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#55868 - 06/15/11 11:14 AM Re: Gut Check: Mosque at Ground Zero? [Re: Nyte]
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I did look up the correct spelling, with both a search and by checking the merrieam webster online dictionary. You appear to have told Dimitri that the word highlighted in yellow is "relict wheat species" hypocritical. As I indicated, minor spelling errors are less important than the meaning of the words being relict wheat species, which is why I did not point this out originally.


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I shrugged off nothing. I will not however explain why I wrote what I did, just for you.


This speaks volumes. Don't bother.

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You shouldn't have constructed a response perhaps? Because from what's obvious, you certainly didn't pay attention to what you tried to dig apart in my response. I never said anything was "good" or "bad". I simply pointed out...Shit happens that's ugly when a country believes themselves to be at war. Again, SO FUCKING WHAT!


While it was perhaps not worth my time, it's always fun seeing somebody RESORT TO CAPS LOCK! And my time is mine to use as I see fit. Your point isn't any "bigger" because the letters are. Ugly things do indeed occur when a country "believes" itself to be at war. For someone professing a hatred of the "high-road" mentality, you seem to both very proud and very defensive of your nation.

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As for the US meddling in other countries’ affairs, then don't bring it to the US. I'd be willing to bet even your country has asked for the US's assistance a time or two. Monetarily, military, and probably more. You're right, we need to get the fuck out of other countries, let them handle their own bullshit, and while we're at it, pull our money assistance as well. Afghanistan and Pakistan would just love losing those millions of dollars in assistance from the US, now wouldn't they?!


This has "vague notions of being better and more humane than others" all over it. You mention Ghostly getting me back on track. I believe what you are refering to is me doing Ghostly the common courtesy of bringing the thread back to the original topic, as I happen to agree with the majority of what he has said. Your mention of this strikes me as the equivalent of yelling "look over there" and running away. I acknowledged that I was going off topic, but did so regardless, briefly, to point out how distasteful and foolish I found your remark on the treatment of prisoners, my comment on this subject being no less valid for not directly relating to the subject of the mosque, as you are the one who brought it up.

Towards the end of your post you appear to have confused my focusing on the particular remark you made with "missing a lot" in your response, which was brief and readable. Nothing was missed.

You further state that I don't know anything about you. Let me assure you that from what little I have seen, I have no desire to know anything more.



(Hegesias, your post reads "RE: Dedalus" at the top, indicating that it is directed towards me. This is the only clear indication of any such direction, as far as I can see. If this was intentional, all I have gathered from this list of generalizations about atheists, men, wolves and, of all things, hippies, is that you consider me to be a tree-hugger for advocating the non-violent treatment of prisoners of war, though this may be a misinterpretation, as nothing is directly addressed to me.

You discuss mans domination of other men due to our "natural impulse". This sounds to me like an "excuse", as there exists such a thing as "impulse control". I certainly see your point, and agree with it to an extent. I do however feel that to claim to have acted on a base instinct is to admit to a lack of discipline. This can be a negative thing in many situations, as far as I'm concerned.

Furthermore, and I really must stress again, if your post was indeed directed towards me, I view my response not as "apolitical conjecture", but as containing less enthusiasm in general for the original subject, which I admittedly deviated from.)
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#55883 - 06/15/11 10:55 PM Re: Gut Check: Mosque at Ground Zero? [Re: Dedalus]
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 Originally Posted By: Dedalus
I did look up the correct spelling, with both a search and by checking the merrieam webster online dictionary. You appear to have told Dimitri that the word highlighted in yellow is "relict wheat species" hypocritical. As I indicated, minor spelling errors are less important than the meaning of the words being relict wheat species, which is why I did not point this out originally.


Verb dipshit....look up the verb usage of SPELT. You have now made it perfectly clear you can't look past the first part of anything or you didn't pay attention in learning English. In trying to make me look like a fool, you've made a complete ass out of yourself. Congratulations.

All the rest of your response is blather since you obviously didn't bother to read the thread as a whole. By the way, thank you for doing Ghostly the common courtesy of getting the thread back on topic and giving me the best laugh at pure stupidity. Cheers.
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#55887 - 06/16/11 03:51 AM Re: Gut Check: Mosque at Ground Zero? [Re: Dedalus]
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I would think it is in all obviousness that we have highlighted the will to power, and likewise, the power of the will not being one in the same thing as a succumbing to every sadistic whim and fancy as compulsion is most certainly not the same drive as impulse and impulse control. If you took the time to read my previous post and direct your attention toward what was being presented for more than one solitary moment, you'd have possibly seen it unfit to point out all obviousness. The impulse toward violence directed by the will, there is no rushing in blindly at every whim and fancy.

