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#4168 - 02/13/08 12:14 AM Stolen Generation
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AUSTRALIAN APOLOGY - THE REAL ONE

We apologise for giving you doctors and free medical care, which allows you to survive and multiply so that you can demand apologies.

We apologise for helping you to read and teaching you the English language and thus we opened up to you the entire European civilisation, thought and enterprise.

We feel that we must apologise for building hundreds of homes for you, which you have vandalised and destroyed.

We apologise for giving you law and order which has helped prevent you from slaughtering one another and using the unfortunate for food purposes.

We apologise for developing large farms and properties, which today feed you people, where before, you had the benefits of living off the land and starving during droughts.

We apologise for providing you with warm clothing made of fabric to replace the animal skins you used before.

We apologise for building roads and railway tracks between cities and building cars so that you no longer have to walk over harsh terrain.

We apologise for paying off your vehicle when you fail to pay the installments

We apologise for giving you free travel anywhere, whenever..

We apologise for giving each and every member of your family $100.00 and free travel to attend an aboriginal funeral.

We apologise for not charging you rent on any lands when white people have to pay.

We apologise for giving you interest free loans.

We apologise for developing oil wells and minerals, including gold and diamonds which you never used and had no idea of their value.

We apologise for developing Ayers rock and Kakadu, and handing them over to you so that you get all the money.

We apologise for allowing taxpayers money paid towards daughters' wedding ($8,000.00 each daughter)

We apologise for giving you $1.7 billion per year for your 250,000 people, which is $48,000.00 per aboriginal man, woman and child.

We apologise for working hard to pay taxes that finance your welfare, medical care, education, etc to the tune of $1.2 billion each year.

We apologise for you having to approach the aboriginal affairs department to verify the above figures. For the trouble you will have identifying the "uncle toms" in your own community who are getting richer and leaving some of you living in squalor and poverty.

We do apologise. We really do.

We humbly beg your forgiveness for all the above sins. We are only too happy to take back all the above and return you to the paradise of the "outback", whenever you are ready.
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#4174 - 02/13/08 02:17 AM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: DaVinci]
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We humbly beg your forgiveness for all the above sins. We are only too happy to take back all the above and return you to the paradise of the "outback", whenever you are ready.


Are you fucking kidding me? Do you really believe that before the white invasion of Australia, the aboriginals only lived in the outback? You don't think they favoured the nicer areas as we do?

I think what you have written above is very racist and ignorant. And I for one do not want to be catagorized under the same 'aussie' label as you.

Disgusted,

Zeph
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#4177 - 02/13/08 03:06 AM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
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We humbly beg your forgiveness for all the above sins. We are only too happy to take back all the above and return you to the paradise of the "outback", whenever you are ready.


Are you fucking kidding me? Do you really believe that before the white invasion of Australia, the aboriginals only lived in the outback? You don't think they favoured the nicer areas as we do?

I think what you have written above is very racist and ignorant. And I for one do not want to be catagorized under the same 'aussie' label as you.

Disgusted,

Zeph


By all means, do continue to attack something you fail to fathom and/or comprehend. If I had written that article I would have labelled it as such, and put a relevant "Article by, DaVinci" at the bottom. Clearly you have failed to see the point in said article and wish to jump on the band-wagon and take it out of context to deem it as "racist" or an attack directly on the Aboriginal race.

As for your "favoured nicer areas" statement, what has that got to do with the topic at hand? Nothing. You're asuming, and asuming is never a good tactic to use when debating a topic such as this. Again, for your own clarification: The article was not composed by me.

State your opinion, don't jump on the band-wagon and immediately begin character-attacks. Though you seem to lack any education on the subject, so debate at this present time would prove counter-productive and would only result in more of your gracious attacks at bay.

I also noticed you quoted only one sentence from that entire article - which would lead me to believe that you can atleast agree on most of the statements made. So, exactly what is your opinion on the Apology to the Stolen Generation?
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#4178 - 02/13/08 03:09 AM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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I'm shocked at the disaproval Zeph, are the statements mentioned not true, or are you simply annoyed and over-exaggerating this fact, simply by the use of the word outback.

