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#41851 - 08/12/10 11:20 AM Promethean Separatism
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An outlook intertwined, a sub-existant belief system I've shared. Hear me out, if you will.

Promethean Separatism:
A Separatist Outlook upon Ritual, Worship, and the "Church"

The times have drastically changed and are ever changing. It is through realization and self-reflection that we can take notice to how the world around us changes and how we are affected by it directly. The world around us is constantly warring and shifting in values and ethics and as a result, we war with ourselves internally, constantly questioning our beliefs and morals. The hypocrisies of modern day are ever present, more so than before. People sway and are swayed. These changes around us, I feel, have sparked a natural reaction in the opposite direction. I believe a movement has dawned in bold opposition to tradition of standards. I feel a disaffiliation of the herd mentality and their congregations rising within the self and then outward. The sheep is being slaughtered. I call this natural reaction, or disaffiliation “Promethean Separatism.” It is separatism from all religious notions and moral standards. It is absolute freedom.

There shall be no set religious rule or guideline that will hinder me from carnal satisfaction, and I will destroy every preconceived notion of religious degradation or limitation. For I was dead with “god” but now live free. I have arrived at this Separatist state. All mantles of religion and dogma I burn and dispose of from myself. I live as I see fit, for is not my own life worth living? I look upon the sheep and herd mentality as a metamorphosis from which I transfigured from, and careful to not regress. Know the self, limitations as well as strengths, for it is the Satanist’s strongest weapon along with logic and reason.

Let us examine some of the aspects of the “Church” in regard to Promethean Separatism, and in “Church” I am referring to all religious organizations built for congregating to worship. The English word "Church" is derived from the Greek "kuriake" meaning "that which belongs to the Lord." The New Testament Greek word for the church is "Ecclesia", meaning "an assembly of called-out ones". The word mosque is a translation of the Arabic word masjid (مَسجِد). The word masjid in Arabic comes from the verb sajada (سَجَدَ) which means “to prostrate.” Masjid is the place in which people prostrate. This can loosely be translated more generally as “a place of worship”. Those of us who have been raised with Church know some of the purposes of the Church are: to have a place of worship to god, to teach the gospel, to take the gospel to unreached territories, and of course it’s social contributions. Here again we see the Theist’s need for a savior and with it a need for an institution in which he can worship, and more often socialize. Man is a social animal after all. Churches are built as training camps of delusion for the delusional masses. Promethean Separatism is a complete disaffiliation and rejection of the stigma, “Church.” In this way Promethean Separatism could be seen as “word warfare,” rejection of use of certain words to bring about a change. Power of the written word proves useful indeed. As seen by the translation of the word mosque – “to prostrate” - Churches/Mosques are a useful tool to keep the herd in submission and in control.
To limit one’s beliefs to the confines of a “Church” it seems for the Theist, would be too easy. Not only do they feel an obligation to spread the gospel outside of their Church but also some would go so far as to kill non-believers. Again, a degree of delusion is fostered in religious organizations.

I have witnessed first hand these delusions bestowed upon certain individuals throughout my time. If a youth who’s parents are (mainly) fundamental Christian or Muslim, depart or rebel from his religious upbringing more often than not the youth would then be rejected/exiled/ignored by the family or worse, murdered as seen in recent Muslim families. I find it entirely preposterous for ANY set of belief system be utterly and unwillingly forced upon a person. Religion in modern day begins to paint a darkened picture that resembles terrorism. How delusional these modern day terrorists are. These religionists are completely useless to me and remain futile to any human development.

