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#40685 - 07/23/10 08:01 AM David Myatt - Embarrassing New Picture
merickal80 Offline
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David Myatt - Embarrassing New Picture



An embarrassing new picture of David Myatt has emerged, exposing David Myatt as a 'Satanist' whose written work is rendered worthless because of its lack of provenance.

http://voiceoverthere.wordpress.com

The question is, if you are proud of being a Satanist, why lie about it?

Two new academic research projects and a close textual analysis of David Myatt's 'writings', show David Myatt's long term relationships with established neo-nazi Satanists.

The blog:

http://voiceoverthere.wordpress.com

casts doubt on the veracity of everything that David Myatt has ever written. Myatt disowned every document written under his own name, when he was interviewed by the police. There is no certain method of establishing genuine documents written by Myatt and worthless trash written by imposters. Therefore all work attributed to David Myatt should be consigned to the trashcan.

A Satanist who denies responsibility for his work - Satanic or neo-nazi - as soon as the police are involved, does not have a body of work which can be positively attributed to him.

These new studies provide a much needed independent analysis, to explode the mythology surrounding David Myatt.

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#40686 - 07/23/10 08:10 AM Re: David Myatt - Embarrassing New Picture [Re: merickal80]
Morgan Offline
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"Therefore all work attributed to David Myatt should be consigned to the trashcan."

So I gather you are in favor of throwing out the baby with the dirty bathwater too?

Who care what he looks like. To the best of my knowledge no one on this site is fucking him, married to him, or eating breakfast with him.

It's not a matter of being proud of being a Satanist, its a matter of personal survival skills. Why the fuck would anyone want a free trip to a prison cell? If you can lie, or deny and avoid an unnecessary trip to copville, I would suggest you think about it.

Bashing the man, or the body of work he has created is kinda stupid and petty. You don't have to like him or agree with him, but his views/writings have influenced people and left a mark on the left hand path to say the least.

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#40692 - 07/23/10 11:26 AM Re: David Myatt - Embarrassing New Picture [Re: merickal80]
Diavolo Offline
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Some people will never get it I guess. This post didn't even make me sigh.

As far as I know none of the ONA breed really cares about this; it's always the outsiders that get hyped up by something they just can't understand or who put the emphasis on things others consider trivial.

And, as a side-note; if you lived a more thrilling life, you'd surely would have experienced and realized yourself that the cops are not your friends. The idea you should tell the truth to them might work fine in the movies but in reality, you shut up or lie.

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#40693 - 07/23/10 11:27 AM Re: David Myatt - Embarrassing New Picture [Re: merickal80]
Caladrius Offline
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 Originally Posted By: merickal80
David Myatt - Embarrassing New Picture



An embarrassing new picture of David Myatt has emerged, exposing David Myatt as a 'Satanist' whose written work is rendered worthless because of its lack of provenance.

http://voiceoverthere.wordpress.com

The question is, if you are proud of being a Satanist, why lie about it?

Two new academic research projects and a close textual analysis of David Myatt's 'writings', show David Myatt's long term relationships with established neo-nazi Satanists.

The blog:

http://voiceoverthere.wordpress.com

casts doubt on the veracity of everything that David Myatt has ever written. Myatt disowned every document written under his own name, when he was interviewed by the police. There is no certain method of establishing genuine documents written by Myatt and worthless trash written by imposters. Therefore all work attributed to David Myatt should be consigned to the trashcan.

A Satanist who denies responsibility for his work - Satanic or neo-nazi - as soon as the police are involved, does not have a body of work which can be positively attributed to him.

These new studies provide a much needed independent analysis, to explode the mythology surrounding David Myatt.


Don't mind this nutcase, he's been doing this for 4 years straight in other forums. It's usually the same handful of things he has to say. I'm surprised he didn't do the "Myatt ran over a cripple woman" spiel... he will if given time.

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An embarrassing new picture of David Myatt has emerged,


Who cares? Who actually gives a shit over the past 4 years? I got all excited last time I saw this idiot post this "embarrassing new picture" shit elsewhere. Thought I was gunna see naked pictures or something.

