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#53259 - 04/21/11 01:09 PM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: Zakary]
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 Originally Posted By: Zakary
Whilst the idea of 'culling' is an interesting extrapolation on LaVey's 'worthy victim' principle


No it's not. It has nothing to do with LaVey or his brand of Satanism.

The practice of culling - which includes *human sacrifice* - existed long before him, as did Satanism.

Re human sacrifice - ever read about the fate of Iphigenia as described by Aeschylus?? \:\)

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#53269 - 04/21/11 06:00 PM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: SinisterMoon]
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Oh I agree, the practice of culling and human sacrifice is much older than LaVey, the ONA and the modern concept of what we like to call Satanism. Nothing new under the sun as they say. In the scheme of things I've referenced LaVey in regards to the attitude towards human sacrifice as LaVey's work precedes Myatts that's all. Actually Dr Aquino would be best to comment on this matter as he is the senior here. My experience only goes as far back as 1984........ before most of the newer groups were heard of.
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#53275 - 04/21/11 10:15 PM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: Zakary]
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Well I have to say this is terrible, you have to be rational here in this day and age, especially if you are secretly involved in sacrificing people.

Seriously though, we have Satanist objecting to the culling idea and others are totally psychopathic for entertaining the notion of murder quite innocently. It's all quite strange that Satanist would risk going to jail for killing somebody that means not much at all to them, it'd be like sitting in jail for no reason because you had to interfere in somebodies meaningless existence?

It's all fine if you actually want to live as a wild beast like Richard Ramirez and not kid yourself about your bloodlust, add a Satan obsession to make your nights motivational but to believe in a special movement that will create a future that is better based on shooting some mundanes that will probably ruin their own lives with drugs and drink anyway is not a positive way to spend ones own life in my view.

We all encounter fucks that start shit with our families over the years, and we know it's easy to kill them, what is harder to do is to avoid these situations and your own lethal propensity that you know is very real, if you know you have the propensity to kill you don't go around tempting your fate unless you simply like to kill people for no reason, and if you do then you don't need an ideology, you'll just end up in the jail with no life regardless. There are enough life threatening situations already for which you still have to go to court and get consigned to one address for years while on trial even if it was self defence.

What will you say to the other inmates?

Cellmate (contemporary stone faced rapist and murderer):"What you in for"

You: "I was convinced to get involved with and murder a stranger to be part of a special progressive movement that aims to colonize space with ubermenschen, for which I am one, ubermensch means superman, I am superman, I can do magic too"

*cricket sounds*

This is when you get your head smashed in on principle. Years of looking into the mirror seeing a fool, penance and reflection for being drawn into the writings of a psychopath who is laughing in a way you will never understand.

Yes, I am misanthropic and my warrior code rejects the orders, instructions and suggestions of others. If somebody is going to die it's going to be a fool who disturbs my solitary mindfulness on the wrong day. Knife crime is rampant and these people are not Satanist, they are desperate and nervous people who you can't reason with, so you'll just have do do your worst, lethal self defence is just one of life's most desolate affirmations, that you will most certainly go to jail simply for self defence if you have the propensity to kill. I'd stay the fuck away from mundanes if I were you, they ask for it too much. Their very existence is passive aggressive because they sacrifice themselves using you as their executioner, like suicidals, they sacrifice their own life to take you down.
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#53280 - 04/21/11 11:25 PM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: Zakary]
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LaVey made some passing references to human sacrifice in his descriptions of death-cursing and occasional nods to Social-Darwinism, but never really placed any emphasis on it.

Aquino and his group didn't flirt with biological elitism or eugenics like some members of the CoS did, despite their reputation as evil jackboot-stomping nazis. Regarding the concept of "human sacrifice" itself, Aquino was much more concerned with the PR image of his group and so did everything he could to distance the public image of the LHP from any links to violence and criminality.

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You: "I was convinced to get involved with and murder a stranger to be part of a special progressive movement that aims to colonize space with ubermenschen, for which I am one, ubermensch means superman, I am superman, I can do magic too"

*cricket sounds*


You just made my day, sir.


Edited by The Zebu (04/21/11 11:28 PM)
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#53283 - 04/22/11 01:53 AM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: Hegesias]
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 Originally Posted By: Hegesias
we have Satanist objecting to the culling idea and others are totally psychopathic for entertaining the notion of murder quite innocently. It's all quite strange that Satanist would risk going to jail for killing somebody that means not much at all to them


You're making several assumptions here, all of which have been shown to be wrong in the extant ONA literature on the subject and also over the past decade in threads such as this.