Let's face it. It's not racist what was said, it's observation. Even if the aboriginies did live in these "nicer areas" they still lived like fucking cavemen. What you're arguing is semantics in a desperate attempt to cover the issue addressed by this satirical peice with a mixture of racist accuations and nationalistic disgust. Com'on Zeph, you're better than that.
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#4182 - 02/13/08 05:07 AM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: TornadoCreator]
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If I had written that article I would have labelled it as such, and put a relevant "Article by, DaVinci" at the bottom.
Really? Well I hadn't read that particular clause in your introduction.
In general, if you reprint an article or composition or opinion by someone else and don't credit the source it's going to look like it was written by you. It's this lack of credit to the proper auther that 'led me to beleive' it was written by you.

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I also noticed you quoted only one sentence from that entire article - which would lead me to believe that you can at least agree on most of the statements made.


Well your belief would be totally wrong. I don't feel it is necessary to quote the complete article. I chose one sentence that I found the most ridiculous and used it. I'm seeing too much quoting of lengthy posts only to address one or two lines for my personal taste lately.

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State your opinion, don't jump on the band-wagon and immediately begin character-attacks.

What band wagon? Looks like I was the first to respond.

 Originally Posted By: ZephyrGirl
I think what you have [color=red]written [/color] above is very racist and ignorant. And I for one do not want to be catagorized under the same 'aussie' label as you.

They were my 'thoughts' on the written subject matter. A character attack would be - "I think you're a fuckwit, racist, trigger happy looser", which you'll note, is not what I wrote.

As for my opinion on the Apology to the Stolen Generation I think it is a good thing. Sure, there are probably a percentage of Aboriginals that are ungrateful scumbags that don't deserve it, but is that any reason to deny those that do deserve it, the opportunity to begin to heal and put it behind them?
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#4184 - 02/13/08 07:15 AM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: DaVinci]
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I wouldn't say that the original post is racist, per se...But it IS pretty ignorant in terms of value judgment and perspective.

You are under the false impression that aboriginal people were in a constant state of suffering until you came along and "blessed" them with modern convenience.

Seriously...Interest-free loans? What kind of fucking white elephant is THAT? Where are the casinos?!

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#4185 - 02/13/08 07:46 AM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Really? Well I hadn't read that particular clause in your introduction. In general, if you reprint an article or composition or opinion by someone else and don't credit the source it's going to look like it was written by you. It's this lack of credit to the proper auther that 'led me to beleive' it was written by you.


Seemings as its original source has been taken offline, I felt no need to off-link to the original source as it would only waste valuable time and would be a broken link.

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What band wagon? Looks like I was the first to respond.


"Disgusted" "Racist" "Ignorant" etc. are all jumping on the band-wagon and throwing accusations across the board. You jumped to conclusions, stating that what was written was a racist statement by myself. If I did not credit myself as being the author; then you have jumped on the band-wagon.

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As for my opinion on the Apology to the Stolen Generation I think it is a good thing. Sure, there are probably a percentage of Aboriginals that are ungrateful scumbags that don't deserve it, but is that any reason to deny those that do deserve it, the opportunity to begin to heal and put it behind them?


Why should we apologise? Are we the one's who commited such offences? No. Did we condone, advocate or participate in said offences? No. I sure as hell didn't, and most people alive today didn't. Why should we all be forced to apologise to a bunch of ungrateful morons who are saying now that an apology from the Government and the rest of the Australian Community isn't 'good enough'?

Apparently what we have provided for them just isn't good enough. So why bother trying to be nice to someone when you know for a fact that they're just going to literally throw it straight back in your face?
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#4192 - 02/13/08 04:11 PM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: DaVinci]
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Seemings as its original source has been taken offline, I felt no need to off-link to the original source as it would only waste valuable time and would be a broken link.
Yes, yes, much better people here think that YOU wrote it. I notice that in your signature you quote Jose Narosky, without linking it to an outside source. You could have quite easily done the same thing.

Actually the fact that you then didn't comment on the piece yourself, choosing rather to plagerise it, tells me much about you DaVinci.

From now on I shall be taking it, that everything you put up here has been similarly stolen.

