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#40531 - 07/20/10 01:28 AM Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him?
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I think Anton LaVey had a lot of good ideas, but I do not try to match him step for step philosophically. What do you do? I view Lavey the same way I view Plato or Socrates. A philosopher, but not some sort of model to which I must conform perfectly. How do you view him? As a guidebook on how to live life, or as a man who had some ideas you agree with, others you disagree with.
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#40532 - 07/20/10 01:36 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Meatl Gear]
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I see him as a man who had interesting ideas which influenced me just as other thinkers and writers have. Lavey was my first introduction to the "Left Hand Path" and one of the first persons to really cause me to question the status quo, without reading his work I would probably be a different person today. So in short you can say Lavey changed my life just as anyone else with ideas I find or worthwhile may do so, but I do not try to live as him. I think anyone who tries to make themselves a caricature of Lavey would be regarded as a faker. As the saying goes Satanist are born not made.
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#40538 - 07/20/10 03:34 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Meatl Gear]
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I am in agreement with Dr. LaVey, rather than being a follower of Dr. LaVey.

I donít really follow The Satanic Bible, nor the conclusions reached in the other works of LaVey. I read those works and found that LaVey and I shared a similar perspective on the world, or picture of reality and human nature, and as a result I adopted a name which I feel defines me.

I did not know Dr. LaVey, he lives for me through his works, and through the stories and works of others who knew him.

I have been very interested in trying to draw the deepest possible meaning I could from those works, and I have also been interested in looking at as many of the influences and sources for LaVeyís work as I could.

Satanistís arenít really followers I think, but they may carefully choose teachers or advisers to assist them on their way towards real self awareness and clarity. LaVey is the teacher, the adviser.

Dr. LaVey was a very powerful magician and one can end up just being under the Lesser Magical power and influence of the man, rather than being an independently minded student.

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#40548 - 07/20/10 03:14 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Meatl Gear]
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I'll add my voice to this sentiment. I think it's downright creepy when people find some figure and fawn over that figure to the point where they imitate them in every respect and try to embody every nuance of what they say. Always think for yourself. The most dangerous thing is that figures who tell others to think for themselves are likely to become "surrogate thinkers" for those who like such an idea. Think of Ayn Rand and the creeptastic Objectivist cult, or the Church of Satan and "Sycophants Unite!" sentiment. Ironically, telling other people to be independent thinkers is a very effective manner for an individual to get others to think just like them.
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#40560 - 07/20/10 05:09 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: XiaoGui17]
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I am like LaVey in the sense that I agree with his philosophical grounding, and resonate with his description of what it means to be a Satanist.

With that said, to parrot someone else and accept ideas on faith rather than research things myself and come to my own conclusions would be very much at odds with that description.

I know there are many CoS types that see LaVey as some sort of infallible black jesus and hold every last opinion he had on ANYTHING to be Satanic cannon, but I am not one of those. I do think he would have looked down on those sorts anyway
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#40570 - 07/20/10 07:32 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Dan_Dread]
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I am going to have to agree with Dan here. To be a Satanist is to be your own god, the master of your own universe; if you think that entails following someone else then you are missing the point.
There may be those whom you admire or would like to be like in certain ways but there is a line between admiration and imitation.
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#40584 - 07/20/10 11:03 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I would slap the shine off his head, he don't know shit about no real devils and lucifer.
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#40605 - 07/21/10 05:31 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Gods-6-elements]
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 Originally Posted By: Gods-6-elements
I would slap the shine off his head, he don't know shit about no real devils and lucifer.

The shine of his head.. didn't know LaVey gave light in the dark.

What makes you think there is a real devil?
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#40634 - 07/21/10 11:33 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Gods-6-elements]
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 Originally Posted By: Gods-6-elements
I would slap the shine off his head, he don't know shit about no real devils and lucifer.


Great application of English. In your other thread it was pointed out that you need to exercise an understanding of proper english here, whether it be a literature forum or not, as you made point of mentioning in your thread. Your wording here makes you seem sarcastic, even though it should be clear that you are not, still by reference of your thread.

Now, there is a common understanding here that there are no real devils, or a Luficer. You are free to express your opinions and ideas, but please do it in a more civilized and thoughtful manner.

Also, watch the one-liners.


Edited by Clicks (07/21/10 11:34 PM)
Edit Reason: Mention of one-liner.
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#40644 - 07/22/10 02:43 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Clicks]
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I think it's useful to take bits and pieces of all types of thinkers, regardless of what religious or political affiliation they may have as nearly everyone has at least one thought that can benefit you. Of course it's up to us to pick and choose who we decide to listen to, but to completely follow one person is to stifle your own creativity. To completely follow anyone but yourself is death, really.
The Dalai Lama once said "be the change you wish to see in the world". Be who you want to be, mold yourself into the being you want.
It's ok to use the tools of Lavey, Plato, Freud, Nietzsche, Tzu, etc. to create who you want to be. I think the issue is that a lot of people use the tools to re-create the thinker within themselves, and that is were they get stuck.

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#40651 - 07/22/10 04:27 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: straif]
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 Originally Posted By: straif
It's ok to use the tools of Lavey, Plato, Freud, Nietzsche, Tzu, etc. to create who you want to be. I think the issue is that a lot of people use the tools to re-create the thinker within themselves, and that is were they get stuck.


This is a very good point and also the reason why I generally shun all labels. Even if I may move pretty freely within whatever I label myself as I always end up feeling stuck somewhat. Sometimes in what I may try to be and sometimes in what others expect me to be.

My way of learning new things often involves a kind of faked support for whatever it is I read about. If I am studying Plato I try to be Plato and if I study anarchism I try to be an anarchist. Not in action necessarily but in though. Its a great method but sometimes I have to watch myself to not get stuck i previously traveled tracks and realize I have to find my own way. This all happens automatically for me - its the way I work.

In general I shun people who pick one philosopher or one book and try to justify their claim by quoting or referring to them. This to me is the first sign of close-mindedness. What impresses me is a broad knowledge and also signs that the subject in question has draw his or her own conclusions from the source material so it is not about just parroting someone else.