First off and most obviously, if someone goes to jail for doing such stuff, they've failed and are a failure, in ONA terms. No one cares about the failures - they deserve what they get. So your quip about ubermenschen is misplaced.

Second, an individual target is chosen for a specific reason due their deeds, so their removal has a meaning to those involved, which may or may not be personal, or could be *aeonic* (based on sinister strategy). If personal, it could be due to revenge and retribution - or something else.

Third, your use of terms such as *murder*. What is *murder* and who defines it and why?

lastly, there are two types of culling - individual, of a perp, and collective, of those who are *sworn enemies* in the context of aeonic strategy and other such stuff.

But I guess, like Anton Long said in one of his writings on the subject, you're either - because of your personal character, your true nature - in sympathy with all this stuff about culling, or you're not. If you are, then it'll be understood.

If you're not in sympathy with it - if it's not intuitively understood because it resonates with you, because you have a certain nature - then debate about it isn't going to make a difference or change the way you perceive it and the assumptions you make about and especially the assumptions you make about those who do agree with it.

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#53284 - 04/22/11 01:58 AM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: SinisterMoon]
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I made the reference to Dr Aquino for the purpose of historical accuracy on the topic, not because the TOS ever entertained the idea of culling. I guess one must keep in mind that the CoS and ToS had a public face and were/are mainstream. The ONS and its founders were/are not. Whilst the authorities in the UK are no doubt intimately familiar with Myatt and all his guises his own evaision of the law, particularly in respect to Jihadism is very interesting. He should be known as the man with 9 lives?
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#53285 - 04/22/11 03:01 AM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: Zakary]
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 Originally Posted By: Zakary
I made the reference to Dr Aquino for the purpose of historical accuracy on the topic, not because the TOS ever entertained the idea of culling.


I think if you hadn't clarified this, then Dr Aquino here might have!

But I guess we all know that both the ToS and the CoS took care to stay within *the law* as made by the US gov.

 Originally Posted By: Zakary
Myatt ...in respect to Jihadism is very interesting.


Yes indeed - for doesn't Jihad = a type of culling?

Also, though it's going to be controversial with some ONA folks, let's not forget how Myatt was alleged by the mainstream media to have inspired the London nail bombings.

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#53325 - 04/22/11 06:17 PM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: SinisterMoon]
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Copeland spent time at Broadmoor, were Bronson there at the time, I'd like to think Copeland would have been mullered.

Copeland vented his violent propensity through hatred to gay club clientele. As to why he would associate himself as involved in alien cultures is beyond me, bare in mind that Copeland never had a girlfriend and was a junkie, he ought to have nailbombed contemporary nightclubs where gay and strait drug pushers and slags fornicate together, in only bombing the gay clubs he left all the strait scum, scum infests all races and creeds, silly Copeland.

Homophobic and racist, easily indoctrinated by intellectual heavyweights, another media hyped unsophisticate that is ideal to tarnish the public view of National Socialism. National Socialism is not master race ideology NS opposes that, yet racists see NS as a vehicle to be racist in extremes, most have never even read Mein Kampf except to parrot lines out of context.

Silly Copeland bombed African and Asian people and avoided Zog altogether? Not very NS if you ask me.

The German army was the most multi-cultural army in Europe, but nearly 70 years of anti-National Socialist propaganda has made the world think otherwise. Arab and Black Nazi troops were in the Eastern Front in 1942-1944, and according to historians they were treated better and respected more than black troops that were in the U.S army who could not eat in the same tables as whites or sleep in the same barracks. Black and Asian soldiers in the German Army were treated like any white man. Generals ate and slept in the same dorms as the privates, this was to ensure a brotherly bond between troops raising morale on the battlefield.

David Copeland wanted his bombing campaign to ignite a race war which is not National Socialism but a lot like extreme Judaism ideas in Nazi dress. You'll see a lot of so called National Socialists who are Christians too, I could point out why that is ridiculous but I don't think I need to.
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#53339 - 04/23/11 12:34 AM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: Hegesias]
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I have been reading alot of the ONA manuscripts (MSS) on the subjects of culling in its regard to Satanism and evolutionary advancement. I see it as nothing more then "nature taking its course" with the individual Satanist simply aiding its progression. Sometimes the one to be culled so to speak, do it on their own, simply by living the lifestyle which made them a target to begin with. Addicts, for example are easily manipulated (Satanically correct) and by doing the will of the Satanist can cull themselves and rid yet another blemish on the face of society in the same run. (I did not elaborate on purpose)

There is alot of logic in the ONA writings. Taboo as it might sound, it is based in our own behaviors, and desires which have been suppressed by society.