The expression of the will is like an art form, and like art, a creative process directed towards something inexplicably felt. I'd consider torturing helpless people a much too vulgar display of power.
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#55894 - 06/16/11 04:55 AM Re: Gut Check: Mosque at Ground Zero? [Re: Hegesias]
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I hate to be the one to point it out, but this topic has been troll fodder since it's inception. Looks like another one of them Fingers-0-Gawd stirred up the trailer park, them bees are lookin' stingy.
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#55896 - 06/16/11 05:26 AM Re: Gut Check: Mosque at Ground Zero? [Re: Dialectical]
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I simply find it distasteful for certain people to assume this and that about Muslims when they are simply people and nothing is special about them as compared to any other person about our civilisation except superficial differences we cannot see past because modern man tends to formalise the abstract effects of the cause of relations that we as living organisms have with respect to each other. This is perfectly natural though and is natures way of keeping us protected from gene pollution as we are tribal and do not work well without direction, multiculturalism being unresolved, ambiguous cognizance due to rationality stultifying religion and vice versa with religionists dismissing the ideas of rationalists, misosophy vs. philosophy if you will. As far as memetic infection goes, all people are susceptible to monotheism under any guise, Judeo-Christian or otherwise, if one is in and about the environment which perpetuates the memetic cacoethes one will either feel compelled to think otherwise or simply accept the ideas about reality as actual reality.

It is a fact that people become victims of their own beliefs, so set in their ways, that they would rather avoid little suffering now and face immense suffering later.

Not that I'd meet anyone with anything less than profound suspicion who is a professed egalitarian or otherwise imposer of slave morality, simply due to all rationality pointing towards epistemological distrust toward the ambiguous, a lucid intelligence related to, but not limited to, misanthropological study.

If I must take sides I'll vote for the self preservation society but seeing as the will to power is stronger than the will to survive I'll not belong there for long.
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#55897 - 06/16/11 05:39 AM Re: Gut Check: Mosque at Ground Zero? [Re: Hegesias]
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Who really gives a shit what moslems do? If nothing is true and everything is permitted, then 9/11 was perfectly acceptable behavior. The act is proof that they have the strength to accomplish their will, and nature demands that the most powerful express their control and destroy whatever they wish.

This thread should have cut the bullshit and went with the title "Are You A Racist? Y/N" because that's what it boils down to. Most people who responded only showed the world how ignorant they are of their own shortcomings, how mired they are in the society they profess to reject by calling themselves satanists, and how incapable they are of reflection.

I'm sick and tired of has-beens quoting Nietzsche in order to promote their own Chauvenistic world-view without having a drop of insight in their "free" minds and completely refusing to live philosophy as searing hot as that man suggested.

I hope the mosque is a slap in the face to the "victims" of this tragedy, if you feel a slap in the face then it's because you deserve it.

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#55899 - 06/16/11 06:02 AM Re: Gut Check: Mosque at Ground Zero? [Re: Hegesias]
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Bit of a late response..
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Hell, for that matter Hussein's own country televised his hanging and many, many people around the entire globe celebrated.
Were they? Or was it simply the different fractions involved with the war? I don't seem to remember any festivities around here in Eurasia... Apart from the authorities which had to react on that matter..

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At least it wasn't a televised beheading of say….a reporter? But let's not go there, right?
As a matter of fact, do so.

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By the way, before you lecture anyone else on writing English correctly again, the word highlighted in yellow is spelt "hypocritical". Fuck, I hate that word! I feel like I'm posting with the goddamned christians again!! That's one of their favorite words to tote about flinging at “non-Christians” like some kind of "high road" badge.
Were you trying to insult? There's no need to mention your personal likings towards that word, it only shows I touched a rather sensitive snare, a little dilemma I called upon you prefer not to see.

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No where in any of Ghostly's responses did he "start with the vague notions of being better and more humane then the others...". But I guess when you need a reason to slam at American's you'll find it in just about any post you read.
The notions I'm getting at is the tone of his post.

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I'd be willing to bet even your country has asked for the US's assistance a time or two. Monetarily, military, and probably more.
Not that I remember, the last time there was a significant assistance was during WW2. Exactly the grandeur I pointed at ;\)

I know I touched a very sensitive snare, your overblown reaction simply strenghtens my point. It's not that I hate the US, there are a few nice lads around, it's only some of the attitudes which bother me and seemingly no one dares to make. Guess I'm a bit eccentric ey .

