That would be pretty close to impossible, having known the man up close and personal, and my trying to act like LaVey would be a caricature, rather than some kind of living tribute.
I DO try to emulate him in his philosophies and personal mores, which I agreed with during our association and found that they work for me. And I would like to think that if he were alive today, he would be appreciative of the things that I have done with my life, and in remaining faithful to his vision and our core beliefs long, long after others have simply taken that easier path.
And I don't begrudge them that. In life, you do what works for you, as I have. What works for me definitely would be hard for others.
As for "golden cowing" LaVey... hell, I Norelcoed his head. I've seen him up close and personal, warts and all. The guy was a man... and a man's man, a gentleman and a Renaissance man. He enjoyed life and took from it what was good. He was adored by some and hated by others, as are all real men who take the time to actually live life.
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#47726 - 01/31/11 09:56 PM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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Lamar
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I think symbolic Satanism is different from Lavey Satanism. In symbolic Satanism, you don't believe the devil exists, but you believe that in the condition that the devil did exist, you would indeed worship the devil. How many people think that way?
But if a literal Satan did exist by the Christian definition, wouldn't he already be condemed to Hell? You would worship a deity that is destined to fail in the end?
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#47851 - 02/02/11 12:33 AM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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Meatl Gear
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I should add something. One way I disagree with Lavey is he seems to be a pleasure seeker.
I will be honest. I am a masochist. I enjoy my own pain and suffering.
Masochistic Satanism...
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#47854 - 02/02/11 01:23 AM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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Meatl Gear
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It's not the same thing. I seek accomplishment by withstanding self-abuse.
Can you please stop with the one liners. You have been a member since last 2009. You should honestly know better by now. Morgan
Edited by Morgan (02/02/11 06:37 AM)
Edit Reason: warning/information given
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#47978 - 02/03/11 03:22 PM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
[Re: Lamar]
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Meatl Gear
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I think symbolic Satanism is different from Lavey Satanism. In symbolic Satanism, you don't believe the devil exists, but you believe that in the condition that the devil did exist, you would indeed worship the devil. How many people think that way? But if a literal Satan did exist by the Christian definition, wouldn't he already be condemed to Hell? You would worship a deity that is destined to fail in the end?
I would rather live in hell, as a warrior, then live elsewhere as a slave. Hail satan!
If you talk to a Muslim, he/she will tell you that they believe in the bible, but the bible has been corrupted. If you talk to me, I'll say that people wrote the bible in a way that made Satan lose, but the game isn't over yet.
Edited by Meatl Gear (02/03/11 03:23 PM)
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#48058 - 02/04/11 05:22 PM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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Fabiano
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I think symbolic Satanism is different from Lavey Satanism. In symbolic Satanism, you don't believe the devil exists, but you believe that in the condition that the devil did exist, you would indeed worship the devil. How many people think that way? But if a literal Satan did exist by the Christian definition, wouldn't he already be condemed to Hell? You would worship a deity that is destined to fail in the end? I would rather live in hell, as a warrior, then live elsewhere as a slave. Hail satan! If you talk to a Muslim, he/she will tell you that they believe in the bible, but the bible has been corrupted. If you talk to me, I'll say that people wrote the bible in a way that made Satan lose, but the game isn't over yet.
Neither symbolic Satanism nor Laveyan Satanism exist. They're both chimeras in your mind.
BTW, Muslims believe in Allah and consider the Coran as their sacred text, it's not the same as believing in 200g of paper, even if named "The Bible". 
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#48069 - 02/04/11 07:20 PM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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Meatl Gear
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Though Muslims believe the Koran is the latest revelation, they believe the torah and gospels were previous revelations, but that the people corrupted them. Then the koran was sent down to correct the things that were ruined.
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#48106 - 02/05/11 12:00 PM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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nocTifer
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...I do not try to match {Anton LaVey} step for step philosophically. What do you do? ...
I survey the whole of religious and secular philosophy, evaluate what I like about it, how any portion might assist or influence my experience, and how it compares with my notions of the real. I haven't noticed that LaVey's ideas are any more important to me than those of L. Ron Hubbard or Aleister Crowley. I prefer the writings of Lao, Lieh, K'ung Fu, Nagarjuna; text evaluating the complexities such as by Fung Yu Lan or Wing-tsit Chang; and fun explorations by Plato (Apology), Descartes (Cogito), down to modern amusements in Carse (Games), Hofstadter (Recursion and Consciousness), Dennett (Identity and Consciousness), and Smullyan (Logic).
I see no others around me who resemble me, and find no reason to consider comparisons between me and religious of any style. My construction and application of philosophic principles knows no like, and the activation of my Satanism proceeds out of compassion rather than intellection (i.e. it is active and service-oriented, not orientational).