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#40653 - 07/22/10 05:29 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: TheInsane]
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Well put about drawing your own conclusions. I remember that when I first heard that Dalai Lama quote it was in class. The teacher wanted us to write about it, I wrote about how the world needs more people who are strong willed and say what they really feel and less people who advocate complete political correctness as this simply bring about weakening the general populous into complacency. I wrote about how it is ok to fix a wrong when someone has wronged you, and how this is the only true justice there is, when you look at the non-human world only the strong survive, by incorporating a "justice" system that does not work you harm the human's nature and since we can't "legally" do anything about it, you have more people who are unhappy with their lives, their jobs, which leads to compulsive behavior.
this teacher asked me to read the paper to the class as i was the only person who went off in a tangent in the complete opposite direction as everyone else.
Most students felt that since it was the Dalai Lama then he certainly meant something peaceful, while my general stance was to actually interpret rather than spew it back.

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#40670 - 07/22/10 10:36 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: straif]
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I think La vey was more about following ones own individuality rather than mimicking him, so in that way,I would be similar, but thats the point of Satanism, individuality over conformity.
In the late 60s and 70s communication was nothing like it was today so it was great to read a book(rather than a blog) where some one shared similar opposing ideas to the norm.It made you feel part of a community or a group. I think alot of people that call them Satanists don't even understand this very basic concept and try and emulate other senior Satanists and the message falls on deaf ears.
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#40727 - 07/23/10 10:06 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: straif]
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I remember a similar scenario. It must have been the first or second day of University for me several years back. I was studying religion and the very first thing we did was to have a discussion about "the core of religion". As usual, I sat silent and listened to what everyone had to say and the theories were many. Most common where the opinions that the actual core or religion was "God" or "love". And some tried to define these concepts as well.

And then after about an hour I decided to state my opinion after having listened to everyone. I basically said one sentence and it turned everything on its head. It might not be strange at a board like this but here it was. I said "who said there is a core at all?" or something along those lines.

My, then soon-to-be, professor smiled and said that this is what the lecture was all about - thinking outside of the box - and that I was the first one to do so. Everyone else that spoke their mind seemed bound by their own religious faith or the popular image of religion in general. SInce then I was the teachers pet because I never said what they expected me to say \:D

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#40870 - 07/26/10 06:51 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: TheInsane]
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It's never a good idea to "follow" someone else's beliefs or philosophy. Either you naturally think like them or you don't. If you decide to change your ideals and live to be like them then you're denying who you really are and what you can accomplish.

A friend of mine is going through some hard times, emotionally. He asked if I could lend him the Satanic Bible. He read it years ago and although he agrees with some of it's content, he doesn't naturally live his life as a Satanist. At first, I was going to lend him the book but then I had to change my mind when I realized that he would only use the book as a temporary bandage for his wounds. Since he's in such bad shape it might do him harm since he'll be reading it from an emotionally charged state. He might try to change the person he is and make things worse for himself.

Also, I know someone who's busy trying to "be" someone else. It's no coincidence that he's an alcoholic and pothead. He's so busy trying to escape from who he really is and have people perceive him as something he's not, he doesn't know how lost he truly is.

Instead of trying emulate someone else, you should accomplish so much for yourself and become so powerful in the world that other suckers..um..I mean people, will try to emulate you \:\)
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#40883 - 07/27/10 03:32 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: TheInsane]
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I think that the philosophies represented behind the very concepts of religion should be studied and looked into and not thrown to the way side. After all, somebody had to use intellect to create such interesting ideas. I feel that all religions started off as simply an idea or philosophy, and that people who gave these ideas power because when they thought about them it seemed to help and, not having the intelligence to think objectively about these ideas, viewed the original thinkers as "prophets" and "holy people".
When you look at any religion solely for it's philosophies then nothing seems wrong. This could be because you are able to pick them apart and weed out the bullshit, or because you are then able to interpret everything within these thoughts in your own way. Both concepts can be a double edged sword, just look at all of the horrible things carried out in nearly every religion over the centuries.
I think the real issue lies not in "religion", but in the fact that people have mistaken "belief" for logic.

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#41161 - 07/31/10 02:43 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Knievel74]
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 Originally Posted By: Knievel74
It's never a good idea to "follow" someone else's beliefs or philosophy. Either you naturally think like them or you don't. If you decide to change your ideals and live to be like them then you're denying who you really are and what you can accomplish.


I donít know if this was directed towards me but Id like to clarify that I didnít mean that I change my ideals every time I study a new philosopher. What I meant was that when I study a philosophy or a religion I try to act it like an actor plays a role. He is not the person he is acting to be, and he knows it, but to understand where the character is coming from he consciously goes into his body and for a moment becomes him (to whatever degree that is possible). But even so he knows who he is and he knows that the role he is playing is not him. That is not to say the role can not have an effect on you. Of course it can and sometimes it might change your view for real or bring forth a new aspect that you werenít conscious about having before. Hope that made sense.

 Originally Posted By: straif

When you look at any religion solely for it's philosophies then nothing seems wrong. This could be because you are able to pick them apart and weed out the bullshit, or because you are then able to interpret everything within these thoughts in your own way.


I find that most philosophies make sense in theory if you accept their foundational view of the world. Many people likes to claim that "communism is good in theory but bad in practice". Of course it is and so is every other theory or religion or political view. If you believe the foundations of that faith of course their solutions are the best ones (be is communism, national socialism and liberalism in politics or Satanism, christianity and buddhism in religion). It doesnt however mean that their foundations are correct only that it makes sense within the given worldview.

However, we canít judge philosophies on theory. What actually matters is how they work in practice. Theory means nothing if it canít produce anything in the real world. But then again some religions claim their basis of truth canít be explained or understood by humans so how are we to know if their religions dogmas are the most useful ones? And in politics people do not have the same ideals. And a society that is good for one may not be good for another. So itís never just black or white.

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#41179 - 08/01/10 01:42 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: TheInsane]
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Philosophy is a horribly gray area. I think that the reason religions have taken off over individual thought and discussion of such thoughts is more human laziness, and the old adage "actions speak louder than words" which carries into respect for (or fear of) the strong.
With religion, you have had horribly violent zealots on all sides who will kill or torture someone simply because they don't share the same imaginary friend. If you see someone willing to kill you, you just might be inclined to agree with them. Which couples into pack mentality, person B see's that person A is strong and would make a good addition to their pack, so they decide it'd be best to team up with the strongest.
Whereas with philosophy people are usually much more open to discussion of different ideas for the sake of intellectual benefit and curiosity.
I feel that intelligence plays in to it on a massive level as well. Do you ever see articulate religious nuts addressing other articulate religious nuts, or do they usually address easily manipulated groups who are quick to fear anything different?