As stated above Promethean Separatism could be looked upon as “word warfare.” Rejection and substitution of certain words that would bring about a change, what ever that change may be. In this case that change would be the rejection of set moral codes/religious limitations. An example of this as seen above would reflect the word “Church.” The word “Church” is associated mostly with Christianity but can be applied to any set religion. The Promethean Separatist would reject all that is associated with “Church,” written or spoken. In it’s own way it is a philosophy. The Promethean Separatist is not limited in his separatism. Promethean Separatism can also be viewed as a sub-existing or sub-belief system concurrent with an already established belief system i.e., in this way a pagan could be a Promethean Separatist, a Satanist could be a Promethean Separatist, even a Christian could be a Promethean Separatist as it is the daringly original, boldly inventive separate outlook that goes with ones beliefs. It is a disaffiliation of the opposite, truly embodying the personification of the Adversary being Satan.

Worship in its modern context is subject to Promethean Separatism as well. Worship indicates insecurities such as fear and is degrading; furthermore it runs rampant within the context of the religionist. It must be concluded, therefore, that the Promethean Separatist does not engage in worship. A distinction should be made concerning Ceremony and a worship service. The Promethean Separatist undergoes and views his pagan pageantry as a celebration or deification of the flesh, the carnal, instead of a worship service. Naturally, this separatism gains momentum and revises and refines the entire concept of Ceremony, transcending the stereotypical view of ritual.

Ritual in regard to Promethean Separatism would retain its glamour and beauty. It would retain its allure and wonder and bring about that fantasy of which it was designed for. The climax and procession of emotion materialized into splendid reality.

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#41860 - 08/12/10 04:49 PM Re: Promethean Separatism [Re: Lamar]
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So, in a nutshell, it's just Satanism with a different name.


(Sorry for the one liner).....


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#41863 - 08/12/10 05:30 PM Re: Promethean Separatism [Re: Morgan]
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In a way yes, it is just like Satanism but termed Promethean Separatism as a shuning or disaffiliation of the opposite of one's beleif system. The two go hand in hand but are separte as Promethean Separatism is not a religion, more of a philosophy. An implement that is exclusive to Promethean Separatism, setting it apart is "word warfare." Rejection and substitution of certain words to bring about a change. As far as my recent knowledge there is no such thing in Satanism unless you would consider that a form of Lesser Magic.
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#41864 - 08/12/10 05:31 PM Re: Promethean Separatism [Re: Morgan]
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Lamar,

It seems to me like you have taken an element of Satanism, flipped it on it's head and turned it into some sort of hyper reactionary mandate.

I'm not seeing much of value here.
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#41866 - 08/12/10 05:54 PM Re: Promethean Separatism [Re: Dan_Dread]
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 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
Lamar,

It seems to me like you have taken an element of Satanism, flipped it on it's head and turned it into some sort of hyper reactionary mandate.

I'm not seeing much of value here.

The key point here is separatism, the daringly original and separate outlook of the world.

I'm sorry for not being able to fully convey my point here. I'll take leave from this topic for a while to gather my thoughts and points and will return to hopefully convey it better.

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#41867 - 08/12/10 05:59 PM Re: Promethean Separatism [Re: Lamar]
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 Originally Posted By: Lamar
 Originally Posted By: Dan_Dread
Lamar,

It seems to me like you have taken an element of Satanism, flipped it on it's head and turned it into some sort of hyper reactionary mandate.

I'm not seeing much of value here.

The key point here is separatism, the daringly original and separate outlook of the world.

I'm sorry for not being able to fully convey my point here. I'll take leave from this topic for a while to gather my thoughts and points and will return to hopefully convey it better.


Would you say that separation is a goal in itself or do you ever see value of being a part of something else as well? Does separation have positive a value in itself at all times or are there situations where being one among many wuld be beneficial as well?

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#41868 - 08/12/10 06:16 PM Re: Promethean Separatism [Re: TheInsane]
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Would separation in itself be a goal? Yes, the removal of oneself from the sheep masses and their implements i.e. dogma, "Churches," and their worship services.

Do I ever see value of being a part of something else as well? Yes, in a separatist veiw point. I am apart of the Separate.

"Does separation have positive value in itself at all times or are there situations where being one among many would be beneficial as well?" Certainly I think separation at all times is of value. In isolation I am one with my mind, free to think, free to separate.

