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#4312 - 02/18/08 11:20 AM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: ZephyrGirl]
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I've been an active member of the forum now for 4 months. That's plenty of time so don't treat me like some n00b that walked in three days ago, I've been here almost as long as yourself and I've been considerably more active during this time as well.

Secondly, I'm not looking to start flame wars, that's just purile. I am however going to make my opinions heard and have a go at people that attempt to turn our forum into nothing more than a troll board. I don't care is my opinions mean nothing to you. If the only people you're going to listen to are the moderators you are a sad and immature person who is going to become resented by everyone else in here. This is a gathering of intellectuals, not the spam on 4Chan's /b/ or Something Awful, don't dismiss them just because they can't ban you.

Also, I will point out, the blue nametag means that my posts have merit. It is not licence to rule over you but I have it and you don't. The reason I have it is because I have contributed a lot to the site and continue to do so as best I can. Have respect for it, those of us with these nametags have actually EARN'T them. That's not to say you haven't contributed, but, actually it does make me an important member of the site.
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#4318 - 02/18/08 03:27 PM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Just because you're a post whore and I tend to post only when something really moves me to do so, does not mean that you are anymore of an important part of this forum.

If this forum was just about the people with blue nametags it would be pretty slow and boring. Actually, you have your own 'special' forum, which I noticed is yet to be used and is currently 'closed'. No one can be too rushed to want to hear what you've got to say away from the uunintelligent, childish masses as myself.

Right now, there are at least 5 people on this forum who have at one stage or another had a blue nametage like yourself. Are you trying to tell me that their posts no longer have merit?

The point that you are so obviously failing to grasp is that I was also making my opinions heard, something that I will do as vehemenantly as yourself and have no intention of turning this site into a troll board. Arguments happen here that are not always conducted in the manner which you seem to have decided they should have.

If you read through the posts again, you will see that DaWenchy and I had already agreed to disagree and it probably was only kept going by yourself, so if you don't think that's starting a lot of bullshit, then you're a complete zombie.

SA_TAN aka Zephyrgirl
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#4319 - 02/18/08 04:24 PM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Hi just showing I’m never afraid to add my thoughts, and have changed for no one… I am also not here to defend anybody, as they are fully capable…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
I've been an active member of the forum now for 4 months. That's plenty of time so don't treat me like some n00b that walked in three days ago, I've been here almost as long as yourself and I've been considerably more active during this time as well.

Many of us have been around for years TC, not counting the downtime of the site either… Zeph was a member of the last incarnation of the forum… So please do think about that when you compare and praise your four months like a medal…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Secondly, I'm not looking to start flame wars, that's just purile. I am however going to make my opinions heard and have a go at people that attempt to turn our forum into nothing more than a troll board.

As we all should… You should also remember that there are moderators on this forum that are active…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
I don't care is my opinions mean nothing to you. If the only people you're going to listen to are the moderators you are a sad and immature person who is going to become resented by everyone else in here.

To me TC saying that someone not caring about your opinion doesn’t bother you, is a clear indicator that it does… To say that all will resent Zeph is only a fabrication of your perception…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
This is a gathering of intellectuals, not the spam on 4Chan's /b/ or Something Awful, don't dismiss them just because they can't ban you.

You are just another user here TC that is the reality of it all… This site has an owner and most of us appreciate the fact that he put this place here… I myself think the place improved now that he is back in action… You enjoy his creation then why not respect his enforcement system that allows even your behavior?

There can be a lesson in anything said, I think very little written thought is ever totally dismissed here…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
Also, I will point out, the blue nametag means that my posts have merit. It is not licence to rule over you but I have it and you don't.

And people tried to tell me that the blue name thing went to my head? There was an old post that explained the whole colored names thing… Too bad you cannot read it…

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
The reason I have it is because I have contributed a lot to the site and continue to do so as best I can. Have respect for it, those of us with these nametags have actually EARN'T them.

I can just sit and chuckle at all of this… Earned a colored name on an internet forum… What are you? What have you become?

 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
That's not to say you haven't contributed, but, actually it does make me an important member of the site.

Well it is working for you then…

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You seem overly emotional in all of this… I remember reading something about you being depressed now you seem overly self important and angry … I don’t remember if you told us or not if you are bipolar but chill out yourself man…

Think about all this off topic bickering you have started… At least the two that started disagreeing were on topic…

You have issues friend, just like your need to rephrase my words to turn my question written to make someone think for him or herself, into your command to stop quoting posts…

Have a nice day

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#4324 - 02/18/08 08:17 PM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: ta2zz]
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Ok. I think I'm going to leave this topic as it is now. It's not worth the pointless arguing. It's getting nowhere, for everyone in question and just causing stupid bickering... plus I've serverely lost the high ground now reading back on it... I was still right though because I say so, and I'm always right.

