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#11086 - 08/28/08 12:54 PM Re: Books of the Left Hand Path [Re: napalm]
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What does some nonsense about Lovecraft's fiction have to do with LHP philosophy?

Go start your own damn thread.
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#11119 - 08/31/08 12:38 AM Re: Books of the Left Hand Path [Re: Fist]
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Unless you can find a genuine copy of the book in old latin, ancient greek or medieval arabic, then we all know that you're just pulling our leg (and your own). You will never find the words "Necronomicon", "Cthulhu", or "Azathoth" in ANY writings before the 1920's.

That said, I have read some fictional versions of the Necronomicon that were quite entertaining... particularly Tyson's. However, Simon's is the only one I would call "left hand" in any way, but the magic system is a bunch of nonsense he pulled out of his ass and threw in some references to ancient sumerian gods to sound authentic.
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#13490 - 10/26/08 08:03 PM Re: Books of the Left Hand Path [Re: Sinthesis]
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First I would like to thanks Fist for this good initiative. I'll probably read more and post less in the (near) future.

Thanks for guiding so well the newbies like me Fist ;\)

Wanting to add my little contribution, I recommend Michel Onfray's books.

Unfortunately, I don't think his books are already translated in English. But for those who can read French, I really think it's interresting reading.

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#13617 - 10/29/08 12:57 PM Re: Books of the Left Hand Path [Re: Fabiano]
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In Belgium, you should be able to find the original French copy of "On Power: The Natural History of Its Growth" by Bertrand de Jouvenel in the library.

I suspect you would enjoy it more in French. However, be warned, although Jouvenel is often portrayed historically as a liberal, his strong anti-govt writings may have been purged from most of the Socialist libraries of Europe.
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#13634 - 10/29/08 11:17 PM Re: Books of the Left Hand Path [Re: Fist]
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Thanks for the tips, I'll also look in 2nd hand bookstores.

I was looking for a French version of "Atlas Shrugged" but the existing one seems crapy. A new translation should be released in 2009...

I saw the Plato was mentionned above, I'm not sure but to me it's more on the RHP than on the LHP. His concept of "pure Good" is a good basis a "Good God" can be build on.
Am I wrong?

Finaly, a good book on time management looks to me a good support for avoiding to waste one's time.
It helps you defining your goal, building a plan to reach it, and discipline yourself to follow the plan.
Yes, Discipline! It's a way to obey to your own God (YOU!)



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#13647 - 10/30/08 09:22 AM Re: Books of the Left Hand Path [Re: Fabiano]
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Just a small add on to the Necronomicon thread. I have done some research of how using Lovecraft's mythos in an occult context have been used to explore alternative archetypes. This, from my readng, has yeilded some rather interesting results. This technique is also a way of experimenting with the magical theory that the validity of the historical value of a magical system is not nearly as important as the beleif in it for the purpose of ritual. This of course comes from the Chaos field which is often very LHP, and not for beginners. I know I'm not ready for tentacles on my alter!

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#13650 - 10/30/08 09:57 AM Re: Books of the Left Hand Path [Re: The AntiChris]
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Ok, clearly you cannot read.

The purpose of this thread is to provide the new practitioner a list of non-occult books that will better structure their thought processes for travelling the LHP.

If you want to discuss the merits of the Necronomicon then start your own damn thread. The last thing we need here are bootlickers and 'me-too' satanists.
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#13661 - 10/30/08 04:07 PM Re: Books of the Left Hand Path [Re: Fist]
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Sorry about straying off topic there. As for "literary Satanism":

Milton,John. Paradise Lost

(These two I know sound cliche but there still great works.)

Dante. The Inferno

I'll also add:

Parsons, John W. Freedom is a Two Edged Sword
(edited by) Hyatt, Christopher S. Ph.D Rebels and Devils The Psychology of Liberation
Spare A.O. Anathema of Zos
Crowley, Aleister. The World's Tragedy

I also think William S. Burroughs is worth mentioning as well as many publications by Disinformation.
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#17170 - 12/29/08 11:17 PM Re: Books of the Left Hand Path [Re: The AntiChris]
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As we slip into the New Aeon, I have seen a lot of interest here lately in 'race' and culture.

To wit:

Raymond B. Cattell's excellent work - Beyondism: Religion from Science.

It is pure rationalism. Honestly, you shouldn't even pretend to have an opinion on 'race' until you have read this book.

In your spare time, google "Raymond B. Cattell", you will find he is recognized as a first rate scientist and keen observer of man. His only crime was daring to challenge the scientific bona fides of his fellow social scientists.
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#17175 - 12/30/08 12:09 AM Re: Books of the Left Hand Path [Re: Fist]
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I have a soft spot in my heart for beyondism, however untenable it might be in practice. Meritocracy and social darwinism, as wonderful as they are, have a literal army of pop memetics lined up and ready to kick their ass should they ever come into the forefront.

I mirror his opinions on eugenics, though. In fact it might have been one of his works that convinced me, it has been a LONNNNG time since I have seen that name come up :P
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#17197 - 12/30/08 12:23 PM Re: Books of the Left Hand Path [Re: Dan_Dread]
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*reads about Beyondism*

HOLY CRAP I JUST SHAT BRICKS!

Really, the concept of deifying genetics and evolution is quite thought-provoking. If it weren't for the Nazi association with eugenics, this could probably have caught on with the masses.

Of course it all seems very pie-in-the-sky... but then again I could imagine something like this arising in the distant future.
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#17198 - 12/30/08 03:18 PM Re: Books of the Left Hand Path [Re: The Zebu]
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Really, Beyondism was Cattell's appeal to his fellow academics in the social sciences. He viewed many of the ideas in Psychology and Sociology to be little more than 'Revealed Knowledge' that were never exposed to the rigors of the scientific method.

However, these same ideas have become part of the popular culture through the mechanism of pop-psychology.

Personally, I would avoid cursorily reading reviews and precis of Beyondism. Dive directly into Cattell and get the goods from the source. Most people do not understand Beyondism. Every summation of the work that I have seen is colored by the biases of the writer.
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#17199 - 12/30/08 03:34 PM Re: Books of the Left Hand Path [Re: Fist]
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Well, in that case fist.
Any books/papers/essays you recommend from this person about this certain subject?
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#17202 - 12/30/08 04:33 PM Re: Books of the Left Hand Path [Re: Fist]
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I've been reading through some of his works, which I could track online and I admit, some of his ideas are nice -but not that original- but at the same time, I do find him a puritan idealistic little bitch at other levels. There is this general rule that if you want to know what someone is all about, look what he has to say about sex.

I've been dabbling into idealistic solutions ranging from leftish to right for certain abstract problems in the past but there is a point that one has to conclude that idealism equals crap in all cases, including beyondism.

D.

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#17204 - 12/30/08 04:47 PM Re: Books of the Left Hand Path [Re: Dimitri]
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 Originally Posted By: Dimitri
Well, in that case fist.
Any books/papers/essays you recommend from this person about this certain subject?


You really have a hard time following along with discussions don't you?
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