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exposing David Myatt as a 'Satanist' whose written work is rendered worthless because of its lack of provenance.


Who cares? I don't think it's DM's pile of written work that turns people mindlessly to him you MOAC. Personally I have my own thoughts and worldviews, which resonates with DM's. That's about as simple as it gets.

Who in affiliated or associated with Myatt in any way comes to him with a blank mind to be filled with Myatt stuff? I don't know of any. Cite me a few people.

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The question is, if you are proud of being a Satanist, why lie about it?


Who cares? Who says he was a "Satanist" to begin with? "Satanism" is an "outer form" used as a means to try and get something doen: Sinister Dialectic, I believe it's called.

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Two new academic research projects and a close textual analysis of David Myatt's 'writings', show David Myatt's long term relationships with established neo-nazi Satanists.


Who cares? And those academic nerds knows David Myatt personally? Do they have a degree in following the man and studying his every move and checks up on who he associates with? Most of his associates now aren't even White, such as myself.

I'm half Asian half Mexican. I've been in a long term relationship with a "neo-nazi Satanist" ONA member. Again: Sinister Dialectic. If you wanna manipulate people to do things for you, as a subversive "operative" you just have to know how to shapeshift.

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casts doubt on the veracity of everything that David Myatt has ever written. Myatt disowned every document written under his own name, when he was interviewed by the police.


Who cares? And who wrote this? You see what you're doing? What you're doing is you pranse around the internet assuming that people who "follow" David Myatt come to hime with an empty mind and gets their empty minds blindly filled with Myatt memes.

You have a very primitive understanding of howan intelligent person's mind works. Here you are presenting a paragraph of shit. Do you expect readers here to empty-headedly accept what you have written?

Who wrote this shit? What are they affiliated with? Their credentials? Their motives? Your motives?

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There is no certain method of establishing genuine documents written by Myatt and worthless trash written by imposters. Therefore all work attributed to David Myatt should be consigned to the trashcan.


Who cares? Who cares what he wrote or didn't write? It doesn't matter any more. At least not in the ONA. He is not the only source of written material and ideas. He is only one of many now. It not really about who wrote what even. It's the quality of insight the MSS has and if such insights are of any use.

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A Satanist who denies responsibility for his work - Satanic or neo-nazi - as soon as the police are involved, does not have a body of work which can be positively attributed to him.

These new studies provide a much needed independent analysis, to explode the mythology surrounding David Myatt.


Who cares? I mean really? During the 4 years that you have been doing this in other forums, what End Result has it accomplished for you? Beside people calling you a nutcase, you fool.

"New studies" ... "analysis"... by what or who? And "authority" on Myatt? You telling me some university charges tuition to have people study a 4 year course on David Myatt's life so they can have a PhD on Myatt's life and shit? What the hell is wrong with you?


Edited by Caladrius (07/23/10 11:29 AM)
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#40694 - 07/23/10 01:10 PM Re: David Myatt - Embarrassing New Picture [Re: merickal80]
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At the risk of sounding like a broken record: Who cares?

While I personally have no connection to ONA, other than sporadically reading some of their texts, I do know there are people on this site who have made use of ONA material. If you don't like what they have to say then don't subject yourself to it. It's as easy as that.

It is no secret that I harbor nothing but contempt for the Neo-Nazi movement but as long as they aren't congregating in my backyard I couldn't care less. And besides, as I have come to understand(?) National Socialism was merely a tool to be used to achieve one's own ends. I'm surprised you didn't bring up Myatt's purported conversion to Islam (also a tool) and try to use that against him as well. Unless I am confusing him with someone else.

I wonder what your motivation behind this post is anyway. I mean, do you have any real reason for engaging in this smear campaign or are you just bored? Don't answer that, it was rhetorical and I don't really care anyway.

Edit: I don't see what is so embarrassing about that picture. Not everyone can be as sexy as I am.


Edited by 6Satan6Archist6 (07/23/10 01:10 PM)
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#40696 - 07/23/10 02:17 PM Re: David Myatt - Embarrassing New Picture [Re: 6Satan6Archist6]
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I expected a photo of him in a pink tutu performing the dying swan on stage. I mean, didn't they write "embarrassing"? And even then, I might frown but would it really matter?

