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#42096 - 08/20/10 01:07 AM Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs
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I just received word that another of my research papers is being published. It concerns "Isolation and Alternative Religious Beliefs". My research paper uses the Peoples Temple (Jonestown) as its foundation, and makes reference to Synanon (USA) and Compania Dignidad (Chile). The main topic is the effect of isolation on individuals and groups having alternative belief systems.

I would love to hear the experiences of members who may have experienced "isolation", either emotional or physical, because of their belief system, either individually or as a group? Your experience may be Satanic or as part of another alternative belief system.

Please feel free to relate your experiences of isolation, and please respect the privacy, the beliefs, and life experiences of others.

I look to an interesting discussion.

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#42105 - 08/20/10 10:50 AM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: creativevalue]
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My own path is one of embracing isolation.

In fact, I'd be tempted to say that anyone who follows the LHP for the right reasons does so specifically because such an action involves developing the individual in a solitary setting.

Satanism, in and of itself, is an anomaly (a third side) because its ranks include fierce individualists who sometimes choose to group together. Some do this because they aren't sure they actually are Satanists and so are seeking validation from those who they think fit the bill. Others do it to simply bat the ball around with a like minded few because actual Satanists are a rarity.

With regard to Satanism I believe the effects of isolation will be beneficial to those who are built for it, or for those with the fortitude and discipline to forge on into the darkness.

Long story short, isolation is something that is treasured and most welcomed by me.

Also, you spelled 'religious' wrong in your title. \:\)
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#42106 - 08/20/10 12:00 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: Fnord]
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It's a wise man (or woman) who early on learns the value of isolation. If you can count your friends on one hand, it's a crowd.
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#42108 - 08/20/10 12:51 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: creativevalue]
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 Originally Posted By: creativevalue
The main topic is the effect of isolation on individuals and groups having alternative belief systems.


It sounds interesting, I look forward to reading it.

Do you venture into purposeful or enforced isolation as part of plan for behavioral modification? How about pros and cons of individuals in total isolation? Does your research lead you to any conclusions (or speculations) that you'd care to share here in advance of publication?
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#42136 - 08/20/10 11:00 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: Fnord]
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Thank you for correcting my spelling of Religious in the title, I did not see that.

Interesting that you mentioned the formation of groups by those who are isolated from society. This is called "concentration" and it happens within groups of individuals who are socially or economically isolated. Concentration is the reason for the formation of urban ghettos which are usually formed by groups of people who have been socially and economically isolated. Recent studies have shown the cause of isolation to be social and economic, not race, although certain ethnic groups such as blacks (African-Americans) are more susceptible to this form of concentrated isolation.

As you state concentration also effects those who may be isolated because of their belief system. I agree with you and have seen this multiple times, I think we all have seen this, with various and diverse alternative religious movements. Isolated people form their own groups with their own value systems for support and survival.

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#42137 - 08/20/10 11:08 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: Jake999]
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Hi Jake, It is important to take time alone to know oneself, and to examine one's inner conscious. It is also important to know one's friends and be able to stand on one's own feet. However, being part of society helps with the transferance of ideas and values that prevent dangerous behavior. When a group or individual becomes "over-isolated" they lose focus and will develop new values that may be extreme or dangerous. Society plays an important role in preventing harmful behavior (such as suicide, drug-addiction, or sexual abuse).

Yes, it is wise to know one must make their own way in the world through their own actions and that good friends are hard to find.

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#42139 - 08/20/10 11:26 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: Autodidact]
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Studies have shown that "conversion" of beliefs through peer pressure and emotional persuasion is much more effective than forced conversion. The Chinese method of brainwashing was done through persuasion of ideas, "conversion", and peer pressure to voluntarily change the beliefs of the person through "evangelization". The Russian form of brainwashing was done through enforced isolation. Studies show the Chinese form of voluntary belief persuasion to be much more effective.

Total isolation can lead to emotional, physical, and psychosocial health mortality. (Remember we are speaking of unnatural isolation from society.)

More research needs to be done on the negative effects of social relationships, especially those that people can not avoid as by blood (family) or law (marriage). People tend to avoid negative relationships thus most research has been done on positive relationships.

The Three related hypothesis from Brummet's studies are as follows:
1. Isolation causes anxiety and stress leading to emotional and physiological morbidity.
2. Social relationships beneficially effect health as they are supportive and exert social control that promotes health such as sleep, diet, exercise, and discourage alcoholism, drug addiction, and other abusive behavior.
3. Social ties link people with diffuse social networks that facilitate access to a wide range of supportive networks.

When the editors are completed with the article I may be able to post some excerpts.