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Earned a colored name on an internet forum… What are you? What have you become?


The guy with the blue name who has too much free time on his hands and a slight superiority complex. I'm not going to delude myself otherwise. It may be a pointless achievement but it's still something.

You are however, ta2zz, the third person to suggest that I may be bipolar this week alone. Strange. I never even considered it before.
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#4325 - 02/18/08 09:16 PM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: DaVinci]
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I'm going to go out on a limb and address the original topic at hand. Quite honestly, the only ones who have valid opinions on this issue are Australians, both the native Aboriginies and the descendants of British convicts. What's going on there is not quite the same as what went on with the Spanish and English conquering America's Native tribes, or enslavement of African peoples. It started out in a similar manner, what with the British thinking that these poor souls needed some 'culture' and 'civilization', and the worst thing of all--'religion'.

But here's my opinion anyhow--

Americans know they fucked up an entire continent inhabited by these indigenous tribes, socially, economically and environmentally. We get that. We learn about it in school. We don't have this lingering guilt about the whole thing though, because while the Indians were at the bottom end of society for a very long period of time, we've more than made up for their suffering in giving them protected land (okay, it's the size of a mobile home plot in some cases, but the Indians are so rich now from owning casinos they're buying much of it back for their communities so it evens out), there are tax exemptions for them (because we gave them blankets of disease), blah blah blah.

As Ta2zz pointed out, the majority of our ancestors were not slave owners, were not part of the original settlements that started wars with the natives, but were simply immigrants fleeing disease and poverty in their homelands. My family emigrated from Ireland, Germany and England to the New England area in the late 1900's. While it's a popular emotion to indulge in at the moment, I harbor no "white guilt", because I didn't DO anything, my family didn't do anything, and if anyone thinks that they're gonna pull some unjustified guilt trip on me they can go fuck themselves, whether they're black, red, yellow or the purple pecker eater.

But the "oppressed" cultures that have forced this "conscience" upon white people during the past 100 years is experiencing a hell of a backlash. White people are getting sick and fucking tired of being made to feel bad about things that happened so long ago they had to learn about it in text books. Apologies have been made, thousands of Martin Luther King memorials have been erected across the country, February has been designated as "Black History Month", etc. The realization that black people have had more than enough opportunities given to them (at the expense of other citizens) to become educated, succeed, and live the American dream, and what have most of them done with it? Taken their check from the government and used it to buy 24" rims for their Lincoln Navigators, get a couple of pairs of pants from Sean John, purses and wallets from Louis Vuitton, that sort of thing.

The Native American tribes have done a little better with themselves. They've retained much of their culture and dignity, and many have become owners of large businesses. Just a few months ago, the Seminole Indian tribe here in Florida had enough money in the bank to purchase the entire Hard Rock franchise for $965 million in cash. That's not to say that there aren't many successful black men, but black culture here in the US is so obnoxious, so "we're better than you because you owe us something", it's got people pissed off.

In conclusion, belated apologies accomplish nothing for either side, and never will. The aggrieved party has gotten their Make A Wish fulfilled, and if they take that and be quiet, they won't get another dime from the government. So they'll keep making everyone feel guilty, the gov't will reciprocate, and the whole thing will go on until everyone forgets what it was about in the first place.
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#4355 - 02/20/08 12:43 AM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: ta2zz]
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Ta2zz, I don't know you from a bar of soap, but already you've taken everything out of context so as something my WO taught me during Boot Camp - Put up, or shut up.

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You seem to fear religious titles or think yourself above them


Damn straight I am above religious titles. Does that upset you?

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You babble about how your not Atheist, Satanist, etc. yet you fail to see that your belief in a supreme being labels you as a Theist… This is a religious title that covers your beliefs, whatever little nuisances you have worked into them…


Theism, Atheism, etc. are all titles. I labeled myself a Freemason - which is not a religious organisation and does not hold any form of doctrine. My belief in a Supreme Being (if you had actually bothered to read anything about Freemasonry before you spat-out this devoid brain-fart) you would notice that it is defined as each individual wishes to define it. That doesn't make me anything.