The point I was originally making (such as daedalus pointed out) was to draw a parallel. If you are going to be patriotic about your country, be sure to include the less positive jumps/negative parts in history. Yell everywhere how powerfull your country is, what great deeds it has performed for the world, include the well-sounding words of freedom,... but always remember the dark side of the coin. And in case you'll miss it: I'll point it out.


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#55900 - 06/16/11 06:03 AM Re: Gut Check: Mosque at Ground Zero? [Re: Dialectical]
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Your attempt to boycott this thread and present a derogatory derailment is characteristic of somebody who does not know the difference between subjugation of the will and what is master morality.

I am NOT a neo-Nazi nor am I one to parrot Nietzsche like a racist would, the man saw the crux of the world and still gets misrepresented by a majority, especially by racists. Each to their own view I suppose but it's rather self debasing to go around parroting lines that look cool when you have no idea what it's all about. I am not a racist but a "racialist" in one respect, which is only a positive affirmation of the diverse aestheticism of women, nothing more nothing less but an appreciation. Arab women are the most feminine and composed ladies, all my problems are with abusive males and the religions that perpetuate the abuse through justification.

Monotheism is the scourge of the earth, Arab people are the most beautifully aesthetic beings, in fact I personally only like females with black eyes and black hair. Hitler's ideal of blue eyes and blonde hair is simply not to my tastes. Just how I'm inclined sorry to disappoint you.

I can not speak for all Satanists but the imposed slave morality in and around monotheism makes me feel lethal. The subjugation of the will is not anything to do with Satanism.

The overman does not subjugate the will of others, he is too busy affirming a "yes" to others who would work toward common goals with him. The overman is not a race or a creed, he is a state of mind which seeks to overcome himself.

In attempting to insinuate that anyone who applies the concepts outlined by Nietzsche as a racist parroting what are his musically natured aphorisms as fundamental dictations, you have merely projected your misrepresentational views in the same way Hitler did unto Nietzsche.


As I outlined earlier, a terrorist attack is about as rare as a plane crash. Underground gangs are not interested in monotheism except to use it as a network and gangs are quite necessary to defend our country believe or not, who has the man power, the weapons and the money? Genuine monotheists are entitled to their slave morality, nobody is interested in interfering with them or their lives, unless they impose on the productivity of our personal lives.
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#55902 - 06/16/11 06:28 AM Re: Gut Check: Mosque at Ground Zero? [Re: Hegesias]
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Hegesias, if I were moderating this forum the thread would have been locked and/or trashed about 5 posts in.

My comments are general statements about numerous different posts, none of which you were involved with. You strike me as the one person on this forum who has taken the time to read Nietzsche, and I appreciate a lover of books.

I would like to point out that your definition of "master morality" sounds more like the kind of liberalism that goes hand in hand with the Crowley 'do as thou wilst, whole of thee law' ethos. Nietzsche believed that slave morality positively benefited the condition of humanity, and to ignore this is doing him a disservice.

I'm really not going to comment on what kind of woman you find attractive.

Let me tell you what I think is racist. I think that when a person says that it's okay to take pictures of naked Iraqis because exploiting others is satanic, and then talks about how disrespectful a building is to the "people of New York" (whoever the fuck that is) because of the people who want it and the building's purpose, the person is a hypocrite and a racist.

One more thing, if I were moderating this chat a whole lot of these satanists would be purged for their overt fascist, racist, and right-wing sympathies. I make no apologies for hating social scum hiding their prejudices under the umbrella of freedom of speech.


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#55905 - 06/16/11 07:25 AM Re: Gut Check: Mosque at Ground Zero? [Re: Dialectical]
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OK, lets ruin the thread with some positivity.

I am not siding with Islam but I understand the covering of females with my own interpretation, only insofar as to display the female form gratuitously is to disrespect the ultimate sacredness of the female body. I feel when a man lays eyes on his women it ought to be overwhelming and profound, savoured for the most intimate experience in life. It is only when females feel insecure that they try and make themselves "improved" with superficiality as do men I presume, this is unnecessary as there is nothing more beautiful on the earth than the expression of love on a woman's face. Just my personal opinion.