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#42140 - 08/20/10 11:33 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: creativevalue]
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"However, being part of society helps with the transferance of ideas and values that prevent dangerous behavior"

Define dangerous behavior.

"When a group or individual becomes "over-isolated" they lose focus and will develop new values that may be extreme or dangerous"

Define your view on new values that may be developed and why you view them as extreme or dangerous

"Society plays an important role in preventing harmful behavior (such as suicide, drug-addiction, or sexual abuse)."

Who's society? Not the current one. Or are you fishing for some people to join your group so that they may become part of your perfect society?

You use the name MorningStar to sign your posts, so according to your site you view yourself as the new/next lord of all being both the jesus and satan contained within you?

Morgan
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#42144 - 08/21/10 12:23 AM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: Morgan]
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Hi Morgan,

Good to meet you.

If we consider societal norms as "neutral-whatever it is" a group that has become isolated will form its own values and norms that are different from societal "norms" whatever they may have been. The reason is that in isolation the isolated group loses its "focus" on the norms of society and forms its own values, whatever those values may be.

Next question, If we look at the term "dangerous" the behaviors described were all physiological or physical actions suicide, drug-addiction, and sexual abuse are basically physical effects. I thought a little about why? It is likely because researchers are looking for quantifiable data to develop answers and they are looking at physiological effects rather than emotional causes. I think it is good to look deeper. They are definitely basing it on the norms of mainline society.

Could there be a culture within society that accepts suicide as good? Heaven's Gate did, and it is the only known mass suicide in which every member voluntarily took their own life. This is a great example of a group that formed its own values outside of mainstream society.

As for me being the Lord or Satan! I hope it is just symbolic, I never thought about it, but what would I do if I really am??? That would be a really big change in lifestyle! Please do enjoy our website, we have built and pay for it ourselves, and are constantly working on it, for the benefit of all.

PS: My name is Edward.

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#42145 - 08/21/10 12:49 AM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: creativevalue]
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Hi Edward,

"However, being part of society helps with the transferance of ideas and values that prevent dangerous behavior"

So what do you and your group view as dangerous behaviors?


"When a group or individual becomes "over-isolated" they lose focus and will develop new values that may be extreme or dangerous"

then

"The reason is that in isolation the isolated group loses its "focus" on the norms of society and forms its own values, whatever those values may be."

So you seem to be back tracking, from the values being dangerous to being whatever/non dangerous?

Your next writings don't really address my question in regards to your statement below.

"Society plays an important role in preventing harmful behavior (such as suicide, drug-addiction, or sexual abuse)."

Who's society? Not the current one, maybe part of your perfect society group?

"As for me being the Lord or Satan! I hope it is just symbolic, I never thought about it, but what would I do if I really am???"

How can you claim to choose a new name, not your birth name and state you never thought about what it meant? Especially since you use it on your website and in your writings. You are responsible for the choices you make, your own name that you use and are recognized by is not something to take lightly. Especially a name with such a history and connotations. Then hopefully in jest wonder if you are? You don't come across as sane or well thought out.

Well, enjoy your time here. I hope you find some new knowledge that helps you in your journey.

Morgan
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#42152 - 08/21/10 03:58 AM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: Morgan]
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Hi Morgan,

You have raised a lot of very good questions. Let's answer them one at a time to make it easier for me.

Remember you are an experienced writer on these messages, I am still learning.

The first question, was trying to write in a neutral manner to make it easier for everyone to understand.

By group I mean groups of individuals, not my group, or any group in particular, but rather any group of people who have been isolated by society.

I agree with your point about "what is normal". For example, talented people are often seen as not being normal despite their talent and are very often isolated. Yet, they are making a sacrifice by using their talents to help others to live.

I know what the name means. But another issue now becomes important, the name is a also a title, that will some day pass to another.

It is late and I am going to sleep, good night!

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#42156 - 08/21/10 04:39 AM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: creativevalue]
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Let's get directly to the point where it becomes interesting.

After a quick check of your religion it is plain evident what we promote doesn't really jibe well with what you promote.

We aren't really into good deeds or kindness. Some of us promote culling or the removal of certain people out of the gene-pool. Idolatry isn't a strange concept to us, even if in most cases we are the idol. Neither is blasphemy. We don't care about the Sabbath, about family purity or restrictive sex. We don't mind having sex before, after and if it was possible, during childbirth. We might agree on incest however.

Still, considering we are opposites at so many levels, what actually leads you into the lair of your enemy?

D.

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#42166 - 08/21/10 12:51 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: Diavolo]
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Why are you talking of my group? That topic is unrelated to the subject at hand. You must read past the first two paragraphs of our website. You speak of "we", please speak only for yourself, you may be surprised who belongs to my group.