Anyone familiar with Myatt knows how he looks like. It's not as if anyone of us expects him to dress in black and use corpse paint. While his work is respected, his persona isn't put on a pedestal.

The baby skull with the nail inside is supposed to trigger some emotion in us I guess.

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#40697 - 07/23/10 02:43 PM Re: David Myatt - Embarrassing New Picture [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
"Therefore all work attributed to David Myatt should be consigned to the trashcan."

So I gather you are in favor of throwing out the baby with the dirty bathwater too?

Who care what he looks like. To the best of my knowledge no one on this site is fucking him, married to him, or eating breakfast with him.

It's not a matter of being proud of being a Satanist, its a matter of personal survival skills. Why the fuck would anyone want a free trip to a prison cell? If you can lie, or deny and avoid an unnecessary trip to copville, I would suggest you think about it.

Bashing the man, or the body of work he has created is kinda stupid and petty. You don't have to like him or agree with him, but his views/writings have influenced people and left a mark on the left hand path to say the least.

I was under the impression that David Myat/Anton Long/Stephen Brown/et al. had become a Muslim several years ago.

I agree that what he looks like is irrelevant to his views, but if those views are convenience/situation/publicity-chameleon, I see no reason to respect them or him. Aleister Crowley put it this way:

 Originally Posted By: A.C., The Confessions
If one had to worry about one’s actions in respect of other people’s ideas, one might as well be buried alive in an antheap or married to an ambitious violinist. Whether that man is the prime minister, modifying his opinions to catch votes, or a bourgeois in terror lest some harmless act should be misunderstood and outrage some petty convention, that man is an inferior man and I do not want to have anything to do with him any more than I want to eat canned salmon.

Of course the world forces us all to compromise with our environment to some extent, and we only waste our strength if we fight pitched battles for points which are not worth a skirmish. It is only a faddist who refuses to conform with conventions of dress and the like. But our sincerity should be Roman about things that really matter to us.

And I am still in doubt, as I write these words, as to how far it is right to employ strategy and diplomacy in order to gain one’s point. The great men of the world have stood up and taken their medicine ...

Adaptation to one’s environment makes for a sort of survival; but after all, the supreme victory is only won by those who prove themselves of so much harder stuff than the rest that no power on Earth is able to destroy them. The people who have really made history are the martyrs.
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#40730 - 07/23/10 10:34 PM Re: David Myatt - Embarrassing New Picture [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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"And I am still in doubt, as I write these words, as to how far it is right to employ strategy and diplomacy in order to gain one’s point."

You have to learn to choose your battles, and in doing so, learn what your enemies are planning next. Not every battle or discussion is just so cut and dry. As I am sure you know fuckers like to hide in tunnels and wait for you to fuck up. You can walk slowly by, or keep the flamethrower on. What you choose to do depends if it is day or night.

"The people who have really made history are the martyrs."

The martyrs end up dead. With being dead the game is over. The winners write and record history.

In all honesty, if the cops are at your door, they are there for a reason. Somehow I seriously doubt that they would just ring his bell and ask "Hey, are you Myatt? Did you write this dribble?" Then if he responses "No", they walk away.

This whole stupid bash fest is a joke.

M
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#40733 - 07/23/10 11:54 PM Re: David Myatt - Embarrassing New Picture [Re: merickal80]
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 Originally Posted By: merickal80
An embarrassing new picture of David Myatt has emerged

Wow you really think someones appearance matters I bet their screen name is really important as well?

I myself find in life that there are those who talk and those who do. For the most part those doing so much talking are not spending enough time doing.

Silly me for looking at the blog. After a few lines I realized I really don't care enough to even read it.

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#40734 - 07/24/10 02:12 AM Re: David Myatt - Embarrassing New Picture [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Wicked Wanda
You have to learn to choose your battles, and in doing so, learn what your enemies are planning next. Not every battle or discussion is just so cut and dry. As I am sure you know fuckers like to hide in tunnels and wait for you to fuck up. You can walk slowly by, or keep the flamethrower on. What you choose to do depends if it is day or night.

