An interesting text, chiefly for its intended provocation. Apart from that I don't see any value in it. It is meant to shock, appall and inspire a sense of revulsion in its reader.

Don't do the crime if you can't do the time

what does not kill or disable me will probably make me stronger.

Good riddance to everything mundane.

WHO do you refer to as mundane?

Well if everything you hold to be 'mundane' is gone, then you have nothing left to be elite over

Paradise on Earth

Truth is, our Satanic duty is not to rid the Earth of all mundanes - but to rule over them. To put them to good use.

Ethics, in the sense of there being a moral distinction made between "us and them" - between mundanes, and we Satanists, with mundanes (and by extension their wealth and property) being regarded as a resource and they themselves as being expendable.

That is, mundanes are inferior. They are worth far less than we are.

For if one accepts an elitist Satanic ONA-like morality - of mundanes and us - and if one accepts we as individuals have a right not to obey the laws of mundanes or bow down to the authority of mundanes, then doesn't it follow that culling some mundanes is not wrong?

You say paradise on earth is to be rid of those you call 'mundane'.

the flaw...

So, by all means, feel free to be all defiant and teen angst and define your existence as anti-herd. Just don't whine when the herd runs you over.

If, on the other hand, you wish to impinge on the lives of others according to your own definitions

"Peasants are often very loyal to inherited power structures that define their rights and privileges and protect them from interlopers, despite their low status within those power structures." - Wiki

The flaw is - and no personal offence meant - too much thinking, and not enough living.

Not enough satanic exultation, sans words; sans thought.

Another flaw is - "we are"; you are; they are. But Life goes on; life flows.

We may differ - but so what? Heresy is Life.

I think my signature is a bit of a give-away - "those who are not our sinister brothers/sisters are mundanes".

All those who are not of our kind.

How do we know our kind? If you have to ask - you don't know

But, put simply, we know, because we have that sinister instinct (aka sinister empathy, or intuition) which enable us to know.

If we ain't got this instinct, we can possibly develop it, via our sinister way and techniques. If we have the right, the Satanic, character to start with.

Yet amazingly you seem to have no problems with a congress of people who have nothing to do with you "impinge" on you life?

In any group you are part of, whining about the rules is pointless. If you don't like it, work until you have sufficient power in the group, then change the rules. Or leave.

If you don't like something your government is doing, either adjust, or get involved/organize to change it, or move somewhere else.

So, if we were speaking about America and Friends military actions in the middle east, and we assume that America and Friends don't like the way things were in Iraq and Afghanistan. Shouldn't the Americans and Friends just participate in their power structure, run for office and change things? Rather than use lethal force?

Also shouldn't the Zetas and associated cartels just run for office to change things within the frame-work of the established power structure? Instead of killing 27,000 citizens and government officials?

Sounds like pick and choose to me

The idea of who is "mundane" and who is "elite" is so subjective

Besides, if you're really "elite" you shouldn't need to get your own hands dirty.

I have no problem with the idea of ending the life of an individual for the right reasons, but more often then not, it seems as if most of the people advocating "culling" come off as unholier-than-thou armchair extremists. We aren't some shadowy, secret cult with arms reaching into every limb of society,

Furthermore, the word "mundane" makes my skin

Furthermore, the word "mundane" makes my skin

Each group knows how to tell its own from Others.

It's up to us to choose. We can stand alone. We can be "mundane" and be sheeple. Or - we can form our own "us".

just about any idiot can think of themselves as elite.

As for “culling,” who are these “elite,” talking about?
Knocking off a couple of street bums sleeping on a bench?

What exactly is your criteria for defining 'us'?

If we're talking ONA, then they have practical guidelines as to how to choose those suitable - practical tests to reveal the mundane of the mundane; those of worthless character.

So anyone that chooses to be their own master rather than go with what is written in ONA mss is automatically mundane or sheeple?

My point is that it’s one thing to come up with an Elitist ideal and philosophy, but a whole different thing to actually live those ideals AND be happy and “Self Actualized,” doing it.

If you say yes they are, can you give some specific examples as to how some of the individuals in ONA are doing it.