But you can get the same appreciation from those intelligent librarian type females that don't wear any make up or try to be fantastic, a plain lady knows love. Now I'm going to be derailed as a classical sexist or something. Don't get me wrong I'm quite the libertine in the bedroom (or woods) There is a difference between people expressing themselves as a form of extreme individualism through the medium of art than women "dressing" promiscuously because they feel they are not the epitome of beauty to man by the expression they wear on their face.

I dislike propagandists because I visualise a troll hiding behind a computer that would have little to say upon meeting me in real life, I make a good set-up to stultify and draw out the woodwork, those who are that way.

Ignorance disgusts me so much that a malicious dialectical approach is most satisfying. The hubris of racist mundanes is so inwardly nauseating, so invincibly ignorant, that the air in the room turns thick with disgust, one feels a mixture of disappointment and revulsion.

What gets me is that I can look at any race of woman and feel positive emotions, appreciation and nothing but respect. When a man is saying misogynistic and racist things together I feel like hurting him, it's just one of those things. There is no argument to support some kind of fortitude that is required to be strong enough to be cruel to women as some kind of noble ideological cause. Saying that my views are far more primitive and blunt than Nazism, I justify excessive violence to anyone who defines themselves suitable by their very deeds indicative of a diseased character. It's all about manners, my sense of humour is as black as it comes and in no way does anyone need to walk on eggshells around me, a diseased character is a diseased character.

The idea is to present an rhetorical text with traps in subtext, emotive phrases, only the short attention span will jump to conclusions for me to further dismantle what I have set out to devalue, to level the field for a revaluation— Active nihilism.

I'm somewhat of a misanthropological scholar, it is humankind's inability to affirm what is positive about life that is sorrowful and disappointing, the lack of enthusiasm and freedom of expression I observe.

Taking distasteful pictures of Arab ladies is simply ignoble and projecting that the one who considers such as fantastic as sexually immature. Amerika Porn is distasteful and unsatisfactory for me, always was, half assed and mechanical. I would never equate perfectly captured female beauty in photography with westernised porn. The Americans in those porn videos always have an awkward gait like they have no grasp of intimacy, dispassionate and immature. Even the media portrayal of bdsm is some plastic representation of materialistic narcissism.

It is not until they attempt to express themselves that they become aware of their lack of imagination through seeing their abysmal efforts of self-expression resulting in disinterest from their partners, they become aware of how unaccustomed they are to thinking anything through.

I'm just one of those cold hard nature types who's always believed in feral sexuality. I dislike abstract materialism that is derogatory unto what would otherwise be primal.

Concerning feminism, one of the things I appreciate the most about the Nordic culture, and specifically Euro-pagan matriarchal cultures and societies, is the great respect for women. Euro-pagan matriarchal cultures and societies had great respect for women. I would would not tolerate misogyny.
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#55907 - 06/16/11 09:12 AM Re: Gut Check: Mosque at Ground Zero? [Re: Dimitri]
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Dimitri....bear in mind, that as you point out faults in the US and of others, your own personal faults show. Americans have a right to accept or deny such things as that mosque in the USA and no amount of your snide comments about any history can change that.

It's fun to have it affirmed that your own nation and those immediately around you have enjoyed the helpfulness of the US and when convenient, it's populous feels no hesitation in taking a dig at America or it's people. More than once you have affirmed what so many Americans have said for years about the US helping other countries. You might want to look a little closer at what assistance (money, military, trade, etc.) has been had since WW2, not only by your own country but by those immediately around you. Those too affect your own country. If you think your country stands completely alone, then you are a complete idiot.

Pointing out that your own country has probably asked for assistance from the US is grandeur? Really? Then your belly aching is what exactly? That's right....You drew a "parallel" and Dadelous was sure it was a "comparison". You two are comical, in an odd kind of way.
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#55908 - 06/16/11 09:24 AM Re: Gut Check: Mosque at Ground Zero? [Re: Dialectical]
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 Originally Posted By: Dialectical
Let me tell you what I think is racist. I think that when a person says that it's okay to take pictures of naked Iraqis because exploiting others is satanic, and then talks about how disrespectful a building is to the "people of New York" (whoever the fuck that is) because of the people who want it and the building's purpose, the person is a hypocrite and a racist.

One more thing, if I were moderating this chat a whole lot of these satanists would be purged for their overt fascist, racist, and right-wing sympathies. I make no apologies for hating social scum hiding their prejudices under the umbrella of freedom of speech.