Indeed, and I believe AC drew that distinction. But his main point had to do with the sincerity of one's convictions and the strength of one's character to stand by and stand up for them. That is a test I have regularly faced since I joined the Church of Satan in 1969, and not once have I failed or evaded it, even when it might have been "advantageous" to do so. [And that included when the cops showed up at my door, in the "SRA" scam attempted against Lilith and myself.]

 Originally Posted By: Wanda
 Originally Posted By: A.C.
"The people who have really made history are the martyrs."

The martyrs end up dead. With being dead the game is over. The winners write and record history.

Well, there are the martyrs who just go limp and let themselves be burned at the stake. But I think AC meant this in the more profound sense that some proponents of ideas have been so dedicated to them that they would risk inconvenience, injury, or death for them; as for instance: "And for the support of this declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of Divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor."

 Originally Posted By: Wanda
In all honesty, if the cops are at your door, they are there for a reason. Somehow I seriously doubt that they would just ring his bell and ask "Hey, are you Myatt? Did you write this dribble?" Then if he responses "No", they walk away.

Sometimes the cops are there for a wrong reason, or even out of curiosity. Then it is your challenge and responsibility to straighten them out, which is possible in any bureaucratic situation.

If the cops are there for a right/factual reason, then of course it's an entirely different situation. If you broke a just law, you reap the consequences. If you think that the law is an unjust one, then your task is much harder; and the beneficiaries of your efforts may not be yourself, but those who come after you. [This brings up altruism, which is another interesting concept when considered by Satanists.]

 Originally Posted By: Wanda
This whole stupid bash fest is a joke.

I generally avoid criticizing the 600C, since I regard myself as a guest in your house, but I am surprised and disappointed at the shark-frenzy which often results from "unorthodox" speculations expressed here, particularly by new, inexperienced participants. I am not saying that you have to pander to stupidity, carelessness, or laziness. But sometimes a new person is just, well, a new person - trying out some elementary ideas, looking for guidance, and perhaps looking for friends in a very uncertain and allegedly-dangerous adventure. Instead of jumping to the attack [and I mean this generally, not with yourself or any other individual in mind], take a moment to remember how you were when you were taking your own first steps along the LHP. What would have strengthened you, helped you to do it better? Then try that.
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#40736 - 07/24/10 02:49 AM Re: David Myatt - Embarrassing New Picture [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
I agree that he [Myatt] looks rather sexy in that embarrassing picture, but if those views are convenience/situation/publicity-chameleon, I see no reason to respect them or him. Aleister Crowley put it this way...


All I can say is Davie will commit suicide when I tell him Aquino has lost respeck for him. You're so insensitive sometimes Aquino... you know how much he adores you. And yes, we all - as well as DM - look up to Creepy Crowley and live by his every word.

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...but if those views are convenience/situation/publicity-chameleon...


I thought I dropped enough clues in my first post about this? Those 4 possibilities are all you can think of to explain his actions? It's just impossible for you to figure out any other possible explanation?

There have been several times, or often actually, where David Myatt's radical Islamic writings have been on the front page of Al-Qaeda websites.

The question that the perceptive individual should ask themselves - assume they care - is: Who is his target Audience, you or Radical Islam? And Why?


Ibn Myatt's Islamic Writings
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#40741 - 07/24/10 03:31 AM Re: David Myatt - Embarrassing New Picture [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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David Myatt doesn't need any expose to discredit himself; unless becoming a terrorist-endorsing radical Muslim doesn't do it for you. Whether his heart has secretly been with the ONA all along is still a matter of questioning, but I really couldn't care less. The ONA stands on its own without him, and regardless of his current drama, Myatt and his collaborators have left their mark on Satanism, for good or ill.

My principle gripe is that the OP apparently came here with a flimsy agenda, what seems to be a hit-and-run post with the sole intent of not engaging in an exchange of ideas, but sticking some "expose" like we're some read-only bulletin board, and probably running off to some other LHP forum to copy-paste the same post.