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#41212 - 08/01/10 03:03 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: straif]
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Philosophy is a grey area but a lovely one at that according to me. The hard part is that religion and philosophy often are integrated, plays on eachother etc. To differ the two can be quite hard or even impossible at times. There is always philosophy in a religion (not saying all religious people are great thinkers though) but not always religion in philosophy.

And to be honest politics is one branch of philosophy (together with metaphysics and ethics for example) and even without religious belief in spiritual beings those philosophies have claimed many lives as well in the name of their particular philosophy.

And pack mentality is in human nature. If a strong leader cmes forth people will follow, some blindly and some with a more though through approach.

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#41354 - 08/03/10 02:44 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: TheInsane]
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I think there's more religion in american politics than philosophy and new ideas.

Sure pack mentality is human nature, but you don't see more intellectual people falling for the sensationalized... unless of course those people have some way to manipulate and gain from taking over control of that pack. Unfortunately with pack mentality though it is not the intelligent people who get followed, it's the strongest and usually most brutal.

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#41872 - 08/12/10 07:08 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: TheInsane]
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 Originally Posted By: TheInsane
 Originally Posted By: Knievel74
It's never a good idea to "follow" someone else's beliefs or philosophy. Either you naturally think like them or you don't. If you decide to change your ideals and live to be like them then you're denying who you really are and what you can accomplish.


I donít know if this was directed towards me but Id like to clarify that I didnít mean that I change my ideals every time I study a new philosopher. What I meant was that when I study a philosophy or a religion I try to act it like an actor plays a role. He is not the person he is acting to be, and he knows it, but to understand where the character is coming from he consciously goes into his body and for a moment becomes him (to whatever degree that is possible). But even so he knows who he is and he knows that the role he is playing is not him. That is not to say the role can not have an effect on you. Of course it can and sometimes it might change your view for real or bring forth a new aspect that you werenít conscious about having before. Hope that made sense.


It wasn't aimed at you. It was just a general response to the topic. But you're approach to it is interesting. And I mean that in a good way.
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#47645 - 01/31/11 01:26 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Knievel74]
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In my opinion Lavey Satanism is radical libertarianism. It is not devil worship. It really can be described as self-worship. Now I am not opposed to some self-worship, but I don't take it as far as Lavey.

I think symbolic Satanism is different from Lavey Satanism. In symbolic Satanism, you don't believe the devil exists, but you believe that in the condition that the devil did exist, you would indeed worship the devil.

How many people think that way?

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#47660 - 01/31/11 06:33 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Meatl Gear]
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I surely not venerate or worship him. I even don't love him as I indeed don't know him.

However, considering his deeds and accomplishments, he has my respect.


Edited by Fabiano (01/31/11 06:34 AM)

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#47663 - 01/31/11 07:28 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Fabiano]
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Lavey is more an influence then anything else and not in my personal top ten. Neitzsche is in my top three and I view Lavey as the man that carried forth an avenue for his philosophy to be readily applied to an occult, religious, philisophical and mythic synthesis which appeals to me on many levels.

In terms of Satanism and heros, I cant speak for others inherently. But the way I see it the way you admire people varies on a spectrum briefly illustrated and explained.

At one end :-

Human End... The type of hero which you admire for X,Y and Z trying to educate yourself on the reasoning for it, and let it inspire you as an aspiration of desire. A star to fix your Will to in personal ambition contextualised in the person, deed and your own state of affairs. But one would also be able to see faults if apparent and NOT exalt said hero or influence beyond the measure of other men thus keeping it a purely human phenomenon.

On the other end:-

Golden Cow End... We see people exalt heros as once a generation or once a century kind of fellow. With little appreciation for finer details often relying on admiring the person through culturally embosssed impressions then attention to detail. The heros work is unquestionably out of the realm of a potential for others to ever emulate.

I don't see this is philisophical just a measuring stick to save time. Take Newton I'd golden cow him in terms of his genius is once a generation or once a hundred years... But the guy was also as personable as a thumb tack in the ass.

So it's mix and match but I would like to think there is some middle ground where some human admiration is possible without it resulting in blind idol worship.

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#47668 - 01/31/11 08:38 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: thedeadidea]
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Do I try to be like Anton LaVey? No. That would be pretty close to impossible, having known the man up close and personal, and my trying to act like LaVey would be a caricature, rather than some kind of living tribute.

I DO try to emulate him in his philosophies and personal mores, which I agreed with during our association and found that they work for me. And I would like to think that if he were alive today, he would be appreciative of the things that I have done with my life, and in remaining faithful to his vision and our core beliefs long, long after others have simply taken that easier path.

And I don't begrudge them that. In life, you do what works for you, as I have. What works for me definitely would be hard for others.

As for "golden cowing" LaVey... hell, I Norelcoed his head. I've seen him up close and personal, warts and all. The guy was a man... and a man's man, a gentleman and a Renaissance man. He enjoyed life and took from it what was good. He was adored by some and hated by others, as are all real men who take the time to actually live life.
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#47721 - 01/31/11 09:04 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Jake999]
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Do I try to be like LaVey? No, unlike Jake here,I never met the man. Do I emulate his philosophy? No..He described mine.

I see a man that described and crystallized a current that was ALREADY there, and a certain type of individual that had before gone nameless. For this, and it's use to me, I respect both his philosophy and his memory.
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#47726 - 01/31/11 09:56 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Meatl Gear]
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 Originally Posted By: Meatl Gear

I think symbolic Satanism is different from Lavey Satanism. In symbolic Satanism, you don't believe the devil exists, but you believe that in the condition that the devil did exist, you would indeed worship the devil.

How many people think that way?

But if a literal Satan did exist by the Christian definition, wouldn't he already be condemed to Hell? You would worship a deity that is destined to fail in the end?