Edited by nocTifer (02/05/11 12:21 PM)
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#48203 - 02/06/11 10:27 AM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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StarlessAeon
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Do I try to be like him? To give a short answer:
No.
He was a mortal man with ideas like anyone else. I just happen to agree with a lot of his ideas. However, he is not infallible.
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#48283 - 02/07/11 02:31 AM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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myk5
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I like Anton Szandor LaVey's books, I'm in alignment with many of his ideas, but Anton's life is not one I consider successful enough for me see any virtue in modelling mine after his.
Wally Wood was an alcoholic and a failure, but I would sooner imitate him for his accomplishments as a cartoonist truly inspire me.
Edited by myk5 (02/07/11 02:31 AM)
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#48363 - 02/08/11 07:05 AM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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Seth_W
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why would you want to imitate anyone?
...why cant we be the one that people want to imitate?? ill expose to you a little secret, it is a possibility!
its all in the steps we take. most of us lack the will power to turn off the game or tv or internet and get our asses in gear though...were just regular people right? whatever the fuck that is.
when a man gives us his mind such as Anton LaVey we tend become that mind, we should take it and expand "our" own instead of overwriting it.
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#48764 - 02/12/11 09:05 PM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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TrollovGrimness
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Yeah I try to be like him. I don't try to look like him or act like him but so much of his body of writing was about his personal life, his keyboards, his lion, whatever you could go on listing personal references. I aspire to love things and have passionate ideas the way he did.
A large part of Satanism is being a Satanist. Which means really.. being a sycophant to what that is. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. Where you have to draw the line is that you don't have to like carnivals, or whatever else LaVey liked to admire him and his thoughts on the world and his past. I aspire to have the same enjoyment for things that he had.
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#48917 - 02/16/11 02:43 AM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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myk5
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I have been thinking over the contributions LaVey has made to me personally through his writing. And to Chaos magic, though i do understand many here could care less.
First, the notion of willful indulgence...but NEVER compulsion. This is a tremendous insight and actually constitutes a difficult discipline if accepted completely. I actually feel this concept prepared me to accept Zen, though of course my friend who is into Zen suggests I'm full of it and similarly I expect some Satanists will echo that sentiment. Still, my subjective sense of things is what it is.
The use of the Enochian keys in an atheistic context for ceremonial magic. This and as well the basic idea of 'intellectual decompression' were truly revolutionary. Sure the idea may have floated about before, but LaVey expressed it clearly and tested it.
The sexual archetype system LaVey expressed in The Satanic Witch, it stuck with me. I have not been able to fault it, I appreciate it for expressing the truth that all body types are someone else's preferred sexual archetype. But I must admit this seems more clear in the Gay community than the straight one. I'm not sure how useful the paradigm is for manipulation though.
If I were to follow LaVey's example, it would be the example put forth in his writing and not his personal life. But really I prefer the freedom to invent the path I mean to follow.
What I find to fault in the Satanic Bible is the constant juxtaposition with what LaVey considers Christian hypocrisy. It thereby honors Christianity with influence and power that now belongs to corporate controlled media.
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#48919 - 02/16/11 04:32 AM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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Dimitri
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One simple question: do you have a brain and if so, is it being used? I've now read a few of your responses and noted you are barely adding anything of value towards the subjects. The topic of Boyd Rice (not Byod Rice) is nothing more then fanboy cries and the use of various one-liner comments elsewhere on these boards.
You managed to contradict yourself in 2 sentences.
A person is born a satanist, its not something you conform too.
And the next sentence:
A person can decide to become a satanist, but its going to take the will to change, if you honestly want to become one.
Btw: do I need to explain the difference between its/it's and how to punctuate when referring to oneself?
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#48934 - 02/16/11 11:49 AM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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myk5
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Registered: 01/24/11
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Dmitri - makes me think of Lady Gaga's "born this way", where she intentionally did a touch of body modification for her Grammy performance of the song. Her point was that however you are born, the living of your life finding yourself is part of who you had been born to be.
It relates to the contradiction you assert.
I am thinking abstractly that any comment that serves no purpose but to complain about another's post - perhaps such comments are best reserved as private messages?
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#51798 - 03/27/11 06:41 AM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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SPEEDEMON
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Registered: 03/27/11
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Knieevel74 your first two sentences sum it up beautifly. I also think you did right by your freind by not giving him the book. People do alot of very rash things when the are distraught.
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#52004 - 03/31/11 09:01 PM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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RedAnthrax
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Registered: 03/31/11
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There is no Devil, and no God.
God and the Devil are symbols and representations of man's emotions. Good and Evil.
The best way to go about life is to not do things for completely good reasons, but no be corrupt either.
Every group thinks that they have it right.