I could be wrong; maybe he's an intelligent individual who has a lot to contribute to the forum-- but his first impression isn't too hot either. It's happened here too many times before.
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#40745 - 07/24/10 04:17 AM Re: David Myatt - Embarrassing New Picture [Re: The Zebu]
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This is indeed hit and run and one can follow the trail of these posts all over the internet.

At times it is just hilarious. Anton Long trying to run down a disabled female cancer victim with his van. Seriously; a female, disabled AND having cancer? As if just running someone down with your van wouldn't be badass enough.

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#40746 - 07/24/10 05:13 AM Re: David Myatt - Embarrassing New Picture [Re: Michael A.Aquino]
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 Originally Posted By: Michael A.Aquino
Indeed, and I believe AC drew that distinction. But his main point had to do with the sincerity of one's convictions and the strength of one's character to stand by and stand up for them. That is a test I have regularly faced since I joined the Church of Satan in 1969, and not once have I failed or evaded it, even when it might have been "advantageous" to do so. [And that included when the cops showed up at my door, in the "SRA" scam attempted against Lilith and myself.]


I think this is another distinct difference between types of Satanism. The sincerity of one's conviction and the strength of character to stand by and stand up for them do not imply trying to make a needless impression on the mass. One does not need to be approved, glorified or validated by these mundanes. Many people think they have to submit to the "rules" but those rules are their rules and none has to play along with them. We make up our own rules and live along those and if or if not, at some level, they have some resemblance with their rules is of little importance. The system we live in is simple; if you live life within their parameters, you are allowed to do so. If you do not, the system tries to neutralize you, or convert you to the right path again. As such, it is tolerated to be a Satanist as long as you are the right kind of Satanist. Some of us are not. Something which, again, explains the importance of being secretive.

My first serious encounter with the federal cops here was at 16. They did the good cop, bad cop routine on me but, at that age, I had seen those movies too. Yes I had been a bad boy and yes I knew what I did was considered criminal behaviour by the system but no I did not feel sorry, bad or guilty for doing so. I lived life according my principles and rules, admittedly more crude, undirected and juvenile as today but still.
My approach that time was omerta and as a result, by lack of evidence I walked. If I'd had been a martyr and confessed, I would have provided evidence at my own expense. They love confessions; if you hang the rope around your own neck, they don’t need to do the effort.

"I did it" are such sweet words but they should only be spoken when there is actual benefit to it. Seeing such behaviour as honourable only works if you regard their opinion or system as being important. I do not; I use or abuse it when it is appropriate to do so.

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#40748 - 07/24/10 06:42 AM Re: David Myatt - Embarrassing New Picture [Re: merickal80]
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 Originally Posted By: merickal80
An embarrassing new picture of David Myatt has emerged


Hey the silly Myatt stalker - the MOAC - finally made it here!

 Originally Posted By: merickal80

The question is, if you are proud of being a Satanist, why lie about it?


Because it's called being covert.

Because shape-shifting is a well known occult technique of the Left Hand Path, as used by the ONA.

That you even ask this question shows your total lack of knowledge of the ONA.

Fact is - Myatt's had a diverse and very interesting life over four decades. A life of practical deeds, on the edge, of risk, and danger. But also a life of thinking; a creative life.

What the ONA call "an exeatic life".

How many here can claim such diversity, such a-morality, such deeds?

In fact, his life could be said to be "the ONA in action", and the real clue is a-moral.

 Originally Posted By: merickal80

exposing David Myatt as a 'Satanist' whose written work is rendered worthless because of its lack of provenance.


The work of Anton Long is good enough to stand on its own merits. He and the ONA have greatly influenced both the LHP and Satanism.

Some people don't like his work; some do. In a 100 years time we'll see who is remembered and praised.

 Originally Posted By: merickal80
to explode the mythology surrounding David Myatt.


Well, I must say you help this mythology, what we call The Myatt Mythos, what with your hundreds of rants about Myatt spanning three years now, and your dozen or so anti-Myatt blogs.

You keep people talking about him. You get people to look him up. To read his writings.

You get people interested in the ONA. Good work! Keep it up.



Edited by Raffy (07/24/10 06:43 AM)
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