LaVey was a showman. I was introduced to Satanism by his books and philosophy. Much of what he describes has alot of parallels to the ONA view of traditional Satanism. (not all mind you) It describes the individuals solitary course of learning, experience, and deciding what Satanism is to them, what their involvement will be, and their goals.

I embrace the natural order. And I commend those who would make such drastic change to make the human race stronger. The weakness of spirit and morals has led to many of the problems we see today.

As archaic as it seems, some methods are barbaric by today's standards...but are still natural, and necessary for the survival of humanity.

Let the weak perish by their own hand, so that the strong will see a new tomorrow.

(for the record Jihad is a religious event, and not a natural one)


Edited by Ghostly1 (04/23/11 12:35 AM)
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#53341 - 04/23/11 02:47 AM Re: ONA and Culling [Re: Ghostly1]
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In regards to the idea of 'traditional Satanism', I'm not sure what that is or if there ever was or will be such a thing. The ONA itself is a recent invention..... a new kid on the block.... a hybrid of neofascism, shamanism and Satanic themes and symbology. It is certainly the product of a clever mind...... far superior to mine I'll admit. Myatt is a genious I have no doubt. It is impossible to compare LaVey and Myatt though..... I feel anyway. They had very different goals.
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#53343 - 04/23/11 06:25 AM Re: ONA and Culling - Anti-future Plan [Re: Ghostly1]
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Interesting notion this. Aiding evolution. Facilitating nature.

Our expectations may differ somewhat on this. As a species we are suicidal. Having peered long and hard into my quartz thingamabob I've 'received' a vision of our evolution - in vivid technicolor.

It all ends in tears. This revelation of our shared wyrd is one of terminal stupidity. I'm afraid that the degenerates inherit the earth.

No Overman.

No Buzz Lightyear.

If we are serious about embracing the natural order and realizing our destiny, anyone of even middling intellect must be terminated or sterilized. Enormous subsidies should be awarded the worst possible specimens of "humanity", based entirely upon how prolifically they can reproduce, and the quality of their monstrous bounty. Failing that, forced couplings best calculated to deplete the collective gene pool could be instituted. The octomum is a step in the right direction.

Feel free to make further suggestions.

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#53346 - 04/23/11 09:19 AM Re: ONA and Culling - Anti-future Plan [Re: Harvey]
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Yes well in this context the film 'Idiocracy' could be viewed as being nothing short of prophetic. Irresponsible neanderthal types breed with little discretion. Humanity is what it is, the greater natural environment is what it is, it can be appreciated and exploited, but never controlled without consequence. To personally aim to instigate aeonic change via genetic and psychological modification is no doubt a noble cause. However, I think the Aeon must exist within before it can externally manifest. Perhaps the Aeons have always been internal eventuations.......? In the context of time and space the physical manifestation of anything organic is so irrelevant don't you think? I wouldn't waste my time trying to modify humanity, it won't be around long enough for a change to be achieved or appreciated. Give us a few 100 years max!
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#53390 - 04/23/11 11:01 PM Re: ONA and Culling - Anti-future Plan [Re: Zakary]
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It is a downward spiral, I have to admit.

Myatt is trying for the fast track, hence his bouncing back and forth to what he thinks will be the quickest end to the means. Its one of the many explanations Ive come up with to explain his seemingly erratic lifestyle changes. I dont think Nationalistic Socialism is the solution either, but you have to give him credit for taking a chance, and going full speed ahead.

He didnt make any gains as far as I can tell. But his heart and mind are in it to win, no doubt..

It makes me cringe to think what the world will be like if it continues its current trends.
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#53393 - 04/24/11 12:50 AM Re: ONA and Culling - Anti-future Plan [Re: Ghostly1]
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 Originally Posted By: Ghostly1


Myatt is trying for the fast track, hence his bouncing back and forth to what he thinks will be the quickest end to the means. Its one of the many explanations Ive come up with to explain his seemingly erratic lifestyle changes. I dont think Nationalistic Socialism is the solution either, but you have to give him credit for taking a chance, and going full speed ahead.



This subject of what Myatt has been doing and is doing has actually been covered in this very same thread \:\)

National Socialism is not The solution. Satanism is not The solution. Islam is not The solution. First, before a solution can be discovered, we must first identify the actual problem.