If we each all had the liberty to define our own lives and how to life it, and who "us" and "them" is/are. Don't you think each person or group will have very different definitions and criteria? It's all fair in the end actually. I am not included in your "me" you are not included in my "we." Something like that.

Where did this "point" of yours come from? From an apriori opinion you agree with or from an a posteriori personal experience you had?

You are essentially begging somebody in the ONA to show and prove, or Convince you to agree? Whatever happened to proving it to oneself if such concepts work or not? ONA stuff is out there. Is it too hard for you to experiment with it yourself? To determine for yourself if such ONA concepts is worthy of your agreement or not? Why beg other's for answers?

We have or we can develop a sense, an instinct, for sniffing out our own satanic kind - however they may describe themselves, or whatever group, or none, they may belong to.

Anyone who has been in jail - or been a member of a gang - knows this type of instinct.

Some people have this instinct by nature; some others can acquire it, the hard way, by practical experience.

Whatever, it's always personal. Direct.

So, the distinction is between our kind and the others. No labels; no "membership"; no badges; no ideology. No one, no group, telling us who is or who isn't.

Nothing - except our own personal judgement. Our personal, direct, assessment of others. It's our call.

All a group such as the ONA can do is maybe - sometimes - point some people in the right direction; bring out the inner Satanist within some of them.

Kind of like the fat, unmotivated Satanist living in his moms basement, eating sacks of potato chips and telling the world online how elite he/she is because they have such a great understanding of Satanism and all that it encompass, while their only social group in the real world is made up of videos and their girlfriend is their right hand.

However, people claiming that some “ideas,” are superior to any others, while unable or unwilling to give specific details as to how those ideas have helped them obtain specific and tangible results are just full of shit in my humble opinion.

If you are not of my own, you are one of three things: irrelevant, a resource, or an obstacle. I can think of no good reason to devote my precious time or energy to the first group, which is the vast majority, and I deal with the last two in a context specific way that serves my own ends. The idea of devoting my time and energy to either serve or hinder those that do not matter to me in ways that do not benefit me is a completely alien concept to my line of thinking.

1) Show me where Raffy or the post says that "ONA 'ideas' are 'superior' to others.

2) Also go back an re-read the OP, then tell me what the intended objective of the OP was... or what the hidden motive was, and if YOU are the intended audience.

3) Also what makes you believe that the ONA came here to ask for your gracious validation and approval, that ONA should offer up 'evidence?' What other great things are you Self-Entitled to because you are a member of the 600 club?

I post - for comments - part of a controversial, and recent, article from the Order of Nine Angles about culling.

4) When after somebody in the ONA offers your highness evidence, what will happen? Will the world change and become peaceful? Will world hunger end? Will you just love the ONA forever?

5) Why are you incapable of conducting your own experiments, testing out questionable concepts.

And why do you assume that Others in life are incapable like you?

Why would I bother trying to build a utopia? For whom, exactly, am I building it? It seems awfully altruistic to take it upon oneself to off someone he wouldn't have dealt with in the first place. If it doesn't immediately serve my interests to go around whacking people.

I have conducted experiments and have tested questionable concepts. I’m doing that now as a matter of fact. Questioning without anyone willing to give any answers aside from making some general claims.

Remind me of the allegory of the grasshopper and ants. Like the grasshopper asking itself why even bother working like ants, if it is going to die soon. When winter comes you see. Both the ants and grasshopper die.

But in the spring, the grubs of the ants prospers because of the work their colony put in. The offspring of the grasshopper has nothing.

Do you ever realize that its this same way of thinking - "all about me-ism - of grand mothers and parents who thing this way, that causes or contributes to poverty?

Yes, I figured you 'were experimenting.' This medium you are conducting your experiment with is called the INTERNET. What you are using to conduct your experiment with are called IDEAS. What you here consider "experiments" others in the Real World would cosider mental juggling or intellectualizing opinions and ideas.

never forget there is always a bigger dog.

I have enough Martial Arts experience to be able to POSSIBLY fend off one or two attackers in SOME situations, and if I can’t fend them off I can get my ass kicked in style.