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In your introduction as in other posts you state that you are well versed in Satanic belief yet you feel no need to associate yourself with this title… You seem to be in denial that you are writing this on a Satanic forum… That act alone associates you with Satanism… Look at the banner above “Community of Satanism and the Occult”…


Have you ever actually walked out your front door?

"Title" & "Association" is what I said. Associating myself with a Satanic-orientated website does not mean I am associating myself with Satanic Doctrine or that I'm initiating myself to join a Satanic Organisation. Therefore, I am not associating myself with the title "Satanist" or anything of a religious Satanic title.

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You go on in your introduction about not using your real name due to previous experiences with spammers, etc… You go on to state that this has made you more mindful (fearful) about PERSEC when using such forums… I seriously doubt that you are a threat to homeland security, you are probably not as important as you think…


Do you know what OPSEC and PERSEC is? Seemings as you seem to lack brain capacity I'll spit it out for you:

OPSEC - Operation Security.
PERSEC - Personal Security.

OPSEC - Refrains me from conversing about Operations that I might have been involved with, or am currently involved with. This includes disclosing information about deployment dates, locations, units, etc.

PERSEC - Something I apply myself, but is recommended by the Military when using features such as the Internet. PERSEC means that I do not and/or cannot (it depends) disclose personal information about myself. This includes email addresses, phone numbers, addresses, etc.

Clearly your so-called "observations" are completely off the mark, and all you're doing is derailing a perfectly good debateable thread with your so-called "philosophical observations" which in turn, have proven nothing. Tell me, do you care to elaborate on my childhood as well? Perhaps I am also suffering from an illness that only a registered member on an Internet Forum can possibly cure for me seemings as he has the amazing ability to observe and resolve.

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B.T.W. As one who quotes, I ask… Is quoting a two or three sentence post directly above your reply doing anything other than wasting bandwidth and/or hard drive space?*


Again, don't take things out of context. Quoting a reply on the forum is fine. Why? Because if you post a post addressing someone (but is not indicated as such) then you look like a babbling fool. If you are address a certain user/post/thread then clearly it is in the best interests of everyone to post it by quoting and replying.
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#4359 - 02/20/08 04:57 AM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: DaVinci]
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 Originally Posted By: DaVinci

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You babble about how your not Atheist, Satanist, etc. yet you fail to see that your belief in a supreme being labels you as a Theist… This is a religious title that covers your beliefs, whatever little nuisances you have worked into them…


Theism, Atheism, etc. are all titles. I labeled myself a Freemason - which is not a religious organisation and does not hold any form of doctrine. My belief in a Supreme Being (if you had actually bothered to read anything about Freemasonry before you spat-out this devoid brain-fart) you would notice that it is defined as each individual wishes to define it. That doesn't make me anything.


"Theism is the belief in the existence of one or more divinities or deities. There is also a narrower sense in which theism refers to the belief that one or more divinities are immanent in the world, yet transcend it, along with the idea that divinity(s) is/are omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent." - Wikipedia

"the·ism /ˈθiɪzəm/ [thee-iz-uhm] –noun
1. The belief in one God as the creator and ruler of the universe, without rejection of revelation (distinguished from deism).
2. Belief in the existence of a god or gods (opposed to Atheism)." - Dictionary.com

You're a damn theist, deal with this fact as you will and stop lying to yourself.
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#4362 - 02/20/08 06:08 AM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: TornadoCreator]
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Supreme Being - does not mean God. Pay attention next time.
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#4363 - 02/20/08 08:39 AM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: DaVinci]
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If the term supreme being usually donates to some kind of God, what is a supreme being to you then?
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#4364 - 02/20/08 08:45 AM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: DaVinci]
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Sorry computer glitch

Edited by Sven (02/20/08 08:48 AM)
Edit Reason: Computer glitch
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#4372 - 02/20/08 12:54 PM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: DaVinci]
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 Originally Posted By: DaVinci
Supreme Being - does not mean God. Pay attention next time.


I was paying attention, I can't help it if you can't understand that God, Deity and Supreme Being are synonymous with eachother. I don't take kindly to the snide remarks from you. I was defending you and agreeing with you on many issues when you first came here and I find myself disliking you more and more because of your arrogance and rude mannerisms. You've changed considerably during your time here and you've become someone quite unpleasent.

Perhaps you should think before speaking because it may just turn out, like now, that you're wrong.