Mankind going to hell in a hand basket is not the problem. It is the symptom of the CAUSE of the problem. We are getting our causes and effects mixed up here. Why are we going to hell as a species? Why are we over-breeding? Why are we over-consuming? Why are we deforesting? Why are we polluting? Why are we warring? What is driving us to do these things? What is driving us to use up the earth's oil reserves, etc?

Myatt - if you have an eye to See - has been consistent in his actions and behaviour for the past 30 years. He has never wavered. Regardless of what role he assumes for the moment, his Emeny has always been the same: The Nation-State. He sought to try and disrupt it during those C18 and C88 days. He sought to try and get others to help disrupt it as a radical Jihadist Muslim. He seeks to disrupt it in his Numinous Way writings, Reichsfolk writings, and ONA writings. All across his career as a David Myatt he has remained focused on the same Target, the same Cause of The Problem. Only his outward role changes.

There is Nothing confusing or mysterous about what Myatt has been and is doing, if you genuinely Understand what the ONA is. It's called Insight Role & The Sinister Dialectic. It's elementary ONA stuff.

This subject is old. There is an entire 'library' of information explaining and clarifying this subject online everywhere, such as HERE.

How a person deals with this old subject, Myatt and what superficial role he has assumed or is assuming, is actually now even used by the ONA as a test of character and capacity for "sinister perception," as the ONA recently explained:

"The third of our simple tests concerns the nature, the character, of a particular individual. This particular individual is considered by many journalists, by some writers about Occult matters, and by many of those interested in Satanism, the sinister, and The Left Hand Path, to be either the founder, or the current GrandMaster, of the ONA itself, or both of these things. Thus, for many people, this particular individual is “the public face of the ONA” even though he himself has always denied being involved with it.

"This particular individual has been assigned various labels, various designations, and allotted to various categories, by many journalists, by some writers about Occult matters, and by many if not most of those interested in Satanism or who claim to be involved with or claim to actually be “Satanists”. Thus, the varied, publicly known, life of this individual is used in order to describe or classify him, and the ONA itself, and/or in order to show or to somehow “prove” that the ONA cannot or should not be taken seriously (and is thus not a genuine “Satanic” or LHP group), because, for example, this individual (the alleged founder and/or the alleged GrandMaster of the ONA) was reported to have done something, or was reported to believe something or be involved with something, which seemed or which seems to contradict what most wannabe or self-described “Satanists” consider to be “Satanic”.

"Thus, if those interested in the ONA and who expect or who desire to associate themselves with, or become part of, the sinister ONA collective, have this common, mundane, perception and this common mundane and non-esoteric understanding of this particular individual, then they have failed our test. Hence, we have no interest in such people, and, furthermore, no interest in explaining this particular matter further, in public."
- Source

Why so pessimistic all of a sudden? There are 7 billion humans on this earth at the moment. What thing, evidence, proof, fact, logic, reason, whatever causes some here to Believe that all 7 billion will die out? I don't even think the dinosaurs all died out completely. Some lived to become birds. How do we reasonably know that the entire human species will go totally extinct?

We are essentially talking about Mother Nature, Father Time, and change/evolution/etcetera. During that process of natural change - which may involve mass culling of the weak and selective breeding - some will die out, but others will live on. Change or evolution does not always suggest total annihilation and doom. It's mundane to see things in such a gloomy manner. The end of the world and humanity seems to always be around every corner for mundanes: Y2K, 2012, WWIII, and so forth. Genetically about 13,000 years ago something cataclysmic happened on this earth which nearly wiped out our species. The scientists don't know what exactly happened. But they do know that whatever happened wiped out everyone except roughly a tribe or group of under 1000-10,000. Every human alive today is a genetic [mitochondrial] descendant of a single female in that surviving tribe. So I've read somewhere.



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#53395 - 04/24/11 03:27 AM Re: ONA and Culling - Anti-future Plan [Re: Caladrius]
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Is it pessimism to embrace change and evolution? We're optimists, dammit! It seems to me that shooting for the stars is contrary to our nature. My money is on the swamp.

Now I'm not suggesting that some cataclysm will engulf billions of unique and precious cosmic darlings, but rather that short sightedness, greed and stupidity will reach a zenith in short order, and collectively we shall retreat to our murky origins.

If you can present evidence of our "potential" as per ONA, The Numinous Way, Nietzche etc. that might contradict our current trajectory - I'm all ears [eyes]. I'm quite certain that you need only observe the world around you in order to verify my position.

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