My point is that I don't see how "culling" the unworthy would in any way benefit my future offspring [i]or anyone else I care about

And if you had someone - or many - to cover your back you wouldn't get your ass kicked at all.

That's one reason why cooperation between those of a similar kind often works, in real life. That's why "our kind" tend to form and belong to gangs. It works; it's a natural thing, having an extended family like that

Live, exult - not just sit around thinking about it or debating it.

Seems to me that ONA believes that their ideas are superior to that of the “mundanes.”

At the very least we will be able to determine if the ONA is truly made up of “elite” individuals who actually made something of their lives in the real world while adopting the ONA philosophy

I am a bit curious why you would want the 'inner Satanist' brought out of others. I just don't get why it would be a benefit to have more people aggressively pursuing their own interests about, or why these people would collaborate, or on what

the premise of real Satanism is an appreciation and acceptance of the real material world and the pragmatic consequences of ones actions in that world

I am into law and order

not murder

All of you advocates of human culling are not Satanists in my opinion.

One thing I did learn from this thread is that Internet Culture Satanists or Internet Culture *Anybodies* - as I have encountered them - and pseudo-intellectuals seem to have a hard time understanding or apprehending something like the ONA which is based essentially on Praxis and Real World "functionalism."

So your trying to create more Satanists or something? I don't really see a need for that. I have no interest in "changing" or "converting" anyone

Fun to see a whole tread of bickering about who or what is defined as "elite"

Whose law and order am I into? The law which has been legislated into existence by my society.

If I want to enjoy the benefits of my society, then I also must take responsibility and follow the laws of my society.

Satanism has been codified in the works of Dr. LaVey.

Why did Dr. LaVey codify Satanism?

Whose law and order am I into? The law which has been legislated into existence by my society

I am so sick and tired of criminal scum

Unless, of course, you got attacked by a bigger pack.

Interesting statement from someone who just made three posts in a row, and then came back for another one.

Care to expound?

It seems to me that what you advocate here is a return to instincts and a dismissal of rational thought

I am growing tired of keeping up with this pissing contest.

this thread now re-opened by request

Thanks - I appreciate this.

Perhaps it's possible to now merge the other thread I started, here?

My question at the moment is: how exactly would you go about culling people?

AFAIK, there is no laid down methodology, no given praxis - it's an individual thing; as well as an individual choice.

To have it otherwise, would be well - dumb, and impractical.

I'm just trying to learn here

That said, how did you go about doing it yourself and how was it useful?

44 posts, Raffy and no proper introduction yet?

So far as I can see all you want to write about is the ONA and "culling".

I'd be interested to know how you might go about culling me without the help of established methodology or praxis.

Your other examples are similar examples of ad hoc fallacious reasoning.

What matters is individual character and the individual judgement arising from one's own practical experience. Not theoretical examples of what might occur or even what someone told you occurred to someone else somewhere sometime.

If you've ever had to shoot someone before they shot you, you'll know this. You can debate or think all you like of the what if's, of what happened to X and Y some weeks, months,years ago - but there comes a moment of doing. You either do - or you don't. You either shoot or you don't. You can train all you like for such a situation - but in the starkness of the moment, you either do shoot - or you don't. No excuses. No words.

Now, you either feel what's behind my words. Or you don't.

not from a wannabe like you.

I do not recognise you as a Satanist or any other ONA clown as a Satanist either.

Try reading

Ad hoc is...

Culling - a sinister option for unethical (that is, sinister) individuals. Target - mundanes.

Feel beyond the words - action rather than debate; Occult ability and personal character before dogma and before the acceptance of the interpretations of others.

Another question raised would be "unethical?". Upon hearing this I would immediately think of...

This actually sounds like the new-age BS to indicate "I have no fucking idea I'm talking about or what it is I'm talking about but I think it makes sense".

Perhaps a little more study and practice can help you to get things a little more straight.

I think you are getting caught up in a fantasy image.

Culling does not only include "killing" people

Perhaps reading and understanding the Satanic rules, points and bible will give you a better idea.

Used also to provoke - particularly in the sense of getting others to think about the question under discussion.