About the time you take away someone else's practice of "free speech", your own might surely be taken away as well. I would rather have someone open their mouth and spew their hate (of any kind) so I know whom they really are, than to keep quiet and wonder what they really are capable of. To quiet and sensor some one puts them at a greater advantage.
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#55910 - 06/16/11 11:05 AM Re: Gut Check: Mosque at Ground Zero? [Re: Dialectical]
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 Originally Posted By: Dialectical
Let me tell you what I think is racist. I think that when a person says that it's okay to take pictures of naked Iraqis because exploiting others is satanic, and then talks about how disrespectful a building is to the "people of New York" (whoever the fuck that is) because of the people who want it and the building's purpose, the person is a hypocrite and a racist.

One more thing, if I were moderating this chat a whole lot of these satanists would be purged for their overt fascist, racist, and right-wing sympathies. I make no apologies for hating social scum hiding their prejudices under the umbrella of freedom of speech.


Lets dissect this shall we.

Once again the thread bears no semblance to the credibility of porn of any kind, women in particular (at least by me) or morality in regards to sexual fetish. What it should be continuing to discuss is the purpose, and regard for a religious building, in this case a mosque, on or near the site of the world trade center. The "gut check" in question, is do we as a nation, or more locally as with me...allow the perpetrators who admitted to planning an executing this heinous act to build a mosque where the previous buildings had collapsed.

"the people of new york" (whoever the fuck that is)" would be people like Me, Morgan(not speaking for her but she lives closer then I do) for starters. Your ignorance is quite apparent, and pretentious in that you expected this erroneous detail to bear any kind of weight for an educated audience.

I dont want a mosque in the epicenter of 9/11 specifically for the purposes of robbing Muslims of their decided victory. Christians, and Muslims were known to build their own religious buildings over the ashes of the ones they conquered. It is a demonstration of superiority. A conqueror humiliates his subdued enemy. This is preached in the Qur'an. (I looked it up just to appease Nemesis)

All these details about why the spread of Islam is a problem, which goes beyond the scope of this thread was in the video I graciously provided for viewing to the members of this forum.

Islam: what the west needs to know

For those of you who missed it the last time. You're welcome.

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One more thing, if I were moderating this chat a whole lot of these satanists would be purged for their overt fascist, racist, and right-wing sympathies. I make no apologies for hating social scum hiding their prejudices under the umbrella of freedom of speech.


Im glad ignorant, pretentious people like yourself moderate nothing, as we would all suffer for it.
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#55920 - 06/16/11 01:24 PM Re: Gut Check: Mosque at Ground Zero? [Re: Dialectical]
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Who really gives a shit what moslems do? If nothing is true and everything is permitted, then 9/11 was perfectly acceptable behavior.


Who here has made the claim that nothing is true and everything is permitted?

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...nature demands that the most powerful express their control and destroy whatever they wish.


Oh does it? Then we have the right to destroy Islam if we wish.

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This thread should have cut the bullshit and went with the title "Are You A Racist? Y/N" because that's what it boils down to.


Wrong. Islam is a religion not a race. Muslim is a religious identity not a racial identity. Calling someone a racist may trump all in other places, but not here.

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I'm sick and tired of has-beens quoting Nietzsche in order to promote their own Chauvenistic world-view without having a drop of insight in their "free" minds and completely refusing to live philosophy as searing hot as that man suggested


You are tilting at windmills.


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Let me tell you what I think is racist. I think that when a person says that it's okay to take pictures of naked Iraqis because exploiting others is satanic, and then talks about how disrespectful a building is to the "people of New York" (whoever the fuck that is) because of the people who want it and the building's purpose, the person is a hypocrite and a racist.


Just because you think it, doesn't mean it is correct. In fact, judging from your posts, if you think it then it is most likely wrong.

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One more thing, if I were moderating this chat a whole lot of these satanists would be purged for their overt fascist, racist, and right-wing sympathies. I make no apologies for hating social scum hiding their prejudices under the umbrella of freedom of speech.


Restricting speech and attempting to silence anyone who doesn't agree with you is a very Fascist thing to do. So who is the hypocrite now?
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#55922 - 06/16/11 01:30 PM Re: Gut Check: Mosque at Ground Zero? [Re: Dialectical]
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 Originally Posted By: Dialectical
One more thing, if I were moderating this chat a whole lot of these satanists would be purged for their overt fascist, racist, and right-wing sympathies. I make no apologies for hating social scum hiding their prejudices under the umbrella of freedom of speech.


Ola my friend, as a fascist I should feel offended but when reading some of your opinions, I can't but see a kindred soul. That right or left-wing prefix, we both know they're merely used in jest.

Above all, we both just love repressive systems don't we?

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