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#47851 - 02/02/11 12:33 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Lamar]
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I should add something. One way I disagree with Lavey is he seems to be a pleasure seeker.

I will be honest. I am a masochist. I enjoy my own pain and suffering.

Masochistic Satanism...

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#47853 - 02/02/11 12:41 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Meatl Gear]
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Look... if you're going to try to make a point, at least make one that makes a little sense. You disagree with LaVey because he was a pleasure seeker... but you seek pleasure in your own pain an suffering. This is not only oxymoronic, but stupidly contradicting.

Really, step up your game.
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#47854 - 02/02/11 01:23 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Jake999]
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It's not the same thing. I seek accomplishment by withstanding self-abuse.



Can you please stop with the one liners. You have been a member since last 2009. You should honestly know better by now. Morgan


Edited by Morgan (02/02/11 06:37 AM)
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#47856 - 02/02/11 02:14 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Meatl Gear]
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Go far, far away.

Yeah. It's a one liner. Sue me.
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#47978 - 02/03/11 03:22 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Lamar]
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 Originally Posted By: Lamar
 Originally Posted By: Meatl Gear

I think symbolic Satanism is different from Lavey Satanism. In symbolic Satanism, you don't believe the devil exists, but you believe that in the condition that the devil did exist, you would indeed worship the devil.

How many people think that way?

But if a literal Satan did exist by the Christian definition, wouldn't he already be condemed to Hell? You would worship a deity that is destined to fail in the end?

I would rather live in hell, as a warrior, then live elsewhere as a slave. Hail satan!

If you talk to a Muslim, he/she will tell you that they believe in the bible, but the bible has been corrupted. If you talk to me, I'll say that people wrote the bible in a way that made Satan lose, but the game isn't over yet.


Edited by Meatl Gear (02/03/11 03:23 PM)

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#48058 - 02/04/11 05:22 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Meatl Gear]
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 Originally Posted By: Meatl Gear
 Originally Posted By: Lamar
 Originally Posted By: Meatl Gear

I think symbolic Satanism is different from Lavey Satanism. In symbolic Satanism, you don't believe the devil exists, but you believe that in the condition that the devil did exist, you would indeed worship the devil.

How many people think that way?

But if a literal Satan did exist by the Christian definition, wouldn't he already be condemed to Hell? You would worship a deity that is destined to fail in the end?

I would rather live in hell, as a warrior, then live elsewhere as a slave. Hail satan!

If you talk to a Muslim, he/she will tell you that they believe in the bible, but the bible has been corrupted. If you talk to me, I'll say that people wrote the bible in a way that made Satan lose, but the game isn't over yet.


Neither symbolic Satanism nor Laveyan Satanism exist. They're both chimeras in your mind.

BTW, Muslims believe in Allah and consider the Coran as their sacred text, it's not the same as believing in 200g of paper, even if named "The Bible". ;\)

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#48069 - 02/04/11 07:20 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Fabiano]
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Though Muslims believe the Koran is the latest revelation, they believe the torah and gospels were previous revelations, but that the people corrupted them. Then the koran was sent down to correct the things that were ruined.
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#48106 - 02/05/11 12:00 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Meatl Gear]
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 Originally Posted By: Meatl Gear
...I do not try to match {Anton LaVey} step for step philosophically. What do you do? ...

I survey the whole of religious and secular philosophy, evaluate what I like about it, how any portion might assist or influence my experience, and how it compares with my notions of the real. I haven't noticed that LaVey's ideas are any more important to me than those of L. Ron Hubbard or Aleister Crowley. I prefer the writings of Lao, Lieh, K'ung Fu, Nagarjuna; text evaluating the complexities such as by Fung Yu Lan or Wing-tsit Chang; and fun explorations by Plato (Apology), Descartes (Cogito), down to modern amusements in Carse (Games), Hofstadter (Recursion and Consciousness), Dennett (Identity and Consciousness), and Smullyan (Logic).

I see no others around me who resemble me, and find no reason to consider comparisons between me and religious of any style. My construction and application of philosophic principles knows no like, and the activation of my Satanism proceeds out of compassion rather than intellection (i.e. it is active and service-oriented, not orientational).


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#48172 - 02/06/11 01:40 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Knievel74]
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I don't try to be like anybody. I am who I am, rather effortlessly :). Anton LaVey was an interesting man, devious and clever to have acquired such a following when his philosophy was about individual will and freedom. I can agree with his philosophy or disagree, but appreciate him for what he accomplished and the fun he had doing it.
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#48189 - 02/06/11 07:55 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Tallulah]
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although i respect the man and his introduction of Satanism in such an entertaining way I do not go out of my way try to emulate him. although my thoughts are mere theory i would imagine he himself would want others to be who they are naturally and freely rather than copy him in any manner that was forced or remotely idol worship. no matter how corpreal or completely existential your satanic beliefs are i am quite sure we all agree on the most epic and widely known epitaph of "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the Law." following in his footsteps via education or personal taste is one thing but copying the man to a zealous point would indeed defeat this verse entirely and in so doing defeat the mainstay of Satanism itself.
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#48203 - 02/06/11 10:27 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Meatl Gear]
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Do I try to be like him? To give a short answer:

No.

He was a mortal man with ideas like anyone else. I just happen to agree with a lot of his ideas. However, he is not infallible.

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#48283 - 02/07/11 02:31 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Meatl Gear]
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I like Anton Szandor LaVey's books, I'm in alignment with many of his ideas, but Anton's life is not one I consider successful enough for me see any virtue in modelling mine after his.

Wally Wood was an alcoholic and a failure, but I would sooner imitate him for his accomplishments as a cartoonist truly inspire me.


Edited by myk5 (02/07/11 02:31 AM)

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#48363 - 02/08/11 07:05 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: myk5]
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why would you want to imitate anyone?


...why cant we be the one that people want to imitate?? ill expose to you a little secret, it is a possibility!
its all in the steps we take. most of us lack the will power to turn off the game or tv or internet and get our asses in gear though...were just regular people right? whatever the fuck that is.


when a man gives us his mind such as Anton LaVey we tend become that mind, we should take it and expand "our" own instead of overwriting it.