Very briefly not to go off topic. We do not believe in sexism. We are bringing the realization of Lucifera as Goddess and her rule in the age of Capricorn (the maiden goat) to the world. The restoration of the Dryad, the rule of the Goddess, and the Priestess over all things spiritual. In doing that we accommodate all cultures without sexism or discrimination. Read the beautiful stories of how Lucifer came to earth, and how Diana Lucifera gave birth to the stars. Read the Gnostic Witch Bible, and other sources. You will like the psalms of ONA on the music page. This accommodates the Mistress of the Earth in all ceremonies. I am eventually going to post the Medieval Satanic Bible as that will be an interesting read. I am also considering the Book of Wisdom. I must also add the story of Lillith. We must maintain balance.

You can eat all the unhealthy food and have all the unclean sex you want, if that is what "floats your boat", be my guest.

Oh, by the way, we are one of the few groups who still believes in Celestial Marriage (legal polygamy).

Now back to the main topic and enough of my group. That is an individual matter and we do not want to proseletize.

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#42167 - 08/21/10 12:58 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: creativevalue]
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Considering the fact that you seem to be the head of the group, I was rather curious, about, for someone that represents such an opposite view, what attracted them to a place like this. You should not seek any hostility behind it, I welcome any civilized debate, no matter how conflicting my own views, as long as it is productive.

D.

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#42168 - 08/21/10 01:05 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: creativevalue]
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You speak of "we", please speak only for yourself, you may be surprised who belongs to my group.

First comment: instead of giving an educational tick on the fingers about the use of "we" for reference you'd better reread your own responses where youself use this plural quite too often.

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We are bringing the realization of Lucifera as Goddess and her rule in the age of Capricorn (the maiden goat) to the world. The restoration of the Dryad, the rule of the Goddess, and the Priestess over all things spiritual. In doing that we accommodate all cultures without sexism or discrimination. Read the beautiful stories of how Lucifer came to earth, and how Diana Lucifera gave birth to the stars. Read the Gnostic Witch Bible, and other sources. You will like the psalms of ONA on the music page. This accommodates the Mistress of the Earth in all ceremonies. I am eventually going to post the Medieval Satanic Bible as that will be an interesting read. I am also considering the Book of Wisdom. I must also add the story of Lillith. We must maintain balance.

The story of Lilith is a quite well-known one and an easy search on google is sufficient to retrieve it. You may send the Medieval Satanic Bible this way, I'm quite a fan of fiction. Same counts for the book of wisdom altough my suspiscion lets me belief it will be more "the book of woo-ish beliefs".

To take a short-cut, you are a believer of metaphysics. Considering the fictive works you mentioned and the obvious reference to spiritual BS.

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Oh, by the way, we are one of the few groups who still believes in Celestial Marriage (legal polygamy).

I am a believer of celestial organic sex (legal rapture).

I would also like to ask to answer on questions and not kicking around giving vague and non-related answers. It's annoying and only shows a level of ignorance. Now to get to your first questions.

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Please feel free to relate your experiences of isolation, and please respect the privacy, the beliefs, and life experiences of others.

What is considered isolation? Unless a person is locked up in jail for his religious beliefs for his entire life, having no contact with any person by any means possible I don't see any isolation happening.
I even find it a quite retarded question to ask in a forum like this one. "What are your experiences of isolation" isn't that of an intelligent question to make in a place where like-minded people gather and share their knowledge and ideas. Perhaps asking that question or writing that down in a letter towards a prisoner in solitary confinement would have given better and more interesting results.

While I may walk alone with my beliefs outside virtual reality I am not the least isolated. My religious beliefs are of my own and are not a burden if the time and knowledge is being taken/used to explain the points of view. And I think that any remotly intelligent person living in a religious belt would prefer to lie about his/her contradictory beliefs to avoid social pressure then to cry his ideas into the open world. And if he or she does so, then the punishment is desereved.


Edited by Dimitri (08/21/10 01:15 PM)
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#42170 - 08/21/10 01:11 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: creativevalue]
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As you might by now have gathered, Edward, there is no danger of you successfully proselytizing in this place, so please feel free to answer questions on your group. It does not seem unlikely to me that you have come here to milk members of this website for information on your paper about isolation. I am not condemning this behaviour, as such, but a little honesty might go a long way at this point.
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#42171 - 08/21/10 01:11 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: Diavolo]
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I understand, your questions are fabulous. Please feel free.

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#42172 - 08/21/10 01:14 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: Dedalus]
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Paper is already done and being edited. Believe it or not we are not great writers, just have a lot of knowledge, the editors straighten out our writing errors. I am an even worse poet.

