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#53662 - 04/29/11 03:52 PM Re: ONA and Culling - Anti-future Plan [Re: SinisterMoon]
Zakary Offline
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Myatt walks because he is watched no doubt....... It is funny really, if Myatt would have just stuck to wearing the ONA Satanic vestment as his main ideological garb he may have been able to avoid any significant attention, but pro suicide bombing anti zionist white supremist bumper stickers always get you pulled over by traffic police!
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#53663 - 04/29/11 04:07 PM Re: ONA and Culling - Anti-future Plan [Re: Zakary]
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 Originally Posted By: Zakary
Myatt walks because he is watched no doubt....... It is funny really, if Myatt would have just stuck to wearing the ONA Satanic vestment as his main ideological garb he may have been able to avoid any significant attention, but pro suicide bombing anti zionist white supremist bumper stickers always get you pulled over by traffic police!


True, but which kinda proves my point that *they* don't always *get their man* despite their resources \:\)

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#53665 - 04/29/11 06:40 PM Re: ONA and Culling - Anti-future Plan [Re: Zakary]
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I see you have chosen to put anti-Zionism in the same sentence with White Supremacy. White Supremacy is not National Socialism. Anti-Zionism is not synonymous with racial supremacy but retaliatory towards the racial supremacy of they.

Whomever believes they are superior is potentially psychotic and not to be trusted, I hold extreme hostility to anyone who dare reveal to me they entertain such alien thoughts.

Not for or against, if somebody gets in my face they go to hospital, it's not complex and I don't need to assign an ideology to it all, I mind my own business, this enables me to conserve energy for retaliation to parasites.
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#53666 - 04/29/11 07:50 PM Re: ONA and Culling - Anti-future Plan [Re: Hegesias]
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Interesting points....... The original point I was addressing was the potential belief that Myatt was some how sooo clever that he managed and still manages to operate without being observed or with impunity. These types of beliefs are psychotic and magical...... Whilst he may be articulate and clever I would not trust such a person and anything he was associated with for a nanosecond. As someone here agreed, being contacted by the ONA is like being contacted by Alqaeda. You would have to have rocks in your head if you thought they weren't a.undercover law enforcement b.a poindexter sitting at there computer geeking out or c.someone who is a serious follower of ONA ideology and in that case being watched like a hawk. If you consider that some cults are actually started by intelligence organisations like the CIA you must consider that this would have happened in the Satanic community. Dr Aquino would be best to extrapolate on these matters as he would have some experience and first hand knowledge no doubt.
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#53673 - 04/29/11 10:04 PM Re: ONA and Culling - Anti-future Plan [Re: Zakary]
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Finally somebody with he same ideas. It all speaks of a blatant all entrapping web for all kinds of nutters, basically caters for all types of psychopath, even psychotics especially the bifurcation of reality into the causal and an acausal realm at certain places and times. Immediately this spoke of serial killer mentality. If you look at the ambiguous nature of the writings there is an opposite to every view and a cultural appeal. Paedophiles often feel they are part of a special progressive movement and that they are really doing nothing wrong and that one day the rest of the world will become enlightened as they are.

If you look back on this thread you'll see I've raised points about this, the ONA being a government web, I always assumed Myatt was not one man but a collection of many people, also that Blackwood was a creation of the ONA.

I reckon it's all a patchwork of ambiguous designs that appeal to those with criminal propensity, to single out those with criminal propensity. The ONA always felt clinical and gave me an anti-authority reaction against the formalities of the whole thing. As I said, I first was attracted due to thinking there may be genuine medieval grimoires to be found from France or maybe to do with the Inquisition era torture or whatever, turns out to be anticlimactic, yes I refer to homo glactica that seems to in quite a few ending lines and that's when it was all looked at as the writings of somebody quite poorly or my hunch which says it's the government design mentioned earlier.