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#48764 - 02/12/11 09:05 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Seth_W]
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Yeah I try to be like him. I don't try to look like him or act like him but so much of his body of writing was about his personal life, his keyboards, his lion, whatever you could go on listing personal references. I aspire to love things and have passionate ideas the way he did.

A large part of Satanism is being a Satanist. Which means really.. being a sycophant to what that is. I don't think there is anything wrong with that. Where you have to draw the line is that you don't have to like carnivals, or whatever else LaVey liked to admire him and his thoughts on the world and his past. I aspire to have the same enjoyment for things that he had.
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#48896 - 02/15/11 11:23 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Meatl Gear]
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I think Anton LaVey did have some good ideas but I don't think trying to be like him would be very satanic. What defines a satanist is your views on the Satanic Bible. If you find yourself in agreeance (im making it a word) with it you are a satanist. A person is born a satanist, its not something you conform too. A person can decide to become a satanist, but its going to take the will to change, if you honestly want to become one. I think Satanism promotes individuality. To be satanic is to be yourself.
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#48917 - 02/16/11 02:43 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: GeorgeDeadson]
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I have been thinking over the contributions LaVey has made to me personally through his writing. And to Chaos magic, though i do understand many here could care less.

First, the notion of willful indulgence...but NEVER compulsion. This is a tremendous insight and actually constitutes a difficult discipline if accepted completely. I actually feel this concept prepared me to accept Zen, though of course my friend who is into Zen suggests I'm full of it and similarly I expect some Satanists will echo that sentiment. Still, my subjective sense of things is what it is.

The use of the Enochian keys in an atheistic context for ceremonial magic. This and as well the basic idea of 'intellectual decompression' were truly revolutionary. Sure the idea may have floated about before, but LaVey expressed it clearly and tested it.

The sexual archetype system LaVey expressed in The Satanic Witch, it stuck with me. I have not been able to fault it, I appreciate it for expressing the truth that all body types are someone else's preferred sexual archetype. But I must admit this seems more clear in the Gay community than the straight one. I'm not sure how useful the paradigm is for manipulation though.

If I were to follow LaVey's example, it would be the example put forth in his writing and not his personal life. But really I prefer the freedom to invent the path I mean to follow.

What I find to fault in the Satanic Bible is the constant juxtaposition with what LaVey considers Christian hypocrisy. It thereby honors Christianity with influence and power that now belongs to corporate controlled media.

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#48919 - 02/16/11 04:32 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: GeorgeDeadson]
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One simple question: do you have a brain and if so, is it being used? I've now read a few of your responses and noted you are barely adding anything of value towards the subjects. The topic of Boyd Rice (not Byod Rice) is nothing more then fanboy cries and the use of various one-liner comments elsewhere on these boards.

You managed to contradict yourself in 2 sentences.
 Originally Posted By: GeorgeDeadson
A person is born a satanist, its not something you conform too.

And the next sentence:
 Originally Posted By: GeorgeDeadson
A person can decide to become a satanist, but its going to take the will to change, if you honestly want to become one.


Btw: do I need to explain the difference between its/it's and how to punctuate when referring to oneself?
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#48934 - 02/16/11 11:49 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Dimitri]
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Dmitri - makes me think of Lady Gaga's "born this way", where she intentionally did a touch of body modification for her Grammy performance of the song. Her point was that however you are born, the living of your life finding yourself is part of who you had been born to be.

It relates to the contradiction you assert.

I am thinking abstractly that any comment that serves no purpose but to complain about another's post - perhaps such comments are best reserved as private messages?

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#48969 - 02/16/11 06:38 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: myk5]
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"I am thinking abstractly that any comment that serves no purpose but to complain about another's post - perhaps such comments are best reserved as private messages?"

Some people don't understand no matter how many times you tell them. This forum isn't nice, if you make stupid posts and can't back up your opinions you will be called on it. Sometimes people need public humiliation to help to make them think about the bullshit they write.

Plus the irony is in this post you did exactly the same thing you dislike, as well as pad your post with bullshit to make it more than one line.

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#51798 - 03/27/11 06:41 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Knievel74]
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Knieevel74 your first two sentences sum it up beautifly. I also think you did right by your freind by not giving him the book. People do alot of very rash things when the are distraught.
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#52004 - 03/31/11 09:01 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: SPEEDEMON]
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There is no Devil, and no God.
God and the Devil are symbols and representations of man's emotions. Good and Evil.
The best way to go about life is to not do things for completely good reasons, but no be corrupt either.
Every group thinks that they have it right.
But the best way to live life is to be good, but not a saint, and to be evil, but not a demon.
Don't go out of your way to mess with people, but if they mess with you. Shut them down.
Don't go out of your way to help people, but if you happen upon them along your life's journey, lend a hand. You never know who'll be useful later in life.
Those are just my opinions however.

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#52186 - 04/04/11 03:01 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: RedAnthrax]
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Are you a wannabe life coach or something RedAnthrax?

 Quote:
The best way to go about life is to not do things for completely good reasons, but no be corrupt either.


What if someone has an excellent reason to do something that most others would consider 'good'? S/he shouldn't do it because it might be too 'good'? Do you personally base your own decisions on whether your motives might be construed as good or bad? What's wrong with being 'corrupt'? Corrupt by whose standards? Plenty of people would call me corrupt.

Also, there is no Devil? No God? Again, by whose standards?

Your statements are way too broad to be of much value.

Man, I better get back to work, everyone's pissing me off today \:\)
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#52330 - 04/06/11 10:47 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Fnord]
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"Are you a wannabe life coach or something RedAnthrax?"
He's a friend of mine that I told of Satanism, and is fairly new (to Satansim, and the forum), so he just tried to represent what he knew, but ended up spewing out some crap that was full of terms that are different and relative to the person (such as god, evil, etc.).

I agree that just about everything that he said could be interpreted differently by different people.

"The best way to go about life is to not do things for completely good reason, but no be corrupt either."
This just seems to me that he is trying to paint himself as evil, it seems to align with the desire for shock value that I see he wants; but I honestly believe that this forum is the last place he will get any of that.

As far as the original question on the thread, I do not try to live like anyone. If what I do ends up resembling someone else, that's fine, but I would never try to live like someone else. I am who I am and shall not change. Who would one be trying to impress? Random People? I couldn't care less if people that I didn't know perished, let alone care what they thought of my conduct.