I am always looking for information for my website.

E.

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#42173 - 08/21/10 01:20 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: creativevalue]
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I am glad you have finished your paper, it sounds genuinely interesting. If the editors dont have a problem with you sharing it, maybe we'll see it some time. To reiterate what Morgan has asked you, what would someone like you consider to be dangerous/extreme bahaviour in a society? Are you referring to society at large or members of your organization? I, too, am curious as to why it is that you referred to yourself as Morning Star earlier on in the thread. Is this a title you have adopted in your group?
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#42174 - 08/21/10 01:21 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: Diavolo]
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I understand your questions are fabulous.

E.
This isn't cute. Quit it. Either make with an answer or don't respond.


Edited by SkaffenAmtiskaw (08/21/10 02:46 PM)
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#42175 - 08/21/10 01:30 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: Dedalus]
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When it is released I will share it.

The purpose of this paper published publicly is to use research from the perspective of mainstream society. That is how scientisits refer to the physiological and emotional behavior that may result from extreme isolation, such as happened at Jonestown. It would be quite interesting to take the opposite perspective, and I have done so on certain issues in previous research. But I want this paper to be accepted by mainstream for resume purposes.

Morning Star is an old pen-name I used, but I am finding another as it is also title, and brings too much emotion as such.

E.

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#42176 - 08/21/10 01:30 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: creativevalue]
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I don't understand your response, Edward. Are you saying that the questions are literally fabulous, and not worth answering? "Fabulous" strikes me as an inappropriate word to use here. Or perhaps you are simply refusing to answer them by repeating the last thing you posted. This seems unreasonable. I did not mean to pry into what may well be a private matter for you, but if you are not willing to engage in what I hope was, up until now, a civil and coherent discussion, perhaps you should seek your information elsewhere.
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#42177 - 08/21/10 01:31 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: Dedalus]
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Was a mistype, you are ahead of me.

E.

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#42178 - 08/21/10 01:34 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: creativevalue]
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Forgive my initial response to your earlier, less coherent post. This conversation is nevertheless going nowhere, and my time could be better spent. Interesting to talk you, creativevalue.
Goodbye.
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#42180 - 08/21/10 01:36 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: Dimitri]
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If I can find the medeival Satan's Bible I will post it on my website. It is a very large book that would be the only way.

E.

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#42181 - 08/21/10 01:38 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: Dimitri]
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Will post the medieval Satanic Bible if I can find it on internet. It is a very long book so must be posted on my website.

E.

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#42184 - 08/21/10 02:33 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: creativevalue]
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Really come on.....

The Codex Gigas (English: Giant Book) is the largest extant medieval manuscript in the world.[1] It is also known as the Devil's Bible because of a large illustration of the devil on the inside and the legend surrounding its creation. It is thought to have been created in the early 13th century in the Benedictine monastery of Podlažice in Bohemia (modern Czech Republic). It contains the Vulgate Bible as well as many historical documents all written in Latin. During the Thirty Years' War in 1648, the entire collection was taken by the Swedish army as plunder, and now it is preserved at the National Library of Sweden in Stockholm.[1]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Codex_Gigas

Apparently, Edward doesn't know how to use google.

This book was also featured on the history channel as I remember channel surfing and landing on it. Apparently, it was figured out that the reason why the picture of the Devil is so much darker than the rest of the book is because it was exposed to light more often. Meaning people/monks/etc, just had to open the book and look at the picture of the Devil more often than any of the other texts found in the compilation.

Once a group claims to include everyone, and everyone is equal unless you are a bleeding woman, it is no longer equal. I find it sad and somehow amusing how you claim all theses ties to historical female type texts, yet think a womans' body can be unclean. If anything the blood is full power showing how powerful a woman can be in creating the world. You are born in blood, conceived in blood, and most likely will die in blood. Not really that ironic that a man leads such a group. The fear of the individual power of woman shows through no matter how many "historical" women you claim in your history/religion.

Limiting food, sex, contact, history, refusing to answer questions, and roundabout answers are all classic cult-like behaviors. Not surprised given your supposed knowledge about Jones Town.

Yes, you did come here looking for new members in a roundabout way.

Morgan
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#42186 - 08/21/10 03:00 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: creativevalue]
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All the isolation I have experiences was self imposed. I like my solitude. I've never been one to need to surround myself with large groups of people.

As for being isolated because of my beliefs:Meh - so I missed out on some church youth group trips Bullwinkle's Arcade, not a big deal.

Some people need to be isolated because they don't play well with others.

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please respect the privacy, the beliefs, and life experiences of others.


LOL!