In a sense Promethean Separatism is this essence: SEPARATE! -And be Separated in Promethean Light!

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#41870 - 08/12/10 06:47 PM Re: Promethean Separatism [Re: Lamar]
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I was more curious about the trap I've seen some Satanists fall into from time to time where the ideal of being separated from the the herd has become an ideal in itself that no matter what the herd says a stance is taken against it.

Some people let themselves be indirectly directed by what the herd stands for in that they always want no part of the herd no matter what they stand for.

In these cases you are really just as controlled by the masses just without the sense of community that they experience. This is also the problem of the supposed reverse christian satanists. They just turn Christianity on its head but are stillc aught in the paradigm of Christian belief. See what I mean?

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#41874 - 08/12/10 07:18 PM Re: Promethean Separatism [Re: TheInsane]
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 Originally Posted By: TheInsane
I was more curious about the trap I've seen some Satanists fall into from time to time where the ideal of being separated from the the herd has become an ideal in itself that no matter what the herd says a stance is taken against it.

Some people let themselves be indirectly directed by what the herd stands for in that they always want no part of the herd no matter what they stand for.

In these cases you are really just as controlled by the masses just without the sense of community that they experience. This is also the problem of the supposed reverse christian satanists. They just turn Christianity on its head but are stillc aught in the paradigm of Christian belief. See what I mean?

Don't get me wrong, this is no blind turning away. On the contrary. Just because the herd is doing a certain thing or proclaiming a certain thing is not the reasoning behind my separatism. By rejection of that which I oppose I encounter the introspective and retrospective darkness, in which I contemplate my associations and beliefs.

I am of my own free spirit taking direction under none without question, the essence of Belial - without a master. Though this is Satanism.

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#41876 - 08/12/10 07:28 PM Re: Promethean Separatism [Re: Lamar]
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You have a long.....long way to go, but at least you are actually thinking about stuff. That by default sets you ahead of most.

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Free advice - You might want to refrain from using flowery language and try to be more concise in how you post. Flowery quasi-poetry is like blood in the water around here.
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#41877 - 08/12/10 07:28 PM Re: Promethean Separatism [Re: Lamar]
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Your use of "Separatism" is interesting to me. Generally, when I think of Separatism, I think of groups like the Black Panthers or National Alliance; groups of people that want to live separate from other dissimilar groups of people. Are you wanting your own country or something?

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Would separation in itself be a goal? Yes, the removal of oneself from the sheep masses and their implements i.e. dogma, "Churches," and their worship services.


That is a pretty easy goal to reach. I reach anytime there is a religious service of any kind, anywhere, by not going.

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Do I ever see value of being a part of something else as well? Yes, in a separatist veiw point. I am apart of the Separate


How can you be a part of a group referred to as "the Separate"? I am assuming that you meant to type "a part" above instead of "apart"; the fact that you did illustrates my point rather nicely. Or maybe I am just nitpicking.

Really this seems like a rewording of Satanism with a new moniker.

An 'A' for effort, I suppose.
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#41890 - 08/13/10 07:54 AM Re: Promethean Separatism [Re: Lamar]
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How delusional these modern day terrorists are. These religionists are completely useless to me and remain futile to any human development.

The case of religion being useless and futile in any human development can be discussed and I will gladly take on the position of the devils advocate. But this wasn't really what was bothering me.
What came to mind when reading this paragraph is how easily it is overlooked you had the possibility of coming to know different religions and philosophical views. It is easy for you to claim you don't need any of the "most influential and well-known" religions since you have found another philosophy to relate to in the masses of hundreds and thousands of religions and philosophies you came to know and pick from. But that's only the case since you had the possibility to choose one out. Not everyone is in that same situation and I can easily think places on this world where the belief in only one religion is offered and where you cannot pick one out for the sole reason other philosophical views or religions are unknown of.