And while I'm at it, I guess I'll take this small paragraph as an introduction paragraph--I'm Michael, and I'm 15. That's enough; I look forward to getting back into the forums.
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#52522 - 04/08/11 09:48 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Meatl Gear]
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Sometimes I feel that I'm being too much like him. Really, not that I'm personally like him, but that I follow his philosophy just a bit to closely!




Again, one line posts are frowned upon here.... Morgan


Edited by Morgan (04/09/11 08:56 AM)
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#61185 - 11/06/11 10:55 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Meatl Gear]
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I most certainly agree Dr LaVey is an important historical philosopher and his teachings were introduced to the masses at a very timing sensitive need to earth. For that we can never truly repay him for.
As far as living like him, I can honestly say from my years of studying his literature and practicing spirituality that coincides with his teaching that he honestly would prefer if you live your own life to the best of your abilities and however is appropriate for you to make the most of yourself. He did not have in mind for a bunch of mini-mes to mimic him.
Sure he would love for you to agree with him, afterall what philosopher does not have that aim in producing literature on their beliefs? But that does not mean he robbed people of individuality. Instead he offered a replacement and solution to conformity.
Perhaps cases of abuse of authority have been cited by person claiming to represent Dr LaVey and/or the CoS, but I see nothing wrong with standing up for the staple of LaVeyan Satanism that has and still can be used for wonderful purposes. But to each his own, solve your Rubiks Cube at your own pace is the word I would give to anyone discovering their niche or their forte. Some take decades of their lives to realize their ultimate purpose- and purpose is something Dr LaVey was all about.
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#62980 - 12/26/11 11:28 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Knievel74]
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I think that Anton LaVey has a very powerful impact in my philosophy, but I do not try to be like anybody, living as someone else is a waste of your life.
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#63219 - 01/01/12 12:34 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: JaggedJesus]
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LaVey is a pivotal figure in the history of Satanism. Have I grown a goatee, shaved my head and begun wearing an inverted Pentagram in an attempt to achieve, or co-opt, his success? Nope.
I dig LaVey, but I am my own man. Striving to attain any idealistic principles one holds to be true or valuable is fulfilling enough without trying to live up to those of another.

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#63237 - 01/01/12 10:42 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Meatl Gear]
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It never occurred to me to try to imitate Anton personally, but I will share one bit of "history" here that may be both amusing and inspirational:

I grew up in a home whose rooms were all painted white. Just about every other home I visited also had its rooms painted white. So did offices, stores, etc. This was so universal and pervasive that I suppose I assumed it inevitable, like black rotary-dial telephones and while appliances.

Well, the first time I walked into 6114 California Street for a 1969 lecture event, I was struck not just by the decorations and curios, but by the room colors. There wasn't a white wall in the entire building. Indeed most of the rooms were called by their wall-colors, which were not pastel either, but in-your-face-rich: Purple Room, Red Room, Blue Room, etc. [See the Plates section of my Church of Satan for some photos.]

I can't tell you how much richer, warmer, and thoroughly gruntling this colored environment was. Suddenly going home to white walls was horrible, like living in a freezer or a morgue. Ever since then, when I could get away with it, I have had richly-colored walls in my homes.

This was a bit tougher in the Army, since on-post officer housing rules are very restrictive. But when I rented the little white house at 701 Bland Street, Brandenburg, KY and founded the Nineveh Grotto, I painted its attic completely black as the Ritual Chamber, and never looked back since. [Had to repaint it white when moving, and I bet subsequent renters/owners have wondered about scratching the attic walls and finding black underneath.]

If there is an underlying "moral" here, it is that Anton was a pioneer in living his idealized, fantasy existence and lifestyle, not conforming to society's standards and expectations. But he did this authentically, because it was his true being, not just to show off, advertise, or shock. Once you appreciate that he was a person who "lived his dreams", including in his surroundings, choice of friends, waking/sleeping hours, and etc., he'll be much more intelligible to you.

This is also why people who simply attempt to superficially imitate Anton's appearance or lifestyle just make fools of themselves. They're completely missing this central point.


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#63238 - 01/01/12 10:53 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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I get a 404 error on that page. I've no desire to be anyone but me; however, now that I've read your post, I find myself wanting colored walls! In my case, it may end up being tapestries of some sort.


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#63369 - 01/06/12 06:33 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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Isn't a true Satanist supposed to be about Satan and not LaVey? That was my immpression why you left the CoS, because he chose filthy lucre over Satan.It's like you have a personal relationship with Satan and it broke your heart when LaVey didnt want to grow closer to Satan anymore.

The colored walls have a great mind calming sense about them, I have blue in the bathroom because it has a calming and peacefull effect.What's your favorite color for the bedroom?

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#63370 - 01/06/12 07:10 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: seekswisdom]
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Copying anyone is anathema to me but certain people have influenced me to be confident in carving out my own path and Dr LaVey is one of those.
As a typical Aries with a passion for fairgrounds, antiques, big cats, occultism and automata I bet we'd have had some memorable conversations over the claret!
N.B. All of the above were dear to me waaaaaay before I even heard of Dr LaVey, so I guess we're a little alike due to Nature's games. \:\)
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#63446 - 01/07/12 11:19 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: felixgarnet]
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I belielve we should find our own path too. Dont follow just one guy,book,way,ect. As a Cappricorn, "missed the new year by one day" I strive for perfection, but have always been as courious as a cat. When I was a child I used to rute for the villan on the cartoons and have always loved fairs,carnivals,Halloween,and forbidden knowlegde;"you know the kind god does'nt want us to know".

My husband told me today that you can turn your back on a dog and the dog wont attack,but if you turn on a big cat "watch out".

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#63451 - 01/08/12 12:30 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: seekswisdom]
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Forgive me if my sentiments are a reiteration of others on this thread . I did not take the time to read the entire thing.

I got mad respect for LaVey. So this is no shame on him post. What I see ,especially in the Church of Satan is a lot of LaVey worship going on . Many people worship the man and fail to live or even see the Satanism. Most of these people will trade in the identity of Satanist for something else eventually. Like changing outta a trendy shirt they thought was cool at hot topic a year ago.