You no doubt added that last bit because you knew people eventually would take a look at your website and all the crazy shit your group believes. After a cursory glance at it I can tell you that so far neither yourself or your group is worthy of any respect.


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#42187 - 08/21/10 03:05 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: Morgan]
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Yes Morgan,

Thank you for your help.

I have posted the Codex Gigas-Devil's Bible in Manuscript photo form and in video form. I am also posting the Book of Mysteries, and the Story of Lilith inside the Book of the Maiden of Light.

I have also added some of the Ancient Stories and mysticism of Lilith in the Learning Material section:videos and websites.

I am trying to achieve greater balance in posting great religious works on the website.

Thank you for your suggestions.

PS; My posts are coming out in weird places so wherever this is posted, thank you.

E.

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#43834 - 10/26/10 04:17 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: Dimitri]
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I have to disagree wholeheartedly about isolation because it can give you a false sense of not only the world around you but most importantly your own self! It is true that one needs time alone to study, practice,play and talk to ones inner self but too much time alone brings on much emotional problems that could become clinically catastrophic in some cases! Isolation again is by far a different idealogy than getting to know ones self, whether it be for selfish things or to conquer great ideas! Again isolation would maybe be o.k. in a controlled environment only like war, jail or on a space shuttle cause at that point you have no choice but to tie them balls,man up and get ready to be unleashed with much info, and understandings of the self! If the world could be conquered in isolation, hitler would still be alive and ruler like cessation or CLEO!
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#43836 - 10/26/10 08:51 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: RollinStalker]
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I agree with you, there may be a misread of something someplace. I posted my new article on Peoples Temple in the other post. Look down the article list for New Article on Peoples Temple. You will see we both agree with the same concepts. It is easy to misinterpret when blogging, because you can not see the emotions or get additional information, so please feel comfortable what you have said is sound concept and principle.

My Best,
E.


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#43837 - 10/26/10 09:49 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: creativevalue]
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As far as isolation being looked at as dangerous becouse of mass suicides etc., people are gullible. I prefer isolation to group activities because of todays society. Society is programed. I find my best moments in solitude.
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#43867 - 10/27/10 10:58 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: Lamar]
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well you see there is a difference from wanting to not participate in activities one finds boring or of no interest, but what we are talking about here is what hermits of many religions have done for thousands of years! going to live in complete isolation in the woods for 20-50 years until one dies, sometimes even forgetting how to speak because one is so isolated ! so maybe your ideas of isolation are different , but for me Staretz of russia always lived this way in isolation , complete silence and away from the world
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#43869 - 10/27/10 11:17 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: RollinStalker]
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In one aspect, silence away from the rest of the world sounds like a plus. A total environment of one's liking would abound, I would even go so far as to say also that artificial human companions would most likely prevail. Personally, I am not the type that would be a complete hermit obviously. But, I would not knock anyone who is.
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#43880 - 10/28/10 11:20 AM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: Lamar]
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 Originally Posted By: Lamar
In one aspect, silence away from the rest of the world sounds like a plus. A total environment of one's liking would abound, I would even go so far as to say also that artificial human companions would most likely prevail. Personally, I am not the type that would be a complete hermit obviously. But, I would not knock anyone who is.


There's a lot of value in silence, especially nowadays - I don't know about you, but I have a hard time finding time *away* from people and TV and noise ... I enjoy the silence when I can get it. My favorite is a scotch and cigar on the back porch a Fall night (after the crickets and tree frogs stop).

Artificial human companions are one of the traditional CoS goals, if I recall correctly - I think they push realdoll dot com. Nice, but they won't fetch me my slippers yet ...

The total environment concept seems nice as a getaway or relaxation, but I can't imagine spending too much time there. Unless the artificial humans are indistinguishable from real humans, in which case you might as well hang out with real humans ...
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#43885 - 10/28/10 04:57 PM Re: Isolation and Alternative Religous Beliefs [Re: Autodidact]
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It's quite easy for me to find the time to "escape" these days. No job, car is paid off, and waiting for college to start in January. For about two more months I have all sorts of time for myself. Which I very much like.

About artificial human companions, actually, I was reading an article in one of my grandmothers magazines about robots. The author predicted that within two years time that "servant robots" may become non fiction. I am all for artificial human companions but robots to me seems a little bit too typical or forseeable. Like scientists are only looking to movies for ideas.

If I had it my way with enough cash, I would have a total environment set aside for me that I could enter into just to escape or let my creativity outward. Such as a certain chamber filled with drums and percussion, a complete surround sound stereo, crazy lights, and a place to sit and relax in darkness or dim light listening to music of my enjoyment. Now that to me is an evening well spent.

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