Religion adds towards human development if the religion is only used as a tool for maintaining order and as a tool to get people productive. (Just look at different documentaries or shows wherein religious groups help others to rebuild their homes after hurricanes, or when building churches). Religion itself can be a very productive tool on the condition that the religious leaders themselves are smart enough and know what they are doing. I would say that the best religious leader would be the one who is opposed to religion.

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As stated above Promethean Separatism could be looked upon as “word warfare.” Rejection and substitution of certain words that would bring about a change, what ever that change may be.

Unless you refer "word" as a general term for holy scriptures, I would think that the above statement is nothing more then "stopping to talk". Words are used for communication, but what is more important is taking action. Sometimes talking doesn't provide a good answer, sometimes it really is getting out of the armchair and smashing the face of the opponent so he/she would finally shut up.
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#41899 - 08/13/10 08:12 PM Re: Promethean Separatism [Re: Dimitri]
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"Unless you refer "word" as a general term for holy scriptures, I would think that the above statement is nothing more then "stopping to talk". Words are used for communication, but what is more important is taking action. Sometimes talking doesn't provide a good answer, sometimes it really is getting out of the armchair and smashing the face of the opponent so he/she would finally shut up."

In my use of word warfare it is not along the lines of stopping to talk. Here we are taking action by communication. The rejection or substitution of certain words for a change. An example would be: again I'll use the word church. This would be the rejection and substitution of church to bring about a change, moral codes/religious limitations etc. So in essence to the Promethean Separatist, rejecting "Church," his more acurate use of the term when applied to himself would be along the lines of "Temple." Follow me?

Temple would not be a form of "inverse christianity." Temple would represent more of the flesh and carnal.

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#41901 - 08/13/10 10:25 PM Re: Promethean Separatism [Re: Lamar]
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Like a Jewish Temple?



(sorry for the one liner)


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#41911 - 08/14/10 12:59 AM Re: Promethean Separatism [Re: Morgan]
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 Originally Posted By: Lamar
Would separation in itself be a goal? Yes, the removal of oneself from the sheep masses

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Don't get me wrong, this is no blind turning away. On the contrary. Just because the herd is doing a certain thing or proclaiming a certain thing is not the reasoning behind my separatism.


You get an F for consistency. It seems to me like you are exploring new ideas, but haven't quite got them worked out yet.

Maybe I can help. As I mentioned before, what you seem to have done here is taken an element of what Satanism is, that being the role of the adversary, and inverted the underlying philosophy. TheInsane was right when he said being contrary for it's own sake is as much being controlled as conforming with everything. It's the same damn thing.

One is not 'the adversary' because they are trying to rebel against society, one is the adversary because they open their eyes and see how fucked up everything is. Being Satan is recognizing that societies morality is a control device, and has little to do with our natural human feelings.


And as far as not using words being considered a form of 'warfare'..well..you might want to drop that one and find a new use for your catchy title.
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#41932 - 08/14/10 11:52 AM Re: Promethean Separatism [Re: Lamar]
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 Originally Posted By: Lamar

The key point here is separatism, the daringly original and separate outlook of the world.


I think most, who refer to themselves as Satanists for the right reasons, already have this covered. I know of no true Satanist who takes the easy road. Doubting and challenging and thinking and practicing requires work and study and an ever expanding understanding only leads to more work and more study.

The LHP is not the easy beaten path, it's actually an amalgamation of individual paths that I would certainly go so far as to call 'daringly original'.

In my view, you're applying your own label to an already known quantity.

As for being a separatist, *I* already know I am separate. I was born this way. I personally try to make sure that none of what you've chosen to call 'the herd' knows who or what I am. It benefits me to develop myself in private, as my income and status is dependent on their trust. Very few are the magicians/practitioners who can operate out from under the veil AND be successful.

Use your 'word wars' sparingly, is my advice or you will become a target and a pariah. Better to quietly evoke change, privately improve and let your product/ethic/whatever speak for itself.

Unless you like being a target, of course.
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