I'm a blanket nihilist and misanthropist, I'd gladly see the world burn to a crisp below me while I meditate upon a mountain, in the mindfulness of nature. I see a very near future, of ruined buildings, homes with doors left open, streets with bodies strewn yet the atmosphere of a normal grey morning, with people walking about normally, working on strange buildings. This is because of propaganda being spoon fed my way.

National Socialism is not real in this day and age, what we have is a patchwork of racists, the government is soft headed and Christian and has made a grave mistake in creating this, an utter self mockery of they flaccid philanthropist. If those in power say they want you, your race, and your culture exterminated, believe them. Or don't. People are going extreme and working through their religion because US supports Israel, Zion, this is the reason for the shit.

Heathen, Scientific Atheist, European folk aren't asking to be drawn into the mix. Sectarianism is the way of the monotheist when he cannot find any non-believers to persecute. Bare in mind, there has never been a Buddhist war and yet the Shaolin are more than likely the toughest, level headed warriors on the earth (along with the Samurai and the Vikings). These people do not get in their own way, they are non aggressive yet can dispense an enemy gracefully and effortlessly. Buddhist monks simply be ordinary, nothing special, eat food, drink water, pass water, move bowels, and when tired, lie down. The invincibly ignorant will see weakness, but the wise will respect and understand.

I would see the whole world incinerated by nuclear fission for no reason but to give the psychotics their peace. It's what they want after all, peace on earth and paradise? A peaceful plane of blackened bones and ashes where flowers may grow forth from the fertile ground, natures face of the earth besmeared and moistened with blood. What care do I for that which Nature has turned her face from. Her weeping face of the earth symbolizes the disgust of madmen.
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#53680 - 04/30/11 12:15 AM Re: ONA and Culling - Anti-future Plan [Re: Zakary]
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There are enough armchair extremists on the internet already trash-talking the government and glorifying terrorism, genocide, and other cherished family values, but they are almost all toothless loudmouths. I seriously doubt the government gives two shits about such people, no matter how numerous they might seem.

Our old friend Dave is a different matter. On one hand, he hasn't done anything overtly criminal since his days as a nazi thug, but he's gained far too much notoriety just from his comparatively-recent Islamic writings alone. Having your essays on suicide bombing circulated among other jihadists and earning a passing reputation from them as a 'holy man' will get you some pretty nasty attention.

There's some rumors going around that Myatt is actually 007 or some shit going undercover for the government. I don't believe those for an instant. Being a former terrorist ideologue, however, I am certain that the government does keep an eye on him.

And frankly, based on his poor track record at keeping his Jihadi identity secret, if the man ever tried to actually to orchestrate anything substantial, the government would probably rip him a new asshole before he would find time to compose a lofty-sounding rebuttal peppered with greek maxims.

So many people affiliate with the ONA, whether sincerely or in a cursory manner, that I find it unlikely for the authorities to look too deeply into the matter; it being more worthwhile to focus on Myatt himself rather than a nebulous subCult-ure he was apparently once involved in that is now more or less indistinguishable on the surface from every other hive of keyboard-revolutionaries populating cyberspace.

On the other hand, doing something utterly moronic like, say-- becoming a "fan" of the Nine Angles facebook page-- is just asking for it. While the CIA would not be likely to do undercover baiting work for this sort of thing, it is well known that they have taken up trolling social networking sites and the like with digital automation, usually based on queries for simple words like "terrorism". See? I just potentially attracted the attention of the Electric Eye. HITLER! TSA! JEWS DID 9-11! ALLAHU WA ACKBAR! BIRTHER! MILITIA! WAAAAAAGHAGAH!

In all seriousness, though, if I were to ever take up the opus of the ONA, I would keep my mouth shut about it and fly solo, with no correspondence with the 'inner circle' unless it was encrypted up the ass. Publicly and on the internet, I would feign being a decent non-conspicuous Christian of some sort. And if I privately supported terrorism, 'culling', or anti-"Magian" subversion, I wouldn't post about it on goddamn Wordpress, or endorse it in public forums.