Perhaps a few less presumptions might help. You don't know my background, and I have no intention of talking about it on an open forum, or indeed, to anyone I haven't met in person.

The word culling as used by the ONA - and this topic is about culling and the ONA - means a specific thing. How others may use the term is therefore irrelevant.

you are what you have written here

So what you basically are saying is...

I have said this thread is about culling in respect of the ONA, which means one specific thing, which is the ONA view in respect of culling. So, the issue here is - culling, meaning the sacrifice of individuals. Anything else is surely OT.

Furthermore, I have said - it is for each individual to decide matters, based on their experience, so your presumption about me "preferring to take the idea of a group..." is not germane, and incorrect.

So what you are pointing at is to discuss the ONA's view of culling?

Therefore, there seems little point in continuing posting here.

A meaningful conversation or a good debate requires a shared vocabulary

Therefore, there seems little point in continuing posting here.

well indicate that a meaningful discussion here is indeed not possible.

That many, it seems, do not understand this, or cannot distance themselves from mundane preconceptions, or cannot prevent themselves from resorting to argumentum ad hominem, may well indicate that a meaningful discussion here is indeed not possible.

If you're satisfied with things as they are, individuality might be the path to take. If you prefer to have more control, an us-structure is the option.

My only issue in this thread, (which is a claim I don't think you personally are making Dia, but correct me if I am mistaken), is that some seem to be making the claim that the only way to be 'individual' or 'exceptional' (read:not mundane) is to participate in such group-think. To me this seems like an absurd concept.

One last post from me and then I will leave this.

The only conclusion illustrated in this thread: that the philosophy of the ONA is the philosophy of criminality.

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It is unethical...

OK, everybody had their go. A word of warning to everyone: either explain yourselves or prepare to be booted. This thread is now locked, since the apparent author of the original document doesn't want to explain any further. Please, let's not do the argument from intimidation again. It is a boring routine.

The only conclusion illustrated in this thread: that the philosophy of the ONA is the philosophy of criminality.

I actually think you may be mentally ill, like psychopathic, based on what you have typed here. I am strongly suggesting, in the most sincere terms, that you seek psychiatric advice for your possible illness.

It is unethical to cull innocent people, do you understand?

Regarding Satanism and criminality, some issues need to be clarified.

My general problem with the ONA's idea of "culling" is they seem to emphasize that it is something that all of their initiates should do, as if it is some kind of religious duty.

The reality is that murder...

The only conclusion illustrated in this thread: that the philosophy of the ONA is the philosophy of criminality. There is no greatness in that work.

Daffy, I actually think you may be mentally ill, like psychopathic, based on what you have typed here. I am strongly suggesting, in the most sincere terms, that you seek psychiatric advice for your possible illness.

Most people aren't mundane, they are hard working and are contributing to their society in a positive way.

An option deriving from the a-moral (unethical) nature of the ONA way, where nothing is forbidden and there are no restrictions placed on individuals. Where there are no prescribed boundaries - and where exeatic experiences are positively encouraged as a means of personal and Occult learning.

So, if some want to indulge in culling - the ONA says: OK, that's fine; it's your choice. The ONA also says: for those who might want to, go ahead and cull a mundane or two, for you might learn something, and might find it an exulting experience.

This is in opposition to what every other LHP or Satanic group says.

However, it seems as though you're suggesting that the ONA has a monopoly on this train of thought,

I am actually growing in favor of this thread. It has gotten me to think about society's laws, morality and amorality.

.. (2) the practical and the necessary application of our individual Satanic judgement.

.. we believe that this is the necessary, the Satanic, thing to do - and because it is, in such circumstances, our responsibility..

.. to so act. To leave such action to mundanes - and the systems they have created - is to abnegate our responsibility and to descend down to their mundane level.

..we do believe (or should believe) that we're better than them, than those mundanes, than those who do not have our Satanic character.

Satanic culling - by Satanic individuals (by "our kind") - can be considered to be (1) an act of natural justice; a restoration of Satanic (sinister) balance; and (2) the practical and the necessary application of our individual Satanic judgement.

It seems to me you are ...nothing but a poser...the massive pile of hypocrisy you are presenting.