But the best way to live life is to be good, but not a saint, and to be evil, but not a demon.
Don't go out of your way to mess with people, but if they mess with you. Shut them down.
Don't go out of your way to help people, but if you happen upon them along your life's journey, lend a hand. You never know who'll be useful later in life.
Those are just my opinions however.
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#52330 - 04/06/11 10:47 PM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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Hail Thyself
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Registered: 03/17/11
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"Are you a wannabe life coach or something RedAnthrax?"
He's a friend of mine that I told of Satanism, and is fairly new (to Satansim, and the forum), so he just tried to represent what he knew, but ended up spewing out some crap that was full of terms that are different and relative to the person (such as god, evil, etc.).
I agree that just about everything that he said could be interpreted differently by different people.
"The best way to go about life is to not do things for completely good reason, but no be corrupt either."
This just seems to me that he is trying to paint himself as evil, it seems to align with the desire for shock value that I see he wants; but I honestly believe that this forum is the last place he will get any of that.
As far as the original question on the thread, I do not try to live like anyone. If what I do ends up resembling someone else, that's fine, but I would never try to live like someone else. I am who I am and shall not change. Who would one be trying to impress? Random People? I couldn't care less if people that I didn't know perished, let alone care what they thought of my conduct.
And while I'm at it, I guess I'll take this small paragraph as an introduction paragraph--I'm Michael, and I'm 15. That's enough; I look forward to getting back into the forums.
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#52522 - 04/08/11 09:48 PM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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mightisright
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Registered: 04/08/11
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Sometimes I feel that I'm being too much like him. Really, not that I'm personally like him, but that I follow his philosophy just a bit to closely!
Again, one line posts are frowned upon here.... Morgan
Edited by Morgan (04/09/11 08:56 AM)
Edit Reason: warning/information
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#63219 - 01/01/12 12:34 AM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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Shea
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Registered: 03/24/11
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Loc: Chicago
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LaVey is a pivotal figure in the history of Satanism. Have I grown a goatee, shaved my head and begun wearing an inverted Pentagram in an attempt to achieve, or co-opt, his success? Nope.
I dig LaVey, but I am my own man. Striving to attain any idealistic principles one holds to be true or valuable is fulfilling enough without trying to live up to those of another.
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#63237 - 01/01/12 10:42 PM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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Michael A.Aquino
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Registered: 09/28/08
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It never occurred to me to try to imitate Anton personally, but I will share one bit of "history" here that may be both amusing and inspirational:
I grew up in a home whose rooms were all painted white. Just about every other home I visited also had its rooms painted white. So did offices, stores, etc. This was so universal and pervasive that I suppose I assumed it inevitable, like black rotary-dial telephones and while appliances.
Well, the first time I walked into 6114 California Street for a 1969 lecture event, I was struck not just by the decorations and curios, but by the room colors. There wasn't a white wall in the entire building. Indeed most of the rooms were called by their wall-colors, which were not pastel either, but in-your-face-rich: Purple Room, Red Room, Blue Room, etc. [See the Plates section of my Church of Satan for some photos.]
I can't tell you how much richer, warmer, and thoroughly gruntling this colored environment was. Suddenly going home to white walls was horrible, like living in a freezer or a morgue. Ever since then, when I could get away with it, I have had richly-colored walls in my homes.
This was a bit tougher in the Army, since on-post officer housing rules are very restrictive. But when I rented the little white house at 701 Bland Street, Brandenburg, KY and founded the Nineveh Grotto, I painted its attic completely black as the Ritual Chamber, and never looked back since. [Had to repaint it white when moving, and I bet subsequent renters/owners have wondered about scratching the attic walls and finding black underneath.]
If there is an underlying "moral" here, it is that Anton was a pioneer in living his idealized, fantasy existence and lifestyle, not conforming to society's standards and expectations. But he did this authentically, because it was his true being, not just to show off, advertise, or shock. Once you appreciate that he was a person who "lived his dreams", including in his surroundings, choice of friends, waking/sleeping hours, and etc., he'll be much more intelligible to you.
This is also why people who simply attempt to superficially imitate Anton's appearance or lifestyle just make fools of themselves. They're completely missing this central point.
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#63446 - 01/07/12 11:19 PM
Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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seekswisdom
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Registered: 01/04/12
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Loc: California,U.S.
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I belielve we should find our own path too. Dont follow just one guy,book,way,ect. As a Cappricorn, "missed the new year by one day" I strive for perfection, but have always been as courious as a cat. When I was a child I used to rute for the villan on the cartoons and have always loved fairs,carnivals,Halloween,and forbidden knowlegde;"you know the kind god does'nt want us to know".
My husband told me today that you can turn your back on a dog and the dog wont attack,but if you turn on a big cat "watch out". 
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