Edited by The Zebu (04/30/11 12:21 AM)
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#53685 - 04/30/11 02:28 AM Re: ONA and Culling - Anti-future Plan [Re: The Zebu]
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 Originally Posted By: The Zebu
Our old friend Dave is a different matter. On one hand, he hasn't done anything overtly criminal since his days as a nazi thug, but he's gained far too much notoriety just from his comparatively-recent Islamic writings alone. Having your essays on suicide bombing circulated among other jihadists and earning a passing reputation from them as a 'holy man' will get you some pretty nasty attention.


Agreed. His last arrest was in 1998 ce by SO12 officers from Scotland Yard - with that investigation lasting three years, taking in the FBI, Interpol, the Canadian police, involving suspicion of conspiracy to murder, incitement of racial hatred, and other stuff. As part of his bail - which lasted for 3 years until all charges were dropped - he regularly had to report to a police station in London.

 Originally Posted By: The Zebu
There's some rumors going around that Myatt is actually 007 or some shit going undercover for the government. I don't believe those for an instant. Being a former terrorist ideologue, however, I am certain that the government does keep an eye on him


Agreed. Same goes for the ONA being some kind of psyop or some government run group - it's nonsense.

The people most likely to be part of some pysops are those who say Mr Q or Ms R are government agents, or this group or that group are CIA fronts or some kind of government undercover op. For spreading such rumors is an easy way to cause suspicion, dissent, and turn some folks away from such people and such groups.

The way the ONA is now organized - as kind of leaderless collective (online) and as autonomous cells/groups/nexions/Temples in the world beyond cyberland - is the best way to go from an anti-government perspective.

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#53688 - 04/30/11 03:14 AM Re: ONA and Culling - Anti-future Plan [Re: The Zebu]
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 Originally Posted By: The Zebu
In all seriousness, though, if I were to ever take up the opus of the ONA, I would keep my mouth shut about it and fly solo, with no correspondence with the 'inner circle' unless it was encrypted up the ass. Publicly and on the internet, I would feign being a decent non-conspicuous Christian of some sort. And if I privately supported terrorism, 'culling', or anti-"Magian" subversion, I wouldn't post about it on goddamn Wordpress, or endorse it in public forums.


I'm fair certain no-one has ever been indicted for participating in a "sinister" cult, bent on a hostile Aeonic takeover. No doubt certain affiliations and activities can land you on a watch list or two, but something as nebulous as Satanism would not merit any serious interest, surely. Perhaps resources would best be used on more concrete threats?

If there were ever a spate of investigations, the suspects would in all likelihood turn out to be a bunch of semen encrusted, albino basement dwellers. Not now, Mom! We're changing the world... Oh, very good. Excessive masturbation has gone to your head, Sonny. Your Father and I did warn you... Awww shucks, Mom. We're serious - just you wait. AGIOS O BARBARELLA!

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#53695 - 04/30/11 07:10 AM Re: ONA and Culling - Anti-future Plan [Re: Zakary]
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 Originally Posted By: Zakary
Myatt walks because he is watched no doubt....... It is funny really, if Myatt would have just stuck to wearing the ONA Satanic vestment as his main ideological garb he may have been able to avoid any significant attention, but pro suicide bombing anti zionist white supremist bumper stickers always get you pulled over by traffic police!


Personally, I deem it detrimental to situation one's self with any radical movement. I cannot see where that is beneficial to any personal progression or manifestation in goals or ideals. Wearing a badge, may get you in the door in some areas, yet when that badge is stripped away where does that leave the person?
In the real world, showing such lack of respect for another individual's rights is a detriment and can be the source of much unnecessary discord.
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#53704 - 04/30/11 08:24 AM Re: ONA and Culling - Anti-future Plan [Re: Crystal9Maat]
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Have you ever considered the option some might not be bothered about such and consider it as an inevitable price to pay?

I'm quite sure Myatt was intelligent enough to realize the consequences of his actions and if he didn't feel these to outweigh the gain, he'd probably invested his time and effort in something else.