"Next"........- Morgan ;\)

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Why should we apologise? Are we the one's who commited such offences? No.


Oh, I didn't realise they wanted you out there personally apologizing. Jeez, here I was thinking it was the Government that apologized..........

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Why should we all be forced to apologise to a bunch of ungrateful morons who are saying now that an apology from the Government and the rest of the Australian Community isn't 'good enough'?


I'm not going to argue whether they are grateful or not. Some are, some aren't and like I said in my last post is that enough reason to deny those who ARE grateful?

I suggestion Davinci, if you are going to post something that was totally written by someone else, credit them with it and then comment on it. If we were to all use your attitude and post articles with no comment, it would fast become boring around here.

Zeph
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#4195 - 02/13/08 05:41 PM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Yes, yes, much better people here think that YOU wrote it. I notice that in your signature you quote Jose Narosky, without linking it to an outside source. You could have quite easily done the same thing.

Actually the fact that you then didn't comment on the piece yourself, choosing rather to plagerise it, tells me much about you DaVinci.

From now on I shall be taking it, that everything you put up here has been similarly stolen.

"Next"........- Morgan


Please, do elaborate on what you happen to 'know' so much about me. Signatures do not require an outside link, if incase you have come under recent retina-raging disadvantages, you will notice that it is a quote with the original authors name set beside. As for placing a name on the article, the author him/herself never labeled it as such and, because it has been entered into public domain, it can be used as please with no copyright notices.

So, quit your whining child and come up with something new other than the fact the original author and myself have not labeled the article with a name.

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Oh, I didn't realise they wanted you out there personally apologizing. Jeez, here I was thinking it was the Government that apologized..........


I'm guessing here you're as bad at politics as you are at cooking. Let me put this in small-mind mode just for you: Australian Government is elected by Australian citizens, said elected Government works on behalf of said citizens. Said Government also represents the voice of said citizens to other nations, as well as their own.

In other words "If they're apologising, I'm technically included in that."

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I suggestion Davinci, if you are going to post something that was totally written by someone else, credit them with it and then comment on it. If we were to all use your attitude and post articles with no comment, it would fast become boring around here.


I would take your suggestion, but I don't intend on changing my personality at any stage during my life. I would also take your suggestion if I deemed taking your suggestion/s worthy of consideration. However after your responses you've made it quite clear that you're as ignorant as the article you claim to despise. It would be an oxymoron to accept any form of 'suggestion' from yourself.

"Next"........- Morgan ;\)
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#4197 - 02/13/08 06:45 PM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: DaVinci]
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As for placing a name on the article, the author him/herself never labeled it as such and, because it has been entered into public domain, it can be used as please with no copyright notices.


Actually, you are WRONG.


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I'm guessing here you're as bad at politics as you are at cooking.
Gee it didn't take you long to start throwing insults. Bad at cooking? Whatever on earth gave you that idea?
Thanks for the laugh though. I'm going to now ignore any more of your childish baiting and let this thread speak loud and clearly for itself!

In self service,

ZephyrGirl
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#4199 - 02/13/08 08:10 PM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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Gee it didn't take you long to start throwing insults. Bad at cooking? Whatever on earth gave you that idea?
Thanks for the laugh though. I'm going to now ignore any more of your childish baiting and let this thread speak loud and clearly for itself!


I figured if you had to sink as low; I'd sink with you. Afterall, a good soldier never leaves a man behind. ;\) Besides, clearly you lack any moral standards when it comes to throwing racist accusations around the room - so debate at this point is nonexistant, and why would I waste my time debating with someone who's a hypocrite to their own statements?

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Actually, you are WRONG.


Actually, I'm right. As the author has not been verified, anyone who publishes said article is infact within their rights. If the site does not hold said contents Copyright, then it is entered into public domain and can then be used for personal, non-commercial purposes. If I was attempting to sell the article, then it would be a different story.

Moving on. If you have nothing of value or interest to contribute to the threads herein, then don't respond in the future. ;\)
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#4213 - 02/13/08 09:55 PM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: DaVinci]
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If I might dare to throw Satanic philosophy around in here...