LaVey was the door man of modern Satanism. And I do not mean that in a derogatory manner. He was the one who opened the door for many of us to walk through. I seriously doubt he ever wanted people to imitate him. Or idolize him . I believe he wanted people to truly be individuals and use the foundations of Satanism to empower and improve their own lives.

I bet LaVey is turning in his grave at the state of Satanism today .
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#64883 - 02/25/12 03:05 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Meatl Gear]
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I don't try to be like him, I just read his writings, and either agree or disagree with things that he says. Since I already agree with him on the large majority of topics, when I read something he wrote that doesn't sound right to me, I think about it a little more to see if it could be right and I just hadn't thought about it that way, but if I still don't agree, then I don't agree. I'm a lot like him philosophically, though there are plenty of things I disagree with him on. And I don't try to imitate him in life (though I wouldn't mind getting a lion like he had... or, like Lord Byron, a bear).
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#65607 - 03/21/12 12:17 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: XiaoGui17]
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I agree with you to a certain extent... Most Individualist like anton la vey/ nietzsche/ hume/ crowley.... and others have been influenzed by others to a certain point... however they may think alike or agree about certain issues they may differ on others. So if someone was trying to get some information or thought or simply just intake on something for instance; and that person's response is "think independently" or "in my opinion" how is that an effective manner of getting people to be or think just like them? im just wonddering \:\)
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#65731 - 03/27/12 02:28 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: diamondkrb]
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Satanism is based on discovering one's own ideas, not copying someone else's. The way a satanist lives his or her life is up to them and no one else because they are the one's accountable for their actions. That being said, I am fascinated by Anton and his writing, ideas, and thoughts. He is a wolf in sheep's clothing.
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#66937 - 05/23/12 11:08 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Miss May]
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This is a very true statement.

Personally, I give Lavey credit and respect for his philosophies.
While I agree with a good bit of it, I do not think man has a need for religion, ritual or dogma.

To me, a Satanist is the epitome of a survivalist, one who dominates and cares for their self, one that bows to no idol, god or being. Being a Satanist means getting back to that animalistic core within us, our instinct to thrive,to defy and destroy those who are obstacles in our way, embracing our beast and forging our own path, our own life, with our own hands.


That is my opinion though.
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#66943 - 05/23/12 11:36 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: MCMLXXXVI]
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 Originally Posted By: MCMLXXXVI
Personally, I give Lavey credit and respect for his philosophies.
While I agree with a good bit of it, I do not think man has a need for religion, ritual or dogma.


This assertion would seem to contradict many thousands of years of recorded human history. Iím aware of no significant, major society that did not include some form of religion, ritual, or dogma. There may be individuals, or small groups within any given society who do not observe, or need these structures, but I believe LaVey deserves some measure of credit for pointing out again (within the context of Satanism), most people/cultures naturally make, or latch onto something resembling a formal belief system or sociopolitical ideology.

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#66992 - 05/24/12 03:23 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Tesseract]
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 Originally Posted By: Tesseract
Iím aware of no major society that did not include some form of religion, ritual, or dogma.


I side with your opinion on this issue. With all due respect to Nietzche and his flamboyant plagiarizing poster boy LaVey, God is alive and well. In my illustrious opinion dogma is merely a product of the human condition; Most folks aren't capable of going through life and death without the safety net of hope, however concocted.

Intellect and courage can fall on their knees with sickness and old age. Sooner or later many succumb to despair and fall victim to false hope.


Edited by arjunasAscent (05/24/12 03:27 PM)
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#67012 - 05/24/12 11:09 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Tesseract]
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 Originally Posted By: Tesseract
 Originally Posted By: MCMLXXXVI
Personally, I give Lavey credit and respect for his philosophies.
While I agree with a good bit of it, I do not think man has a need for religion, ritual or dogma.


This assertion would seem to contradict many thousands of years of recorded human history. Iím aware of no significant, major society that did not include some form of religion, ritual, or dogma. There may be individuals, or small groups within any given society who do not observe, or need these structures, but I believe LaVey deserves some measure of credit for pointing out again (within the context of Satanism), most people/cultures naturally make, or latch onto something resembling a formal belief system or sociopolitical ideology.


I was stating my own opinion there. But you are correct, there is so much evidence that humans incorporate religion into their lives, even from the early cavemen.

I personally am not religious, which is why I made the statement in the first place.
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#70667 - 09/07/12 08:52 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: MCMLXXXVI]
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Anton LaVey would have found the idea of people being like him absurd. I definitely respect both his philosophy and what he (and the early CoS members) had to endure. I have areas of agreement and disagreement with him. I suspect he may have found this preferable in his personal dealings with people. He saw himself as the first person one should question (to paraphrase).
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#70670 - 09/07/12 01:06 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Le Deluge]
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Yes, I want to be like LaVey but I can not, because in order to be like him I must have powers, luck and inspiration to create a new movement and to maintain it.
So I wish I could be a quasiLaVey in my own inner world.
I really feel what he is trying to say in his books and I admire his sense of humor, nobody can beat his on this. "shemhameforash"! LOL
His grandma was believed to be from Ukraine. Meybe we are blood related in some generation, who knows...
But fuck Lavey! I am into Michale Ford lately. Michael Ford kicks ass.


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#70678 - 09/08/12 01:52 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Meatl Gear]
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I do not necessarily view LaVey as a guidebook on how to live life. However, I do view him as a very knowledgeable Teacher whose philosophies shined light on many things and brought greater understanding as well. I do not try to match him step for step philosophically, for to do so would be absolutely asinine. I concur with his beliefs on Satanism and definition of a Satanist. I have read all his books and extracted the wisdom from each one. Having said that, no one knew the nature of man and his underlying motivations like LaVey did and the more I live, the more I can appreciate the words he said and see the truth in them. Each Satanist is His or Her own master/God, but you can obviously have different teachers, mentors etc, which you can draw information and knowledge from to improve your life.
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#70764 - 09/11/12 11:07 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Meatl Gear]
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I am glad to answer this \:\)
It's a good question
My answer is no, I don't try to be like him. Anton LaVey was a great thinker... the greatest of the past century I guess.
But he was, now I am
I don't want to be like him or to be like nobody. I am who I am and I'm very happy being me
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#82005 - 11/06/13 07:11 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Ignotum]
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I use his knowledge in daily life.
But I do not walk in his footsteps,nor trying to be like him.
And by the way I don't think that was his intention anyway.
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#82522 - 11/20/13 09:18 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Knievel74]
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I see Anton LaVey as both a great philosopher and a role model because of his way of life and due to the fact that I am laveyan
The main rules that are stated on the sight and the passages are a great use to get through day to day problems and solving troubles.