"The term Supreme Being is often defined simply as "God",[1] and it is used with this meaning by theologians of many religious faiths, including, but not limited to, Christianity,[2] Islam,[3] Hinduism,[4] and Deism.[5] However, the term can also refer to more complex or philosophical interpretations of the divine. Many fraternal organizations, especially those which admit members of diverse religious backgrounds (such as Freemasonry) use the term as a generic description, allowing the candidate to adhere to whichever deity or concept he holds to be appropriate." - Wikipedia

"Su·preme Being - (soo-prem')
noun.
God." - Free Online Dictonary

"Main Entry: Supreme Being
Function: noun
: GOD." - Merriam-Webster

"Supreme Being - Noun
* S: (n) God, Supreme Being (the supernatural being conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator and ruler of the universe; the object of worship in monotheistic religions)" - Priceton Dictionary

"Noun: Supreme Being
1. The supernatural being conceived as the perfect and omnipotent and omniscient originator and ruler of the universe; the object of worship in monotheistic religions
2. God" - WordWeb Dictionary.

Need I go on or are you ready to leave with your tail between your legs? Thank you everyone, this has been a memorable asswhooping.
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#4383 - 02/20/08 05:45 PM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: TornadoCreator]
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I don't mean this question in a 'rude' way, but do you always believe what is perceived on the Internet - especially Wikipedia? Freemasons define their Supreme Being as anything they wish. This is not limited to something portrayed as 'God' or any other form of deity.

As stated, it said "often defined" - that does not mean all the time, nor does that mean that all set individuals who believe in a Supreme being believe in the existance of/a God. All these Internet scally-wag tales of the bewildered that "show" you what the belief in a Supreme Being are more often than not incorrect and based souly on the individual/s creating said articles.

I'm not a "Theist" or any other form of belief. Those are labels created to categorise individuals. Even by being a Satanist one is labeling themselves and out-dragging their individualism; though this is not an attack on Satanism.

As for your opinion about me - that is, as always, respected and noted. However I haven't changed, nor have my beliefs and/or process of religious preference changed. Just because you defended me, doesn't mean we're "best buds" and that I'm automatically always going to agree with you. Your words of defending me are noted and certainly appreciated; but I won't hold-back on my opinions simply because we've been conversing coherently for the past few weeks.

As for being wrong, I beg the differ. Individualism is free-thought, I'm a free-thinker. If I wasn't, only then would I label myself a "Theist" and accept such a title. But until that day arises (which it won't) I won't label myself with such categories, nor will I ever accept a title created that out-drags individualism in its highest context.

You're a smart bloke, and I would never even consider discouraging that. Again, your defending arguments are appreciated, but that doesn't make us best mates nor will it stop me from having my say.
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#4385 - 02/20/08 05:46 PM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: Sven]
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Absolutely anything that I wish to define it as. It's certainly not a 'God' but that doesn't necessarily make it a deity either.
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#4404 - 02/20/08 11:19 PM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: DaVinci]
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As eloquent and resonable as your post was it doesn't alter the fact that in this case you are simply being closed minded. Accept when you're wrong and don't lie to the point of convincing yourself because you're only sullying your own mind.

When wikipedia said 'often defined simply as "God"', what was ment is often nothing but the word "God" is given as a definition. Similar to if you look up College in a phone book is says 'See "Schools"'. You are taking it out of context and you know it.

I have also found 4 other sources that give the same definition. Just face up to it and admit that you are wrong. You will gain more respect for doing so and you'll not sound like a teenager desperately trying to be an "individual" and in the process following the biggest fucking trend of the 21st century.
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#4408 - 02/20/08 11:34 PM Re: Stolen Generation [Re: TornadoCreator]
DaVinci Offline
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 Originally Posted By: TornadoCreator
As eloquent and resonable as your post was it doesn't alter the fact that in this case you are simply being closed minded. Accept when you're wrong and don't lie to the point of convincing yourself because you're only sullying your own mind.

When wikipedia said 'often defined simply as "God"', what was ment is often nothing but the word "God" is given as a definition. Similar to if you look up College in a phone book is says 'See "Schools"'. You are taking it out of context and you know it.

I have also found 4 other sources that give the same definition. Just face up to it and admit that you are wrong. You will gain more respect for doing so and you'll not sound like a teenager desperately trying to be an "individual" and in the process following the biggest fucking trend of the 21st century.


By your definition, and the definitions of others; I am wrong. However my definition suggests otherwise.

I'm not wrong, nor will I admit to being wrong. If others wish to view/define me as a teenager desperately seeking that trophy-title of "individualism" then so be it.
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