The question one should ask themselves is that if one has a specific goal in mind, how much one is willing to pay accomplishing this?

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#53715 - 04/30/11 10:44 AM Re: ONA and Culling - Anti-future Plan [Re: Diavolo]
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 Originally Posted By: Diavolo
I'm quite sure Myatt was intelligent enough to realize the consequences of his actions and if he didn't feel these to outweigh the gain, he'd probably invested his time and effort in something else.


True. Here's the kicker - it's all about practical experience in the real world, exulting in and enjoying the experiences, and taking yourself to and beyond your own limits in everything. Not to mention defying the limits imposed by *others* and governments.

Or, if you like - it's about being Satanic, embodying the Satanic ethos, in a practical way. Or at least - Satanic in the ONA sense \:\)

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#53717 - 04/30/11 11:14 AM Re: ONA and Culling - Anti-future Plan [Re: SinisterMoon]
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Indeed, practical experience always comes at a cost. One can't expect to discover one's own limits, or attempt to go beyond, and not accept eventual consequences attached. Evidently, the deeper one goes down the rabbit hole, the higher these can be.

This should not scare a satanist since it is clearly part of their path.

D.

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#53721 - 04/30/11 11:58 AM Re: ONA and Culling - Anti-future Plan [Re: Diavolo]
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General reply to various comments:

"I'm fair certain no-one has ever been indicted for participating in a "sinister" cult, bent on a hostile Aeonic takeover"

Charlie Mason comes to mind....

"but something as nebulous as Satanism would not merit any serious interest, surely."

The church spent years killing people over it. I am sure that if they could they would do it again. After all, they are having discussions in Rome about what to do about us now as we speak.

"In the real world, showing such lack of respect for another individual's rights is a detriment and can be the source of much unnecessary discord."

Cops and the government will do as they please. They don't care about personal (hippy talk) discord. They are concerned with people who break the law and "public" safety.

"The question one should ask themselves is that if one has a specific goal in mind, how much one is willing to pay accomplishing this?"

That's the ticket. Is what you want worth it in the long run. If so, then there is no laws that will apply or stop someone from doing what their inner desire is.

"...eventual consequences attached. Evidently, the deeper one goes down the rabbit hole, the higher these can be.
This should not scare a satanist since it is clearly part of their path."

The thing is some people don't see it that way. Each person takes their Satanism as far as they feel comfortable going. Everyone's path is not the same, and that is a good thing. Yes, depending what you do, the cost may be high, but some don't feel the experience/time is worth it. Besides, I know what I can do, I really don't care if 50 or 5 share that view. What does matter is if those 5 can have my back. If they can't, fuck 'em they are worth less to me than a boatload of jehovia witnesses.

Action in the real world, verses jerking off in an arm chair....

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#53723 - 04/30/11 12:45 PM Re: ONA and Culling - Anti-future Plan [Re: Morgan]
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Each indeed goes down the rabbit hole as far as they dare and that what scares some might attract others. It is a highly individual path we're on, and experience, obviously, contains only value to the one experiencing it. This of course makes it quite impossible there being “one way” that works for all, and that which we share of our own, only points towards a method; an option, instead of a fixed thing to submit to.

Satanism should be considered open-source; there is something fundamental to work with, but to make it work, an own interpretation and application is required.

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#53726 - 04/30/11 01:43 PM Re: ONA and Culling - Anti-future Plan [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Morgan
Action in the real world, verses jerking off in an arm chair


Yes indeed. That's the essence. Practical deeds in the real world.

AFAIK, AL (aka Myatt) trumps every modern pretender in the *sinister actions in the real world* stakes.

Let's see - Crowley. indulging himself. LaVey - showman blah blah. Aquino - conventional military career, intellectual. Myatt - gangbanger, racketeer; paramilitary; convict; monk; street agitator; political leader; criminal; intellectual; nazi ideologue; terrorist (eg. Copeland et al); Jihadi facilitator; founder of ONA blah blah blah

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