One of the foundational texts of Modern Satanism is "Might is Right" by Ragnar Redbeard aka the New Zealander known as Arthur Desmond. What would Ragnar have to say about this. Is this a Satanic position?

No society has very much value to the mass of the human race (or to it's self) if it does not survive to further propagate it's culture. You could be the most enlightened culture of all time but this is worthless if Huns wipe you off the face of the earth.
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#4215 - 02/13/08 11:33 PM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: DaVinci]
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If I had written that article I would have labelled it as such, and put a relevant "Article by, DaVinci" at the bottom.
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Seemings as its original source has been taken offline, I felt no need to off-link to the original source as it would only waste valuable time and would be a broken link.
It was obvious to me that you weren't the author of the article. However, that being said, you should have sited your source. It looks like you tried to pass this off as your own writing. Whether that source is now a dead link or not, users should know it's source.

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As for using quotes from silly authors to prove a religious point; I would not stoop to such levels. When engaging in debate one must voice HIS/HER OPINIONS and not the ideals, values, and opinions of those who especially, do not currently reside on the earth and live in society as we know it. The point of debate is to have your say, not to tell tales of the bewildered.
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Often at times if I am engaged in debate with someone, and they post quote here and quote there, I find it hard to take them seriously. By doing so they lack the ability to show any volume, substance or character in their debate tactics. Having to resort to quotes (as a means for opinion) doesn't justify anything - it only shows that he/she does not hold a valid opinion of their own and thus; people like me will come along and rip their argument to pieces.
So which are we to believe? You post an opinion of someone else, having stated that you would not stoop to that level. Do you not hold a valid opinion of your own? Are you going to rip your own argument to shreds now? Very oxymoronic.
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#4216 - 02/13/08 11:33 PM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: Fist]
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As I'm not a Satanist, and don't rely on the thoughts of others to justify my own opinions, it is not my place to say what I believe Ragnar would have said. None of us know what he would have said, nor does the opinion of a dead-man matter at this present moment. This isn't an attack against what you said, it's just if one takes the opinions and views of a dead man, one is as bad as Christianity.

This isn't a Satanic position, as Satanic value and ideology does not control the Government here in Australia (not that I'm aware of anyway) because the only thing controlling this Government is the front-bench. The opinion and view of the average-Joe and Susie doesn't matter when it comes to subjects such as this.

The Aboriginal's believe we owe them everything, that we destroyed this country, etc. etc. However, what they fail to remember is that those who participated in those offences commited decades ago, have since perished. Most of them repented on their death beds to apologise for what had happend. Why should they be allowed to demand apologies off of those who have done nothing wrong?

Why should we apologise for the actions of those commited decades ago? If you want to bring Satanic Philosophy into it, then look at a simple LaVey quote "Responsibility to the responsible." I sure as hell won't take the responsibility for someone else's actions, nor will I ever apologise for something I have not commited.

In Australia; it is practically the opposite of every multi-cultured country on the planet. The black man has more rights, receives benefits that the white man isn't entitled to, etc. So, as to why they are demanding apologies from ourselves and the Government is beyond me. I think we've done enough to attempt to handle the situation by providing them with different things over the years. They receive more assistance from the Government then any of us do.
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#4217 - 02/13/08 11:36 PM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: fakepropht]
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It was obvious to me that you weren't the author of the article. However, that being said, you should have sited your source. It looks like you tried to pass this off as your own writing. Whether that source is now a dead link or not, users should know it's source.


Very true. I indeed failed to provide a source however, just after I had copied and pasted it, the source had disappeared. I don't know why or how, unless it was an AFP matter, but the source was gone. That also being said, even though it was located on a website, there was no author name or illustrational name located within the article.

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So which are we to believe? You post an opinion of someone else, having stated that you would not stoop to that level. Do you not hold a valid opinion of your own? Are you going to rip your own argument to shreds now? Very oxymoronic.


What I posted isn't an opinion, it's FACT. I don't post the opinions of anyone else bar my own. It was to simply show the rest of you what the facts are behind the recent 'Stolen Generation Apology' so that you may understand a little better.
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