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#82684 - 11/27/13 06:52 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: ]
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LaVey is a great philosopher and of course I'm influenced by him. But I do not try to be like him or be like anyone I've read about. I have my own mind and I form my own opinions and not try to be like anyone else.
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#83593 - 12/23/13 09:19 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: myk5]
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For me Dr Lavey is an influence along with people such as Aquino, Webb, Freydis, Wilson and several others. He gives me tools that I can put in my bag to use in life.
I chose to be me, I think the problem with Gilmore is that he tries to be like Lavey therefore he comes off as the terrible sequel to the original.

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#83594 - 12/23/13 10:44 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: BaronVonShankly]
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I wouldn't go so far as to say Gilmore tries to be like LaVey, I think Gilmore has his own ideas in regards to how it all should be run (and who is anyone to say how right or wrong they are without actually knowing what's what - we just guess, speculate, and probably playa' hate from the outside looking in). I see Gilmore as more cerebral and assuaging - diplomatic. There's an organization to protect... or at least his own self interests. Either way is completely understandable. The public face of pragmatism. Ellsworth Toohey was actually kinda bright too - if you get the reference ;\) I've got no opinion on the guy either which way, except "if it works, go with it"

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#83636 - 12/27/13 01:36 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: antikarmatomic]
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Oh. My. God. Someone's been uncovering Satanists being fond of the founder of Satanism.

Seriously having a model to emulate is a fundamental part of learning anything new from speaking foreign languages to writing PhD dissertations.

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#83637 - 12/27/13 01:49 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Kemble]
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So, unless I am mistaken (and I might be by no fault of my own), he is sorta of a father-figure to you?

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#85186 - 02/20/14 10:20 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Meatl Gear]
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No, I wonít ever allow myself to be programmed by others. A lot of attention seekers imitate this quality and simply disagree with everything all the time. Itís ridiculous. Dr. LaVeyís legacy is something I embrace and build upon completely, itís just who I am. Still, I owe him a lot on account of valuable (lycanthropic) experimentations.
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#85225 - 02/21/14 02:38 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Meatl Gear]
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Mr. LaVey's writings resonate with me deeply, and discovering Satanism four years ago was a real "ah-ha" moment. Satanism fleshed out and clearly synthesized principles that I had already been living by for a decade. So you could say that in respect to philosophy and principles, I do seek to "emulate" Mr. LaVey. At the end of all things I sincerely expect to claim a life well-lived, full and rich with indulgences that really MEANT something to me and mine. But I do not seek to emulate Mr. LaVey's style (clothing, haircut). I would actually find it disrespectful of the man's life AND his philosophy to copy his image. I never knew the man, but I like to think it's how he intended it to be. In The Satanic Witch he was very clear that when it comes to image it's best to work with what you were given rather than attempt to be something you're not. So I'll keep the same mustache and goatee I've had since high school, my cow lick hair, and my "wholesome" appearance; out of respect and admiration for both his life and works, and my own.
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#88099 - 05/29/14 02:22 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Meatl Gear]
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I try to be unlike LaVey as he stands up for most of what I find superfluous and childish. I recall reading or perhaps for better usage of words 'tried to read' the Satanic Bible and it just astonished me. I was astonished that mediocrity is accepted as intuitive and innovative. Maybe it is because I am a theistic Satanist who dislikes game or maybe it is because I have little time for needless actions. I have no fondness for LaVey yet alone imitating him.
A side note I may add. I found the Satanic Bible to be like the Book of Mormon and LaVey's gaudy antics to be the LHP equivalent of Joseph Smith's supposed behaviour.
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#88156 - 05/30/14 01:36 AM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Meatl Gear]
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Do I try to be like Anton Szandor Lavey?

No.

Do I feel that we may have a few things in common?

Yes.

I feel that Dr. Lavey does communicate directly with us by his written words, but this is also the same kind of immortality that is achieved by other influential writers, artists, and those who made their mark while they were alive.

Also, once you have an interactive connection with someone, such as applying the Satanic philosophy, even though they may not physically be here, they do live inside your mind if that makes any sense.

It would be the same thing if I were to engage in a conversation with someone here, and make a point that influenced them and later they found themself thinking, 'oh, right, remember what LoneWolf78 said' and then act in accordance with that, have I not lived on?

Having said all of that, I would say that by controlled imitation such as assuming an others personality in ritual, that you can lock into their thought pattern, this has been my experience.

Also, thank you for the insight Dr. Aquino. You make a very valid point. Dr. Lavey's teaching for me was absolutely being myself, not anyone else.

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#88190 - 05/30/14 12:24 PM Re: Anton Lavey - Do you try to be like him? [Re: Meatl Gear]
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 Originally Posted By: Meatl Gear
I think Anton Lavey had a lot of good ideas, but I do not try to match him step for step philosophically. What do you do?


I'm not big on "following" or "joining". I find that some of my ideas coincide with Mr. LaVey's, a lot don't. This is pretty much the way it is with any philosopher, mystic or other. I'm very difficult to put in a box, particularly since much of my personal philosophy was minted before I read or even heard of a lot of these people. On any given subject, I may seem like a devoted follower of s given system, but on a different subject, I will seem the antithesis of an adherent to a system.

Further, from my readings of Mr. LaVey's works, he would look own his nose at people who simply parroted him. If you legitimately believed exactly as he did, fine, but I would think he'd have quite a disdain for sycophants -- IIRC he even said just that on more than one occasion.

So, on a personally level, I do with him as I do with anyone else -- I consider his points and take what works for me, and leave the rest. If you really listen to people who think, you'll find plenty of things to contemplate, and even if you end up rejecting those things, you benefited from contemplating them and defining your own thinking so you have a reason why you reject the other.

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